Agreed, but even with fewer cars, having the remaining ones be electric is much better. Quieter (at low speeds) and no fumes
Nacktmull@lemmy.world
on 26 Feb 2024 08:43
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Agreed, I have no objections to that.
Jrockwar@feddit.uk
on 25 Feb 2024 21:44
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So there’s no point in improving technology then? Shall we just go for highly polluting SUVs, just fewer of them?
Nacktmull@lemmy.world
on 26 Feb 2024 08:30
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That sounds like a strawman argument tbh. I didn’t say anything along those lines. I in fact agree that electric cars are better, just like smaller cars are better too but the basic problem, that they are cars, always remains. What improves cities the most is reducing the number of cars and rededicating streets and parking lots to sidewalks, bike paths, gardens and public parks.
Well that’s the point I was making with my comment. “We don’t need different cars” is just the wrong statement. We need to redesign our cities from the ground up to be planned around people, not cars. But that is going to take a good 50 years, assuming a decent amount of effort goes into it. We don’t have 50 years. We need better cars in the meantime, not just to ignore the problem they are until we reach the year-2100 utopia where everyone can travel in bicycles and hoverboards.
wewbull@feddit.uk
on 25 Feb 2024 23:18
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Why not both?
Nacktmull@lemmy.world
on 26 Feb 2024 08:41
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I in fact agree with both, but imo reducing the number of cars is the top priority.
spyd3r@sh.itjust.works
on 25 Feb 2024 23:36
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No, we need less urban environment. High density cities are a cancer on the earth.
Nacktmull@lemmy.world
on 26 Feb 2024 08:39
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With the human population there is in the world today, I am afraid high density cities are necessary. Space is limited, without cities suburbia and villages would cover every square meter of land and there would be no space for the little nature that is still left.
Binthinkin@kbin.social
on 25 Feb 2024 15:58
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Bullshit. It’s just a lifeline to the auto industry. Fuck cars.
Before cars were common, despite bicycles, trams, and trains all existing for a long time, our cities were filled with horses. Horses have this habit of shitting everywhere, and cars were welcomed because they made the cities cleaner and less disease ridden.
The horses filled a need that other things could not. Cars then filled that need. That needs still exists today, like it or not. It’s best we make them as clean as we can.
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
on 26 Feb 2024 01:38
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In urban environments we don´t need different cars, we need less cars.
Agreed, but even with fewer cars, having the remaining ones be electric is much better. Quieter (at low speeds) and no fumes
Agreed, I have no objections to that.
So there’s no point in improving technology then? Shall we just go for highly polluting SUVs, just fewer of them?
That sounds like a strawman argument tbh. I didn’t say anything along those lines. I in fact agree that electric cars are better, just like smaller cars are better too but the basic problem, that they are cars, always remains. What improves cities the most is reducing the number of cars and rededicating streets and parking lots to sidewalks, bike paths, gardens and public parks.
Well that’s the point I was making with my comment. “We don’t need different cars” is just the wrong statement. We need to redesign our cities from the ground up to be planned around people, not cars. But that is going to take a good 50 years, assuming a decent amount of effort goes into it. We don’t have 50 years. We need better cars in the meantime, not just to ignore the problem they are until we reach the year-2100 utopia where everyone can travel in bicycles and hoverboards.
Why not both?
I in fact agree with both, but imo reducing the number of cars is the top priority.
No, we need less urban environment. High density cities are a cancer on the earth.
With the human population there is in the world today, I am afraid high density cities are necessary. Space is limited, without cities suburbia and villages would cover every square meter of land and there would be no space for the little nature that is still left.
Bullshit. It’s just a lifeline to the auto industry. Fuck cars.
Before cars were common, despite bicycles, trams, and trains all existing for a long time, our cities were filled with horses. Horses have this habit of shitting everywhere, and cars were welcomed because they made the cities cleaner and less disease ridden.
The horses filled a need that other things could not. Cars then filled that need. That needs still exists today, like it or not. It’s best we make them as clean as we can.
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