He might be going to the White House in the future.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Sep 2024 23:54
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The measure, aimed at reducing potential risks created by AI, would have required companies to test their models and publicly disclose their safety protocols to prevent the models from being manipulated to, for example, wipe out the state’s electric grid or help build chemical weapons.
How exactly do LLMs do that? If you’ve given an LLM’s pseudorandom output control over your electrical grid, no regulation will mitigate your stupidity.
I think it’s more about asking it the steps to create a bomb or how to disrupt the grid, for example, where to cut the major edges.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Sep 2024 00:42
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asking it the steps to create a bomb
That sounds like a self-correcting issue right there
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
on 30 Sep 2024 02:00
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That, and the Internet has been teaching people how to create bombs since the dial-up days. I don’t predict that LLM’s will be either a benefit or a detriment to that particular strain of natural selection.
vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de
on 30 Sep 2024 13:20
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I think I heard about it before, but instead of having to remember that, I could just ask an uncensored LLM.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Sep 2024 10:40
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The actual point was, bomb making instructions have been floating around on search engine results since the days of dial up. That particular manuscript itself has existed since before the days of the Internet. There’s nothing cgpt could give you that you couldn’t have found by typing the same query into Google. Getting the instructions is literally the easiest, least effort, least risk part of building a bomb.
bamfic@lemmy.world
on 30 Sep 2024 00:38
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Could he understand the halting problem? I doubt he does, but the legislators evidently don’t either
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 30 Sep 2024 01:04
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How exactly do LLMs do that?
If you hook an LLM up as an interface replacement for a manual/analog Power Plant interface and start asking the translator to intuit decisions based on fuzzy inputs, you can create a cascade of errors that result in grid failure.
If you’ve given an LLM’s pseudorandom output control over your electrical grid, no regulation will mitigate your stupidity.
This rule would prevent a business or public regulator from doing such a thing without proving out safeguards.
And the governor vetoed it.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world
on 29 Sep 2024 23:59
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Good.
All this bill would have done is given OpenAI/Anthropic and such an effective monopoly (and probably destroy the planet with their insane scaling schemes) by destroying the open model ecosystem. I think fediverse vs. corporate social media is a good analogy, and this is kinda like sniping the Fediverse because it’s “too dangerous” if it gets too big, without actually being specific on how to deal with that, but actually sniping it because its a competitive threat.
And yes, OpenAI opposed this, but that was lip service. Don’t believe a word that comes out of Altman’s mouth.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world
on 30 Sep 2024 00:01
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Newsom on Sunday instead announced that the state will partner with several industry experts, including AI pioneer Fei-Fei Li, to develop guardrails around powerful AI models.
That’s reassuring—Li is one of the best-qualified people for the role, and she isn’t in the pocket of any of the major players.
xia@lemmy.sdf.org
on 30 Sep 2024 00:04
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Great, now we’ll have separate “california-model” ai-models, like cars.
That… this doesn’t change anything, because he vetoed it, so it’s not a requirement for anyone?
not_that_guy05@lemmy.world
on 30 Sep 2024 00:46
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What I mean is we tend to set the trend here. Maybe this isn’t the right one yet. People were complaining about California (and I still do) about their emission regulations, but yet states are adopting the policy as it was the right choice. Inland empire doesn’t have a smog warning of the day saying if you can go outside or if it’s hazardous.
California tends to lead the nation in laws that help the environment and citizens even if we think they fuckin blow. (10 round magazine, really?)
Even if did pass, I’m not sure why you’d think they’d have CA models, because as far as I’m aware they don’t do that for cars.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world
on 30 Sep 2024 02:14
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Manufacturers absolutely do make only-for-sale-in-California-variant cars. Motorcycles, also. They’re not as common as they used to be because emissions laws elsewhere are also starting to become as stringent as the CARB rules these days as well, so it’s becoming more cost effective to just make everything the “California version.”
Throughout the early 2000’s, the distinction was much more relevant. The last vehicle I had to work on that I know for a fact to be a “California version” was a 2014 KLR650. It has additional (unreliable…) emissions control equipment that is not present on otherwise identical bikes from the same model year that were not intended for sale in California.
Furthermore, California will refuse to plate any vehicle that does not specifically have a California compliant emissions certification if it has fewer than 7500 miles on it, i.e. if it is new. Those that don’t meet California’s standards are labeled “49 state” vehicles.
ravhall@discuss.online
on 30 Sep 2024 01:10
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People don’t read. They see California and get all upset because they hate anything remotely progressive, and just assume all the steers left for Texas.
Blackout@fedia.io
on 30 Sep 2024 00:16
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Fun fact, Gavin Nelson is actually a living AI. He doesn't always get the answer right but he does always have words that sound like a plausible answer. He also creates artwork in his mind.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world
on 30 Sep 2024 00:30
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Gavin Nelson, that’s the guy that did “After the Rain,” right? Love that guy. Fitting song for these trying times.
Trying to do the same thing in EU I guess. It’s funny how the tech giants are mad at it and not releasing their latest energy black hole data pumps in EU. It’s like cocaine gangs threatening us to not sell in our countries if we don’t change the laws. No, thanks.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world
on 30 Sep 2024 05:39
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Nancy Pelosi, argued that the bill would “kill California tech” and stifle innovation.
As long as the critics of a safety regulation need nothing better than such stupid, short-sighted arguments, nobody will ever be safe.
trailee@sh.itjust.works
on 30 Sep 2024 17:52
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Meta: I’ve noticed a lot of VOA links on Lemmy lately, and I’d like to understand why. As I understand it, VOA is essentially a national propaganda news organization targeting an international audience (similar to RT). Why is that a good source for article sharing? Especially in the case of the article at hand, which is just a VOA republication of an Associated Press piece that could have been linked originally.
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Man, fuck Gavin Newsome. That fucker has to go
He might be going to the White House in the future.
How exactly do LLMs do that? If you’ve given an LLM’s pseudorandom output control over your electrical grid, no regulation will mitigate your stupidity.
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I think it’s more about asking it the steps to create a bomb or how to disrupt the grid, for example, where to cut the major edges.
That sounds like a self-correcting issue right there
That, and the Internet has been teaching people how to create bombs since the dial-up days. I don’t predict that LLM’s will be either a benefit or a detriment to that particular strain of natural selection.
anyone remember the anarchist’s cookbook?
Still a public safety issue.
Is it more of a public safety issue than if they actually build a working one from a legit bomb manual and deploy it?
No, but I think it could make the knowledge more easily available which increases the risk that it may happen.
I see you’ve never heard of the Anarchist’s Cookbook
I think I heard about it before, but instead of having to remember that, I could just ask an uncensored LLM.
The actual point was, bomb making instructions have been floating around on search engine results since the days of dial up. That particular manuscript itself has existed since before the days of the Internet. There’s nothing cgpt could give you that you couldn’t have found by typing the same query into Google. Getting the instructions is literally the easiest, least effort, least risk part of building a bomb.
Could he understand the halting problem? I doubt he does, but the legislators evidently don’t either
If you hook an LLM up as an interface replacement for a manual/analog Power Plant interface and start asking the translator to intuit decisions based on fuzzy inputs, you can create a cascade of errors that result in grid failure.
This rule would prevent a business or public regulator from doing such a thing without proving out safeguards.
And the governor vetoed it.
Good.
All this bill would have done is given OpenAI/Anthropic and such an effective monopoly (and probably destroy the planet with their insane scaling schemes) by destroying the open model ecosystem. I think fediverse vs. corporate social media is a good analogy, and this is kinda like sniping the Fediverse because it’s “too dangerous” if it gets too big, without actually being specific on how to deal with that, but actually sniping it because its a competitive threat.
And yes, OpenAI opposed this, but that was lip service. Don’t believe a word that comes out of Altman’s mouth.
That’s reassuring—Li is one of the best-qualified people for the role, and she isn’t in the pocket of any of the major players.
Great, now we’ll have separate “california-model” ai-models, like cars.
Why? He vetoed it.
And now lots of cars use the same standard as California which can be registered in California, what’s your point?
That… this doesn’t change anything, because he vetoed it, so it’s not a requirement for anyone?
What I mean is we tend to set the trend here. Maybe this isn’t the right one yet. People were complaining about California (and I still do) about their emission regulations, but yet states are adopting the policy as it was the right choice. Inland empire doesn’t have a smog warning of the day saying if you can go outside or if it’s hazardous.
California tends to lead the nation in laws that help the environment and citizens even if we think they fuckin blow. (10 round magazine, really?)
Even if did pass, I’m not sure why you’d think they’d have CA models, because as far as I’m aware they don’t do that for cars.
Manufacturers absolutely do make only-for-sale-in-California-variant cars. Motorcycles, also. They’re not as common as they used to be because emissions laws elsewhere are also starting to become as stringent as the CARB rules these days as well, so it’s becoming more cost effective to just make everything the “California version.”
Throughout the early 2000’s, the distinction was much more relevant. The last vehicle I had to work on that I know for a fact to be a “California version” was a 2014 KLR650. It has additional (unreliable…) emissions control equipment that is not present on otherwise identical bikes from the same model year that were not intended for sale in California.
Furthermore, California will refuse to plate any vehicle that does not specifically have a California compliant emissions certification if it has fewer than 7500 miles on it, i.e. if it is new. Those that don’t meet California’s standards are labeled “49 state” vehicles.
People don’t read. They see California and get all upset because they hate anything remotely progressive, and just assume all the steers left for Texas.
Fun fact, Gavin Nelson is actually a living AI. He doesn't always get the answer right but he does always have words that sound like a plausible answer. He also creates artwork in his mind.
Gavin Nelson, that’s the guy that did “After the Rain,” right? Love that guy. Fitting song for these trying times.
Ah yes, the sequel to "Are Those Rain Clouds?" Thought provoking films.
Gruesome Newsome’s veto pen is to the right of Reagan’s.
Is that Major Nelson’s first name?
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Trying to do the same thing in EU I guess. It’s funny how the tech giants are mad at it and not releasing their latest energy black hole data pumps in EU. It’s like cocaine gangs threatening us to not sell in our countries if we don’t change the laws. No, thanks.
As long as the critics of a safety regulation need nothing better than such stupid, short-sighted arguments, nobody will ever be safe.
Meta: I’ve noticed a lot of VOA links on Lemmy lately, and I’d like to understand why. As I understand it, VOA is essentially a national propaganda news organization targeting an international audience (similar to RT). Why is that a good source for article sharing? Especially in the case of the article at hand, which is just a VOA republication of an Associated Press piece that could have been linked originally.