Not sure if this is serious. Boeing and Airbus are booked with orders for the next several years. They both could not get a single new order and would have work to do for the next half decade.
do you really think that article talking about number of ordered planes suddenly switched to number of spare parts? does that sound logical to you? if you donât recognize such obvious sarcasm, you really shouldnât try to deliver burns to others, youâll just burn yourself in the process.
Boeing is the industry in the military-industrial-complex. Commercial jetliners are an ancillary product for them.
CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world
on 12 Jun 20:54
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No, their airlines are not an ancillary product. They are their main product. According to Boeingâs earnings reports, the commercial aircraft segment of the company made up 56% of total revenue in 2018, 42% in 2019, 27% in 2020, 30% in 2021, 38% in 2022, and 43% in 2023. The rest of their revenue is split between the Defense, Space and Security segment, and the Global Services segment.
Prior to 2017, the vast majority of the earnings for the whole company came from the Commercial Airplanes segment. Since then, that segment has been operating at a loss. Since 2022, both Defense and Commercial Airplanes have been operating at a loss.
If youâre curious you can look up Boeingâs 10-k form. Page 56 has the revenue breakdowns.
I know actually building a plane is hard, but this is crazy. They are bigger, but still not dissimilar from 60s aviation. I know that safety standards are strict (not for Boeing apparently though), but still - what, nobody else can satisfy the demand for passenger airplanes?
Passenger planes being built mostly by Boeing and Airbus, consumer chips being produced mostly by TSMC, this is a very strange outcome really. As if the average human thought monopoly is good for them.
autotldr@lemmings.world
on 12 Jun 17:50
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The results released Tuesday compared unfavorably with Europeâs Airbus, which reported net orders for 15 planes in May â 27 sales but 12 cancellations.
Boeing also saw Aerolineas Argentinas cancel an order for a single Max jet, bringing its net sales for the month to three.
The dismal results followed poor figures for April, when Boeing reported seven sales â none of them for the Max.
Boeing hopes that the slow pace of orders reflects a lull in sales before next monthâs Farnborough International Airshow, where aircraft deals are often announced.
But the Federal Aviation Administration is capping Boeingâs production of 737s after a door plug blew out from an Alaska Airlines Max, allegations by whistleblowers that Boeing has taken shortcuts to produce planes more quickly, and reports of falsified inspection records on some 787 Dreamliner jets.
Boeing, based in Arlington, Virginia, delivered 24 jetliners in May, including 19 Max jets.
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Reverendender@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jun 17:52
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GOOD. How are those profits looking now, you murderous fucks?
dyathinkhesaurus@lemmy.world
on 12 Jun 18:05
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Theyâll just sack some more engineers to cut costs, and hire more sales & marketing.
Unlike a lot of sectors though, Airbus knows what theyâre doing and is a high profile alternative, and unlike the US, hasnât yet completely internalized our sociopathic greed disease to our degree, despite the global economic pressure we inflict on other nations encouraging them to betray and cause harm to their own societies and citizens if it means an extra nickel of short term private profit.
Donât worry though, the UK has fallen to the greed disease, and our capitalists are bribing and coercing their way eastward, and they wonât stop until they either are physically stopped by something like climate change, or successfully make the world forget that Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.
I have just come to acceptance with who we are, and enjoy the accidental poetry of our reckless worship of greed/gluttony/growth/metastasis being our, accelerating going by the latest science still going on deaf ears, end.
I also enjoy all the very corporate culture like bargaining thatâs going on with cold, hard, unflinching physics. Oh we wonât make our non-binding emissions goals and grid standards, so weâll just roll those back, the climate will understand!
Weâre tackling our own self-inflicted, reverse terraforming climate disaster with the stages of grief because we refuse to stop and change how we live to find homeostasis with this world, so this isnât going to end well, and just like with clean coal/corn ethanol/plant a tree offsets/planet scale carbon scrubbers and all the other private profit driven snake oil âsolutions,â we arenât going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.
If by mankind you mean about 30kish sociopath families on the backs of billions and to the detriment of the long term climate our only habitat, then sure.
And to be fair, those 30kish sociopath families would largely agree theyâre the only mankind that counts.
Also Boeing is buying back itâs fuselage supplier that it originally spun of into itâs own business (because it wasnât profitable for Boeing back then).
The problem now is that supplier also makes fuselages for Airbus. So Boeing is gonna be making them for AirbusâŚ
You can only do so much marketing though. People donât want to fly in these planes if it means a huge risk to their life. Itâs simpler to just say no thanks. Businesses donât want them if customers arenât going to pay to fly on them. So marketing can only do so much. In the end your product needs to work. If it doesnât, then again people donât want to fly in them⌠And so on.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 13 Jun 12:11
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businessfish@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 13 Jun 13:10
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stuff them into a sack maybe
motor_spirit@lemmy.world
on 12 Jun 20:09
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they need to make a reality show out of what it looks like to be held accountable and go through the justice system, using some of these soulless pieces of shit as examples. showcase the turmoil of the disgraced family torn apart and offer no help. the public can laugh at their pain the same way they certainly laugh at the issues of the common people they neglect and oppress.
DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone
on 12 Jun 22:07
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No need to worry, following what the CEO of Boeing called a âquality escapeâ regarding a door falling off, Boeing is now just facing a profit and customer escape.
PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 13 Jun 06:20
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Itâs not so much what the Boeing CEO called the issue so much as a technical term for when a non-conforming product gets sold at its planned inspection operation.
aseriesoftubes@lemmy.world
on 12 Jun 18:12
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Itâs good to see the free market actually working
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
on 12 Jun 18:13
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Iâm sure the millionaire dipshits who cut corners and killed people are super worried.
thalidomide sales took a real header once too. people normally will choose to spend their money on things which will benefit them, and tend not to spend money on the things which will kill them and hurt their business.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
on 12 Jun 18:19
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Even if they gave them away for free, no one would take them for commercial use. Not sure who would be surprised at this ânewsâ
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 12 Jun 18:49
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I mean, they totally would. Do you think the fine folks at American airlines have moral compasses that are orders of magnitude greater than boeingâs?
They have been. The problem is twofold; Airbuses are limited in the U.S., and airlines have increased the rates on those tickets because I guess a working airplane is now considered a premium.
Could it be a purposeful effort by foreign entities to discredit and dilute american corporate giants reputations by placing sympathetic people into positions that would bring that about?
raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
on 12 Jun 22:40
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So you dont think the people running things could be put there by any actions of a foreign nature? For instance a hiring manager, hr executive, or someone in a similar role?
I think its more if you look at what they did and the problems theyâre having all came after a merger with McDonnel Douglas and seem to be a typical case of corporate âfire people for reporting bad numbersâ aka âkill the messengerâ along with lots of outsourcing. Which results in numbers go up but at the cost of QA/QC.
This is all standard reaganomics and like nearly every other company that went down this road while selling real physical products theyâre now reaping the fruits theyâve sown for over 20 years.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
on 13 Jun 05:15
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Same company that has the Starliner with leaks staying at the ISS. Not a good look.
Marketing department is going to be working overtime.
The brand new 737 Boeing Goeing. Cheaper than all others on the market with a 15 year warranty. Gaurenteed to keep you Goeing. For fucks sake, weâre Boeing.
This is a whole new remodeled version of our Max that had various issues that concerned our buyers. Now, weâve added an onboard AI that will detect which items to advertise to customers based off past sales and gender/sex/age/height/and weight. Up your sales numbers guaranteed to increase from the info we scrape off the Internet or buy from Google directly. Built in auto serve tray so the hosts donât need to find the orders, they are auto placed on a exiting conveyor that feeds right onto the cart you roll up!
These beauties are all thrown in for free when you invest in your future thatâs Goeing places.
*Doors may become from nowhere, wheels may fall off, leaks may occur, but your profits will skyrocket. Landings not guaranteed.
They might start sending assassins to threaten their buyers soon
ArtVandelay@lemmy.world
on 13 Jun 02:17
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At least they wonât have to wonder where these severed horse head in the middle of the bed came from.
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works
on 13 Jun 15:08
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This is definitely more plausible than their improving build quality
generichate1546@lemmynsfw.com
on 13 Jun 06:15
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This is the greed that was awesome for the fuckers profiting of cutting the costs of engineeringâŚnow we reap the benefits of losing a worldwide prominence in aviation because some scum from McDonald Douglass wanted to get richâŚat American expense.
Yeah, yeah, but the executives that took the various decisions that made Boeing what it is now are even more millionaire than when they started at Boeing and will not see the inside of a jail cell, ever.
So we can all rest easy knowing that those we are constantly told are the most important people who deserve to be paid so much because of being risk takers and wealth creators, will be just fine, as if a few ânobodyâ whistleblowers had to be taken out, well, thatâs a price the trully important risk taking wealth creators were willing to pay.
I was watching this Korean show, they made a whole huge deal about a corporation stealing 5 billion won from the public. I literally burst out laughing when I googled the conversion and itâs 3.5 mil USD, big corporations here steal that amount in a quarter second just by breathing yet in Korea itâs apparently an amount worthy of its own entire show. US is such a fucked oligarchy.
Assuming the show reflects corporate values and isnât just propaganda like US police shows are intended to make the Korean public (and anyone watching from outside of Korea) think that thatâs how that would be treated.
From what I understand, South Koreaâs economy is dominated by a small number of mega corps (like Samsung) that try to do pretty much everything.
This shows that there must be actual problems with their aircraft though because airlines are not going to care about public attitude, due to the companyâs politics. But if they are genuinely unsafe vehicles or have the potential to be unsafe vehicles, then theyâll stay away.
If public attitude ever got significant enough that they couldnât fill a certain model of plane they would definitely stop buying them, that said Iâm not sure weâre at that point.
skulblaka@startrek.website
on 14 Jun 01:41
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Every person I know who has flown in the last six months has inquired about the manufacturer of their plane before boarding
Interestingly enough, even if it would make sense that boeing is now fully focusing on improving quality, it also makes sense to me that airbus must be ensuring and pushing a lot of quality upgrades as well, it would be perfect marketing for them if no mistakes whatsoever happened on airbusâs planes
And if they didnât develop the culture of sweeping safety issues under the rug at all levels, they wonât have much trouble keeping ahead because Iâm sure that even at the height of Boeingâs safety ignoring, I bet most of the communication still looked like they took safety seriously. Just those in the know realized that they could make themselves look better by faking it and their management wouldnât care. Iâve gotta assume that some number of them will think the current safety culture overhaul is really trying to send a message of âjust be smarter about ignoring safety, donât let it get to the point where doors fall off mid-flight and we need to kill some whistleblowersâ.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 13 Jun 12:56
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The 737 Max is a garbage product they crashed and burned with their MCAS woes. They should give up the iconic product line and go all in on selling the safer 777 as its replacement. Yes, its built for a greater range, but the 777 hasnât been fucked with in terms of fail-deadly systems yet, and its the safest plane Boeing has in its fleet.
Boeingâs customers are already out-ordering other models over the 737 Max, the decision is being made for them!
If they do nothing, Airbus will get enough orders to expand its factories and blow through its backlog.
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I wonder what those orders are? They could be mainly orders for extra bolts.
Not sure if this is serious. Boeing and Airbus are booked with orders for the next several years. They both could not get a single new order and would have work to do for the next half decade.
if you are really not sure whether this:
is serious, then i recommend to not attempt crossing a street without supervision đ
its a valid question.
âAre they orders for whole planes, or for anything boeing might produce such as bolts?â
Does that simplify it for you? Careful crossing the streets
They are for whole planes. As these sales figures always are.
FYI same goes for car sales.
no, it is not.
do you really think that article talking about number of ordered planes suddenly switched to number of spare parts? does that sound logical to you? if you donât recognize such obvious sarcasm, you really shouldnât try to deliver burns to others, youâll just burn yourself in the process.
en.wikipedia.org/âŚ/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_âŚ
long story short: the numbers mean whole aircraft. i hope it is simple enough for you.
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Took that real personally, huh
Several years is an understatement. At current rates of production it will take at least 14 years to fulfill all orders.
TIL me & the boys should be building sky birds
Extra self sealing stem bolts probably
I would trust the Ferengi more than Boeing executives at this point.
And so you should. Our products are of the highest quality.
100 gross of self sealing stem bolts!
Boeing is the industry in the military-industrial-complex. Commercial jetliners are an ancillary product for them.
No, their airlines are not an ancillary product. They are their main product. According to Boeingâs earnings reports, the commercial aircraft segment of the company made up 56% of total revenue in 2018, 42% in 2019, 27% in 2020, 30% in 2021, 38% in 2022, and 43% in 2023. The rest of their revenue is split between the Defense, Space and Security segment, and the Global Services segment.
Prior to 2017, the vast majority of the earnings for the whole company came from the Commercial Airplanes segment. Since then, that segment has been operating at a loss. Since 2022, both Defense and Commercial Airplanes have been operating at a loss.
If youâre curious you can look up Boeingâs 10-k form. Page 56 has the revenue breakdowns.
Those are orders for the 737. Not parts, newly constructed aircraft. Airbusâs similary sized A320 has a backlog of 7197 according to wikipedia.
I know actually building a plane is hard, but this is crazy. They are bigger, but still not dissimilar from 60s aviation. I know that safety standards are strict (not for Boeing apparently though), but still - what, nobody else can satisfy the demand for passenger airplanes?
Passenger planes being built mostly by Boeing and Airbus, consumer chips being produced mostly by TSMC, this is a very strange outcome really. As if the average human thought monopoly is good for them.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The results released Tuesday compared unfavorably with Europeâs Airbus, which reported net orders for 15 planes in May â 27 sales but 12 cancellations.
Boeing also saw Aerolineas Argentinas cancel an order for a single Max jet, bringing its net sales for the month to three.
The dismal results followed poor figures for April, when Boeing reported seven sales â none of them for the Max.
Boeing hopes that the slow pace of orders reflects a lull in sales before next monthâs Farnborough International Airshow, where aircraft deals are often announced.
But the Federal Aviation Administration is capping Boeingâs production of 737s after a door plug blew out from an Alaska Airlines Max, allegations by whistleblowers that Boeing has taken shortcuts to produce planes more quickly, and reports of falsified inspection records on some 787 Dreamliner jets.
Boeing, based in Arlington, Virginia, delivered 24 jetliners in May, including 19 Max jets.
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GOOD. How are those profits looking now, you murderous fucks?
Theyâll just sack some more engineers to cut costs, and hire more sales & marketing.
More sales people to handle all the sales theyâre not getting?
An engineer makes engines and a sales persons makes sales, right?
Actually a sailor makes sales.
Unlike a lot of sectors though, Airbus knows what theyâre doing and is a high profile alternative, and unlike the US, hasnât yet completely internalized our sociopathic greed disease to our degree, despite the global economic pressure we inflict on other nations encouraging them to betray and cause harm to their own societies and citizens if it means an extra nickel of short term private profit.
Donât worry though, the UK has fallen to the greed disease, and our capitalists are bribing and coercing their way eastward, and they wonât stop until they either are physically stopped by something like climate change, or successfully make the world forget that Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.
Ah I see youâre an optimist.
I have just come to acceptance with who we are, and enjoy the accidental poetry of our reckless worship of greed/gluttony/growth/metastasis being our, accelerating going by the latest science still going on deaf ears, end.
I also enjoy all the very corporate culture like bargaining thatâs going on with cold, hard, unflinching physics. Oh we wonât make our non-binding emissions goals and grid standards, so weâll just roll those back, the climate will understand!
Weâre tackling our own self-inflicted, reverse terraforming climate disaster with the stages of grief because we refuse to stop and change how we live to find homeostasis with this world, so this isnât going to end well, and just like with clean coal/corn ethanol/plant a tree offsets/planet scale carbon scrubbers and all the other private profit driven snake oil âsolutions,â we arenât going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.
In-fuckin-deed. All the talk about âcarbon captureâ schemes makes my skin crawl.
Well itâs either that or delusional parasitosis that makes my skin crawl, but anyhow.
Of all the Dystopias, I think weâre closest to Elysium at the moment.
Yeah, although without the cool space station and cyberpunk-ish tech. I doubt weâll get that far.
True, though I hope weâll see a few variations of Killdozer crop up before the end.
I see The Road primarily, but I could also give a nod to The Road WarriorâŚ
Wake me up when we get to Thunderdome
What complete gutter trash talk. Economies serve the master of mankind.
If by mankind you mean about 30kish sociopath families on the backs of billions and to the detriment of the long term climate our only habitat, then sure.
And to be fair, those 30kish sociopath families would largely agree theyâre the only mankind that counts.
investopedia.com/new-class-of-global-elite-have-eâŚ.
Sorry about my gutter trash mouth btw, Iâll work on that.
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1998 Hell in a cell reference, yeah? Thatâs the only thing that coherents up this comment
Also Boeing is buying back itâs fuselage supplier that it originally spun of into itâs own business (because it wasnât profitable for Boeing back then).
The problem now is that supplier also makes fuselages for Airbus. So Boeing is gonna be making them for AirbusâŚ
Oof. Oligopolies/duopolies shouldnât exist, but here we are.
Ehhh thereâs⌠Embraer?
Bring back grumman!
The LLV, specifically.
Seriously. These cats put men on the moon with 1960s tech. They bought into the dream. Now itâs all stock buybacks and evil.
They donât do widebodies.
Bombardier?
You can only do so much marketing though. People donât want to fly in these planes if it means a huge risk to their life. Itâs simpler to just say no thanks. Businesses donât want them if customers arenât going to pay to fly on them. So marketing can only do so much. In the end your product needs to work. If it doesnât, then again people donât want to fly in them⌠And so on.
âSackâ
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stuff them into a sack maybe
they need to make a reality show out of what it looks like to be held accountable and go through the justice system, using some of these soulless pieces of shit as examples. showcase the turmoil of the disgraced family torn apart and offer no help. the public can laugh at their pain the same way they certainly laugh at the issues of the common people they neglect and oppress.
Essentially John Oliverâs episode on Boeing.
Iâll have to check that out then
Not some of them, all of them. Such people are usually not too touched by some of them getting the boot.
Fine when the government steps in to bail them out.
No need to worry, following what the CEO of Boeing called a âquality escapeâ regarding a door falling off, Boeing is now just facing a profit and customer escape.
independent.co.uk/âŚ/boeing-alaska-airlines-door-pâŚ
Itâs not so much what the Boeing CEO called the issue so much as a technical term for when a non-conforming product gets sold at its planned inspection operation.
Itâs good to see the free market actually working
Iâm sure the millionaire dipshits who cut corners and killed people are super worried.
laughs in golden parachute
thalidomide sales took a real header once too. people normally will choose to spend their money on things which will benefit them, and tend not to spend money on the things which will kill them and hurt their business.
Even if they gave them away for free, no one would take them for commercial use. Not sure who would be surprised at this ânewsâ
I mean, they totally would. Do you think the fine folks at American airlines have moral compasses that are orders of magnitude greater than boeingâs?
I assume their customers would start looking for flights that use safer planes
They have been. The problem is twofold; Airbuses are limited in the U.S., and airlines have increased the rates on those tickets because I guess a working airplane is now considered a premium.
Deserved.
The most surprising thing here to me is that someone was buying a 737 Max 3 months ago.
Yeah, Iâd love to know what airline that was so I can make sure I never give them my business.
According to boeingâs website the last 737 order was in February from âunidentified customer(s).â Hmmmmmmmm
Wonât someone please buy our airborne death trap?
The US government has entered the chat
Boeing hitmen would like to know your location
Heâs booked through at least the rest of the year.
In that case, are you looking for an exciting new career opportunity?
s/tumble/crater/
lol. lmao.
Get fucked Boeing.
What year is it? The 737 Max was a certified death trap since 2018.
en.wikipedia.org/âŚ/Maneuvering_Characteristics_AuâŚ
This. I made sure to never set foot in a newer Boeing since those grounded models were ungrounded.
shit falling apart, again and again and again andâŚ
ây u no buy our shit? :(â
Could it be a purposeful effort by foreign entities to discredit and dilute american corporate giants reputations by placing sympathetic people into positions that would bring that about?
Ahahah. No.
Just a thought
Not everything has to be a conspiracy.
âreputationsâ hehe, nice one.
why would boeing need help damaging its reputation? It seems to be doing a great job of that on its own.
So you dont think the people running things could be put there by any actions of a foreign nature? For instance a hiring manager, hr executive, or someone in a similar role?
I think its more if you look at what they did and the problems theyâre having all came after a merger with McDonnel Douglas and seem to be a typical case of corporate âfire people for reporting bad numbersâ aka âkill the messengerâ along with lots of outsourcing. Which results in numbers go up but at the cost of QA/QC.
This is all standard reaganomics and like nearly every other company that went down this road while selling real physical products theyâre now reaping the fruits theyâve sown for over 20 years.
Sounds reasonable
People downvote you, but that could well be true.
Then still the right course of action would be very different from supporting and bailing out etc the contaminated organization.
And then one can also think about other organizations possibly contaminated.
If this continues, bailout incoming
Let them fail!
We can dream
Same company that has the Starliner with leaks staying at the ISS. Not a good look.
Marketing department is going to be working overtime.
The brand new 737 Boeing Goeing. Cheaper than all others on the market with a 15 year warranty. Gaurenteed to keep you Goeing. For fucks sake, weâre Boeing.
This is a whole new remodeled version of our Max that had various issues that concerned our buyers. Now, weâve added an onboard AI that will detect which items to advertise to customers based off past sales and gender/sex/age/height/and weight. Up your sales numbers guaranteed to increase from the info we scrape off the Internet or buy from Google directly. Built in auto serve tray so the hosts donât need to find the orders, they are auto placed on a exiting conveyor that feeds right onto the cart you roll up!
These beauties are all thrown in for free when you invest in your future thatâs Goeing places.
*Doors may become from nowhere, wheels may fall off, leaks may occur, but your profits will skyrocket. Landings not guaranteed.
Lmao, that one got me.
They might start sending assassins to threaten their buyers soon
At least they wonât have to wonder where these severed horse head in the middle of the bed came from.
This is definitely more plausible than their improving build quality
This is the greed that was awesome for the fuckers profiting of cutting the costs of engineeringâŚnow we reap the benefits of losing a worldwide prominence in aviation because some scum from McDonald Douglass wanted to get richâŚat American expense.
Boeing got ruined in the name of capitalism.
Yeah, yeah, but the executives that took the various decisions that made Boeing what it is now are even more millionaire than when they started at Boeing and will not see the inside of a jail cell, ever.
So we can all rest easy knowing that those we are constantly told are the most important people who deserve to be paid so much because of being risk takers and wealth creators, will be just fine, as if a few ânobodyâ whistleblowers had to be taken out, well, thatâs a price the trully important risk taking wealth creators were willing to pay.
I was watching this Korean show, they made a whole huge deal about a corporation stealing 5 billion won from the public. I literally burst out laughing when I googled the conversion and itâs 3.5 mil USD, big corporations here steal that amount in a quarter second just by breathing yet in Korea itâs apparently an amount worthy of its own entire show. US is such a fucked oligarchy.
What show is that?
Assuming the show reflects corporate values and isnât just propaganda like US police shows are intended to make the Korean public (and anyone watching from outside of Korea) think that thatâs how that would be treated.
From what I understand, South Koreaâs economy is dominated by a small number of mega corps (like Samsung) that try to do pretty much everything.
Well, keep buying back stock, that seems to help.
Donât they make a shitload of weapons though? They could probably never make another commercial airliner again and still do just fine.
The military and civilian divisions will be separate though. .
I also havenât bought one.
This shows that there must be actual problems with their aircraft though because airlines are not going to care about public attitude, due to the companyâs politics. But if they are genuinely unsafe vehicles or have the potential to be unsafe vehicles, then theyâll stay away.
If public attitude ever got significant enough that they couldnât fill a certain model of plane they would definitely stop buying them, that said Iâm not sure weâre at that point.
Every person I know who has flown in the last six months has inquired about the manufacturer of their plane before boarding
I think the nail in the coffin will be the amount someone is willing to pay to not ride on one of those planes. And weâre talking money and time.
Flight booking websites literally added these plane models so you could filter out specific planes to avoid those flights because of these stories.
Interestingly enough, even if it would make sense that boeing is now fully focusing on improving quality, it also makes sense to me that airbus must be ensuring and pushing a lot of quality upgrades as well, it would be perfect marketing for them if no mistakes whatsoever happened on airbusâs planes
And if they didnât develop the culture of sweeping safety issues under the rug at all levels, they wonât have much trouble keeping ahead because Iâm sure that even at the height of Boeingâs safety ignoring, I bet most of the communication still looked like they took safety seriously. Just those in the know realized that they could make themselves look better by faking it and their management wouldnât care. Iâve gotta assume that some number of them will think the current safety culture overhaul is really trying to send a message of âjust be smarter about ignoring safety, donât let it get to the point where doors fall off mid-flight and we need to kill some whistleblowersâ.
The 737 Max is a garbage product they crashed and burned with their MCAS woes. They should give up the iconic product line and go all in on selling the safer 777 as its replacement. Yes, its built for a greater range, but the 777 hasnât been fucked with in terms of fail-deadly systems yet, and its the safest plane Boeing has in its fleet.
Boeingâs customers are already out-ordering other models over the 737 Max, the decision is being made for them!
If they do nothing, Airbus will get enough orders to expand its factories and blow through its backlog.
Or in an even darker timeline Lockheed-Martin or Raytheon will open a commercial division, I guess at least the shit will work
Millennials are killing the 737 Max industry!