I Ditched the Algorithm for RSS - and You Should Too
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from zapzap@lemmings.world to technology@lemmy.world on 22 Jan 22:42
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Blogger discovers this cool thing called “RSS”.
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Wait until I show them my PHP BB.
Nice webpage there sir. Material for MkDocs right?
I’ve recently rediscovered RSS and I’m in love with it. I just wish Meta wasn’t a piece of fuck and let you add Facebook pages and Instagram accounts. there are some workarounds for the latter, but they’re really finicky.
member when all the big cool web 2.0 companies had public facing APIs?
That was just for the growth and acquisition phase, using the network effect to capture consumers and businesses, get them addicted and dependent on the product, and then build a wall around them to lock them into your platform.
It’s a classic bait and switch, and if we didn’t live in corporate dictatorships masquerading as “democracy” it’d be illegal.
Yep, remember when XMPP was a thing so you could chat with anyone no matter the platform?
It is very much still a thing, and my preferred chat protocol - because it is easy to host and unlikely to enshittify.
Yeah, I meant in the sense that Facebook and Google had also implemented it so you could just talk to anyone with any client.
I member when there was no official reddit mobile app, only third party clients, and they were so good.
With bibliogram you can follow instagram pages in rss: sr.ht/~cadence/bibliogram/
Facebook pages used to work with rss bridge: github.com/RSS-Bridge/rss-bridge
good luck finding an instance that works.
I’m well aware of the RSS Bridge and I use several of them hosted on the main instance, but how does “used to work” help? Facebook used to actually provide RSS feeds for their pages and they used to work, too.
You have to selfhost bibliogram, working for me, I usually get rate limited but get all updates once or twice a week.
There is a facebook bridge in rss bridge, for a long time it worked, I don’t follow its development nowadays, maybe someone with some php knowledge can resurrect it.
Not an RSS solution, but in IG if you tap the “Instagram” logo at the top/right, a menu will pop up. You can select “following” to (mostly) see the accounts you’re following (and in reverse chronological order.)
that requires having an account.
I’ve been interested in trying out RSS again but I don’t want to self-host. Can anyone recommend a RSS client (hosted, local, or whatever) that they like?
I’ve had some decent times with inoreader.
inoreader seems very ergonomic, thanks!
Thunderbird has RSS integrated, which could be quite neat once that synchronizes.
I prefer the Feedbro browser extension in Firefox. I think it is available for chrome/edge as well.
It can be as simple as just putting an app on your phone. I use feeder which is fine. Pretty bare bones, but in that way it’s easy to learn and use.
I’ve also been meaning to try out an app called Nunti, which I heard about a while ago from this Lemmy post. It claims to be an RSS reader with the added benefit of an (open source and fully local) algorithm to provide some light curation of your feed. It looks interesting, but I haven’t actually tried it out yet because I’m still deciding whether I want any algorithm curating my feed, even one as transparent as Nunti’s. It’s also only available through F-Droid right now, which is a bit of a barrier to entry.
The fact that it’s only available through fdroid is actually a good thing in my opinion.
If it’s open source, you could perhaps tinker with the algorithm. My main desires for rss feeds are:
Any clue if nunti could do that?
Man, I feel you on the affiliate link fluff. I actually ended up unsubscribing from the Popular Mechanics and Popular Science feeds because the signal to noise ratio was so bad.
The creator of Nunti provided a very good primer on the algorithm design here. Basically, you indicate to the app whether you like or dislike an article and then it does some keyword extraction in the background and tries to show you similar articles in the future. I suppose you might be able to dislike a bunch of the fluff and hope the filter picks up on it, but it isn’t really designed to support the kind of rules that would completely purge a certain type of content from your feed.
Oh wow, they really did a good job of explaining it. It’s not too complex. I think it probably would be able to filter out some of the fluff.
Newsblur can do the first kind of filtering. You select “best gadgets” in the title, and all posts on that feed with that phrase in the title will be hidden from then on.
Feeder can do keyword filtering on titles, but not on a per feed basis, and only with simple wildcards. I’ve been able to filter out a bit with it, though.
If you’re on iOS, feeeed is kinda slick :)
I needed this, thanks! For the lazy, it’s here.
On android i like ReadYou on fdroid
there are some publically available FreshRSS instances that you can make an account with, I personally use hostux. you can access it with the browser and any apps that support FreshRSS (in my case, Read You or Capy Reader on Android, and sometimes RSS Guard on desktop).
I used Feedly since Google Reader was shut down. Then 1.5 years ago, as Feedly was getting more paywalls and AI-crap, I switched to Newsblur, and have been a happy user ever since. I love its Intelligence Trainer that lets me hide posts with certain tags/authors/keywords.
Unlimited hosted-by-them Newsblur costs 36 USD / year. It has a FLOSS version and a more limited free hosted-by-them version, but the 2.5 GBP / month was worth the QoL increase for me.
How do you all discover new RSS feeds to subscribe to?
Kagi Small Web, personally. Also a lot of people who blog on the Fediverse have RSS feeds, so discovery via Mastodon and such is good too.
Most of the feeds I subscribe to came to me in one of two ways:
Wordpress sites publish an rss feed by default at site.com/rss or site.com/feed, so there’s a good chance a site you want an rss feed for has one even if they didn’t intend to.
After spending lots of time trying to find feeds, learning this was super helpful
I use an Browser Addon that searches for RSS feeds, still a bit finiky sometimes but still better than manually guessing URLs
That… seems like such an obvious solution lol, I just spend so much time on my phone I forget extensions are a thing unless I’m actively tinkering with my browser
Thank you so much for sharing! I’ll go take a look at firefox extensions when I next look for RSS feeds ☺️
I use an extension that searches the code on the page to find them. It puts a little number up, then when you click it you can copy the link.
My way is simple and stupid. I hit F12, then search for “rss” in the html and copy the link
I use Feedly for discovery, they have a crap load of websites you can subscribe to even if the websites don’t explicitly advertise RSS.
And then use the Feedly desktop website to get the actual RSS URL and put it in the client of your choice 🙃
You can set Google alerts for search terms. You’ll get articles when they pop up. Apparently I have the same name as a politician in Canada, so I get to keep up with what’s going on with that.
Google Reader was my goto and when they killed that I tried a bunch of others and none quite hit the same. Gutted that one hit the Google graveyard.
Classic Embrace-Extend-Extinguish move.
Wait until this guy gets to 2012, and discovers Flipboard…
I am using RSS and I love it
To OP and the few other comments sarcastically dunking on the blogger for just discovering RSS: why? It’s not exactly drowning in advocates today, and there’s basically a whole generation that wasn’t around when Google killed off Reader. What if we treated advocacy like this like the good thing it is?
You make my heart hurt, you’re so right. It’s getting harder and harder to find RSS or Atom links on sites. The more people rediscover these technologies, the more chance there is that site developers will continue to provide them.
It would be fantastic if more people would rediscover Usenet, and IRC, and ditch the shitty knock-offs like Discord. There’s a pretty big contingent advocating for Jabber, which I’m ambivalent about, having been there when it started and when it (effectively) died and being very conscious of its flaws and limitations… but, still, these are all open standards and old-school internet - sometimes pre-web! - and they’re often still better than the commoditized successors.
Embrace and encourage the new infusion of youth! Gate keeping is a very post-eternal-September behavior.
I’d be interested in ditching Discord, anything you recommend?
IRC
AFAIK it can’t reach feature parity with Discord, it only does text FFS! No video, no voice, not even simple text formatting and emojis! Not to mention plenty of clients are ugly, which can’t be said about Discord.
Agree about features (pplus the fact that you’d need a bouncer or an always-on client to receive all messages), but the clients are just better than Discord. Discord just feels bloated.
So many great things listed as negatives :(
There is a single feature I kinda wish it had, view message history. Doesn’t have to be permanent history, like last 30 minutes/messages would be fine. But using IRC on an intermittent connection isn’t great in my experience. Otherwise I would love to go back to IRC.
It makes the most sense to get off discord by being platform agnostic in my opinion, just going to wherever you can find clusters of the types of connections you want in whatever format works for you as long as the format meets your requirements like privacy or whatever else, if you can find the bulk of it in a single place that’s great but not necessary.
Revolt Chat. Only problem is they limit you to 25mb unless you’re self hosted.
Element (over the Matrix protocol). As someone who grew up on IRC, it is in no shape or form a replacement for Discord.
(IIRC) Element has stopped development.
Element X should be the app to install.
Matrix is probably the closest; it’s federated, there are a dozen more-or-less actively developed clients, for just about every platform. You can self-host your own server. It has a lot of features.
It’s not perfect; it has a lot of flaws, but there’s slow progress. Things to be aware of:
And to throw up a challenge before anyone disagrees about that last point: try changing clients several times, across devices, and on the same client. Delete your client and reconnect (as if you lost your phone). See how long you can go before you hit a point where you can’t get to your chat history.
It’s a good alternative to Discord; it’s categorically better than Discord. If you’re not hosting the server, it’s better than IRC; the user experience is simply undebatably better. It’s a crappy IM platform. It needs far better mod tools, and some competitor to Synapse has to get out of Beta.
But if all you’re looking for is an alternative to Discord and you ate fine with using a public service, it’s a good choice.
What’s the first rule of Usenet? 😬
TELL EVERYONE ABOUT USENET
Yeah, there was, and probably still is, a bunch of warez trading on Usenet. But everything that was good and holy was also on Usenet.
Anyway, plebes won’t show up there anymore because nobody runs free nodes anymore, and the worst of us are so used to being products the idea of paying for a service is a foreign concept.
Usenet existed long before the Eternal September. It survived that and the subsequent decades; it’s never been some sort of secret haven - it’s been a haven only because it wasn’t trivial to use, web interfaces for it never caught on, it started costing money to be on, and these are deal breakers for the people you don’t want on Usenet.
Well, that rule has been mostly tongue in cheek as you are probably aware, but perhaps Usenet will once again become useful to more folks. I have never veered away from it since I discovered it in the late 90’s. I suppose that makes me a part of the ES group? I’m quite glad to have discovered it. You do now have to pay to use it, but the the cost is mild and the tools are all modernized with plenty of web front-ends out there.
Pretty much everyone who has an RSS feed has it accidentally.
Usenet and IRC have bad usability and lack features compared to Discord.
IM applications like Jabber and such have been replaced by messenger apps like Telegram.
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I don’t think “dunking” is the right word. It’s just funny that people are still discovering RSS 30 years later. Myself included.
Cool tip.
If you want news for a specific game and they release news on steam… all steam pages have an RSS feed.
Genuinely did not know that, thanks
Wow that’s really neat, thanks!
Unfortunately a lot of sites have ditched support for RSS over the past 10 years requiring tedious work arounds if you can get it to work at all.
I hope it can make a comeback but I’m dubious.
I use it, as both a reader and a publisher, but rss (in particular) could do with an update.
We gotta bring back usenet servers and dare I say IRC and Telnet
SSH over telnet but IRC is still alive and kicking
I just saw this article last week! I love RSS feeds and set up a bunch through my work email outlook client. They been there since like 2010 (yes I still have the same job…) and I barely touch them these days due to time, and some sites died, but it’s still the quickest way to catch up on the news you want. Wherever I saw this posted last I saw a recommend for FeedFlow and have been messing with that phone app to try and make some ultimate new feed for myself.
My local news sites block RSS because they paywall all their articles to force you to buy a newspaper or pay twice as much for online access.
I skip the RSS and just buy the local paper.
Shot out to freshness, been using that for years! Self hosting it
FreshRSS for those playing along at home…
I frankly hate those posts in which people tells me what I should do. Just write “Hey, look, this is cool!” and let me judge it and decide.
Same. I’m guessing the clickbait algorithm favors the “should” phrasing, which is annoying.
I was trying to find a solution to have all the news sources I care about in a single app. Then I remembered RSS and was able to do that very easily. I use self-hosted Miniflux and just use that as pwa when on my phone. Ridoculously lightweight and very awesome. I also setup Readeck (a Pocket alternative) where I push longer articles for when I’m up for reading more instead of just checking the latest news. I love it
Escape the walled garden and algorithm black boxes with RSS feeds.
I recently rediscovered RSS with Read You on F-Droid (I enjoy it’s UI and bionic reading). I also found something on Github called Follow that I use on my desktop running CachyOS.
People should be rediscovering RSS. It’s news that you tailor to yourself and doesn’t come bundled with the “social” part of social media.
The problem I run into is most news sites optimize for 2 things
So most sites have a fuck ton of noise and carpet bomb ads.
I’d love to go back to the RSS model but it’s hard finding sites worth reading again.
Yeah, is there some sort of directory or something? That’d be cool.
Find one or two sites you regularly like from your usual sources. Then when THOSE sources link to another source, FOLLOW that link. If that site has good content, add it to your list.
It doesn’t take long to build a solid RSS feed, just need to spend a little time curating it. The key is to pay attention to who is providing the info.
Don’t like the direction a site is going, remove it from your feed.
If you see that one source is commonly the original source for information, or reporting make sure you do what you can to support it. Do they have a patreon? Can you share it out to your other sources?
Also, make sure you’re not falling into a bubble, follow national and international news sources.
I’d love to take a look at what other people are following and what they like about it. My own followed are kind of random.
Maybe this is one of those Qs a simple web search can answer…
Really hoping I don’t dox myself with this…
I (tried to) remove all the local news sites, but this gives me a pretty decent overview of things I’m interested in, without being overwhelming. You should be able to find some local news sources, and add their LOCAL only feed, so you don’t get hammered with national and international news.
This is why I legit built my own space news app , because my autistic brain can’t handle all the crap they’ve added to pages. I just need the text, and images. I don’t need links to other articles in the body of the article! I’m currently reading this article!! and stop citing your own articles as sources! <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/798fdf07-f687-4bf3-8bfa-431186416a9f.png">
On Firefox on Android there is a reader mode that gives you just the text and images. It’s the little icon next to the url. Sometimes you can bypass a paywall if you press it really quick before the page finishes loading.
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I use it quite often. Chills the eyes when reading. Standardized font(size) and design make this bearable.
Lemme clarify a bit. I love reader mode too and agree it cuts out a lot of cruft.
My point was that authors and articles spend less time trying to write an engaging article and more time trying to shove SEO keywords and questions into articles. It ruins the article and makes it something not worth reading.
Reader mode is great but if the substance isn’t there then it’s all for naught.
It’s 2004 again lol The good ol days.
RSS is back. Forums are back. It’s brilliant. Now I just need Musk and Zuck and Bezos to be no longer relevant to anybody’s lives.
I never stopped using it. It’s a shame some sites don’t have an rss feed anymore though…
Some RSS readers have the ability to generate an RSS feed from a site if they don’t support it. Some sites don’t show they have an RSS feed but they actually do.
Some smaller news sites share RSS feeds or newsletters if you support them on patreon.
For iOS, this one doesn’t collect any data. It’s pretty barebones, but also free. It nags you a bunch at first but eventually stopped
apps.apple.com/us/app/…/id1548190121
NetNewsWire is the iOS and macOS app for RSS. It has been around since RSS started out and is now open source.
never stopped using rss/atom with ttrss 💪
I use RSS but as far as I’m concerned, Lemmy is better, because it is categorized and ranked.
I use RSS for sites where I want to read every update. That typically means serial comics; dev-blogs of indie games; other infrequent blogs; and some infrequent youTube channels (I don’t visit youTube other than via my RSS feeds);
Whereas I use Lemmy and other sites for skimming and browsing, and discovering new things.
lemmy also supports rss! your inbox can generate a rss feed. Also communities have feeds that update whenever someone posts on them. For example for c/technology sorted after active: lemmy.world/feeds/c/technology.xml?sort=Active
Protip: Youtube channels have RSS feeds, they’re just buried in the source of the page. Ctrl-U and then Ctrl-F title=“RSS”
TIL. Gonna have to test this out my FreshRSS feed. Ty 🥰
I guess to get actual value from these videos you will still need to visit youtube.com though, in the end giving them valuable data to analyze.
You can play YouTube videos in VLC player
It’s in order if you only use the subscriptions tab too
A couple weeks ago I did a poll and it turns out almost 25% of the people who “watch YT daily or almost daily” don’t know about the subscriptions tab.
It’s so weird, but explains so many people claiming to not see new uploads. They only use the home page and never the actual subscriptions