Google Keeps Making Smartphones Worse (jacobin.com)
from JairajDevadiga@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 16 Jul 23:53
https://lemmy.world/post/33070050

Google’s Android, the world’s most widely used mobile operating system, started life as open-source software. In its quest for ever-greater profits, the tech giant has been gradually eroding Android’s open-source nature over the last decade.

Originally published on The Lever, but that one asks you to sign up.

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ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 00:05 next collapse

android peaked with the pixel 2. then everyone went overboard on bezel-less displays and fast refresh rates and smart assistant services and brought the whole damn thing crashing down.

LedgeDrop@lemmy.zip on 17 Jul 05:41 next collapse

… and I want my headphone jack, back.

lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jul 08:52 collapse

Yep, didn’t use it much but I have studio headphones that I lliked to plug from time to time.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:52 collapse

TBH getting a nice dongle like a Fiio KA5 is not so bad. It’s small enough to just hang off the cord, and sounds better anyway, and you don’t have to throw it away every phone switch.

lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works on 18 Jul 17:00 collapse

Not so bad?

That thing costs 230€ vs a free headphone jack. 🙄

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 17:04 collapse

Sorry, I meant the KA1 or KA3, got them mixed up. My KA3 was like $50 used.

I use it on my PC, too.

Considering the cost in reference to the hardware, and that I can use it basically forever, and that it’s a lower distortion DAC than any phone? It’s not bad. And it’s a barely-noticable addon for my headphones that just lives on the cord.

TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 07:14 next collapse

I don’t think the issue with phones is the smaller bezels or better displays.

That’s not what’s ruining them.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:51 collapse

Fast refresh rates are amazing. I cherished my old Razer Phone 2.

AstaKask@lemmy.cafe on 18 Jul 18:36 collapse

I think it varies from person to person. My gf can’t tell the difference at all, even when she really tries, neither can a friend of mine (who also use the most insane jerky screen settings on his TV). For me, I can’t imagine going back to 60hz ever again. It feels like something is physically wrong with my phone if I turn 120hz off.

VicksVaporBBQrub@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jul 00:25 next collapse

Can I get a rundown of the few non-flagship phonemakers that are currently out there? I have heard of The Nothing Phone. Are there more companies that put together Androids to operate within the US?

Prox@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 00:50 next collapse

Would Moto count? I’ve been rocking their basic-ass phones for years now. Way, way less bloatware than Samsung, etc. and only like $200 unlocked.

xep@fedia.io on 17 Jul 01:51 collapse

I think Moto is actually Lenovo now?

comador@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 01:58 collapse

Yup. Motorola is Chinese Lenovo now sadly. Lenovo is absolute trash devices and support.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_Mobility

imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 Jul 05:07 next collapse

Been using Moto since Z1 and would say that their phones are fine. $200 for a phone that lasts 4 years is a decent deal.

dcooksta26@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 05:44 next collapse

I think Moto’s are a pretty good budget friendly phone. Sure their update policy is lacking, but the Moto G Power or Moto G Stylus phones come decently equipped. Plus you can still get expandable storage and headphone jacks.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 17:47 collapse

Trying to find a 2025 moto g stylus currently. Recently rediscovered hired much I enjoy a headphone jack. Headset runs out of power? Plug in and continue. Also expandable memory wouldn’t have lost me hours of recording that I won’t ever get back because my phone got a little wet and shit the bed

macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 08:33 collapse

This is false. Lenovo has some of the highest marks for reliability, customer service, and upgradability; not to mention price.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 17 Jul 01:54 next collapse

The big problem with anything not Google or Samsung is, as it’s always been, software support. You get 2 or maybe 3 years of updates and then the device is trash. So you can save a buck on the short term but it will cost you more in the long run and you’ll have shitty devices all the way along anyway.

You can buy a 2 year old Pixel for $2-300 and it will last you another 4-5 years (unless Google remotely nukes your battery).

paequ2@lemmy.today on 17 Jul 04:22 next collapse

You get 2 or maybe 3 years of updates and then the device is trash.

Yeah, I’ve noticed this as well…

… which is why I was surprised when I read that Nothing Phone 3 will get 5 years of updates + 2 years of security updates.

androidauthority.com/nothing-phone-3-software-upd…

Nothing’s Co-Founder and Head of Marketing, Akis Evangelidis, has confirmed that the upcoming Nothing Phone 3 will ship with a “5+7” software update promise. …likely means the phone will get five years of Android version updates and seven years of security patches…

Although, you can’t install GrapheneOS on Nothing phones… so, 🤷

Ulrich@feddit.org on 17 Jul 05:11 next collapse

Yeah that’s great news. Esp. considering it’s an $800+ phone.

anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz on 17 Jul 05:25 next collapse

With the new sustainability laws in EU they have to offer 5 years of updates from the sale of their last unit.

The Ecodesign Regulation lays out minimum requirements for mobile phones, cordless phones and tablets to be sold on the EU market to ensure

  • greater resistance to drops, scratches, dust and water
  • use of more durable batteries, capable of at least 800 charge cycles while retaining at least 80% of their initial capacity
  • clear rules on disassembly and repair, requiring manufacturers to supply key spare parts within 5-10 working days, and for at least 7 years after the product model is no longer sold in the EU
  • longer availability of operating system updates, at least 5 years from the date the last unit model is sold
  • fair access for professional repairers to the software or firmware needed for repairs

…europa.eu/…/new-eu-rules-durable-energy-efficien…

utopiah@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 07:37 collapse

clear rules on disassembly and repair, requiring manufacturers to supply key spare parts within 5-10 working days, and for at least 7 years after the product model is no longer sold in the EU

Wonder how if there is an equivalent that applies to eBike. Been waiting for my CowBoy belt since February now. Do not recommend. No more “designer” eBike now, I’ll only buy bikes with the most standard parts.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 17 Jul 08:10 collapse

isnt graphene mostly pixels only.

noodlejetski@piefed.social on 17 Jul 09:24 collapse

it's not "mostly", it's only available for several latest Pixel generations.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 17 Jul 19:16 collapse

It’s not the “latest” Pixel generations, devices as old as the Pixel 4 receive extended support (although it’s obviously not recommended) and that’s mostly because Google does not support them. This will be greatly improved moving forward, since Google has promised much longer update cycles for new devices.

Gibibit@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 05:42 next collapse

Just because it doesn’t have latest Android doesn’t mean it’s trash. And Fairphone also aims for 7 years support just like your Pixel example.

hikaru755@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 06:35 next collapse

It doesn’t need to be the latest android version per se, but I wouldn’t want to use a phone that’s not getting security patches anymore

Ulrich@feddit.org on 17 Jul 06:54 collapse

Not having security updates makes it effectively trash, as far as I’m concerned.

TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 07:13 next collapse

All phones that are sold in the EU now have to have 5 years of updates after the phone is no longer sold.

Basically, all phones have 6+ years of updates now.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 17 Jul 07:56 collapse

You realize there’s a whole rest of the world that’s not the EU?

TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 19:01 collapse

Oh my fucking god, really?!

You’re so smart, that never occurred to me. I thought that there was only 27 countries in the world, and all of them were in one continent!

Yes, I do realise that, genius. I’m not from an EU country myself.

However, I engaged my brain cells and quickly realised that most phones that exist are sold in the EU, and therefore the OEM has to make and test these updates anyway. In virtually all cases they will then release these worldwide.

Like how the EU mandated USB-C and now it’s worldwide. The EU has quietly become the market that sets international standards over the past 20 years.

I know it seems like I’m being mean in this comment, but fuck me it’s the most Reddit comment ever. A pointless comment just begging to start a pointless argument. Nobody can be bothered with that trolling shit. Do better.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 17 Jul 19:11 collapse

the OEM has to make and test these updates anyway. In virtually all cases they will then release these worldwide

I wouldn’t be so sure. There’s a vested interest in NOT shipping them outside the EU. It’s called planned obsolescence. Just looks at Macs and OCLP. It’s so easy to keep older Macs updated that it’s actually able to be done by some random developers in their free time (not to trivialize this effort, just to say that it would be extremely trivial for Apple as the developer of the OS and one of the most profitable companies in the world to do it). And yet Apple does not ship these updates to them. Why? Because they want you to buy new shit and they know not doing so will render them virtually useless in a short time.

I know it seems like I’m being mean in this comment

You are just being mean and extremely rude. It’s completely unnecessary and I’ve done absolutely nothing to deserve such language. You are actively making this community shittier.

TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 06:56 collapse

Be rude, someone is rude to you back. Boo hoo.

Trying to bait people into absolutely pointless arguments makes the community shittier.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 18 Jul 07:10 collapse

I wasn’t being rude. That was only you. And since you continue to do so, you can have this argument with yourself. Goodbye.

No1@aussie.zone on 17 Jul 23:16 collapse

anything not Google or Samsung is, as it’s always been, software support.

Motorola.has 5 years on most of its new phones nowadays

apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 02:12 next collapse

Fairphone just released the Fairphone 6.

Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 17 Jul 06:45 collapse

Unfortunately for the EU only.

Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub on 17 Jul 08:55 next collapse

EU only

Ebay it is. Bands are what matter. If it picks up Tmobile, Tello and the like, who cares who’s market it’s for?

But really, for me, it’s still Android. It’s just a band-aid on the bigger problem of reliance on Google.

kalpol@lemmy.ca on 18 Jul 00:16 collapse

Well AT&T banned the (better) international models from their network a while back. They work fine. Just banned.

apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 16:04 collapse

Not true, it can be bought in the US at Murena’s website.

Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 17 Jul 16:11 collapse

Cool! Last tine I checked out wasn’t there. Must have been added recently.

MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 04:35 next collapse

Besides Nothing Phone, you’ve got Fairphone (sustainable/repairable), Sony (great cameras), Asus (gaming focused), Nokia (budget-friendly), OnePlus (speed/value), and Xiaomi (if you can import) all working to varying degreees in the US market - tho carrier compatibility can be trickly so always check bands before buying.

utopiah@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 07:35 next collapse

Daily driving the cmf with /e/OS from Murena for few months now, warmly recommended.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today on 17 Jul 08:08 collapse

i have oneplus12r this my first non-pixel phone, you might want to visit the oneplus sub to look for other peoples experience. if you are looking for good deal on phones, online stores like swappa is a good start. i like the battery life of it. midsize cost, if your looking for budget , you can go motorola series, i did consider it at first.

dukatos@lemmy.zip on 17 Jul 13:19 collapse

Motorola is full of bloatware. Can not recommend.

The hardware is fine, though.

AbidanYre@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 01:29 next collapse

Up until about two weeks ago I could use wallet on my rooted pixel with lineage and play integrity fix.

Some recent change on their end and it doesn’t work at all anymore. I guess they don’t want to know what I’m buying.

CCMan1701A@startrek.website on 17 Jul 02:54 collapse

i hard heard people use a smart watch to get nfc payments working

jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jul 04:27 next collapse

Stroke posting

edgemaster72@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 04:49 collapse

I think what they were trying to say is “I heard people use an Apple watch to get NFC payments working”. I’m not confident that answer=Apple (also I have no idea if that would actually help), but it’s the best I can come up with.

GuillaumeGus@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 17 Jul 04:57 collapse

Android watch maybe.

pineapple_pizza@lemmy.dexlit.xyz on 17 Jul 06:02 collapse

Garmin would work and isn’t iOS or Android based

DJDarren@sopuli.xyz on 17 Jul 07:03 next collapse

I bought a Garmin to accompany my Graphene Pixel, only to discover that my bank doesn’t support Garmin Pay.

So, MagSafe wallet attached my phone it is then.

Apytele@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jul 07:45 next collapse

I just hope the new pebble supports a Sim card soon but I’m not holding my breath. I just want talk, text, and a calendar. Music or a matrix app could be cool too so I can run beeper or similar through it. Other than that I have a tablet or laptop and tbh I’m thinking my next tablet when this one finally dies or I maybe give it away would be a remarkable or other epaper device. My coworkers are starting to think I’m a Luddite but whatever.

CCMan1701A@startrek.website on 18 Jul 11:18 collapse

Does the PayPal the wallet work?

DJDarren@sopuli.xyz on 18 Jul 11:25 collapse

On the phone itself? I don’t think it does. The Wallet app doesn’t work at all for NFC payments in GrapheneOS, because Google are shit heads.

the_crotch@sh.itjust.works on 18 Jul 11:03 collapse

Garmin makes shock collars. They’re more evil than Google or apple.

Khrux@ttrpg.network on 17 Jul 08:08 collapse

I’m trying to make my own smart watch as a hobby experiment at the moment, and one of my most important features is NFC payments. It’s a nightmare, although I understand why. Currently my plan is to buy another smart watch or smart ring and take the NFC chip from it, which is maddening, but more or less my only option due to contactless payment security.

To do contactless payments, your bank must effectively permit the specific device, otherwise go through GPay or Apple Pay, who in turn just do the permitting themselves. Anything outside of the standard ecosystem just gets overlooked.

The best workaround while avoiding these companies is to find a smart watch or ring that has compatibility with a proxy card, such as Curve. But beyond halving the price of the accessory, this is pretty much an arbitrary decision.

SeeFerns@programming.dev on 17 Jul 04:03 next collapse

I really want to try a pinephone or something with Ubuntu touch. It’s likely not daily driver ready but I’m still curious at how far along it is.

utopiah@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 07:33 collapse

Can’t speak for Ubuntu Touch but tried PostMarketOS on PinePhone and PinePhone Pro.

The PP works well, good support for most things included SIM, camera, BT, etc but it’s big and bulky, also IMHO not powerful enough for Waydroid so no Android apps, “just” Linux. Relying on the browser to avoid using app is rarely practical as it’s too slow.

The PPPro being more powerful should cover the gap… but some lack of support, specifically the camera, makes it tricky as daily driver.

Both PP and PPPro don’t have great battery and/or power management so you can go through a day of usage, barely, and you might get stuck in a cycling loop if you depleted it entirely. That means also as daily driver, if you are not very cautious, it’s tricky.

So… we are nearly there but unless you have a very VERY minimum usage of your phone, basically a dumb phone with a bit of CLI to remote connect to your own server from time to time, it’s probably not practical for now.

Maybe the Liberux NEXX thanks to its power would have closed the gap but the failed crowd funding campaign shows that price point does not have a market fit right now.

Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub on 17 Jul 08:45 next collapse

So… we are nearly there but unless you have a very VERY minimum usage of your phone, basically a dumb phone with a bit of CLI to remote connect to your own server from time to time, it’s probably not practical for now.

…and, that’s me.

I gave up on my phones. There’s no way to remain connected to the modern world and my own without just keeping everything off of my phone and using it entirely in stock NPC mode. Trackers? Adware? Malware? Doesn’t matter, I only use it for calls, banking apps and cash apps. How do I access my personal, more 1337 haxxor shit?

Laptop, although I can do a lot of work over ssh on phones and use things like syncthing and nextcloud to get around the ecosystem, still, but for the most part, I’m back in 2007, baby! We’re carrying messenger bags! We don’t care!

utopiah@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 17:49 collapse

banking apps and cash apps

Unfortunately that’s prevents from switching to Linux proper over (hopefully deGoogled) Android.

Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub on 17 Jul 22:10 collapse

You just need a window into their world.

Carry your Linux phone and tether it to an old android, install what you need and turn it off.

carry two things, like some kind of asshole that carries two things!?

When I was 19, we all carried cameras and mp3 players around too. It’s hardly a stretch.

SeeFerns@programming.dev on 17 Jul 15:53 collapse

Thanks for the write up! It honestly sounds like it’s be fine for me. My iPhone is already extremely bare and stripped down. I barely use the camera too, so like, idk I don’t feel like I’d be missing much?

If I could buy a super cheap used one for testing, I’d do it. I’m waiting for my iPhone SE to die on me anyways before making the switch.

utopiah@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 17:47 collapse

If by any chance you can be in Brussels for a bit, I can lend you mine for a while to test.

SeeFerns@programming.dev on 17 Jul 19:48 collapse

I appreciate that! I’m in the states unfortunately

utopiah@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:25 collapse

Can’t easily help there. Maybe you can find someone local who could help. Best of luck.

usernameunnecessary@lemmy.zip on 17 Jul 04:28 next collapse

Unfortunately the Android experience is getting more and more bloated and users’ freedom to tinker with their phones or sideload apps is getting more and more difficult. The Play Store is riddled with more ads than useful content. Just try searching for something, and oftentimes more than half of your screen is ads.

I’ve been with Android since the start and I hate what Google is reducing it to. It pains me that the only viable alternative is Apple and I feel trapped.

semperverus@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 05:04 next collapse

Support devices like the Liberux Nexx or the pinephone, especially if you are a developer!

unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de on 17 Jul 06:42 next collapse

Long term you should look out for Waydroid compatible devices. Basically linux devices (smartphones, tablets, pcs) that run android containers very close to hardware so you can run your important android apps while not having to rely on the mess that android is for everything. There is a GApps version too if you need google shitware for some reason. Ubuntu Touch (smartphone os) is one of the most prominent to implement it. Personally i hope to eventually just get rid of my phone and only have a laptop with a sim-card and waydroid.

Rivalarrival@lemmy.today on 17 Jul 08:40 next collapse

F-Droid is a decent replacement for the play store. Lots of FOSS and less-enshittified apps available.

chaosCruiser@futurology.today on 17 Jul 11:08 next collapse

Tried to rely fully on F-droid several years ago. That experiment went just fine until I needed up update the apps. Turns out, there wasn’t a simple one button solution to that. I had to manually update each and every app one by one. Is it any better these days?

TonyOstrich@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 11:20 next collapse

Unattended updates for everyone, 1.19 is here f-droid.org/2024/02/01/twif.html

chaosCruiser@futurology.today on 17 Jul 11:25 collapse

That happened in 2024? About time! Sounds like F-droid is actually becoming viable.

TonyOstrich@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 12:51 collapse

I could be completely wrong as it’s outside of my areas of competency, but my understanding is that the functionality was harder to achieve because of some technical reason due in part to Google/Alphabet fuckery. So another day ending in “y”.

Routhinator@startrek.website on 17 Jul 12:00 collapse

Try the Droidify app. I find it better than the main FDroid app.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 18 Jul 04:52 collapse

Unfortunately many of the apps needed just to exist as a member of society are only available in the Play Store.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml on 18 Jul 15:40 collapse

Aurora store front end works fine no Google account needed.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 18 Jul 16:02 collapse

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. And even when it does, it still requires Google’s spyware to be installed on your device.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml on 18 Jul 17:18 collapse

Only certain apps require play services, aurora store itself requires no play services. Just the potential for the apps you are trying to use. I’ve used F-Droid and aurora for years.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 18 Jul 17:42 collapse

I’ve used them both for years also (along with Accrescent and Obtainium). You’re not wrong, Aurora Store itself does not require Play Services, but most of the apps do. Like I said, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. The biggest problem is that you can’t receive notifications without Play Services. Even supposed “private” apps from the likes of Proton and Signal do not support UnifiedPush. Despite the Android system itself being mostly open, the vast majority of developers do not make their apps available outside of the Play Store without Google services. And many of them are now being encouraged to use proprietary attestation from Google as well. Since the vast majority of people simply do not care, the developers don’t either. The best solution I’ve found is to create a work profile and keep all the apps that require Play Services in there.

The point is, it’s not nearly as simple or easy as it’s made out to be in the above comments, and FDroid is most certainly not a “replacement” for Google Play Store.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml on 18 Jul 18:47 collapse

I do the same thing. Keep multiple profiles and just run sandboxed play services. It works fairly well. The only exception to not having play services is if you allow the app to run unrestricted in the background to always stay connected and fetch notifs. But it does drain battery 10 to 15 percent for just signal throughout the day depending so I can imagine it grows as you were to do that with more and more apps.

chaosCruiser@futurology.today on 17 Jul 11:18 next collapse

We’re all trapped. If you’re not using either Android or iOS, you’re pretty much screwed.

Technically, you can use one of the alternate phones, but the software support still leaves a lot to be desired. You can get most basic things working, but when it comes to crucial deal breaker apps like anything involving payments or banks, it gets a lot trickier. The world has become increasingly dependent on mobile phones, and if your phone can’t handle train tickets, mail deliveries, restaurant reservations or pay your bills, it suddenly becomes very difficult to live in the 2020s.

More and more hardware also depends on specific iOS or Android apps, and those apps may also require GAPPS or some OEM Android. At some point, it just isn’t worth the hassle, and it becomes easier to pick either one of the toxic platforms everyone else is already using.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:43 collapse

I feel like the standard should be two phones. A disposable ‘banking’ phone: tiny, no camera, no speakers, small SoC, just the absolute bare minimum to live.

…And then a ‘media’ phone without all the enshittification.

chaosCruiser@futurology.today on 18 Jul 19:33 collapse

Basically a lot like what my work phone is for now. It’s just phone calls (yes, those still exist in the B2B world), SMS, Teams, and Outlook. Literally everything else happens on my work laptop. Most of the time, my work phone just pretends to be a wifi router + 4G modem. On remote days, the battery drains super fast, but when I’m at the office, the phone battery lasts way longer than you could reasonably expect. Then again, I don’t really use that phone for anything, so I guess that’s why.

I think I could do that with my personal stuff too. Get a nice laptop and prioritize using that for everything. Maybe I would end up using the phone like once a day at most.

wise_pancake@lemmy.ca on 17 Jul 15:34 next collapse

Play Store is truly vile to use. It just feels gross and scammy and like a mine field of low quality slop and scam apps.

iOS isn’t great either but it at least feels a whole lot better. The iOS store needs the ability to report fraid which it doesn’t sort until you install an app.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:39 next collapse

The iOS store needs the ability to report fraid which it doesn’t sort until you install an app.

That’s probably to reduce brigading? Android and iOS are infested with all sorts of fraduelnt marketing techniques like fake reviews, and mass fraud reporting for competition sounds like another.

redhat421@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:42 collapse

My experience with the iOS app store years ago was worse than Android. Searching for apps that were not chock full of spam was useless. I had to research the apps outside of the store then find direct links to them due to clones with the same names.

I have no idea why Apple and Google allow so much hot garbage in their app stores.

PushButton@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 01:22 next collapse

Funny enough, having Microsoft making the Windows Phone again would make a 3rd player, and maybe some competition in the market.

I don’t know many companies that have the resources to fight in this arena right now…

buddascrayon@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 10:54 collapse

Is there no Linux for mobile options currently available?

Turret3857@infosec.pub on 19 Jul 00:14 collapse

Your options are mostly UBTouch and PostmarketOS. Due to how PMOS is designed, it doesnt fully function on the phones it supports. UBTouch does work well due to the ability to use a driver compatibility layer with android IIRC, but you still have the issue of needing a phone that can support it. (I think the latest pixel UBTouch runs on is the 3?)

also, the security model of mobile linux is nowhere near what android is. Things that keep android secure like verified boot are not yet implemented on linux phone OSes AFAIK

jjjalljs@ttrpg.network on 17 Jul 04:32 next collapse

Google should be broken up and its leadership fined into oblivion for anti competitive behavior

Flukas88@feddit.it on 17 Jul 06:14 next collapse

Sadly iOS is not much better

Mwa@thelemmy.club on 17 Jul 08:48 next collapse

true

chaosCruiser@futurology.today on 17 Jul 11:07 next collapse

But is it even slightly better? It’s debatable. Both are completely awful, but I guess iOS is just terrible in different ways.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:47 collapse

My last iPhone was a iPhone 5. Or 6, maybe?

Fast forward, and I’ve been on Android until right now, when I got an iPhone 16 in a loss-leader sale.

…And I am astounded by how much worse it is. My old jailbroken iPhone’s UI was both simpler and 100x times more customizable and useful than all these bizzare required gestures; I spent days trying to teach my Mom and grandpa how to use it, to no avail. At the same time, its as uncustomizable as ever.

I had basically every feature the 16 has now, like the action button, and more. And it somehow feels slower in browsing than my SD845 Android 9 phone.

It wasn’t perfect back then, but the App Store is flooded with garbage now.

I literally want my iPhone 5 back. WTF has Apple been doing?

chaosCruiser@futurology.today on 18 Jul 19:25 collapse

They’ve been busy reading the history books to find out what Android did 4 years ago so that they can start developing those same features today. Any remaining time and effort went into creating vacuous marketing hype.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 19:27 collapse

Irony is Android felt way more intuitive, including to my non techy family, even in the worst case (EG Samsung devices with their spammy UI).

JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 03:32 collapse

You can’t sideload on iOS at all.

Flukas88@feddit.it on 18 Jul 08:10 next collapse

In eu you kinda can for some degree

chaosCruiser@futurology.today on 18 Jul 19:26 collapse

Would be really curious to find out how that works. Got any good sources?

Flukas88@feddit.it on 19 Jul 16:08 collapse
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 18:44 collapse

You can, but it is a pita. Having to buy dev certs and sign the .ipa file, etc. But technically, if you really want to, you can.

Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jul 06:19 next collapse

Google keeps making everything worse.

Bongles@lemmy.zip on 18 Jul 00:10 collapse

It’s telling how incompetent they’ve become when their LLM AI is the absolute worst one, including mechahitler before that update.

Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 18 Jul 08:34 collapse

I like Gemini a lot and use it often, but I did disable it for web search.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net on 17 Jul 06:38 next collapse

Two most important open source projects right now are PostmarketOS and Servo.

Valmond@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 07:29 next collapse

I’m on hyperos and every time I have to touch anything pure Google I feel like I’m on a windows PC.

Don’t get me wrong, hyperos isn’t a pinnacle of freedom, but all I do with my phone is basically using Firefox and take photos (+ signal, & SMS) and use the lichess app.

It’s so infuriating, they steal our data, but just needs more. I’ll try a Linux FOSS system next phone.

ter_maxima@jlai.lu on 17 Jul 07:33 next collapse

Linux phones will hopefully fix that soon(ish)

some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 07:42 next collapse

It’s gonna be the year of the Linux phone, I can feel it!

Mwa@thelemmy.club on 17 Jul 08:48 next collapse

the ecosystem is so weak at this time, So maybe in the future it will improve?
Ik you can run Android apps via a container or smth

mannycalavera@feddit.uk on 17 Jul 09:32 next collapse

It’s the year of the Linux phone!

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip on 17 Jul 09:50 collapse

PostmarketOS using Waydroid for the neccessary apps, anyone has experience to share?

macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 08:31 next collapse

Still use my Windows Phones with Windows 10 Mobile as my daily drivers. Best OS to date.

Rivalarrival@lemmy.today on 17 Jul 08:38 next collapse
domi@lemmy.secnd.me on 17 Jul 09:40 next collapse

I loved my Lumia 1520, but it just doesn’t hold a candle to a modern Android phone with LineageOS installed. Both in functionality and in privacy.

rozodru@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 11:31 next collapse

one of the best products Microsoft ever produced. I absolutely LOVED my old Lumia. great phone, the OS was perfect, just an awesome all around phone. wish I still had it.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:55 collapse

Eh, even if they got it right and more popular, it would have enshittified quick.

midtsveen@lemmy.wtf on 17 Jul 09:24 next collapse

Android has always taken the approach of it being developed in private and then having the full sources and commit history published for each stable release.

We’re going to be moving forward under the expectation that future Pixel devices may not meet the requirements to run GrapheneOS.

Many companies and individuals are trying to mislead people about the future of GrapheneOS to promote their insecure products and services.

European authoritarians and their enablers in the media are misrepresenting GrapheneOS and even Pixel phones as if they’re something for criminals.

REDACTED@infosec.pub on 17 Jul 09:43 next collapse
oaklandnative@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 18:19 collapse

Thanks for these, especially the “we’re not going anywhere” link. I was hesitant to switch because I was worried about future support on my Pixel 7. Here’s the full quote for anyone that didn’t check the above link:

Many companies and individuals are trying to mislead people about the future of GrapheneOS to promote their insecure products and services. GrapheneOS is not going anywhere. We’ve made it clear we’re shipping Android 16 soon and that the supported devices will remain supported.

majster@lemmy.zip on 17 Jul 09:36 next collapse

MS keeps making Windows worse but that is not a problem because Linux is great on PCs. The reason is that PC is made out of standardized plug&play components that you can make generic OS image for.

There is no such thing in smartphone world. Each chipset is it’s own Linux fork that gets only most crucial bug fixes while in warranty. Same is true for ARM SBCs where I believe the only board that supports generic image are new RPis.

Natanael@infosec.pub on 17 Jul 13:26 next collapse

Both ARM itself and Linux for ARM has been standardizing a fair bit recently. But not to the extent to be fully generic, mostly just enough for portable bootable kernels - and after that you still need all the same custom drivers and configurations to make proper use of a SoC, but it’s not nothing.

linuxgizmos.com/ebbr-spec-to-bring-standardizatio…

majster@lemmy.zip on 18 Jul 09:12 collapse

The article is 7 years old. Has anything come to fruition since then?

Natanael@infosec.pub on 18 Jul 11:33 collapse

Last update in December

github.com/ARM-software/ebbr/releases

flop_leash_973@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 18:40 collapse

The reason is that PC is made out of standardized plug&play components that you can make generic OS image for.

Yep, given the history of consumer technology as a whole it is really more amazing that the standard PC became a thing more than it is that people put up with what phones are today.

We all really owe a lot of gratitude to Phoenix for reverse engineering the IBM BIOS back in the day, and going to court to fight the IBM copyright lawsuit that resulted, as well as Compaq and all of the other IBM compatible clones.

BilboBargains@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 15:48 next collapse

The obfuscated nature of compiled code does an incredible amount of heavy lifting on behalf of shareholders. Imagine a world where x-ray specs suddenly revealed source code. The flight to open solutions would be irresistible. Windows is hot garbage but it clings to its market share like a limpet, through the magic of closed source, occupying space like a flabby tumour. It doesn’t care if it kills the host because the top priority is growth and an unassailable market share. That’s the magic of capitalism.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:37 collapse

Honestly I don’t think many people would care? Until the security holes became intractable, I guess.

Its proven Android phones are doing awful stuff, even client side, and has that slowed them down?

Zink@programming.dev on 17 Jul 17:31 next collapse

I find myself using desktop Linux more than my mobile device, even on the couch with the family. Monitors on arms that can swing out of the way ftw. No cute advice for keyboards though. We have wireless ones around but I still use my wired Deck Legend on my lap. It’s an old mechanical keyboard that’s built like a tank, with the PCB literally mounted to a sheet of metal that is mounted inside the housing, lol.

It’s almost a shame, because smart phones are still absolutely amazing to me as far as the amount of scientific and technical advancement that can fit in the palm of your hand. But I look forward to the open options various parties are working on.

Canuck@sh.itjust.works on 17 Jul 17:39 next collapse

Mobile GNU/Linux is getting better, but I think it is 5-10 years out from what’s needed. I suppose people need to adopt Desktop first. The nice thing is you can install Android apps including Google Play on it natively, and they appear in your app drawer like a regular app

douglasg14b@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 18:28 next collapse

It’s a bit of a catch honestly.

OSS/community Linux graphical environments have kind of always been ~5 years out from what’s needed. 15 years ago they were behind ~5 years, 5 years ago they where behind ~5 years.

The only difference is today. I think they’re only behind by ~3-4 years thanks to the backwards movement of things like Windows and OSx staleness.

Mobile operating systems are in a worse place.

TeddE@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 22:06 next collapse

I just saw KDE Bigscreen got reboot. While it’s not exactly the same (its for TVs, like Android TV and Steam Big Picture mode), it’s nice to see major desktop environments(DE) adopt new UI features for small and large devices. This compliments work done by groups like PinePhone, who laid the groundwork for Linux phones.

NikkiDimes@lemmy.world on 17 Jul 22:31 next collapse

you can install Android apps including Google Play on it natively

What whaaaat? I didn’t know this! Thanks for the tip

LodeMike@lemmy.today on 17 Jul 23:12 collapse

Yeah how the hell do you do this?

Canuck@sh.itjust.works on 18 Jul 07:43 collapse

Waydroid, Anbox, etc

LodeMike@lemmy.today on 18 Jul 07:46 collapse

Which do you recommend? How well does it work? :)

Westlyroots@pawb.social on 18 Jul 08:40 collapse

Waydroid, it’s the wayland continuation of anbox. From what I’ve seen and used, it’s very good. It’s good enough for most mobile apps including gaming. Some linux phone manufacturers even make it a point to integrate waydroid by default to allow you to use android apps just fine

NikkiDimes@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 21:53 collapse

Hell yeah, now I can waste my time on DuoLingo outside of the toilet!!

seralth@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 09:58 next collapse

Unless they get NFC payments working on it and banking apps. It literally will never matter.

The single most common thing phones are used for at this point outside of entertainment is payments and banking.

piyuv@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 10:20 next collapse

What’s wrong with tapless payment with cards?

StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 18:16 next collapse

Nothing, but many users have already migrated to using stored payment information on their phones.

sexybenfranklin@ttrpg.network on 18 Jul 23:54 collapse

When you use apple or android pay, it generates a temporary card number etc and uses that, which means if that payment terminal gets compromised, your card number etc isn’t exposed. Your bank could probably do something similar without Google or Apple as the middleman, but until they do, mobile pay will remain a killer app.

Canuck@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jul 08:42 collapse

There are Google Play Android bank apps (mine works fine), and you can use mobile sites as dedicated app drawer icons. Their mobile site is top notch.

NFC payments won’t come anytime soon to native GNU/Linux, but I don’t use them. Maybe Google Wallet works, I haven’t tried and don’t know if NFC can be passed through to Waydroid. OnePlus 6 is the best supported originally Android phone for GNU/Linux, someone with that would need to test.

I just have my card in a silicon sleeve on the back of the phone and I get the same effect. I’d rather Google not have my purchase history anyways.

jabjoe@feddit.uk on 19 Jul 07:12 collapse

My big problem is banks and satnav.

SatNav need traffic info and there is none, so their routes are bad.

Banks require apps to even use their website for “secure codes”. Those apps try to detect ROMs and refuse to run, not even really being Android is going to make passing that harder.

Let alone random things like parking apps where the app is the only way to pay.

This is a political problem as much as technical. Competition is basically dead. We need government to step in and make competition possible. But they are in big tech’s pocket and the status quo suits them too. Voters either don’t care or believe what big tech says. It’s a mess.

Canuck@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jul 08:34 collapse

Satnav there is Pure Maps (OSM client), which can connect to sources like HERE to get traffic data to provide voiced guided turn-by-turn instructions. Of course there is also all the Android apps like Google Maps available, and their mobile site works fine.

On the topic of mobile sites, you can also install them as dedicated app drawer icons via Gnome Web & Firefox PWA for any site.

This means if your bank app doesn’t like vanilla Android, GApps, you can use a comparable dedicated web app.

For parking, I’ve found a surprising amount have mobile sites, so I don’t need to install their bloaty Android app onto my GNU/Linux phone.

jabjoe@feddit.uk on 19 Jul 14:18 collapse

Good to know. I’d really like to try a proper Linux phone as a daily driver.

No1@aussie.zone on 17 Jul 23:24 next collapse

The stupid attempt to have everyone leave bluetooth always on pisses me off. They’ve made the BT quick tile 2 more presses to toggle on or off is ridiculous. It’s not a quick tile.

I’ve just put a BT on/off widget on my home screen.

Eagle0110@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 09:15 next collapse

There is an Xposed module to replace the tiles back to a simple on/off toggle, for both BT tile and WiFi tile.

You need to grab your control back lol

Also if you don’t have root on your personal Android devices these days… lol may Google have mercy on you lmao (hint: they won’t lol)

Turret3857@infosec.pub on 19 Jul 00:09 collapse

root is a security risk on many security focused ROMs.

See the 4th reply in this GrapheneOS thread

and this from CalyxOS’s FAQ

If you can link the xposed module though I wouldnt mind making a feature request and asking for the module itself to be integrated into their forks.

yopyop@sh.itjust.works on 18 Jul 17:48 collapse

Could you develop on “attempt to have everyone leave bluetooth” ? What do they want us to use instead ?

Opisek@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 17:54 collapse

“[…] leave bluetooth always on”

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 18 Jul 00:04 next collapse

2 days ago I moved from GrapheneOS back to Stock Pixel in my 8 Pro, just to see what all the hype about the new android 16 in Pixel is about. Jesus, this is way worse than I remember. i tried it for 2 whole days, and that shit just won’t allow me to have ANY control over my phone. It’s fucking ridiculous. On Android 15 I was able to uninstall Google Drive, Meet, Youtube, and many other Google apps, this time around all it would allow was “disable”. What’s next, removing the ability to disable (which I don’t trust anyway)?

Fast forward to today, I’m back on GOS, and my anxiety levels are down again. This shit is insane, and I honestly can’t understand why anyone would put up with this crap.

kilgore_trout@feddit.it on 18 Jul 07:54 next collapse

Most users want those installed, anyway.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 17:34 collapse

That’s a really lousy excuse in support of enshittification.

How do you know most of users want that?

Even if most of them do, that still negatively impacts literally millions of users who don’t want that.

Most is anywhere from 50.1% to 99.9%

So what are you actually saying? Because you aren’t being very precise.

Most people want to engage in hetero sexuality, so everyone who didn’t shouldn’t get to?

That’s the same logic you are using, I highly doubt you would agree that all non hetero relations should be discarded and given a giant middle finger. If you do feel that way JFC go touch grass or whatever

brucethemoose@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:34 next collapse

this time around all it would allow was “disable”.

This has been par for other OEM-flavored Android phones for years, unfortunately.

Disable is alright, not that the phone itself isn’t a privacy nightmare in other ways.

redhat421@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 13:36 next collapse

Those apps are installed in the squashfs image. Such images are write once, read many and thus they can’t be mutated at runtime.

PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 14:02 next collapse

Well who made the decision to put non-system apps in the system partition?

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 18 Jul 15:56 collapse

I know, and that’s exactly my point. They used to be in the user space, now they are in the system partition. They CHOSE to do this.

redhat421@lemmy.world on 20 Jul 07:51 collapse

Yeah. That’s a good point. I don’t know why anyone would put any frequently updated app in squashfs.

I guess you can use the app right after you factory reset even if you don’t have much data which might be something? Are updates smaller since they’re just deltas?

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 20 Jul 12:01 collapse

In all honesty, I have no idea. I didn’t give the stock firmware enough time on my phone to check on anything other than the amount of tracking and the move to the system partition.

As for the reason for putting them in this partition, I’m sold on the idea that it’s to keep the levels of invasion as high as possible while removing the user’s options to get rid of them.

Lemmyrick@lemmy.zip on 18 Jul 16:19 next collapse

Thanks for the anecdote now i know i can just stay in gos

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 18 Jul 20:25 collapse

Please do stay on GOS. I already suffered for 2 days for the whole community.

Tattorack@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 17:59 next collapse

I’m stuck with Google. No aftermarket OS supports my phone. :(

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 18 Jul 20:28 collapse

May I suggest you give RethinkDNS a shot? At first it’s kind of convoluted to configure, but once you have it set up the way you want, it’s smooth sailing from there.

github.com/celzero/rethink-app

Passerby6497@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 22:24 collapse

I’ve been considering moving to GOS because of all the Google shenanigans, but I need to make sure everything works since my job means I have dozens of MS authenticator entries for various admin tasks. I really want to try it out, but can’t afford to have to rebuild all those entries on a new system (and the notifications not work)

jjlinux@lemmy.ml on 19 Jul 12:23 collapse

I had to use MS Authenticator for work and it worked in GOS, notifications and all. Now, that was about a year ago, and I haven’t tried it since. At the speed GAFAM are enshitifying everything, there’s a chance it doesn’t work anymore. I keep a Pixel 8a stock for banking and some other apps that I need (such as EV charging networks) and won’t work or are unsustainably wonky on GOS. As I mentioned in another post, RethinkDNS is worth it, but it does take some trial and error to get it to work without breaking stuff I need, but once I got there, it was all good (that’s how I keep the 8a less intrusive).

paraphrand@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 00:41 next collapse

Maybe it was better when Android phones didn’t get updates. Eh? 😉

dutchkimble@lemy.lol on 18 Jul 16:09 next collapse

The best thing about switching to an iPhone is that I use my phone way lesser

Patches@ttrpg.network on 18 Jul 18:00 collapse

I can’t tell what this is a dig about. Less Apps available? Less required maintenance time? Less Notification spam? Or?

But I’m all for it.

Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 18 Jul 19:00 collapse

I can offer an answer as a former lover of android (12 years)…

I used to do all of the phone modding/flashing roms etc. it was like I could never be just satisfied with my phone. After years of this, I got tired of the nagging in my head to improve it. So, I switched to Apple, and it just works and I don’t feel as though I’m missing out on anything.

So, yes I don’t have to be on my phone all of them time other than when I actually need it.

dutchkimble@lemy.lol on 21 Jul 05:36 collapse

Yep, mostly this. No more tinkering, whether it’s all the way to flashing roms etc or just trying out which alternatives I want to use for a dialer or sms app etc. definitely less notification spam too.

whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 18 Jul 18:36 next collapse

It’s almost like the organization itself is designed to make things worse if it means short term profits, useful and appreciated apps sacrificed at the altar of line must go up

My pixel 5 recently broke and the only reason I went with a pixel 9a was to install grapheneOS on it as soon as I got it. The process has become way easier than it used to be. After setting up/skipping all the first run screens I plugged it into another Android device and used the grapheneOS site to run the install, took like 15 min.

mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 19:40 collapse

hows your experience with graphene? Better than stock? I heard they have a sandboxed Google Play store now, so getting apps is even easier.

whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 18 Jul 20:10 collapse

So far it’s been good for about a week. Highlights have been the easy install, secure by default but lets me override when I want (block app network access on install is awesome), and getting access to the other app repos than Google’s I haven’t seen since I installed dirty unicorns years ago. I setup multiple users so I can keep my primary like a root which was also simple to do.

Only complaints I have are when I get messages on another user than primary I can see the messages in the app but not the message content in the notification, its just a generic alert message like new messages received. Nice to have but not going to make me switch back. And the keyboard doesn’t have swipe typing so I use gboard with network access turned off.

Also I did install the Google app store to get a couple paid apps and calendar/contacts I need to move out of Google. It does sandbox by default which is really cool and i think should be required for phone manufacturers. I just disabled services/store/calendar access to the network after I let it download everything.

Edit: also not a OS thing but I tried switching VPN to orbot/tor at the same time and it is still really unreliable for that use with the way so many sites try to sniff out your location

witten@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 02:30 next collapse

Only complaints I have are when I get messages on another user than primary I can see the messages in the app but not the message content in the notification, its just a generic alert message like new messages received. Nice to have but not going to make me switch back.

I haven’t confirmed it, but enabling “Sensitive notifications” or a similar setting might fix this. Although it is more secure in theory not to have your message content visible on a locked screen.

Also I did install the Google app store to get a couple paid apps and calendar/contacts I need to move out of Google. It does sandbox by default which is really cool and i think should be required for phone manufacturers. I just disabled services/store/calendar access to the network after I let it download everything.

FYI you can use Aurora Store instead to download from Google Play, and even use it anonymously. It’s sometimes buggy, but IMO the tradeoff is maybe worth it.

mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 03:56 collapse

do you have the ability to remove whichever apps you dont like?

The user notitication makes sense, i guess its more secure. Btw, so everytime you switch user, you have to restart?

whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jul 10:00 collapse

Yes, and it comes with very few by default as well

No restart needed, pull down twice and the switcher is on the bottom right. Usually takes just a couple seconds to switch.

mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 10:36 collapse

thats nice to hear. I thought you need to restart to change profiles.

You’re on the 9a right? How is the battery under Graphene? I used to have the OG Pixel (codename sailfish) and try different roms on there, but the battery is just terrible.

whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 19 Jul 13:40 collapse

I’m still feeling that part out since it’s only been about a week, a full charge can last me multiple days (5100mAh) and the battery in my pixel 5 (4080mAh) was pretty run down.

Fully charged 25.5hr ago & pretty heavy use yesterday and I’m at 63%, the 5 would have been twice dead by now.

eleefece@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 19:35 next collapse

Maybe we should start resurrecting symbian

Turret3857@infosec.pub on 19 Jul 00:02 collapse

or just start pooring support into PostMarket or UBTouch

forrcaho@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 19:43 next collapse

I’m thinking about getting the new FairPhone 6 when it comes out and running /e/ OS, but I’m so reliant on Google Maps and Gmail (my email account, not necessarily the app … but I do rely on the app).

I’m afraid that I’ll either install Google apps and end up with a phone just as compromised as a stock Android install, or if I don’t it will be too much of a pain in the ass to use.

witten@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 02:44 collapse

There are Maps alternatives. For instance, Organic maps or the fork CoMaps. Not nearly as good UX as Google Maps… and zero traffic data available… but the upside is they work entirely offline.

jabjoe@feddit.uk on 19 Jul 07:01 collapse

Organic Maps is great in many ways. It’s maps are so much better. But the lack of traffic data is a killer for route planning in the UK. All the open source maps suffer this. There needs to be open access traffic information for there to be competition.

witten@lemmy.world on 19 Jul 16:04 collapse

As far as I know, traffic data is gathered via spying on users—Google Maps and similar apps sending device location to a central cloud service. Maybe somebody could provably anonymize the data somehow to make an alternative service for the open competitors to use.

jabjoe@feddit.uk on 19 Jul 16:08 collapse

That’s what we need.

witten@lemmy.world on 20 Jul 04:38 collapse

codeberg.org/comaps/comaps/issues/84

jabjoe@feddit.uk on 20 Jul 06:52 collapse

Interesting. Fingers crossed!

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 22:39 collapse

Tried to restart my fairly new Pixel phone a couple days ago by holding down the power button, but instead of showing the Power menu it prompted me to ask the Digital Assistant something. Excuse me? I don’t remember enabling that. Every other phone I’ve ever had, holding down the power button has always been the way to power down or restart. I had to search Settings to find how to configure the power button to control the power. Or course maybe I could have asked the Digital Assistant - but fuck that.

ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 22:46 next collapse

So, how do you power it down?

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 22:52 collapse

In Settings you select Power as the function of the Power Button instead of Digital Assistant. Then the power button works like it should.

ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 22:53 collapse

Sure, but what did they expect you to do before making that change.

crusty@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 18 Jul 23:03 next collapse

On android the off button is on the quick settings, and on iphone you hold the power button and one of the volume buttons

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 23:06 next collapse

No idea. Presumably they expected me to figure out the settings and change it like I did. Or maybe I could have told the Digital Assistant to restart the phone, I dunno.

aekre@lemmy.world on 18 Jul 23:16 next collapse

On my P7Pro, pressing power and volume up simultaneously brings up the shutdown/restart/lock prompt

M0oP0o@mander.xyz on 18 Jul 23:28 collapse

Well that is shit.

01189998819991197253@infosec.pub on 19 Jul 02:45 collapse

It’s designed as an always on device. They expected you to leave it always on. Wankers

bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works on 18 Jul 23:37 next collapse

Yep, this is how they trick people into inadvertently using their shitty ai Spyware. Welcome to the future, yay. Fuck Google and Samsung.

Turret3857@infosec.pub on 19 Jul 00:00 collapse

grapheneos.org

calyxos.org

e.foundation/e-os/

lineageos.org

be free

MML@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jul 00:27 next collapse

Graphene is the only one that gets rid of webview right?

Turret3857@infosec.pub on 19 Jul 03:05 collapse

What do you mean by webview? If you mean the entirety of webview then no ROMs do that AFAIK. android would be broken without it. If you mean replace Google’s webview with their own version, I’m pretty sure all the ROMs I listed there do it. I didnt fact check it though so feel free to prove me wrong

MML@sh.itjust.works on 19 Jul 05:07 collapse

The second one, it appears you’re correct

oskin@lemmy.world on 20 Jul 00:54 collapse

i’m currently using redmi note 13 pro, can i install any of these OS?

Turret3857@infosec.pub on 20 Jul 03:21 collapse

Yes, with a heavy grain of salt.

First- it seems like a huge pain in the ass to get your bootloader unlocked (a locked bootloader can not have custom ROMs installed) Relavent XDA thread

Second- None of the ROMs I listed officially support your device it appears. However, there are other ROMs available for the device. I can not speak to their reputability or trustability. XDA thread of various ROMs available for the device.

The only ROM I listed which can be used on your device is an unofficial LineageOS port.

A great place to look, ask, and get help is at the XDAForums for your device. They usually have helpful and friendly people who can help you as long as you read their previous relavent threads first.

If at some point you are looking to replace your current phone, a good place to look for recommendations is CalyxOS’ modern devices page. The reason I recommend using CalyxOS’ device page over something like Graphene’s is because in many parts of the world Google’s Pixel is not available. Calyx includes devices that are easier to get such as some Motorola’s, and other OEMs on a best-case basis.