Elon Musk admits X 'may fail, as so many have predicted' (www.businessinsider.com)
from gsa4555@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 18:21
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autotldr@lemmings.world on 20 Aug 2023 18:25 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Meta launched its X rival called Threads on July 5 and quickly amassed more than 100 million signups, Time magazine reported, citing data from Sensor Tower.

Musk’s efforts to purge the platform of bots and turn it into a “super-app” don’t yet appear to be working.

Activist Monica Lewinsky urged him and CEO Linda Yaccarino to “rethink” the move.

as an anti-bullying activist (and target of harassment) i can assure you it’s a critical tool to keep people safe online.- that woman

as an anti-bullying activist (and target of harassment) i can assure you it’s a critical tool to keep people safe online.

In May Fidelity wrote down the value of its stake in the company then still known as Twitter, giving it a value of about $15 billion – or just a third of what Musk paid, The Wall Street Journal Reported.X didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment from Insider, made outside normal working hours.


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MaxPower@feddit.de on 20 Aug 2023 18:25 next collapse

“Here’s 44 billion USD, I might fail though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯”

Genius.

MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml on 20 Aug 2023 19:43 collapse

Especially because he could have bought it for so much less.

superkret@feddit.de on 20 Aug 2023 18:26 next collapse

!enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world

applejacks@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:21 collapse

very ironic to create an entire community about the person you hate.

heartlessevil@lemmy.one on 20 Aug 2023 19:25 next collapse

To hate on them, obviously.

superkret@feddit.de on 20 Aug 2023 19:28 collapse

It’s so that people who want to read up on Musk drama can do so, and everyone else just needs to ban one community and isn’t annoyed by this shit in every single tech community every time Musk breathes.

applejacks@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:32 collapse

I agree about being annoyed by it, but these enough XYZ spam communities are built to attract people who don’t want to hear about XYZ.

It makes no sense.

WarmSoda@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 20:17 collapse

They’re created for the opposite reason. So people that want to read about it can go there, and the rest of us don’t need to see it 24/7

applejacks@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:47 collapse

No one who likes Elon musk is going to visit a community call EnoughElonSpam.

If that was the actual goal, call it MuskNews or something.

WarmSoda@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 01:25 collapse

You still, still are missing the point. If you’d like we can have a third person explain it to you again.

Vlyn@lemmy.zip on 20 Aug 2023 18:41 next collapse

Because he’s doing everything to make it fail and destroy the platform, isn’t it obvious?

PeleSpirit@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 18:53 next collapse

I truly think this is all his fucking up, nothing else. He was trying to take away features that probably align with the people who gave him money, but had no idea how to make it work and make money and is desperate. Desperation makes you even more stupid.

Clent@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:06 next collapse

I don’t see the conspiracy.

My assumption is the investors immediately got what they wanted. They are not stupid.

Money men don’t hand over money to these front men based on promises. This isn’t a Hollywood movie. There was an immediate pay off.

They got SpaceX stock.

aricene@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:18 next collapse

Investors will absolutely hand over money to front men making bad, even obviously insane, promises, though. People are always more easily manipulated than they like to believe, but people who’ve convinced themselves they’re infallible titans of industry are even more vulnerable to it. (Especially the ones who think that they see through the scam and won’t be left holding the bag.)

PeleSpirit@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:20 next collapse

I didn’t say it was a conspiracy. I said they gave him money after he was already fucking up by paying around 30 billion more than it was worth, firing all the people that did stuff, and generally being a bad CEO so he would do what they want. More of a typical business deal really.

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:41 next collapse

Actually they may not be worth much either.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYURUiOjZSw

Thunderfoot has spend a lot of time analyzing most things Musk, and SpaceX specifically does not have a market (TAM) to achieve what they claim.

Arbiter@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:45 next collapse

Money men get conned so fucking often it isn’t even funny.

Sarcastik@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 06:22 collapse

So you’ve never heard of theranos or we work?

originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com on 20 Aug 2023 21:30 collapse

the only not-on-purpose piece was him having to buy it. idiot was forced to buy twitter, and then turned it into a "lets burn down a bastion of liberal speech" amongst his friends. he knows he wont suffer in any conceivable way, the saudis who fronted a huge chunk get what they want.

this was all setup shortly after he was forced to buy it. every step he has made since is in the playbook of "ruining your business", including mistakes he has personally made before.

be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 18:54 next collapse

Because he’s doing everything to make it fail and destroy the platform, isn’t it obvious?

It is tremendously obvious, I agree. At one point it felt kinda hyperbolic to say, but not for awhile now.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to be able to speculate what's in it for him, but it's 100% obvious that's what's being done.

Vlyn@lemmy.zip on 20 Aug 2023 19:03 collapse

He might call him self pro free speech, but he actually hates it (as long as it’s not his own free speech). Getting rid of Twitter is a massive blow to free speech. One less platform where he and his companies can get outed and criticized on.

BobKerman3999@feddit.it on 20 Aug 2023 19:41 next collapse

I subscribed to the conspiracy theory of the banning of the jet tracker

some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org on 20 Aug 2023 19:43 next collapse

It’s less nefarious than that. He wants to be a championed business leader. He’s just a fuck up who was forced to buy a platform that he never actually intended to buy (except for maybe a couple of days when he first suggested it). Sure, it will help his side when he runs it into the ground, but that’s not his intent despite being the cause.

severien@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:34 collapse

Twitter was becoming another walled platform (not being able to read the content without being logged in) even before Musk’s take-over.

I’m happy for any walled platform to fail. IMO they have no place on internet.

BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 18:55 next collapse

I keep thinking there must be some high level plan here to destroy twitter for the good of humanity. I mean it’s that or Elon actually just is that stupid. At this point the latter seems the most likely …

o_oli@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:07 next collapse

If he was destroying it for the good of humanity he would have to somehow destroy the concept of it rather than a single platform.

Probably best spending 40 billion on education in the harm social media can do lol.

I really do think he’s just delusional. I won’t call him an idiot because there is clearly intelligence and talent in his head, but he’s gone off the rails in some capacity whether it’s mental health issues or power crazed or who knows.

BaronDoggystyleVonWoof@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:15 collapse

It’s probably drugs. He changed a lot the last few years.

SIGSEGV@sh.itjust.works on 20 Aug 2023 19:16 next collapse

Definitely.

ChrisLicht@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 19:34 next collapse

You answer jibes with what I have seen plenty of while working with and funding serial entrepreneurs in the Valley: micro-dosing, coke, molly, steroids, random herbal shit, off-label usage of pharmaceuticals, trendy nootropics, blood transfusions, ayahuasca, and Adderall.

Defiant@lemmy.cafe on 20 Aug 2023 19:38 collapse

Lay off the Kava Elon!

gnuhaut@lemmy.ml on 20 Aug 2023 19:49 collapse

No he hasn’t. The management of the old x.com (the one that got bought by paypal) threatened to walk if Elon wasn’t removed from the office. He was always this incompetent.

Transcendant@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:10 next collapse

You’ve got it back to front imo. Twitter was a useful tool for disseminating info, whether for protest movements, political movements, whatevs. Pre-Musk, there was a degree of control on twitter re disinfo, harassment, hatred etc. Now, it’s no longer a useful tool for leftwing people to gather and share their thoughts; it’s no longer a useful tool to disseminate information; it’s no longer a tool for rallying protestors.

Look at who invested (Saudi kingdom); look at when Musk took it over (mid-terms); it seems pretty obvious to me that the takeover was a very expensive purchase to make the actions of oligarchs & despots that much easier.

Deftdrummer@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:03 collapse

Wah, every other platform is a left wing mouthpiece. But you want your cake and to eat it too? Listen to yourself.

You’re free to “make your own” website. Remember that?

jcit878@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:17 collapse

you can always go to “truth social” or whatever that crackpot cooker platform is called if you want a safe space

MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml on 20 Aug 2023 19:34 next collapse

Never ascribe to malice what can be ascribed to stupidity.

lolcatnip@reddthat.com on 20 Aug 2023 20:45 collapse

A bad rule of thumb. Weaponized incompetence is a thing.

Deftdrummer@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:02 next collapse

Twitter was not the golden bastion to humanity you think it was.

BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 20:48 collapse

That’s my point. In theory Elon realized how toxic it was to public discourse and sought to destroy it.

If you look at his actions and the actions of a competent person trying to destroy the platform, they are virtually identical

kool_newt@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 20:32 next collapse

What if Elon was encouraged to buy twitter by people who knew he would fuck it up in short order for them?

If you want to take down a corporation, there’s two main ways right now. Have Elon take charge, or have Ken Griffin short them into the cellar.

lolcatnip@reddthat.com on 20 Aug 2023 20:44 collapse

What about Elon Musk makes you think he’d do anything for the good of humanity?

squiblet@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 19:06 next collapse

That was my original thought when he came on and immediately fired 75% of the staff. It's not some savvy slimming down or cost-cutting. It was more like a wrecking ball.

It was fairly clear that his overall desire was the make the platform less useful for liberals and more for conservatives. It seems like he is content to destroy it if he can't achieve the latter.

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:35 next collapse

No, you don’t throw away $44 billion just for shit and giggles, not even if you are as rich as Musk. Musk is (probably) a narcissist who thought he could make it work in his delusional mind.

He wanted a mouthpiece for the MAGA crowd, and he probably thought the desire in the population for it, would make it succeed, if he made the platform embrace that. He probably envisioned himself as a great liberator, who would be celebrated for bringing free speech back to America.

Musk has been losing it for a long time, and it seems to only get worse.

Astroturfed@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:01 next collapse

Who could of forseen brands not wanting to advertise over hate speech that would turn off half their customer base? I’d love screenshots of my companies products floating around next to seasticas and racism.

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:07 collapse

Yes that’s so strange, think of all the extra attention the controversies create!! I bet he planned to double the prices for advertising.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:23 next collapse

I think a lot of “hardware” people underestimate software. Historically, hardware was way more complex but the hardware problems have kind of been solved. There’s only so many ways to design a phone or laptop. Software, meanwhile, has only become more complex and challenging.

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:57 collapse

I agree, but I don’t see the point in this context?

The software to build and run Twitter, is probably not worth much besides for running Twitter. No Twitter means no value in the software for it either.

Intralexical@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 23:21 collapse

I agree, but I don’t see the point in this context?

I think they meant Musk thought managing development of the Twitter software would be easier than it was, given his prior… Involvement with Tesla and SpaceX.

I think a lot of “hardware” people underestimate software.

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:22 collapse

Ah yes, I can see that could make sense. But I think Musk considers himself as much a software guy as hardware, because he works with AI for Tesla. Putting him somewhat on the cutting edge of software too. Twitter should be child’s play by comparison.

Of course Musk has managed to bring Tesla from a competitive position to be way behind the main field, with just a few very stupid decisions. Mercedes, GM and Waymo are now way ahead of Tesla, and Nvidia and MobilEye are probably ahead too.

Of course Musk is now attempting to slow AI development overall, because he is way behind. With suggestions like preventing AI development until we have better regulation and understanding. He is trying to repeat how he stopped investments in public transport with hyperloop. Only this time with AI, because he is losing that battle badly.

reddig33@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 22:08 next collapse

He’s being bankrolled to keep it up and running for the next election. It will be interesting to see if the money runs out.

Jimmycakes@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 02:46 collapse

Nah Saudi money goes deep

steltek@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 01:35 next collapse

Also, I don’t think a narcissist would intentionally and publicly humiliate themselves the way Musk has done (Not a psychologist).

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:02 next collapse

Absolutely true, being humiliated is just about the worst thing for a narcissist.

An example of that, was when Elon Musk called the diver who actually rescued 13 children in Thailand a pedophile. Imagine that, calling the hero of the day a pedophile because you are butthurt!!

crate_of_mice@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 15:49 collapse

No they definitely don’t like to be humiliated, they probably feel that a lot more deeply that non-narcissists. But at the same time, they lack the self-awareness that would help them avoid getting into situations that would lead to humiliation.

dragontamer@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 13:55 next collapse

No, you don’t throw away $44 billion just for shit and giggles

Why not? Elon Musk is famously on ketamine, ambien, and a whole slew of mind-altering substances.

Given how the contract was written, and given how much Elon Musk fought against the contract, it was obvious that he made a short-term decision (likely while high on some substance), and then quickly regretted buying Twitter. Within a week or two, he started a court case to NOT BUY TWITTER, despite signing an ironclad contract.

In my mind, its really fucking obvious what happened. Elon Musk partied a little bit too hard with some mixture of ketamine+ambien+alcohol, it mixed weirdly in his brain and he made a bad decision. A few days later, when he sobered up a bit, he realized how shitty of a decision he made but it was too late to roll things back.


Everything else Elon Musk has done is just… shitty reputation management. He’s trying to convince the world he’s still got it, despite making a bad (possibly drug-induced) decision

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 19:13 collapse

He made a huge mistake, either because he was under the influence, or because he is delusional. That doesn’t mean he actually intended to throw out $44B just for shit an giggles. Obviously he didn’t when he sobered up.

MajorHavoc@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 03:41 next collapse

“He cannot be that self deluded.”

Narrator: He was.

diocan@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 22:10 next collapse

Your delusion is very strong, congrats

CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world on 22 Feb 2024 14:42 collapse

I wonder if he ever had it.

phx@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 19:42 next collapse

That’s like saying “my car may fail after I poured sand into the gas tank and replaced the electrical with speaker wires”

Astroturfed@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:24 next collapse

I think that’s obvious to everyone. But, if you’re claiming he’s doing it on purpose… That’s just some next level batshit conspiracy theory.

Vlyn@lemmy.zip on 20 Aug 2023 20:43 next collapse

Is it? He’s either a moron or he’s doing it on purpose. There is simply no other explanation.

At this point it’s just too many dumb decisions, if he had done absolutely nothing after taking over he’d be better off than he is now.

Astroturfed@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:46 next collapse

Delusional rich guy who’s nowhere near as smart as most people thought he was is the most simple explanation. He’s obviously got some kind of god complex and thinks he’s right about everything.

Vlyn@lemmy.zip on 20 Aug 2023 20:50 collapse

I mean he has been called a real world Tony Stark for the last decade. Maybe that went straight to his mushy brain and he is still on that high. Back in the day he listened to experts, now whenever he’s at SpaceX they employ “Elon handlers” who just nod to every suggestion and then try to get rid of him.

He got too much positive press and lost it.

Cabrio@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:47 next collapse

God knows how a wannabe Steve Jobs who bought into all of his companies ever got compared to Tony Stark.

zurohki@aussie.zone on 21 Aug 2023 00:36 collapse

He looked like a real world Tony Stark when he was surrounded by teams of smart people doing all the hard parts and PR for him.

What we’re seeing now is pure unfiltered Musk. He was probably always like this, but now he’s off the leash.

Meowoem@sh.itjust.works on 21 Aug 2023 02:00 collapse

If you look back at his ‘making us as multi planet species’ era he had a lot of the same traits but since buying Twitter it’s gone off the charts.

Probably because so many of his big ideas didn’t pan out, when he was talking about Tesla being about the production line not the car I was optimistic but his factories never scaled like they were supposed to, never really got where they needed to be and I think it became clear they weren’t going to get there.

I think he’s had a lot of ego damage and it’s messed with his head

BleatingZombie@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:51 next collapse

The first one. He’s stupid

stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 22:54 next collapse

Occam’s razor and all that. He is simply a low intelligence person with a fuckload of money.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:17 collapse

I mean… he is a moron.

jungle@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:02 collapse

Not sure I agree. I think it would be totally in character for him to want to destroy Twitter just because they forced him to buy it. He’s a petty troll and can afford to lose that money just to show them.

Astroturfed@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:07 next collapse

How does destroying it hurt “them” he already bought it? They cashed out way over the value of the company. If I was any major shareholder of Twitter that he bought out Id be gleefully laughing at him running it into the ground now that I’m no longer invested.

jungle@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:38 next collapse

True, I didn’t think it through. I stand corrected.

zurohki@aussie.zone on 21 Aug 2023 00:38 collapse

Spite isn’t rational.

orion2145@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 00:20 collapse

I think in the end he will want you to believe that. And will be glad if you do.

notapantsday@feddit.de on 20 Aug 2023 23:45 next collapse

I don’t know. The way it’s going down, it really makes him look like an idiot. He could have just flipped the switch and turned it off as a massive demonstration of power.

Instead he’s making one mindboggingly stupid decision after another, showing the whole world how utterly incompetent he is.

The most logical explanation for me is the easiest one: if he’s making stupid and incompetent decisions, maybe he’s just stupid and incompetent.

Meowoem@sh.itjust.works on 21 Aug 2023 01:34 collapse

You’re saying the guy that has done nothing but look like a total fool for years could actually be a total fool? By the gods, I think you’re onto something!

chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 00:01 next collapse

People told me I was crazy when I said he bought it to shut it down. Look who he hangs out with, people with a fuckton of money who hate free speech. Very powerful people who control media empires and run oppressive regimes.

He might be stupid, but the people pulling his strings aren’t.

Steeve@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 02:45 collapse

Like others have said, bullshit. He’ll drive it into the ground and pretend that was his plan the whole time, like he’s some undercover genius three steps ahead of everyone, when really he’s just constantly playing catch-up with his narcissistic outbursts.

ugjka@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 18:48 next collapse

He can still turn it into a porn app

PeleSpirit@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 18:55 next collapse

Make it a hook up site, might as well. He can do financial transactions like he wanted to.

Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi on 20 Aug 2023 23:18 collapse

Honestly, might’ve been better off trying to turn a porn site into an everything app. The internet was built on porn after all.

DrQuint@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 03:01 collapse

Thank you for reminding me that the company best set to compete with YouTube is PornHub.

celmit@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 18:49 next collapse

“The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.”

be_excellent_to_each_other@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 19:08 collapse

“The only real mistake is the one from which we learn nothing.”

I wonder this a bit as folks flock to Bluesky. I mean, Threads is just right out there, but Facebook always has been so that demographic was going to be there anyhow. The people flocking to Bluesky because they don't like Musk had better hope Jack Dorsey doesn't turn out to be nuts now, right?

I feel like this whole debacle should have pumped up the various bits of the Fediverse more than it has.

squiblet@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 20:33 collapse

Dorsey really trusts Musk's "mission to extend the light of consciousness", which I think says enough.

KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml on 20 Aug 2023 18:51 next collapse

X? Can we collectively decide to forever call it “X, formerly known as Twitter” just to piss him off?

RozhkiNozhki@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 18:52 next collapse

I like the most recent The Verge variant: Twitter, X, or whatever it’s currently called…

snooggums@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 19:01 collapse

TwiX is unfortunately already taken.

Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi on 20 Aug 2023 23:16 collapse

Damn, I could go for a twix bar right about now.

kescusay@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:05 next collapse

I call it Xitter. The X is pronounced with an “sh” sound.

triclops6@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 00:24 collapse

Exitter is also a valid prononciation

mriguy@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:25 next collapse

Better to just call it “The site formerly known as Twitter” and don’t mention X at all. That would piss him off more.

kool_newt@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 20:37 collapse

“…posted on social media…”

mriguy@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 00:39 collapse

Ooh, even better!

loobkoob@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 19:29 next collapse

I saw someone on Mastodon say something along the lines of "I'll continue to deadname Twitter for as long as Musk continues to deadname his daughter" and I love that sentiment.

NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social on 21 Aug 2023 18:52 collapse

daaaaaaamn. That's brilliant.

grte@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 19:51 next collapse

Seems like it will be the website formerly known as existing soon enough.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:19 collapse

I just call it Twitter. Just like I call the (former?) rapper Kanye West. I don’t cater to the whims of the 1% if I can help it.

Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:03 next collapse

For the record, It wasn’t failing until Musk came in.

MammyWhammy@lemmy.ml on 20 Aug 2023 19:31 next collapse

It also wasn’t really successful before he came in either. It rarely was profitable and usually operated at a loss.

I mean Musk has seemingly made every bad move imaginable, I can only imagine the ideas he’s been talked out of.

squiblet@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 20:28 next collapse

It was losing money, but not much. They could have made some minor changes to make it profitable. However ~8000 people were making good salaries working for them, and tens of thousands of people and businesses benefited from the platform. Now it's much smaller, less useful, and still not profitable.

TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:05 next collapse

It was barely profitable but had some one time write offs that pushed it down. It should have returned to barely profitable. But a barely profitable company can become ok profitable with small changes.

kaitco@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:30 next collapse

Twitter’s success wasn’t monetary. The success came in allowing ordinary people their soapbox at a global town square.

Look at what happened to the price of insulin with a single tweet made back when all the blue checks were in complete free-for-all. A single tweet, made by a random person, thoroughly changed the shape of that one industry. Twitter gave “power” to the people, and those like Musk weren’t comfortable with that.

Intralexical@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 00:45 collapse

Ugh. This “global town square” nonsense needs to die.

Twitter’s business was selling ads. They don’t give a flying festerooni about fostering a healthy public discourse. Nearly every part of the technical and UX design was actively hostile to “the people” being able to express themselves in a meaningful way— The entire premise was a character limit that while fun also made it literally impossible to provide meaningful context or nuance to anything, and whether you were just scrolling or trying to reply to people, you never got to see anybody else’s honest opinions either but instead you were fed a carefully algorithmically curated drip of out-of-context ragebait and feelgood fuzzies designed only to keep you stimulated enough to keep on scrolling so they could report a higher number to investors in their next quarterly report and sell you to more ads.

The entire place was always an artificial environment designed to prey on and monetize your attention span; Unless you were replying to somebody you knew, it was never a place for any kind of authentic interaction, much less some kind of grandiose “global town square” that “gave power to the people”.

Twitter may have given certain individuals the tools at some points to trigger positive change. The insulin example was probably the best-case-possible outcome from Musk’s fumbling of the verification system, but it was an accident. And in the meantime, when Twitter does get used deliberately, it has spawned a terrorist group that has murdered and enslaved thousands of people, turbocharged the decline of the most powerful and wealthiest country in the world towards either autocratization or polarized paralysis, and fueled many, many actual full-blown civil wars. (This is what happens when your revolution isn’t built on solid foundations.) Plus, you know, all the harassment, stalking, rape and death threats, political interference, privacy concerns, mental health effects, and actual bots used by malicious actors (which reputable sources tend to estimate at tens of millions in number).

Twitter’s a corporation. They never cared about being a “town square”, only about being seen as such by users so they could line their own pockets. And Elon Musk is just an idiot. He’s not some scheming genius (though he clearly tries to be); he’s the same as any rich idiot discovering the hard way that no amount of ego will make up indefinitely for lack of competence.

It’s just the way they are, no silly conspiracies or battle between good and evil required. Twitter’s amoral, rather than immoral, and Musk is immoral, but it’s in a flailing self-destructive way rather than a conniving Machiavellian way. They’re acting out their nature, and we get caught up in it.

How many actual terrorist groups were we going to let this corporation create in their pursuit for profit before finally admitting that maybe the entire idea was bad from the start? Currently, the immoral idiot is destroying both his own credibility and also the amoral corporation for us all, and really, this is probably almost the best possible outcome.

timtoon@kbin.social on 21 Aug 2023 01:47 collapse

Thank you, finally. It was nothing more than the internet's comments section.

originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com on 20 Aug 2023 21:51 collapse

i was no fan of twitter, but it was on a path to achieve some financial stability. It had plenty of value as a mechanism to distribute emergency (or other) information quickly. was and had being the operative words here.

rayyyy@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 22:27 collapse

It isn't failing, Musk is failing.

infyrin@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:21 next collapse

LOL!

Somebody please do not tell him of the Fediverse. Let him believe that there is “no great social networks right now”.

Wait, wait! Musk, go to Reddit! Your admirer Spez would love to have you on board. You can pump your billions into Reddit, give Spez a comfy position where he won’t have to worry about money again and just fuck that place up too!

DeadNinja@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:25 next collapse

Musk tried to fix something that was not broken, and it almost always is a bad idea.

BleatingZombie@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:55 collapse

But he’s a rocket scientist and a computer scientist!! (\s he’s neither)

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:26 next collapse

In May Fidelity wrote down the value of its stake in the company then still known as Twitter, giving it a value of about $15 billion – or just a third of what Musk paid, The Wall Street Journal Reported.

I think even that was not realistic, and back in May things were not as bad yet as they are now at “The thing formerly known as Twitter”. I doubt anyone would buy it at even half that now. Musk added a debt of $20 billion, that’s about what it was worth at the time Musk bought it.

With that debt, the company became basically worth Zero. Even at the estimate when Musk bought it.

If the $20 billion debt was somehow removed, it would still be worth less than $10 billion. Meaning that its current actual worth is probably below negative $10 billion! Meaning the only value is the tax value of the deficit. And no creditors get paid. It’s basically already bankrupt, unless someone pumps in more money, and I’m not seeing that happening with a company as bad as “The thing formerly known as Twitter”.

Seems like the only way forward now, is bankruptcy and maybe reconstruction after selling the company without the debt for peanuts.

Rhaedas@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 19:38 collapse

Most of the value was probably with the brand itself. Which he then tossed away. Genius.

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:53 next collapse

Yes, and even the name is probably almost worthless now, he has massacred everything including the original name. It’s to bad, because the original concept was OK, and could probably have survived without the insanity Musk brought.

NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 21:16 collapse

I wonder what term will replace tweet... it worked so well. Oh I tweeted this last night...

People aren't going to say I X'd that last night. Sure you can say I posted something on X or I dunno, but I don't think they'll ever get something as good as tweeting on twitter.

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 22:06 collapse

I agree, you can’t create something similar easily, it’s like to “Google it”. Nobody would dream to say “Bing it” or “Yahoo it”. If they had achieved dominance instead of Google we might, but you can’t just change such things.

Even if X should become somewhat popular, to X it doesn’t really work.

So even with a new service as popular as Twitter used to be, it’s unlikely to replace the term “to tweet”. It could simply go back to “to message” IDK. That would work disregarding of platform name, but would lack the brilliance of tweeting on Twitter.

NotMyOldRedditName@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 23:23 collapse

Was just thinking on this more and had a laugh at someone saying this out loud

Them: "Did you see my X last night, i ripped them a new one!"
Friend: "You did what to your ex last night? Does your wife know!?"

Buffalox@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:04 collapse

That’s hilarious.

But I’m sure Musk thought that through before implementing the new name for the thing formerly known as twitter. /s

squiblet@kbin.social on 20 Aug 2023 20:30 collapse

That was a truly insane decision. Of all the annoying and idiotic things he's said, "Soon we shall bid adieu to the twitter brand and, gradually, all the birds" is way up there.

drapermache@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:35 next collapse

And somehow it’ll be the “woke mind virus’s” fault. There will be no self reflection at all.

spiderman@ani.social on 20 Aug 2023 19:53 next collapse

Stage 5: Acceptance

fubo@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 19:57 next collapse

“Everything was fine with our system until the power grid was shut off by Dickless here.” — Ray Stantz, Twitter engineer

WarmSoda@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 20:14 next collapse

It’s true. This man has no dick.

totallynotarobot@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:17 next collapse

He has like 18000 children.

Plenty of awesome people are dick-free, and being dick-ful in no way suggests competence or any other positive trait.

Edit: ITT: omg tech bros are so toxic Also ITT: dick measuring

Astroturfed@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:27 next collapse

Although unlikely, it’s possible he has testicles they harvested sperm from and doesn’t actually have a dick. Although, I think it’s far more likely he has a micro penis that’s barely functional, that he uses to impregnate women he’s somehow conned into tolerating him.

Texas_Hangover@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 21:44 collapse

You spend a lot of time thinking about this dudes genitals.

Astroturfed@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:57 collapse

You don’t spend nights awake wondering what Elons dick looks like? Guess I need therapy.

kool_newt@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 20:34 next collapse

I think it was a joke

getyarn.io/…/cfcee9b0-1b4f-49f0-b857-584bd28c119b

BleatingZombie@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 20:49 collapse

It seems like it was a joke. A joke that easily upsets women and anybody else without a dick. I’m not saying it upset me, but it’s very obvious to see why it would not be received well

TheGreatFox@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 21:28 next collapse

Dude what. How thin-skinned does someone need to be to get upset over a joke like that from a random person on the internet?

Cabrio@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:43 next collapse

I hope this is a joke, otherwise it’s offensive to anyone with a functional brain.

WarmSoda@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 01:27 next collapse

If it upset the people you claim it upsets everyone would have heard about how upsetting it was twenty years ago.

WarmSoda@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 03:06 collapse

Does it upset those people? Or are you just making shit up for no reason?

It’s a quick one liner from a movie in the 80’s. Please share with us all these people that have been upset about it since then.

Slagathor@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:10 collapse

Have you never seen Ghostbusters?

totallynotarobot@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 03:34 collapse

Legit no but apparently I’m the only one.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:16 collapse

GO TO A TORRENT SITE RIGHT NOW.

Auli@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 21:50 collapse

Hmm could be are all his kids invetro?

Countess425@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 00:25 collapse

Most of them are IVF/Surrogacy babies, I think.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:17 collapse

How did all of these people replying to you never see Ghostbusters? It’s criminal.

Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml on 20 Aug 2023 20:36 next collapse

Gee…who could have guessed?..

Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip on 20 Aug 2023 21:11 next collapse

Oopsie we repeatedly keep taking away you most valuable organizational tools

  • The 1%
yiliu@informis.land on 20 Aug 2023 21:45 next collapse

This take is exhausting. It’s like the political version of narcissism: here’s how everything that happens in the world is actually a conspiracy against me!

If Musk was a plant to sabotage Twitter on the behalf of the 1%, why would he have done it slowly with a series of increasingly bad decisions that caused a mass migration to distributed open-source platforms? Why not just flip the switch and kill it in one go? Or: why not start a program of bots to talk about how awesome Teslas are, and make Trump seem cool, while shadow-censoring criticism of Musk’s friend’s companies or governments?

You think They are competent and dastardly enough to plan a takeover of Twitter, but then too bumbling to make better use of it than slowly discrediting it with a series of half-baked ideas from a deranged and detestable front man?

Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip on 20 Aug 2023 22:06 next collapse

i implied no intent, you just filled in the obvious gaps and are upset about it.

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Jentu@lemmy.film on 20 Aug 2023 23:22 next collapse

Control is the game for people with money and power whether it is graceful or not. Some of what Elon has done seems like he wants to control the narrative around his jet. Some of what Elon is doing seems like he just wants to keep testing the waters to see how many people still use twitter after crippling the system. Like some sort of “I slap them in the face and they ask to be hit harder- that’s how much power I have over them. People are obsessed with me”.

I don’t think his goal was to kill twitter. His goal was to remain on everyone’s lips without his jet being mentioned. And if that’s at the cost of organizational tools being destroyed, so be it- in fact, destroying twitter has had more people taking about him than ever.

yiliu@informis.land on 21 Aug 2023 01:23 collapse

Yeah, I think that’s more or less right. Musk has gone off the rails, and is using his fortune as a cudgel in a fit of pique.

It’s our own fault that our “town square” was so easily taken over by a rich bully, though. I was warning people back in 2007 that depending so heavily on Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc, was a bad idea. People did not want to hear it. It’s hard to picture now, but people used to love those companies, and couldn’t imagine them doing harm. But like…it was inevitable.

We need to build on things like Lemmy, Mastodon, Diaspora, whatever. If you hand control of the town square to a corporation, they’re gonna control access and charge fees, and they’ll happily sell it to someone who wants to turn it into a mud-wrestling pit. That’s not the fault of the corporations–it’s our fault.

Meowoem@sh.itjust.works on 21 Aug 2023 01:32 collapse

Not to mention that the 1% already owned it.

Though if anyone is thinking of spending close to fifty billion to destoy a social network then call me - I’ll do it for a billion, or two.

Intralexical@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 23:09 next collapse

Twitter helped create ISIL, and also POTUS45. When actual autocracies see people even trying to organize on Twitter, they simply ban the whole site anyway. And it also played a major role in the Arab Spring, which while originally talking about high ideals like democracy, liberalisation, and human rights, is these days mostly notable for having ruined several countries for a generation.

In fact, that seems to be the trend: Twitter is very good at making its users feel like they’re organizing and making changes in the world, when in reality all that is being accomplished is/was inflating their own stock price and throwing outrage around with neither factual context nor a long-term plan to turn it into meaningful positive change. People were able to effect social change before Twitter, but they didn’t do it because they saw somebody’s sarky hot take for five seconds right before getting their dopamine hit with the “Like” button and then scrolling past it; they did it because they got sick of the way things were. The public-facing data should be kept around for historians and the rest of the curious, but Twitter was always primarily a predatory ad marketplace that gained relevance by being useful for propaganda, and we’ll all be better off with it gone.

EDIT: Musk, surely, did buy Twitter for the power and attention he thought it would give him. But he’s done it as a petulant, self-destructive manchild, not as some scheme to stifle public discussion— Twitter was already stifling public discussion, just because of what it is.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:16 collapse

Musk, surely, did buy Twitter for the power and attention he thought it would give him.

DIsagree. He was trying to do one of his many pump-and-dumps and he fucked around and got found out.

Intralexical@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 21:50 collapse

Fair. He talked about buying Twitter for the power and attention he meant to get from talking about it, both from the cryptobro fans and also any shady financial shenanigans. But he didn’t actually mean to go through with paying for it.

Murvel@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 22:09 collapse

For real!? I cannot think of a worse cancer than twitter/X and the horrific abomination that it is cannot whither away quickly enough.

What possible benefit has Twitter ever offered mankind?

heartlessevil@lemmy.one on 21 Aug 2023 04:17 collapse

@dril

kaitco@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:24 next collapse

I said this in another post, but I think it bears repeating:

Musk, whether he was paid to do this or not, is acting purposefully. This is all a grand scheme to fully dismantle what was once our global town square. Twitter was once a place where “the people” could hold politicians, corporations, and the generally wealthy accountable for their actions publicly. In the past year, the platform has become unsteady, blue checks are untrustworthy, and even the name has changed to something that causes one to pause.

I dislike the man as much as the next normal person, but all of this nonsense has been planned from the start. He’s not a complete idiot. These actions have been calculated steps to take away the voice of the people and eliminate a single source of truth as things get worse and worse.

TheGreatFox@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 21:32 next collapse

That is the result, but Elon is too much of a prideful idiot to do it intentionally. But it’s entirely possible some of the others involved were aiming for that.

Intralexical@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 23:27 collapse

It was the circus, not “our global town square”.

Mrkawfee@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:27 next collapse

Space Karen destroys Twitter.

solidsnake2085@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 22:20 next collapse

Good, shut it down. Time to end Twitter.

Yoz@lemmy.world on 20 Aug 2023 21:48 next collapse

Lol I hate him as much as you guys do but I think he’ll pull it off. Just like Tesla, spacex, solar city , he will make twitter work

collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de on 20 Aug 2023 22:53 next collapse

Or let it die for the lulz

Yoz@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 02:18 collapse

Yea he can do that too. He did say in one of the interviews that he doesnt care about the money.

hauntology@lemm.ee on 20 Aug 2023 22:13 collapse

Not many people are going to sign up to do their financial transactions through a social media site run by a narcissistic dipshit. And that is his ultimate goal with this x everything app nonsense. Zero chance it becomes, as he predicted, the biggest financial institution in the world.

All he had to do to make twitter work was… nothing.

tetraodon@feddit.it on 20 Aug 2023 21:58 next collapse

Oh no. Anyway.

orbitz@lemmy.ca on 20 Aug 2023 23:24 next collapse

So with wildfires in Canada there’s evacuation zones near me, but I can’t click on some announcement links from the main site that shows the evacuation zones because they go to twitter and you need to log in now. I think they show some on other pages on the site but they do the quicklink to the twitter announcement in the sidebar so you have to click around a bit to get to it. Yes I know the name but whatever. My point being is when the social media site that was meant for short bits of info isn’t good for emergency notifications where everyone can read, it’s shitty and potentially harmful.

PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works on 20 Aug 2023 23:47 next collapse

I’m sorry - as someone who has done some work with disaster response, this was one of my main concerns. When they threatened to take away NWS access to API without huge fees, I was honestly horrified. Thankfully they reversed that decision, but a lot of what my organization did was scour Twitter for official information and also personal accounts of folks who needed help/the conditions on the ground.

It is honestly a travesty that a resource such as this can be reduced to literal 💩 when people need it the most. I wish I had an answer, but I don’t. I hope more and more folks/orgs migrate to a suitable alternative(s) sooner rather than later, but the damage has been done. There’s always a percentage who never do, and you can’t fix that.

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 03:49 collapse

Governments should either be operating their own systems for this or, hell I don’t know, why not just spin up a their ready-to-go Mastodon instance or something else in the fediverse not subject to the delirious whims of a petulant muskrat born with daddy’s money?

LightningHaqeem@feddit.dk on 21 Aug 2023 10:11 collapse

Very much agree. I read that the Netherlands already did this!

Lon3star@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 00:36 next collapse

Regular effing Nostradamus

nutsack@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 01:03 next collapse

the guy didn’t even want twitter. the whole thing is depressing.

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 01:14 next collapse

Redditors not posting about musk for 5 hours challenge (impossible)

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org on 21 Aug 2023 09:39 next collapse

Cry harder

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 09:47 collapse

lol musk fanboy triggered

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org on 21 Aug 2023 09:52 collapse

No, and I’m not sure how that would work. You’re whining about musk being criticized and apparently think this is reddit so I guess being confusing is your thing

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:18 collapse

Keep going he will notice you someday

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org on 21 Aug 2023 11:57 collapse

Lol you think he gives his simps free blue check marks or something?

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 12:04 collapse

Thats the best part, you do it for free

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org on 21 Aug 2023 12:14 collapse

You’re the one sucking him off here.

“Oh God some strangers are picking on Daddy, time for me to shine.”

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 12:16 collapse

Yeah im the one who replied cry harder to someone who said stop mentioning musk, oh wait

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org on 21 Aug 2023 12:21 collapse

Yeah you’re really torn up you’re boy keeps getting called out. Cry harder.

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 12:23 collapse

Its ok reading isnt for everyone

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org on 21 Aug 2023 12:33 next collapse

You’re really sad Elon musk is being shat on, apparently yeah reading comprehension is hard for you if you think that’s hard to grok

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 13:08 collapse

grok, both reading comprehension and literacy of a 4 year old congrats true musk fan

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org on 21 Aug 2023 15:21 collapse

The irony is that this term was invented by famous author. LMAO what an idiot. Is it fun mining negative karma or something? Seems a pathetically sad life to me

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org on 21 Aug 2023 12:34 collapse

Lol you idiot, -900 karma

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 13:05 collapse

people caring about karma and musk news, yeah, im already on reddit

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org on 21 Aug 2023 15:22 collapse

Go back to r/conservative

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:19 collapse

Do you know what website you’re on?

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:23 collapse

Yeah reddit v2 apparently the musk obsessed fanboys migrated here if elon speaks I must be informed about it

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:26 collapse

Or, you know, he’s the richest man in the world running a social media site extremely popular with governments and the media and ignoring that kind of thing might be a bad idea.

Should we stop our “obsession” with other political topics? And this is a political topic due to the aforementioned governmental involvement, Twitter’s effect on world politics, and Elon’s own attempts to control U.S. politics.

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:28 collapse

Is this sub called US politics? My bad

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:29 collapse

Firstly, again, this is not Reddit. We don’t have subs here, we have communities.

Second, who are you to gatekeep? I don’t see an M next to your username.

magic_lobster_party@kbin.social on 21 Aug 2023 10:34 next collapse

This community is called technology, not politics.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:34 collapse

Implying technology is apolitical? I sincerely beg to differ.

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:37 collapse

Properly categorizing content = gatekeeping lmao, even if that was how the word works then by your logic not letting me call it sub is also gatekeeping. I understand you hearx a new word today but google it before using it, musk fanboys are something else

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:42 collapse

I didn’t stop you from calling it a sub, you just keep calling this place Reddit and using Reddit terms and you’re just plainly wrong no matter how rude you are to me.

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:48 collapse

Rude? Calling out your mistakes and using your own logic against you after you try to accuse others with it is rude? That means you perceive correcting your vocabulary as an attack to your character, tfw being illiterate is your personality. I pity you

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:52 collapse

What mistakes have I made exactly? And yes, you’re being rude. For example, you called me illiterate in the very same comment you were indignant about my calling you rude. In fact, I will give you one more insult and then I’ll block you. Specifically because this isn’t Reddit and I will not tolerate Reddit behavior from anyone I talk to.

synceDD@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 11:08 collapse

What mistakes? The word gatekeep? Aka the only subject of our last 2 exchanges? Youre either not paying attention or youre willfully ignoring my messages whatever. Falsely accuse someone, then double down and insult them when they call you out about it, literally elon musk behaviour congrats

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 11:19 collapse

And that’s insult number two. I did not insult you once. That is a lie. You are now blocked.

deft@ttrpg.network on 21 Aug 2023 01:59 next collapse

genuinely convinced he may have intentionally destroyed twitter to make the next presidential campaign operate on a different field.

sounds crazy but without twitter or reddit, how do “the youth” communicate? tiktok? insta?

phillaholic@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 02:29 next collapse

I’d say that’s stupid, but so is every other idea he comes up with for it so who knows.

LostMyRedditLogin@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 03:32 next collapse

There’s no reason to speculate his motives. It’s obvious he didn’t want to buy Twitter when he was forced by courts to buy it. He was being an idiot trying to manipulate the stock price. I know it’s hard to believe a multi-billionaire can be an idiot, but it happened. There’s no 4d chess move. Rich people are fallible as everyone else.

cjsolx@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 02:46 next collapse

Would that have been worth $44b?

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:14 collapse

It wasn’t worth that much when he bought it. At most, it was worth half that. One of the many reasons why Musk is a fucking moron.

ours@lemmy.film on 21 Aug 2023 10:45 collapse

It doesn’t help making an offer that was too high just so he could make a silly “420” joke.

Sodis@feddit.de on 21 Aug 2023 08:12 collapse

Big parts of the youth did not use twitter. Twitter had at its peak about 500mio active users. Instagram has 2.4 billion, tiktok 1 billion, snapchat 750mio. The relevancy of twitter is highly skewed, because the media used it a lot.

Wisely@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 08:28 next collapse

Wow crazy that so many people use those social media platforms. I have never used any of them.

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magic_lobster_party@kbin.social on 21 Aug 2023 10:27 collapse

I mainly use Snapchat just to keep the pointless streaks going. Never seen an ad in Snapchat for years.

MossBear@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 03:20 next collapse

The time of the Mastadon is at hand.

atrielienz@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 14:57 collapse

I need some other stuff to follow on mastadon. I mostly used twitter for writers and bands. And Gritty. Now I’m looking for stuff to follow on mastadon and coming up short.

MossBear@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 15:05 next collapse

I can understand that. It’s the sort of thing where to have something viable on the broad scale, Mastadon needs to have people invest in it before it becomes the ideal thing. More people, makes it more likely that the things you want to see on there will be on there eventually.

atrielienz@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2023 00:50 collapse

Yeah. Some people have given me pointers and I am very grateful. But considering I didn’t follow that many people on Twitter (I barely used it except for like book and album releases), I guess this is just my use case. Mastodon I don’t have to check but maybe like once a week or maybe every two weeks.

tony@lemmy.hoyle.me.uk on 21 Aug 2023 15:13 collapse

The canonical way to get loads to follow on mastodon is follow @lisamelton@mastodon.social - she’s basically a human version of the algorithm, and will fill your timeline with boosts.

z00s@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 03:39 next collapse

Sure it’s his money but does anyone else feel legitimately frustrated at all the good that this money could have done?

Rich dudes have always had vanity projects, but there is no grand concert hall or library or university to come out of this. Just a ruined company with millions of wasted hours of effort. For nothing.

LegionEris@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 03:55 next collapse

The horrific opportunity cost inherent to having a billionaire class.

kameecoding@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 09:03 collapse

Guillotine noises intensify

pgx@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 08:29 next collapse

The nice thing about our economic system is that value is rarely completely destroyed, the money he paid for Twitter didn’t cease to exist, it went to former Twitter shareholders.

They may be using it in more productive ways than he ever would.

SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz on 21 Aug 2023 08:36 next collapse

broken window fallacy

DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Aug 2023 08:40 next collapse

Consider whether Twitter was stifling some other growth. If you buy and burn down an advertising billboard, letting light into a market garden–perhaps that is beneficial.

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 09:15 collapse

Just to add a little explanation to those who don’t get it: the man-hours spent by people working for then Twitter now X as well as resources used, uktimatelly for producing no wealth, could’ve instead been spent for something that did produce wealth.

Same amount of input money either way, but one produces wealth (in the economic sense of the word rather than merelly monetary) and the other just wastes manpower and resources.

pgx@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2023 13:06 collapse

There has been value generated by Twitter that will outlive it though.

They established and refined an interface that other ventures like blue sky and mastodon are utilizing, and they delivered open source frameworks like Bootstrap will long outlive Twitter, and have brought value to the broader web development ecosystem.

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 2023 16:05 collapse

I was just explaning the concept of a “broke window falacy” (funilly enough without using the actual example that gave the name to it) and how work merelly being done is not a gain and can actually be a loss because of the opportunity cost (i.e. the people and the resources could otherwise have been used elsewhere and actually produce something of worth).

Also I was just thinking about the Musk-era Twitter rather than the entire Twitter timeline.

As you correctly point out, Bootstrap is something of worth (I would be more hesitant on the “interface” side, as I worked in web interfaces back when they started and that stuff is just derivative and not especially great).

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:12 collapse

They may be using it in more productive ways than he ever would.

They use it to reinvest and hoard. Because that’s what the investor class does, which is why they’re useless.

A2PKXG@feddit.de on 21 Aug 2023 08:55 next collapse

The money isn’t gone, it’s just changed hands

Prager_U@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 13:18 collapse

Money ain’t got no owners. Only spenders.

mPony@kbin.social on 21 Aug 2023 11:18 next collapse

millions of wasted hours of effort. For nothing.

aah, Social Media in a nutshell.

MajorHavoc@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 03:38 collapse

You make a great point. Let’s spend hours and hours discussing it to death here. ;)

Rubanski@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 12:30 next collapse

Definitely prefer the vanity projects of the past. Libraries, city halls etc

MajorHavoc@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 03:38 collapse

Yeah. X makes various things named “Rockafeller” seem downright “not a dumpster fire” in contrast.

Sarcastik@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 06:17 collapse

Hyperloop, boring tunnels, sending cars to space, etc

Stop me when you’ve heard enough to believe this guy has obvious disdain for all of us.

RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 03:43 next collapse

In the same way that car fails when you deliberately drive it 100mph into a brick wall.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:12 collapse

So you’ve got experience with Tesla’s autopilot function…

chowdertailz@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:23 collapse

Nailed it.

ImpossibleRubiksCube@programming.dev on 21 Aug 2023 04:15 next collapse

“There are no good social networks right now…”

OR MAYBE JUST NO ONE CAN STAND TALKING TO YOU FOR TEN SECONDS, MUSK.

ImpossibleRubiksCube@programming.dev on 21 Aug 2023 04:16 next collapse

To quote Amy from Futurama, “This is why you never see poor people with millions of dollars.”

popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Aug 2023 04:25 next collapse

Once it fails then someone will buy it cheap and rename it twitter.

Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi on 21 Aug 2023 08:35 next collapse

If there’s anything left to buy aside from tacky merch shirts. I’m sure the creditors will pick it clean and auction off the best bits to the highest bidder.

Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 21 Aug 2023 08:51 next collapse

Maybe, or maybe it’ll be another Bebo level disaster.

geno@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 11:46 collapse

…I guess it was indeed a disaster because I can’t remember even hearing that name before.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebo

originally operated from 2005 until its bankruptcy in 2013

It was announced in January 2021 that it would be returning as a new social media site the month after. By May 2022, it had once again been shut down, without having ever left beta testing.

cazsiel@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 13:20 next collapse

Can’t someone else just make Twitter now tho?

roboticide@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 17:16 collapse

Facebook tried with Threads but overcoming ecosystem inertia is hard.

MajorHavoc@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 03:40 collapse

Bingo.

And since won’t get back all the staff he dismissed; they’re going to have to just slap the Twitter brand on a Mastodon instance.

MeanEYE@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 10:01 next collapse

I wouldn’t be surprised this is him urging his cult to buy monthly subscriptions. If we see higher tier subscription be introduced one of these days, that would be the reason for this fear mongering. That said, it’s awesome that he’s getting a reality check. You can be surrounded by as many yes-men as you want but people en masse don’t care and even if they do, they love seeing rich people humbled. No one misses a good shitstorm.

fne8w2ah@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 11:46 next collapse

Best part was he tried to chicken out of his own deal but the feds obv wouldn’t allow him back off on his very own proposal to buy Twitter in the first place!

turbonewbe@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 10:55 next collapse

Took over Twitter. Ruined it. Then : “The sad truth is that there are no great ‘social networks’ right now,”.

drathvedro@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 11:07 next collapse

How did he ruin it though? I hear that all the time but I myself haven’t noticed any changes. Well, except for a logo but that’s very minor

JustZ@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 12:21 next collapse

Wtf?

dragontamer@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 13:38 collapse

I myself haven’t noticed any changes

So you haven’t noticed the 80% reduction in staff leading to incredible amounts of Twitter Downtime, the rise in hate-speech due to the firing of the moderators, the loss of mainstream advertisements, and the replacement with ridiculous low-quality advertising because the mainstream advertisers have grown concerned about the hate-speech?

And you haven’t noticed the increase in downtime as the website continuously crashes? The loss of the blocking feature? The inability to block Elon Musk specifically? (and how he keeps appearing on everyone’s feed even when you try to get rid of it?). The loss of API access?

Comment quality and overall quality of discussion has declined significantly on Twitter as well, as Twitter has fallen from top10 on the App/Play store to #55 or later, because it turns out that Americans are too stupid to search for “X” rather than “Twitter”. There has been a precipitous decline in the already crappy quality discussion.

Finally, Threads and Mastodon have sucked out many high-quality posters and sub-communities.


EDIT: Oh yeah, and this weekend a new bug has cause all media from all tweets older than 2014 to disappear.

c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 18:32 collapse

Twitter was never great, just reactionaries yelling about shit they only know 15% of.

OceanSoap@lemmy.ml on 21 Aug 2023 13:41 next collapse

I think he probably would have made it work. The death knoll was certainly changing the name to X.

Snapz@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 14:52 next collapse

“Man internationally, violently and repeatedly stabbing victim in the face now warns that victim may die of facial stab wounds.”

farken@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 13:55 next collapse

Can we start a gofundme to persuade him to take over Facebook?

CileTheSane@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 19:59 collapse

If we make Facebook to go to place to talk about Elon he’ll do it out of spite and narcissism.

Adderbox76@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 16:27 next collapse

Dying is the entire point of it. If it dies, it becomes infinitely more difficult for the authorities to subpoena tweet histories of certain orange pieces of shit and his cronies.

It doesn’t stop them from getting that history, of course.

But the legal rigamarole of trying to get tweet history from a company that technically doesn’t exist anymore (It’s X, not twitter), and later on no longer even functions (servers shut down), might just delay things long enough to make a difference in the upcoming shit-show.

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 21 Aug 2023 17:00 next collapse

So the conspiracy is that Musk paid like 20+B and the Saudis paid another ~10B just to keep Trump out of prison?

cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works on 21 Aug 2023 17:13 next collapse

I think the most logical explanation is that the Saudis paid Musk to kill it. Arab spring was organized on Twitter and a lot of Saudi dissidents were and are actively using it to expose and criticize their government.

roboticide@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 17:15 next collapse

And as if they didn’t already subpoena that information before actually filing charges either. They were already investigating for months before Musk bought Twitter.

This is one of the dumber conspiracy theories I think I’ve ever seen. Why are we attributing some clever political maneuver to Musk when it’s clear he just made an unprecedentedly stupid business decision?

c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 18:27 next collapse

The only “conspiracy” surrounding the Elon Twitter acquisition is his market manipulation strategies using social media.

This is just dumb as fuck, there’s no way he even cares about Trump let alone enough to devote billions to it. Billionaires don’t care about the president because they know their economic future rests in the Senate and potentially judicial branch.

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 21 Aug 2023 19:41 collapse

Yeah, my belief is he was trying to manipulate his Tesla stock through the Twitter offer. He thought he could get out of it (because the SEC doesn’t do jack shit and he always gets his way), but then when he realized this is (a big money play, where the other side actually has power too) different and thought well might as well buy the platform to make it more easy to manipulate the platform (making lemonade out of lemons).

Now he is starting to see that he is losing eyeballs and you can’t use a social media platform for market manipulation if everybody leaves. So just a bunch of desperate attempts to try to trap people onto the platform, all backfiring worse than the precious idea.

CileTheSane@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 20:02 collapse

That didn’t fit with his limiting how many tweets users are able to view.

Don’t attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. He’s an idiot with money.

dragontamer@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 20:42 collapse

That didn’t fit with his limiting how many tweets users are able to view.

The theory behind that is that Twitter failed to pay for their web-services and needed to suddenly cut traffic, otherwise they’d be shutdown by Amazon / Google.

After Twitter paid Amazon/Google, they raised the tweet view-limits appropriately, but the damage was already done.

circuscritic@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 20:20 collapse

So the conspiracy is that Musk paid like 20+B and the Saudis paid another ~10B just to keep Trump out of prison?

Think about it, it makes perfect sense.

Err… Actually, let me rephrase that:

Don’t think about it, it makes perfect sense.

Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works on 22 Aug 2023 03:32 collapse

They already got his DMs, what more could there be? Wouldn’t it make sense to just encourage Trump to use Twitter, create a TruthSocial group or something and then just shout “free speech” and change absolutely nothing. Lol that might have actually been profitable, as the media would play along as they have no where else to go. All Trump has to do is win the next election and he is golden. He will be dead by the end, and if not he could just fly to retire to some country with a slow extradition policy… or probably most small countries realistically as they wouldn’t want the political shit storm of dealing with complicated domestic-international politics

vimdiesel@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 20:27 collapse

They already got Trump’s DMs from twitter. Twitter actually fought it and had to pay a $350,000 fine for not turning the DMs over immediately. I think that Musk doesn’t like his fellow right wing cultists from being blocked/ignored by regular people and liberals. Hence his recent comment that he was going to remove the ability to block anyone on X. Of course lots of people immediately said that they’d leave because angry right wing stalkers doxxing them and such.

nutsack@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 16:33 next collapse

thanks for nothing you clown

Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works on 21 Aug 2023 17:02 collapse

I mean, Elon sucks, but I am kind of happy to hear Twitter might fully die. I’ve always hated the idea of forced character limits.

The world needs more critical and expansive discussion, not additional reasons to summerize and minimize important topics into long headlines.

DulyNoted@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 18:09 next collapse

I think it’s just a human problem. You or I may like to read long form journalism, but we’re in the extreme minority. It’s not dying because it was so hugely profitable.

Logistically too, if you’re trying to parse through the top 100 tweets in a day, and each one takes multiple paragraphs to get to the point, the amount of various viewpoints the average person is able to interact with shrinks dramatically.

Granted, it seems like everyone is taking the forced brevity as an excuse to just write +1 to pile onto their side, since that’s easier.

maniclucky@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 20:05 collapse

I feel like there has to be a medium between “Tweets that shoot context in the head” and “Autobiography attached to a macaroni and cheese recipe”. The need for sites to keep you there encourages complete nonsense that doesn’t contribute to the thing I’m there for, and so turns me away from long form anything. I got shit to do and a thousand articles competing for attention, most of which were written by bots and contain nothing. The whole scheme is just broken.

I feel like I had a thesis when I started this comment and I forgot where I was going…

scarabic@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 19:22 next collapse

In the case of longer form thought, Twitter provided links. What’s the problem?

vimdiesel@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 20:24 collapse

People just like to rage over things on the internet. I suspect they also don’t know how to get to the fkn point rather than ramble like they’re waxing poetic on a topic. Reddit is full of that shit.

executivechimp@discuss.tchncs.de on 21 Aug 2023 20:35 collapse

…they said concisely in a short internet comment.

Thisisforfun@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 20:47 collapse

He was free to ramble on for thousands of words though

jeanma@lemmy.ninja on 21 Aug 2023 16:39 next collapse

if it dies, will he have to pay the debts ?

randon31415@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 19:02 next collapse

Man who bet billions that Twitter would fail is upset that it hasn’t already.

circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Aug 2023 19:44 next collapse

X may fail. Twitter didn’t fail. Twitter was bought by a twat who decided to shut it down piece by piece.

Shatter@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 20:50 collapse

Don’t forget Twitter was already in big problems operating at a loss in a lot of its existing years. It’s definitely plummeting even further with his decisions though.

Borkingheck@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 22:37 collapse

I wish I could operate at a loss and be given billions of pounds.

Odd_so_Star_so_Odd@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 19:49 next collapse

How long does it take to roll some video akin to tiktok and snapchat into it? Weed out all the bots at the same time by demanding fotoID and root out all the dirtbags abusing the app at the same time. Texting and chatting is so last decade anyway just leave it as a remnant of its birdie roots.

If it fails Meta will likely have to be broken up, their monopoly on social media is outrageous these days.

SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 22:15 next collapse

Weed out all the bots at the same time by demanding fotoID

Fuck that, you’ll also exclude most EU countries since that’s an overreach of privacy.

If it kills Twitter and Meta get a hit at the same time, it’s only a win.

grue@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 23:41 next collapse

If it fails Meta will likely have to be broken up, their monopoly on social media is outrageous these days.

As if it doesn’t deserve it already, regardless?

dynamojoe@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 00:34 next collapse

Weed out all the bots at the same time

They don’t want to do that. That would destroy a significant chunk of their userbase and make X look weaker.

suction@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 09:47 collapse

What’s the point of copying TikTok? Given Elongs record, it would be done haphazardly and badly. But even if they pull it off, the audience won’t switch over. Or else they’d come back to instagram when they added TikTok features.

ininewcrow@lemmy.ca on 21 Aug 2023 19:55 next collapse

I have a feeling that that was the plan from the beginning.

The elite don’t like seeing common people have an open forum where they can all talk about how terrible their lives are, that their terrible lives are caused by the elite and that the common people should figure out what to do about it all.

Mowcherie@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 21:30 next collapse

It’s perhaps stupider than that. The guy couldn’t take getting made fun of on Twitter, so he bought and killed it.

ininewcrow@lemmy.ca on 22 Aug 2023 01:37 collapse

Rich people don’t like being made fun of … but you know what upsets them even more? Poor people realizing that they can make fun of them long enough and often enough to realize that the world should get rid of obscenely rich people.

Sarcastik@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 06:05 next collapse

This is a really lazy take. The elite have forever wanted to control the common people through the manipulation of laws, economy, news,etc. That’s why the Saudis put up the majority of the loan to enable Elon to buy it…so they could gain control over public dissent and white wash their abhorrent public image.

Meanwhile, Elon’s a glorified troll with a god complex, who wants to build his own clubhouse for more extreme right wing content.

ininewcrow@lemmy.ca on 23 Aug 2023 04:16 collapse

Which makes me think it did both things …

  1. subverted a major platform where common people were actually debating real life problems with one another in a constructive way
  2. filled it with far right rhetoric to promote extreme ideology and keep people occupied, fighting and divided so that they can no longer organize against the rich
suction@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 06:20 next collapse

touch grass

brey1013@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 12:12 collapse

Lick boot.

MeanEYE@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 12:06 next collapse

That would imply him possessing ability to think that far ahead.

matt@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 12:27 collapse

I don’t get this take - because if this was the plan, why not just shut Twitter down straight away instead of whatever is going on right now?

The actions of the platform don’t indicate they’re trying to kill it, just that they have really bad ideas trying to make money off it.

InternetTubes@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 19:57 next collapse

Elon Musk has gone about trying to drive Twitter into the ground while doing everything he can to maintain plausible deniability that he wasn’t. Literally biggest example of big money misused to influence social networks.

DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Aug 2023 10:18 collapse

What would be the objective here though? It just scatters users to other platforms. I don’t really understand why anyone would want that ?

30mag@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 21:04 next collapse

Nothing of value was lost.

DauntingFlamingo@lemmy.ml on 22 Aug 2023 12:32 collapse

Read in Morgan Freeman’s voice.

Dekthro@lemm.ee on 21 Aug 2023 23:09 next collapse

Oh no! Anyway.

ThisIsMyLemmyLogin@lemmy.world on 21 Aug 2023 23:28 next collapse

Now all he needs to do is to connect his own management of Twitter to its failure.

MajorHavoc@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 03:36 next collapse

Of all his managerial feats, I’m confident that one is beyond him.

Sarcastik@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 06:00 collapse

Wishful thinking

n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Aug 2023 02:18 next collapse

I wonder how much money the govt will give him now that he lost 44 bil… ya just know that is what will happen

DauntingFlamingo@lemmy.ml on 22 Aug 2023 12:31 collapse

Yes hello I am Normal Citizen. Where do we go for the money?

suction@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 06:19 next collapse

All of Musk’s shit will fail, it’s just a question of ‘when’ not of ‘if’. That includes Tesla.

KRXWNVXK904@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 06:41 next collapse

I always thought that the name was changed to something way more unappealing and doesn’t have anywhere near the same ring to it as “Twitter”. It’s kind of cringe imo. Like he was trying to make it seem like this was something so groundbreaking and new that it was deserving of one letter, “X”. I’m not surprised it’s going to flop.

MeanEYE@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 12:06 collapse

His projects, perhaps. Most likely not. He himself will never face consequences for any of the problems he has caused. Law doesn’t exist for the rich. You can stall, bribe, move to a different country, buy immunity, buy witnesses. Do whatever you want and can to make the problem go away… and it will go away. Even if he does get convicted of anything punishment will be stern look and “now be good, okay?”…

sebinspace@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 06:28 next collapse

Do a flip!

theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 06:31 next collapse

🍌We’re all trying to find the guy who did this

golamas1999@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 06:45 next collapse

It almost like he isn’t actually a genius but narcissistic grifter who can move money around.

DauntingFlamingo@lemmy.ml on 22 Aug 2023 12:29 collapse

Who can move Daddy’s money around. He never would’ve had a shot coming from blue collar origins.

brey1013@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 12:11 next collapse

Shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

Shiki@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 12:19 next collapse

Remember when the libs were praising musk with everything he did?

What changed was the media telling them not too anymore

LambentMote@lemmy.nz on 22 Aug 2023 12:25 next collapse

What changed is that unchecked power and increasing public presence have caused his behaviour to become increasingly erratic, exposing him for the charlatan he is.

fraxix@lemm.ee on 22 Aug 2023 12:25 next collapse

Yeah. Couldn’t be the fact that he went full mask off, showing how ignorant and delusional he is.

SolNine@lemmy.ml on 22 Aug 2023 12:32 collapse

There were many factors that changed people’s opinions of him, and for me it has absolutely nothing to do with “the media.”

Remember when he randomly called a guy a pedophile on Twitter who saved the kids in the cave rescue, all because they didn’t use his submarine idea?

That was the turning point for me 5 years ago, and he’s gone downhill ever since. The reason he was the golden child of tech for many left leaning individuals is because he was pushing forward electric vehicles in a manner no one else had the will to.

He also happens to be a piece of shit as a human being… Nothing to do with “the media.”

JdW@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 12:20 next collapse

I sense a new dictionary definition of self-fulfilling prophecy coming up…

Red_October@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 14:05 next collapse

“I’ve been drilling holes in the bottom of my boat to shed weight, but now I’m having trouble keeping it afloat and there’s nothing I can do about it!”

epigone@lemmy.world on 22 Aug 2023 14:33 next collapse

moving the goalpost. twitter was originally developed to be a “news service” not a “social network”

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