What would be the final straw

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You’re supposed to uncheck the save storage space and download files as you use them option.

You can see their strategy at work here.

It is possible to keep individual files on the local hard drive with different settings (that in my experience never seem to stick past updates).

The default, though, is to take everything on your computer off of your computer, put it into the cloud (their computer), and recommend you pick and choose which ones stay on your computer. In essence, they want you to think of your computer as secondary to their computer. An extension of it.

There is no “your computer”, it’s just the computer you happen to be logged into at the moment.

The cloud is not something you take advantage of, the cloud is where you live now.

Wtf!

Good thing I use to debloat windows 10 on a local account and got rid of onedrive before it could wreck havok so.

But got to be honest, Far as long as I can remember, I always had backup of important data. Encryption - client side if off to the cloud.

Shit I’m so old that I prefer my music on HDD instead of using streaming services.

Using Linux nowadays too BTW.

Phase one: force everyone’s data into their OneDrive account. OneDrive now at capacity, you must upgrade to ensure all your data is backed up and retained.

Phase two: MS secretly (or not so secretly) use all this data to train copilot.

Human generated content to feed into ai systems is the new good rush

I mean - I’ve hated them since the 90’s. It’s not a speed run so much as a philosophy. The principles of BOGU.

If it’s not stopping the user base from using it then they don’t care.

All of them.

Biggest difference a distro does is their update cycle and how much the distro “takes care” of you. Some of them do everything behind the scenes to make it just work. Others need more user interaction to reach the same state (but tend to teach you the inner workings too, which will open up a LOT of customization)

How much time do you want to spend on linux os maintenance?

It just comes down to personal preference. Mint is usually recommended as a good starting point.

Fedora or Mint should be the most hassle-free

Its called Linux Mint. Easier to install than windows, significantly cheaper, and frankly easier to configure.

It is very easy to disable.

Even just disabling the service works.

Since you use group policies and images (even if images are outdated nowadays) I assume you are trying to configure this for a company with an AD domain and M365 licenses. Since you couldn’t use group policies with a domain and you can’t use M365 features like OneDrive without licenses. I hope you are not allowing personal accounts…

Why wouldn’t you use OneDrive in this case?

It’s much better than the old way of home folders in a file share.

Anyway I’m half tempted to try and do it myself because I doubt it’s impossible.

I hate this so much. I save as a new file for a new version. I expect it to go into the same folder by default like the file i currently opened and worked on. Nope, onedrive it is if you aren’t careful.

The extra fun part is when it starts bitching at you for filling up the cloud storage allotment that you didn’t know you were using.

Mean while on windows 10, they are forcing updates with a creepy splash screen when you boot up. Can’t exit, can’t stop it, basically held hostage. This was on my old surface pro 4. Then the update screwsed everything up and I had to do a system restore…shits bad 👎

What’s the big deal? Microsoft security is top notch. They totally didn’t get p0vvN3d by russia basically twenty minutes ago and have their source code stolen.

It’s why the US gummit is so happy to use micro$quash services.

And y’know even then, who cares if all your data is stolen by state-sponsored cyber crime groups, y’know? M$ has spared no expense to ensure all that data is secured end-to-end with unbreakable encryption even microsoft can’t read! (snkk) Even if they wanted to!

It’s not like they’ve tricked everyone into being data cattle for their giant cloud-ranching operation, to shovel everything into AI and sell the results to anyone at the highest price possible. I mean. We’d have heard something about that if it was the case.

Just automatically started uploading everything on my hard drive to an account I didn’t set up

Wait, what?

I was having a conversation in another thread a few days ago about the legality of completely fictional AI child porn and how that may be a safer outlet for those individuals as it involves no harm.

It’s legal in many countries, but also not legal in many countries.

In the USA, federal law says as long as its not obscene or has serious value its allowed, but really, good luck with those clauses. Then it says, it’s also legal unless it’s been transmitted by a common carrier, e.g mail, internet.

So, someone might be legally making their own CP so they don’t need to cause any abuse, and then Windows without their permission, uploads it to OneDrive.

You know the person making fictional CP would be the one thrown in jail for transmitting it over a common carrier, but maybe we should throw Microsoft in jail for doing that without permission and fucking us all over, over and over and over again with all this bullshit

They’re literally stealing your files. They’re probably training their AI on anything uploaded to OneDrive. It’s not like they even prompted you or gave you the ToS.

Oh god, you reminded me. I had a run in with this recently because my parents got new laptops. 1TB hard drive, should be plenty right? NO! My mom had 15GB of files in her home folders and One Drive was whining constantly to pay them for more space.

It was about an hour of debugging to keep the files safe, extract One Drive from the home folder locations because it had dug in like a virus, and then (after 20 online searches and scouring forums) click the specific toggle in the specific menu to disable One Drive so it would use local files.

I paid for a 1TB computer, why are you forcing me to use your shitty online-only limited-space shit show. Fucks sake.

Can someone sue the living shit out of them

Nope. All in terms of agreement.

Another article speaks about Windows 11 requiring a Microsoft account to install it, no longer supporting local accounts.

Until it becomes mandatory. Foot in the door is a powerful play.

You must not know all that many people. Windows is pushing accounts super hard. Average user is complying with this. Ask your fish monger or barista , bet one of them has a m$ account.

This might actually be a very good idea.

My first thought was to abuse something that rhymes with “Mild Topography”. But that would likely lead to legal repercussions for both you and Microsoft. A better solution would be to store hundreds of medical records in your Documents folder. You have a right to store your own medical information. If Microsoft is uploading those to their servers without your consent, and without appropriate HIPAA measures, that smells like an extremely silver-wrapped lawsuit.

There’s a quota, so unless you have a few hundred million dollars laying around, it’s a futile fight.

Make sure it’s all encrypted files so they can’t compress it.

iirc when going through the setup after a fresh install, I used sign in and typed in an email like fake@email.com with a keysmashed password. Because it’s obviously not an actual account and with a password that wouldn’t be correct, it’ll say as much but still let you continue into windows without signing in. Hope that helps

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The end can’t come soon enough.

Yeah they’ll take that bonus and then dip to another company and get a big resignation party and golden parachute while the rest of us stare in amazement

• somebody who has worked at these types of companies

Edit: Grammar is good and stuff

Begging people to subscribe to their own hardware will have increased results when they can show you your OneDrive is full. It probably will get them more money than it loses them. They are utterly thirsty for subscription revenue.

This is so fucking true.

Governed by an excel entry.

If I understand it correctly this behavior happens only for newly deployed computers if you sign in with Microsoft account so there are no unexpected uploads to OneDrive, only downloads of your existing files if you used this feature before.

Although once you start saving files you might not realise files are being saved to also OneDrive. All in all it is a weird and dumb change, that popup where you are prompted if you want to enable known folder move was perfectly fine.

We get Windows 11 N

I game on Linux. Go check protondb for compatibility with your favourite game

give up gaming

What? Most games run better on Linux

With Proton, a large majority of games run on Linux, and most even better than on windows.

P R O T O N

I switched to Linux last week and I haven’t had any issues with my Steam games. Just had to turn on the setting to have Steam provide Linux support for games that don’t provide it themselves.

I’m gonna start sounding like a shill, but check out Nobara. Painless install, steam games just work out of the box.

They’re gambling that it won’t be enough to drive the majority of users to other operating systems.

Its been their practice since the early 90s. Bundling and defaulting all their shitty apps, then making sure everything else has compatibility issues by design.

The worst thing to happen to Microsoft was the IETF. It shattered their walled garden and forced them to integrate with a host of other internationally developed and encoded systems through a uniform protocol. They’ve spent the last 30 years trying to claw their position of OS dominance back.

Same. They’ve always done this shit, but installing windows - and then uninstalling or disabling all the cooked-in bloat and spyware - has become so ridiculously tiresome that I just said fuck it and went Linux full-time.

Every update or service pack, it starts all over. There’s no such thing as a clean windows install.

Nobara was up and running in like ten minutes with no fuckery at all, and it’s no nice not having to fight my OS on everything.

What are you running? I tried Ubuntu as my daily driver and honestly found it’s user experience pretty shitty. Lots of little buggy issues with the interface and running a few games on steam that support Linux wasn’t great

It’s somehow even trickier to find a list of differences between them and regular win 11.

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Checkmate, consumer.

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Windows has always been trash. People use it because it usually comes with the machine.

Just that I don’t have anything worthwhile on my phone. All the important stuff is on PCs. All the stuff that is professional, that is covered by NDAs, all the banking. And just because Microsoft has ever been shitty and is now going extra-shitty, it is not a Windows PC.

Just wait until some Microsoft digital parrot AKA artificial “intelligence” spouts some companies internal data that it had gobbled up somewhere from the companies internal network…

I got both google and xiaomi do that on the same phone, it sure was a hassle to remove both without losing my data…

My phone asked me first.

The only two things making me use windows for now are my inability to run FL Studio on Linux (I tried before, I’ll try again)

Procrastination to go through my files to see if there’s something worth backing up before I wipe my drive

There are way too many nice features on Windows that don’t exist or are time consuming to set up on Linux. My only pain point on Windows, other than the stupid pop-ups advertising other services, are the fact that I can’t install individual GNU tools like nano easily.

I use Revi. fresh install then immediately install Revi, gets rid of all the bloatware, copilot, onedrive, edge, etc.

I’d switch to a linux install but I just don’t have to time to figure out which is the right one for me, installing it, configuring it, etc. I wish I did, wish I had the time to play around with it but I simply don’t. (I mean maybe someone smarter than me can tell me a linux distro that will work with world of warcraft, steam, final fantasy xiv, etc) so I have to settle with win 11+revi

I finally switched to Linux Mint a few weeks ago. CoPilot/ Recall was the last straw.

Oh, that’s okay though, you signed them the rights to do that by having an account with them

… I’m sure is how they’ll spin it

If it’s a machine used for business: corporate espionage.

Oohh, that’s a good way to potentially break this. Just download a ton of useless stuff and upload it onto OneDrive. People could make this service really expensive for Microsoft.

I’m extremely close at this point.

I legit don’t understand why this exists. Why would anyone want a bunch of shit in their OneDrive to have a permanent link?

Microsoft just loves money at the expense of quality products.

I’m seeing that a hell of a lot this year… Linux might actually finally make some real headwind with the tech crowd

Sorry to break the spell but Windows 12 will be worse. Might even be subscription based.

Yeah, it did this to me a few months back. Got the files back local eventually but it was a big pain in my arse. If I had time to learn another os I’d already be gone. Seems like Microsoft is determined to asset-strip whatever good reputation their product had left.