hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
on 03 Feb 2025 23:54
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Wow, bold choice to ban the import of technology and knowledge. Usually governments are worried about export, so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
Btw, how is the Nvidia stock price doing?
forrgott@lemm.ee
on 04 Feb 2025 01:41
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Right? Like, seriously, we all know somebody is just butthurt because their stock options tanked.
Oh, wait, I’m sorry! That was very unpatriotic of me, wasn’t it? I mean, we all know that winning an election guarantees being heavily rewarded with insider trading, right? It’s not like they’re there to represent constituents or anything; I mean, doesn’t everyone know we’re a republic, not a democracy?!
To be fair, this is common practice. Countries do this all the time to protect their economies. Mostly known in the West is China which banned many US services.
Of course, security of the data of the citizens is also a factor. You don’t want foreign countries use this data to interfere in any way.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de
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Honestly, I don't think this is common practice in non-oppressive countries. I mean sure, this happens in North Korea, Iran, China... But I'm relatively free to consume what I want with a few minor exceptions. For example we don't import food that isn't food-safe by our standards. Regardless if it's common practice to eat it in other places. Also food may not be able to enter the country due to laws on animal cruelty. Similar things apply to electronic devices that aren't up to code. And some select few things are banned altogether and you can't have them and neither can someone import them. Other than that, regulations aren't super strict. I can use all American social media platforms despite them stealing my personal data and violating European privacy laws regularly, can use Russian or Chinese websites... I think I live in a free country.
Helping domestic economy is done with tariffs / import tax. And not by banning things and putting people in jail.
And mind that this isn't about the service that collects your data and gives it to the Chinese government. This is about downloading the model file and using it all by yourself. So no data gets transferred to a foreign country. And it's not because people could get harmed or anything. This is just because the vice president doesn't want it personally. Like in some dictatorship. Otherwise they would have banned transferring data into foreign countries, if that's what it's about. But they didn't do that, because it's not about protecting the people.
Or did I miss something and there are other examples for limitations on import?
That’s what everyone thought about Trump becoming president… Both times.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 02:13
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At this point someone could say Hitler is coming back from the dead riding a dinosaur, and my reaction would be “Yeah, sure. That may as well happen. Nothing has made sense the last 10 years. That’s just as plausible as anything else we’ve seen.”
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 04 Feb 2025 04:56
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Nothing has made sense the last 10 years.
Prolly part of the psyop tbh... We walked blind into this but puppet master knew what's up and engineered it.
metaStatic@kbin.earth
on 03 Feb 2025 23:55
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And I would personally recommend downloading from HuggingFace or Ollama
thefartographer@lemm.ee
on 04 Feb 2025 00:40
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r1 is lightweight and optimized for local environments on a home PC. It’s supposed to be pretty good at programming and logic and kinda awkward at conversation.
v3 is powerful and meant to run on cloud servers. It’s supposed to make for some pretty convincing conversations.
That likely is one of the distilled versions I’m talking about. R1 is 720 GB, and wouldn’t even fit into memory on a normal computer. Heck, even the 1.58-bit quant is 131GB, which is outside the range of a normal desktop PC.
But I’m sure you know what version you’re running better than I do, so I’m not going to bother guessing.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 02:14
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You must have a lot of memory, sounds like a lot of fun!
thefartographer@lemm.ee
on 04 Feb 2025 02:57
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You’re absolutely right, I wasn’t trying to get that in-depth, which is why I said “lightweight and optimized,” instead of “when using a distilled version” because that raises more questions than it answers. But I probably overgeneralized by making it a blanket statement like that.
Base models are general purpose language models, mainly useful for AI researchers and people who want to build on top of them.
Instruct or chat models are chatbots. They are made by fine-tuning base models.
The V3 models linked by OP are Deepseek’s non-reasoning models, similar to Claude or ChatGPT4o. These are the “normal” chatbots that reply with whatever comes to their mind. Deepseek also has a reasoning model, R1. Such models take time to “think” before supplying their final answer; they tend to give better performance for stuff like math problems, at the cost of being slower to get the answer.
It should be mentioned that you probably won’t be able to run these models yourself unless you have a data center style rig with 4-5 GPUs. The Deepseek V3 and R1 models are chonky beasts. There are smaller “distilled” forms of R1 that are possible to run locally, though.
DogWater@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 08:24
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I heard people saying they could run the r1 32B model on moderate gaming hardware albeit slowly
FrederikNJS@lemm.ee
on 04 Feb 2025 15:01
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32b is still distilled. The full one is 671b.
DogWater@lemmy.world
on 05 Feb 2025 02:18
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I know, but the fall off in performance isn’t supposed to be severe
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com
on 04 Feb 2025 12:04
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Yea, comment OP needs to edit links with howany up votes that got.
dontbelasagne@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 00:07
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So I guess it’s free speech as long as you agree with the goverment’s speech. If not, then it’s a crime.
ilmagico@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 00:20
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Always have been, and this is a bipartisan value, heck, it’s common to all political parties of the world.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 04 Feb 2025 04:53
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Yeah that's called being a sovereign... They will respect each other doing since it is a club in a oligarchy or "democracy" but little people need watch that mother fucking mouth, or daddy gonna issue some backhand
timewarp@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 00:23
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Elon Musk was just posting a factory of prisoners all working for cents on the dollar saying that America needs more of that.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Feb 2025 00:26
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Cool, see y’all in jail.
unconsciousvoidling@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Feb 2025 21:02
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I call top bunk
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip
on 04 Feb 2025 00:28
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rip Pat Gelsinger
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 00:29
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Hawley’s statement called DeepSeek “a data-harvesting, low-cost AI model that sparked international concern and sent American technology stocks plummeting.”
data-harvesting
???
It runs offline… using open-source software that provably does not collect or transmit any data…
It is low-cost and out-competes American technology, though, true
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
on 04 Feb 2025 00:50
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Dindonmasker@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Feb 2025 02:34
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Finally affordable housing!
treadful@lemmy.zip
on 04 Feb 2025 01:10
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More protectionist bullshit that won’t help anyone.
DiagnosedADHD@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 05:41
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Except openai and all their investors
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Feb 2025 01:34
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Print the code in a book and mail it.
Surely, they cannot ban books… right? Right?
Edit: Wait wait wait… the Comstock Act says mail cannot be used for anything that can be used for abortion. And a AI can theoretically be used to get instructions for abortion. BOOM, it’s banned! 👀
EveningPancakes@lemm.ee
on 04 Feb 2025 01:37
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I’m gonna download it even harder.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Feb 2025 02:34
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See you hell evildoer!
Cantaloupe877@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 01:43
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I’d get LM studio or Ollama, and download R1 your system can handle quick.
If you’re on Linux, Alpaca is on Flathub, you can get it and it’ll download models and run them for you, including Deepseek R1.
JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca
on 04 Feb 2025 01:51
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Shouldn’t Google and Apple go to jail for distribution?
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Feb 2025 02:35
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Neither Tim Apple nor Ted Google would make it a day in jail.
Since those smaller models are technically fine-tunes of Meta/Facebook’s LLAMA, using Deepseek’s outputs, I wonder if they would be covered by the bill at all.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com
on 04 Feb 2025 12:03
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7b and 32b are Qwen2 🙃
__init__@programming.dev
on 04 Feb 2025 02:42
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Your tax dollars at work!
sudoer777@lemmy.ml
on 04 Feb 2025 03:14
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Sooner or later we’re gonna have to bypass the Great Firewall of America by VPNing into China
WhatSay@slrpnk.net
on 04 Feb 2025 04:21
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People like this should not be a government representative. But I guess that’s the trend lately
labbbb2@thelemmy.club
on 04 Feb 2025 04:49
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Fascist regime and power/police abuse has started.
P.S.: It seems like the US is becoming similar to Russia, kleptocratic country and organised crime in government.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com
on 04 Feb 2025 04:50
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to be fair for black Americans that is a centuries old tune
labbbb2@thelemmy.club
on 04 Feb 2025 04:57
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Oh, you’re right
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 04 Feb 2025 12:59
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Most minorities — it’s the middle - upper class straight able bodied white people who are oblivious to it all.
scarabic@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 22:02
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Don’t worry, their already bad situation will get worse too.
scarabic@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 22:02
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Every step unchallenged is an invitation to do more.
thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 05:00
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Made the switch to DeepSeek fo’ life.
workerONE@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 05:32
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I’ll download it twice
johsny@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 07:05
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I’m downloading it right now.
Koyaanisqatsi@lemm.ee
on 04 Feb 2025 12:59
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That’s a lifetime bro 😀
DiagnosedADHD@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 05:39
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I don’t think he understands how open source works…
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml
on 04 Feb 2025 05:40
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Wasn’t that interested before but it does give it a certain allure now to be sure.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca
on 04 Feb 2025 06:10
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Pretty sure that requires open-ai to be jailed
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 07:21
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You need to think in Republican. Corporations are people up to the moment they commit a crime, at which point they are not people.
God, I hate Hawley. He’s an embarrassment to my state.
He doesn’t even live in Missouri.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 07:04
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You wouldn’t download a car and then perform all the necessary lost wax casting, pressing, punching, machining, painting etc etc. Would you?
No!
You would download a finished car!
blady_blah@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 07:29
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That’s awesome! I didn’t know you could download an LLM and run it locally! That’s what I’m really interested in is something that’s on my side and not a conduit to Google, MS or other.
I’m so glad Hawley proposed this bill or I wouldn’t have known that deepseek was open source and downloadable! I’ll have to go look for a download.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Feb 2025 14:25
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Ollama makes it pretty easy, and there are other runners as well. Good luck!
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org
on 04 Feb 2025 18:31
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AFAICT it’s not open source, just open weights.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net
on 04 Feb 2025 21:30
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squid_slime@lemm.ee
on 04 Feb 2025 11:46
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Good to see some socialist policy’s making their way to the US…
Oh wait…
mPony@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 11:52
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next up:
US Bill proposed to jail people who watch MSNBC
US Bill proposed to jail people who watch PBS
US Bill proposed to jail people who don’t buy a cybertruck
US Bill proposed to jail people who don’t vote GOP
So much freedom, so little time.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 17:38
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Do you think those channels are left? LoL
MNByChoice@midwest.social
on 04 Feb 2025 18:45
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They don’t need to be to be vilified.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca
on 04 Feb 2025 12:43
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Because China “leveraged” US technology 20 years ago, US politicians bring it up as a current shittalking point still. Deepseek, being open source, is opportunity for Americans to gain technology transfer from China, without “stealing”.
There is a desperation to protect US AI, mostly so that AI companies are indebted into serving the empire, and maybe the GOP,
Something AI is extremely capable today is deciding who to ban on reddit, or at the individual voter level, decide who should be turned away from elections. Recent US election had record voter suppression and forced provisional ballots that were never counted. Previously, black was a sufficient suppression incentive. AI makes it easy to target individuals or other factors. Musk, being praised for understanding “election machines”, now with access to SS numbers and an ability to link to voters or views on Israel/genocide, is a super power that ensures being king maker in perpetuity.
Freefall@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 21:24
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Was this Google translated from Chinese? That was chunky to read.
clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 13:52
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The desperation… It reeks
Katana314@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 13:58
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This is astounding.
I mean, not the Deepseek or jailing stuff. I mean a Senator actually proposing a law. I thought the way our government worked was, the annoying orange declares a vague uncited threat to be bad, and signs an executive order on it!
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Feb 2025 14:20
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No, we also allow mega corporations to submit bills that get rubber stamped by a rep somewhere. I don’t think a corporation would be so audacious as to submit this, so it’s a rare case of original content.
kokesh@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 14:36
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I think the average IQ of republicans must be 20.
Barrymore@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Feb 2025 20:48
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No, that’s collective IQ
inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Feb 2025 15:30
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Lol rich coming from a class of people who can’t even open up a fucking pdf in their email
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Feb 2025 16:34
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You overestimate the strength of the cognitive dissonance. These people have somehow found a way to overcome the concept of hypocrisy and the consequences for it. They’re impervious to shame and repercussions.
This is them gathering their strength. The more we care about facts and honesty, the more they win. This is kind of the endgame
Chivera@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 17:04
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Land of the free
Jericho_Kane@lemmy.org
on 04 Feb 2025 21:39
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Land of the free only refers to owning guns.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Feb 2025 17:30
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Yes the ban on TikTok is working! We’re getting more and more freer!!! The kids will be saved!!! \s \s \s
jadelord@discuss.tchncs.de
on 04 Feb 2025 21:09
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“Victory for free speech (as long as it means only we get to talk”)! /s
passiveaggressivesonar@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 20:04
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not back-dated so download away fellas (not sure if a law can apply on acts before it was a law)
shortrounddev@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 20:24
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In principle: no. But Americans no longer have any principles (or never did in the first place)
chiliedogg@lemmy.world
on 04 Feb 2025 20:55
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Ex post facto laws are expressly prohibited in Article I, so they can’t pass a law criminalizing downloads from before the law was passed.
They can, however, criminalize possessing a copy of DeepSeek. In that case you’d be legally required to delete it after the law passed.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works
on 04 Feb 2025 21:15
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They also can’t amend the constitution via executive order or deport US citizens, but watch them try it anyway
turns out all that shit about open markets, free trade, competition was just while they had no competition to exploit it after WW2 left Europe and Asia devastated, now that China (with their own protectionism) is doing it better than the US…back to protectionism and fascism.
Senator Josh Hawley was in his office, fumbling with a collection of outdated gadgets. His desk was cluttered with a clunky flip-phone, a ancient computer tower, and stacks of CDs labeled “Software for Dummies.” He had just been reading about this newfangled AI technology that everyone was buzzing about—though he wasn’t entirely sure what an AI was.
The phone rang, jolting him out of his thoughts. He fumbled with the flip-phone, trying to press the correct buttons to answer. When he finally managed to say “Hello,” his voice dripped with confusion.
“Senator Hawley, this is Greg from OpenAI. I wanted to discuss your proposed legislation about AI downloads,” the voice on the other end said.
Hawley leaned back in his chair, trying to look wise. “Legislation? Oh, right, that’s what they call laws these days. Something about jailing people who download stuff from China.”
Greg sighed. “It’s not just about downloading, Senator. It’s about AI models—complex software that can learn and adapt, like DeepSeek.”
Hawley’s brow furrowed. He hadn’t heard of DeepSeek before. “DeepSeek? That sounds communist to me. Probably tracking your thoughts or something.”
Greg tried to explain how AI works, but Hawley kept interrupting with questions about old technologies he thought were relevant. “So if someone downloads this AI, it’s like a CD-ROM, right? You just stick it in and hope it works?”
Greg pressed on, trying to translate the concept of cloud computing into terms Hawley might understand. “It’s more like… a virtual flip-phone that you can talk to without actually holding it.”
Hawley looked down at his desk, where his actual flip-phone was sitting. “I’m not sure I follow. Why would downloading this AI be bad?”
“Because DeepSeek is state-sponsored and could be used maliciously,” Greg said. “It’s like giving someone a modem to the Chinese government.”
Hawley brightened up. “Oh! Like that time I tried to use a dial-up connection? That was dangerous, wasn’t it? You didn’t know who was listening!”
Greg couldn’t help but laugh. “I’m not sure you’re understanding this correctly, Senator. This isn’t about phone calls or CDs—it’s about advanced algorithms that could change everything.”
Hawley stood up, clutching his flip-phone like it was a weapon. “Advanced? Sounds like the kind of thing that could be used to spy on people or start wars! Just like those CDs I tried to use once—they had some kind of communist software.”
Greg hesitated but decided to play along. “So you’re saying if someone downloads DeepSeek, they might be helping a foreign power? That’s why you want to jail them?”
Hawley nodded vigorously. “Exactly! It’s like having a modem without the filter. I propose jailing these people to protect our freedoms.”
Greg exchanged a glance with his colleague, who was now staring at him in disbelief. Finally, he said, “ Senator, this isn’t how technology works. If you jail people for downloading AI models, you’re not protecting innovation—you’re stifling it.”
Hawley squinted at Greg as if he were staring into the sun. “Stifle? I’m trying to stop something dangerous. You think I don’t know about this communist tech? I’ve seen it on the internet—full of viruses and stuff.”
Greg took a deep breath, realizing there was no way to reason with Hawley in this state. “Well, if that’s your stance, just remember: you’re not alone. There are people out there who think AI is a threat.”
Hawley smirked. “Good. People like me keep them in check.”
The call finally ended, and Greg sat back in his chair, shaking his head. “Senator Hawley is running for re-election,” he muttered to himself. “And if this bill passes, it’s going to be a nightmare.”
As for Senator Hawley, he was already back at his desk, scribbling notes about how to protect the country from “AI invasions.” He had no idea what he was up against—but one thing was certain: he was ready to fight.
Ghosthacked@lemm.ee
on 05 Feb 2025 11:00
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These people will keep pushing and pushing. They know this is ridiculous, but if they flood the public with this bullshit, eventually the overton window shifts and people get brainwashed into thinking cult shit like this is good.
anticurrent@sh.itjust.works
on 05 Feb 2025 23:10
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The USA is in panic mode, they thought they could undermine China’s development just like they did with ball-sucking Europe, now there is a need for other nation to come up with their own models, and show the US they should stop underpinning monopolies.
CkrnkFrnchMn@lemmy.ca
on 06 Feb 2025 02:14
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Wow, bold choice to ban the import of technology and knowledge. Usually governments are worried about export, so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands.
Btw, how is the Nvidia stock price doing?
Right? Like, seriously, we all know somebody is just butthurt because their stock options tanked.
Oh, wait, I’m sorry! That was very unpatriotic of me, wasn’t it? I mean, we all know that winning an election guarantees being heavily rewarded with insider trading, right? It’s not like they’re there to represent constituents or anything; I mean, doesn’t everyone know we’re a republic, not a democracy?!
Sigh…
To be fair, this is common practice. Countries do this all the time to protect their economies. Mostly known in the West is China which banned many US services.
Of course, security of the data of the citizens is also a factor. You don’t want foreign countries use this data to interfere in any way.
Honestly, I don't think this is common practice in non-oppressive countries. I mean sure, this happens in North Korea, Iran, China... But I'm relatively free to consume what I want with a few minor exceptions. For example we don't import food that isn't food-safe by our standards. Regardless if it's common practice to eat it in other places. Also food may not be able to enter the country due to laws on animal cruelty. Similar things apply to electronic devices that aren't up to code. And some select few things are banned altogether and you can't have them and neither can someone import them. Other than that, regulations aren't super strict. I can use all American social media platforms despite them stealing my personal data and violating European privacy laws regularly, can use Russian or Chinese websites... I think I live in a free country.
Helping domestic economy is done with tariffs / import tax. And not by banning things and putting people in jail.
And mind that this isn't about the service that collects your data and gives it to the Chinese government. This is about downloading the model file and using it all by yourself. So no data gets transferred to a foreign country. And it's not because people could get harmed or anything. This is just because the vice president doesn't want it personally. Like in some dictatorship. Otherwise they would have banned transferring data into foreign countries, if that's what it's about. But they didn't do that, because it's not about protecting the people.
Or did I miss something and there are other examples for limitations on import?
No, I think you did not miss anything 😇
Good summary
It’s only a proposed bill (thankfully), but definitely one to keep an eye on.
Eh, it’s just virtue signaling nonsense. It’s not going anywhere.
that’s what they said about vaguely gestures at everything
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/38c84716-e419-4a05-911e-2067d5a5f246.webp">
That’s what everyone thought about Trump becoming president… Both times.
At this point someone could say Hitler is coming back from the dead riding a dinosaur, and my reaction would be “Yeah, sure. That may as well happen. Nothing has made sense the last 10 years. That’s just as plausible as anything else we’ve seen.”
Prolly part of the psyop tbh... We walked blind into this but puppet master knew what's up and engineered it.
For Base Model
git lfs install
git clone https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-Base
For Chat Model
git lfs install
git clone https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3
Can you elaborate on the differences?
https://www.deepseekv3.com/en/download
I was assuming one was pre-trained and one wasn't but don't think that's correct and don't care enough to investigate further.
Is that website legit? I’ve only ever seen www.deepseek.com
And I would personally recommend downloading from HuggingFace or Ollama
r1 is lightweight and optimized for local environments on a home PC. It’s supposed to be pretty good at programming and logic and kinda awkward at conversation.
v3 is powerful and meant to run on cloud servers. It’s supposed to make for some pretty convincing conversations.
R1 isn’t really runnable with a home rig. You might be able to run a distilled version of the model though!
Tell that to my home rig currently running the 671b model…
That likely is one of the distilled versions I’m talking about. R1 is 720 GB, and wouldn’t even fit into memory on a normal computer. Heck, even the 1.58-bit quant is 131GB, which is outside the range of a normal desktop PC.
But I’m sure you know what version you’re running better than I do, so I’m not going to bother guessing.
It’s not. I can run the 2.51bit quant
You must have a lot of memory, sounds like a lot of fun!
You’re absolutely right, I wasn’t trying to get that in-depth, which is why I said “lightweight and optimized,” instead of “when using a distilled version” because that raises more questions than it answers. But I probably overgeneralized by making it a blanket statement like that.
Base models are general purpose language models, mainly useful for AI researchers and people who want to build on top of them.
Instruct or chat models are chatbots. They are made by fine-tuning base models.
The V3 models linked by OP are Deepseek’s non-reasoning models, similar to Claude or ChatGPT4o. These are the “normal” chatbots that reply with whatever comes to their mind. Deepseek also has a reasoning model, R1. Such models take time to “think” before supplying their final answer; they tend to give better performance for stuff like math problems, at the cost of being slower to get the answer.
It should be mentioned that you probably won’t be able to run these models yourself unless you have a data center style rig with 4-5 GPUs. The Deepseek V3 and R1 models are chonky beasts. There are smaller “distilled” forms of R1 that are possible to run locally, though.
I heard people saying they could run the r1 32B model on moderate gaming hardware albeit slowly
32b is still distilled. The full one is 671b.
I know, but the fall off in performance isn’t supposed to be severe
You are correct. And yes that is kinda the whole point of the distilled models.
I know. Lmao
My legion slim 5 14" can run it not too bad.
this is deepseek-v3. deepseek-r1 is the model that got all the media hype: huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1
Yea, comment OP needs to edit links with howany up votes that got.
So I guess it’s free speech as long as you agree with the goverment’s speech. If not, then it’s a crime.
Always have been, and this is a bipartisan value, heck, it’s common to all political parties of the world.
Yeah that's called being a sovereign... They will respect each other doing since it is a club in a oligarchy or "democracy" but little people need watch that mother fucking mouth, or daddy gonna issue some backhand
Elon Musk was just posting a factory of prisoners all working for cents on the dollar saying that America needs more of that.
free speech is when racial slurs obviously
Cool, see y’all in jail.
I call top bunk
rip Pat Gelsinger
???
It runs offline… using open-source software that provably does not collect or transmit any data…
It is low-cost and out-competes American technology, though, true
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Oh yeah, thats what did it, totally
You don't fuck with the big man money tbh... That's like rule 1 of the game.
I wasn’t thinking of downloading an AI onto my low tier computer until now.
I’ve got a laptop kicking around from 2010 that’s about to get deepseek just because they’re proposing this dumb ass shit. I don’t even use Gen AI.
same lmao
They never learn.
Finally affordable housing!
More protectionist bullshit that won’t help anyone.
Except openai and all their investors
Print the code in a book and mail it.
Surely, they cannot ban books… right? Right?
Edit: Wait wait wait… the Comstock Act says mail cannot be used for anything that can be used for abortion. And a AI can theoretically be used to get instructions for abortion. BOOM, it’s banned! 👀
I’m gonna download it even harder.
See you hell evildoer!
I’d get LM studio or Ollama, and download R1 your system can handle quick. If you’re on Linux, Alpaca is on Flathub, you can get it and it’ll download models and run them for you, including Deepseek R1.
Shouldn’t Google and Apple go to jail for distribution?
Neither Tim Apple nor Ted Google would make it a day in jail.
Tim is gay (fr), so I’d say he’d have an (comparatively) easier time than a straight man.
What a horrible thing to say
You wouldn’t download a LLM
Nope. I certainly wouldn’t.
Are you tired of winning yet?
And they wonder why China is eating the US’s lunch on the world stage in terms of influence and technology.
I’m not sure they realize.
Come and get me.
now i gotta download something i don’t even wanna download.
I literally just did the same
Yup. Downloaded 7b, 32b, and 70b varieties this afternoon. Entirely out of spite.
Since those smaller models are technically fine-tunes of Meta/Facebook’s LLAMA, using Deepseek’s outputs, I wonder if they would be covered by the bill at all.
7b and 32b are Qwen2 🙃
Your tax dollars at work!
Sooner or later we’re gonna have to bypass the Great Firewall of America by VPNing into China
People like this should not be a government representative. But I guess that’s the trend lately
Fascist regime and power/police abuse has started.
P.S.: It seems like the US is becoming similar to Russia, kleptocratic country and organised crime in government.
to be fair for black Americans that is a centuries old tune
Oh, you’re right
Most minorities — it’s the middle - upper class straight able bodied white people who are oblivious to it all.
Don’t worry, their already bad situation will get worse too.
Every step unchallenged is an invitation to do more.
Made the switch to DeepSeek fo’ life.
I’ll download it twice
I’m downloading it right now.
That’s a lifetime bro 😀
I don’t think he understands how open source works…
Wasn’t that interested before but it does give it a certain allure now to be sure.
Pretty sure that requires open-ai to be jailed
You need to think in Republican. Corporations are people up to the moment they commit a crime, at which point they are not people.
God, I hate Hawley. He’s an embarrassment to my state.
He doesn’t even live in Missouri.
You wouldn’t download a car and then perform all the necessary lost wax casting, pressing, punching, machining, painting etc etc. Would you?
No!
You would download a finished car!
That’s awesome! I didn’t know you could download an LLM and run it locally! That’s what I’m really interested in is something that’s on my side and not a conduit to Google, MS or other.
I’m so glad Hawley proposed this bill or I wouldn’t have known that deepseek was open source and downloadable! I’ll have to go look for a download.
Ollama makes it pretty easy, and there are other runners as well. Good luck!
AFAICT it’s not open source, just open weights.
How to download/run a uncensored LLM locally:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMBI_Q0_Yc
Well I guess that means its time to download it even though I don’t know what I’ll do with it.
Download the model and run locally is the most secure and privacy friendly way to use it.
It’s absurd how little they know about what they are doing.
And that’s exactly why they want to stop it
Nah, Congress (esp the Senate) is a bunch of old people yelling at clouds, and sometimes they yell the same thing. Don’t give them too much credit.
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I doubt they understand local vs server distinction.
“Server is when we ask Amazon to build a backdoor, local is when we ask Microsoft”
It’s easy to run a distilled version of the R1 model locally. It’s very difficult to run the full version. Min $6k to get 7 tokens per second.
I hear its easy, but I’ve had no luck at all on the most distilled models (for prelim testing), and am wondering how things have broken so badly.
Here’s one for 2k if you don’t mine jank (edit: and 3-4 tokens :) )
digitalspaceport.com/how-to-run-deepseek-r1-671b-…
Good to see some socialist policy’s making their way to the US…
Oh wait…
next up: US Bill proposed to jail people who watch MSNBC US Bill proposed to jail people who watch PBS US Bill proposed to jail people who don’t buy a cybertruck US Bill proposed to jail people who don’t vote GOP
So much freedom, so little time.
Do you think those channels are left? LoL
They don’t need to be to be vilified.
Because China “leveraged” US technology 20 years ago, US politicians bring it up as a current shittalking point still. Deepseek, being open source, is opportunity for Americans to gain technology transfer from China, without “stealing”.
There is a desperation to protect US AI, mostly so that AI companies are indebted into serving the empire, and maybe the GOP,
Something AI is extremely capable today is deciding who to ban on reddit, or at the individual voter level, decide who should be turned away from elections. Recent US election had record voter suppression and forced provisional ballots that were never counted. Previously, black was a sufficient suppression incentive. AI makes it easy to target individuals or other factors. Musk, being praised for understanding “election machines”, now with access to SS numbers and an ability to link to voters or views on Israel/genocide, is a super power that ensures being king maker in perpetuity.
Was this Google translated from Chinese? That was chunky to read.
Saw this coming as soon as Microsoft immediately wanted to investigate.
Deepseek is going to be a Chinese military complex on the books shortly.
Sounds like they haven’t got better things to do if they’re drafting these kinds of bills
They don’t.
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The desperation… It reeks
This is astounding.
I mean, not the Deepseek or jailing stuff. I mean a Senator actually proposing a law. I thought the way our government worked was, the annoying orange declares a vague uncited threat to be bad, and signs an executive order on it!
No, we also allow mega corporations to submit bills that get rubber stamped by a rep somewhere. I don’t think a corporation would be so audacious as to submit this, so it’s a rare case of original content.
I think the average IQ of republicans must be 20.
No, that’s collective IQ
Lol rich coming from a class of people who can’t even open up a fucking pdf in their email
ways to self-sabotage (100% speedrun)
You overestimate the strength of the cognitive dissonance. These people have somehow found a way to overcome the concept of hypocrisy and the consequences for it. They’re impervious to shame and repercussions.
This is them gathering their strength. The more we care about facts and honesty, the more they win. This is kind of the endgame
Land of the free
Land of the free only refers to owning guns.
Yes the ban on TikTok is working! We’re getting more and more freer!!! The kids will be saved!!! \s \s \s
“Victory for free speech (as long as it means only we get to talk”)! /s
not back-dated so download away fellas (not sure if a law can apply on acts before it was a law)
In principle: no. But Americans no longer have any principles (or never did in the first place)
Ex post facto laws are expressly prohibited in Article I, so they can’t pass a law criminalizing downloads from before the law was passed.
They can, however, criminalize possessing a copy of DeepSeek. In that case you’d be legally required to delete it after the law passed.
They also can’t amend the constitution via executive order or deport US citizens, but watch them try it anyway
Yup.
“they can’t do that, that’s illegal!”
Shame the law doesn’t mean Jack Fucking Shit now.
The law is whatever they want it to be at any moment.
That order lasted about 10 minutes before a judge appointed by Ronald Fucking Reagan.
Not sure about the laws wording, but if it is open source just create a branch with a different name.
I have seekdeep, nothing at all like DeepSeek
I wasn’t gonna, but now I gotta…
You laugh, but stay safe
Its open source lol. Why don’t the tech billionaires innovate? Instead they just ban competitors
turns out all that shit about open markets, free trade, competition was just while they had no competition to exploit it after WW2 left Europe and Asia devastated, now that China (with their own protectionism) is doing it better than the US…back to protectionism and fascism.
Senator Josh Hawley was in his office, fumbling with a collection of outdated gadgets. His desk was cluttered with a clunky flip-phone, a ancient computer tower, and stacks of CDs labeled “Software for Dummies.” He had just been reading about this newfangled AI technology that everyone was buzzing about—though he wasn’t entirely sure what an AI was.
The phone rang, jolting him out of his thoughts. He fumbled with the flip-phone, trying to press the correct buttons to answer. When he finally managed to say “Hello,” his voice dripped with confusion.
“Senator Hawley, this is Greg from OpenAI. I wanted to discuss your proposed legislation about AI downloads,” the voice on the other end said.
Hawley leaned back in his chair, trying to look wise. “Legislation? Oh, right, that’s what they call laws these days. Something about jailing people who download stuff from China.”
Greg sighed. “It’s not just about downloading, Senator. It’s about AI models—complex software that can learn and adapt, like DeepSeek.”
Hawley’s brow furrowed. He hadn’t heard of DeepSeek before. “DeepSeek? That sounds communist to me. Probably tracking your thoughts or something.”
Greg tried to explain how AI works, but Hawley kept interrupting with questions about old technologies he thought were relevant. “So if someone downloads this AI, it’s like a CD-ROM, right? You just stick it in and hope it works?”
Greg pressed on, trying to translate the concept of cloud computing into terms Hawley might understand. “It’s more like… a virtual flip-phone that you can talk to without actually holding it.”
Hawley looked down at his desk, where his actual flip-phone was sitting. “I’m not sure I follow. Why would downloading this AI be bad?”
“Because DeepSeek is state-sponsored and could be used maliciously,” Greg said. “It’s like giving someone a modem to the Chinese government.”
Hawley brightened up. “Oh! Like that time I tried to use a dial-up connection? That was dangerous, wasn’t it? You didn’t know who was listening!”
Greg couldn’t help but laugh. “I’m not sure you’re understanding this correctly, Senator. This isn’t about phone calls or CDs—it’s about advanced algorithms that could change everything.”
Hawley stood up, clutching his flip-phone like it was a weapon. “Advanced? Sounds like the kind of thing that could be used to spy on people or start wars! Just like those CDs I tried to use once—they had some kind of communist software.”
Greg hesitated but decided to play along. “So you’re saying if someone downloads DeepSeek, they might be helping a foreign power? That’s why you want to jail them?”
Hawley nodded vigorously. “Exactly! It’s like having a modem without the filter. I propose jailing these people to protect our freedoms.”
Greg exchanged a glance with his colleague, who was now staring at him in disbelief. Finally, he said, “ Senator, this isn’t how technology works. If you jail people for downloading AI models, you’re not protecting innovation—you’re stifling it.”
Hawley squinted at Greg as if he were staring into the sun. “Stifle? I’m trying to stop something dangerous. You think I don’t know about this communist tech? I’ve seen it on the internet—full of viruses and stuff.”
Greg took a deep breath, realizing there was no way to reason with Hawley in this state. “Well, if that’s your stance, just remember: you’re not alone. There are people out there who think AI is a threat.”
Hawley smirked. “Good. People like me keep them in check.”
The call finally ended, and Greg sat back in his chair, shaking his head. “Senator Hawley is running for re-election,” he muttered to himself. “And if this bill passes, it’s going to be a nightmare.”
As for Senator Hawley, he was already back at his desk, scribbling notes about how to protect the country from “AI invasions.” He had no idea what he was up against—but one thing was certain: he was ready to fight.
These people will keep pushing and pushing. They know this is ridiculous, but if they flood the public with this bullshit, eventually the overton window shifts and people get brainwashed into thinking cult shit like this is good.
The USA is in panic mode, they thought they could undermine China’s development just like they did with ball-sucking Europe, now there is a need for other nation to come up with their own models, and show the US they should stop underpinning monopolies.
Hehe…that shit makes me laugh