We actually live in a world now in which the President of the United States explicitly states his intent to overtly violate the first amendment and the media just repeats it as if nothing of any note is going on.
and the media just repeats it as if nothing of any note is going on.
Mainstream media at least. Thankfully, Arstechnica and The Verge have been shouting from the rooftops at how unconstitutional and fascist the trump regime is being.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca
on 27 Sep 09:42
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Because the public, apart from maybe one kid in Utah, is just sitting there allowing it.
clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 09:44
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Your first amendment only applies to congress and legislative bodies at state and municipal levels. Private citizens and corporations technically can do whatever they want.
mrmanager@lemmy.today
on 27 Sep 10:51
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I think we actually get to understand now how Hitler came to power. I remember in school, I was mystified how such an hateful man could become a leader of a country. Now I understand.
History will most likely repeat itself and humanity needs a big war to once again remember what hate leads to.
It just sucks for the ones who already learned that lesson from basic history.
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 27 Sep 12:07
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Watching it unfold before me and still I’m baffled. This all still doesn’t make any sense.
The media reports on it, attempting to do so from a neutral point of view.
I actually appreciate that the professional media is still attempting to stick to a neutral point of view. If they abandon that, you get media like MSNBC and Fox News where every single news story is discussed from a certain political point of view. That just sorts people into camps that listen to the news source that agrees with their perceived notions, which then radicalizes them even more.
If people can’t agree on a basic set of facts, then there’s no point to having a democracy. A media that covers the facts with as little bias as possible is essential to that working.
That isn’t to say that I think the media is doing a great job. The big media companies that are owned by the oligarchs are doing especially badly. When Trump does something like this, responsible media that’s attempting to be unbiased should at least connect historical dots, like other times that presidents have threatened the media, and what the results of that have been.
I said something similar on Reddit and got permanently banned lol! America stands by watching as this clown turns his country into a dictatorship. Worst neighbors ever!
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
on 26 Sep 21:31
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Trump says TikTok should be tweaked to become “100%
Me says posts that start with “Trump says” should be tweaked to become 100% invisible.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
on 26 Sep 22:35
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Ignoring the problem won’t make it go away, though
The moment Trump says any sort of number the event should just end, return to your regularly scheduled programming, no need for any further attention because you know for a fact that everything he says past that point is complete fiction without a shred of usefulness to anybody.
No one’s going to convince me that an accurate numerical figure has ever passed through that man’s lips, and if it did, it was a cosmic accident.
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 26 Sep 21:31
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Good thing they don’t have the skills to do it and make it attractive to the currect users. I’m fine with Larry Ellison’s losing billions in the process.
evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world
on 26 Sep 21:45
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They literally did that with Facebook. Yeah, plenty of people left, but it worked.
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 26 Sep 21:49
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Yeah, facebook didn’t do that. Facebook is “popular” with the old 50+ and force use in developing countries. The more right FB goes, the more they lose younger people. It’s the snake eating it’s own tail.
Whenever conservatives argue or demand that something be changed because they want it to … you know that any change they make will only last as long as the money is flowing.
I used to be like you I used to think it was just full of young kids doing silly dances, turns out a lot of information doesn’t really need more than two or three minutes to explain it and everything else is fluff so yeah, it’s a great place. I don’t know where this hate comes from.
For me its general dislike for influencers and platforms where people are encouraged to put a face behind content, go viral, and make money off of due to tending to attract content from people coming off like aspiring infomercial hosts. Like labubu I didn’t even know about until South Park, so it was like kind of awe inspiring what a huge hive mind of mass reach it can be for those part of it.
But then again I don’t like twitch and most big YouTube content creators either for a similar reason, so I might be just an anomaly when it comes to social media. I don’t like Twitter and Instagram either.
I’ve preferred social media where people interact for the sake of interacting, since the foundation for potential monetary pay off or fame is really poor for that. So more message board type stuff like lemmy, reddit, and old school forums. Things where there’s less of a chance of someone going in to try to turn it into a side hustle.
You can easily avoid big influencers on the app. It’s a lot of small people sharing bits and pieces of their individual lives for entertainment And Education It’s so great.
It is too social for me. I’m not interested in a platform that tends to push people to put a face or name behind an account. I prefer it to just be like the conversation we are having now where you are just another random user name.
And I perceive more positives to not using social media like tiktok, twitter, threads, or Instagram with huge corporate backing and invasive apps than using it. And times those social media even comes up as a useful search result has been pretty much zero. So that’s just a big pass on tiktok for me. Even more so with the leadership change.
Well, we do live in a social world, and regardless of what people will tell you, the Internet is not fake, it’s very real, but I’m not going to try to convince you to check it out, just let you know that you are missing some quality information content, and maybe new favorite people that you wouldn’t otherwise be exposed to.
I’m no interested in tiktok. I don’t need tiktok for a social connection. I wasn’t here for a recruitment to tiktok, but just answering your initial question of providing a viewpoint to those that dislike it. I respect your right to use tiktok or any other alternatives. It just happens to be not for me.
Yeah, I get it different people learn differently, but the search function on TikTok is pretty good. They got a good algorithm behind it, don’t just write it off, at least fuck around with it before you throw it in the trash, please I’m begging you. You only have to give it about 10 minutes before the algorithm starts getting in its groove and that would be a good time before it’s an under American control just to look at what it was
Short form video is the single best propaganda machine there is. You don’t get context, so it’s easy to manipulate events. Also, for some reason, people really fall for the “authority” of some rando talking into a camera like they know what the hell they’re talking about.
Every time somebody shows me a TikTok video as a reference or to make a point, the information is either fake or completely incorrect.
Not to mention, The algorithm feeds you more of these talking heads and makes you think it’s the general consensus
These are all good points, but I fact check and I don’t fall for stupid easily shareable meme bullshit, everybody’s algorithm is their own so yeah echo chambers are easy to get into but it’s mostly just slice of life type content. That’s the really good stuff
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
on 27 Sep 08:32
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Mobile web or bust.
And man have some websites gone bust…
NormalOnNSFW@lemmynsfw.com
on 27 Sep 18:52
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I used it for the first and last time after Charlie Kirk, because it was one of the few places where the memes were more or less unmoderated. They’re going to have a fun time trying to crack down on that I guess.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Sep 22:02
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Gen Z is so dumb that they’re all going to be Nazis is 6 months.
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io
on 26 Sep 22:07
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I scoff at your statement, O' Lizard!
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 26 Sep 22:28
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I wonder if gen Z has media literacy. I am expecting approximately 0% to discontinue TicTok as result of the acquisition.
Edit: Sorry for being lizardy.
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io
on 26 Sep 23:09
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No worries. We've all got that Lizard Brain deep down inside. Gen Z appears to have some literacy, thank goodness for that. More than I was aware of from direct interaction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Generation_Z# Mostly I've noticed a subtle sarcasm, which If I try to emulate it just comes out sounding mean. So I don't do that anymore.
After repetitive exposure to this propaganda (repetition priming), the people were beginning to believe and stand up for what each respective government had been flashing before their eyes, without them even knowing it.
The fact of being exposed to propaganda and misinformation, repeatedly and continuously, has a psychological affect over time.
The individual must not be allowed to recover, to collect himself, to remain untouched by propaganda during any relatively long period, for propaganda is not the touch of the magic wand. It is based on slow, constant impregnation. It creates convictions and compliance through imperceptible influences that are effective only by continuous repetition. It must create a complete environment for the individual, one from which he never emerges.
From my experience they do not. I shit you not their only source of news is tick tock. It’s somehow worse than the people who only get their news from Facebook. I have a brother who pretends to understand media literacy and constantly goes on about ground news but they never actually open it and read anything from it as far as I can tell because the only stories I get sent are directly from tick tock.
Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip
on 26 Sep 23:13
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Most of Gen Z are in their twenties and capable of thinking for themselves.
Generally speaking, they’ve grown up accustomed to and accepting of neurodivergence, gender fluidity, and the spectrum of sexualities.
It’s the younger and older generations I’m more worried about.
They’re also MUCH more susceptible to misinformation and propaganda than the “in-between” generations. They aren’t as affected by traditional media, sure, but their new media sources are heavily propagandized, with visibility manipulated by the worst people in the world. They might HEAR about the dangers of misinformation or propaganda in the periphery, but with their primary interface being a handful of apps on a mobile device, there’s not much they can do about it without extensive education they aren’t getting.
Got any evidence of that? Or are you just flattering yourself
scintilla@crust.piefed.social
on 27 Sep 00:21
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You see that you’re doing the generations thing right? Like you are doing the “lazy millennials” thing but just at a different generation. You’re falling for their propaganda.
Generally each generation is like 20ish years, with some variation in exactly what years, but that doesn’t really make sense anymore since culture changes so fast these days.
Only 54% of Gen Z voted for Harris and Gen Z males have a pretty big far-right problem. It’s not random nonsense about eating dirt or being on their phones, they’re actually being pretty fucking awful at way too high a rate for people that young.
Because the person I replied was trying to say that the person they replied to was falling for propaganda and compared it to call millenials lazy. We know for a fact that millenials generally work harder, and for less, than the older generations that were/are doing the complaining. In this case, we the older generation is complaining about Gen Z not being nearly as progressive as one would expect, even to the point where we can say they actually have a problem with conservatism, and the statistics back that up as fact.
TL;DR: “millenials are lazy” is made up to try to pay us less despite the statistics showing it to be a huge lie and “GenZ has way too many conservatives” is an observable fact complete with actual numbers.
There’s a lot in this article that goes through it. The split is way too close for a generation that you hope would be fairly solidly progressive. The women are doing well, the men are really struggling to hold up their end, especially the white men.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 13:42
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I think I will read this article. I am interested in what society can do to help these young men.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 13:38
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Let’s see how many of Gen Z Americans get off TikTok after it becomes more of a propaganda machine. I wonder how European kids feel about it. They went through Covid and missed part of an already terrible education. So now they have no idea that they are just being programmed to be a bunch of assholes. I think it will work. If we don’t find a plan to do something, we are in bad shape. We need Project 2029.
al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com
on 27 Sep 04:59
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Looks around everything is still fucked on earth and climate change is gonna kill us all, did it even fucking matter we didn’t become Nazis -mostly S . Seriously I want to leave.
lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 27 Sep 05:37
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As an older Gen Z, this generation is very split. The Gen Z in their twenties are extremely progressive and left-leaning, whereas younger Gen Z are deep in the alt-right pipeline. Obviously this doesn’t apply to everyone, but Gen Z really is two generations smooshed into one.
It’s the incel/red-/black-pill bullshit. I am an older millennial, turned 41 yesterday, in fact, and I have noticed the split in the gen-Z generation. At some point a lot stopped trying to grow as a person and started blaming women and minorities for why they were single and unfavorable to their preferred mates/society. Accountability and integrity just sort of stopped mattering to them when it became easier and more socially acceptable to be a shitty person and still gain fans/clout/etc.
Then comes along all these ‘bros’ who sell them this idea that their problem is just not being a big enough dick and being rich, loud, and large, Eden if you have to fake it until you make it. They promote the debunked study of alpha males and champion the grind, self-made mentality while pinning the blame for their future failures on outside factors like immigration and higher ed.
I had high hopes that we could unfuck the world together, with the leadership of gen-Z, but I didn’t think republican enough about how far the backslide would be. Now, I just expect to see the world crumble as the younger gen are lambs to the slaughter for the wars, sports, and land grabs of the ultra-rich.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
on 27 Sep 08:36
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Its the billionaires against the working class, not generations fighting generations.
Thankyou. I’m right now watching Internet Today’s coverage of it, which also confirmed it. There’s also this interesting snippet from the CNBC article they quote from:
“No representatives from ByteDance were present at the signing, and the company hasn’t acknowledged that a transaction is taking place. No purchase price was mentioned, and there’s no indication that the Chinese government has made changes to laws that would be necessary for a deal to take place.”
Thanks for the correction, it’s somehow worse because it low-key confirms he wants a christian theocracy, since there won’t be any non-christians left in his ideal America.
littletranspunk@lemmus.org
on 27 Sep 00:52
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Sure, it’ll just kill the app in the US because fascists lack any creativity so it’ll become a stale echo chamber before people just leave
Bro. You’re just a weird weird little Imp here, Are you hoping to trigger people, is that all that gets you off these days? Is that the only way you can cum.
To be fair, I don’t think Xitter is really dead? It certainly took a hit though 🤷
DrDickHandler@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 03:17
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Twitter is 5% nutjobs, 95% bots. You really need a mental illness to be able to browse Twitter unironically.
_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus
on 27 Sep 03:17
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yeah, because it’s bankrolled by one billionaire now, so it doesn’t matter how badly he runs it, as long as he decides to keep it up. it could never make a single dime ever again, and he could run it for as long as he wanted because he makes vastly more than twitter costs.
back when it was public, if it had lost this many advertisers when it wasn’t profitable to start with, it might have been a very different situation for them. they had to convince investors to keep giving them money back then.
blattrules@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 01:58
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I never used it because of the Chinese government affiliation. I’d feel even less inclined to use it with maga affiliation.
It being outside of the United States and outside of United States control was an absolute benefit for me, What was your reason for hating it while it was under Chinese control?
Yeah, but it isn’t under American control, which is the most important part, or at least it was. Anyways, I’m not going to keep badgering you to try to convince you to get on it, but I would also admonish you for not at least giving it 30 minutes of your time when you were bored just to screw around with it before you wrote it off completely
There are multiple reasons for me. First and foremost is the data collection that they’ve been accused of; I know American companies do the same thing, but there’s something more nefarious about a state run data collection scheme than a public company collecting data to sell you ads, which I’m also trying to avoid as much as possible. Next, I don’t support their labor practices - using child, slave (Uyghurs) and cheaper labor is a big deterrent. I realize that some level of that is unavoidable with the way our society is based, but I don’t really need another social media outlet in my life anyway, so it’s a really easy cut for me.
Oh yeah, also because a state run social media app is something that I feel is an easy way for that state to push propaganda.
Lol. But American labour practices are just fine with you then?
Also, fun fact, even after years of accusations, nobody has been able to find actual credible evidence of “Uyghur slaves”. Meanwhile, penal slavery is just an acceptable norm in the US
You’ve done nothing to instill any confidence in me about Chinese state sponsored social media apps and only supported my original point that I trust a US state sponsored social media app LESS than one from china at this point.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 02:42
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It didn’t kill twitter. It might be shit, but still used by hundreds of millions, and is a popular public communications outlet
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Sep 15:34
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It is on the decline though, preserved more by switching costs than by user preferences. It’d be interesting to see if Trump can cause an even faster rate of decline than Elon has.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
on 27 Sep 08:27
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Just a heads up, the "in Minecraft " defense has been tested in our “justice” system and it will not protect you.
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Sep 08:33
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Noted. Thanks.
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk
on 27 Sep 06:23
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Genuinely, how would it be any different to Twitter and Truth Social then? I’ve not used any of them so maybe I don’t understand the distinction between each
TikTok is a short video social platform. People post only videos. The two you mentioned are short public messaging social platforms, with the capability to post/include videos.
That’s not really what this is about, though. TikTok was not under their control, so they’re trying to take control and follow their script of media and social control.
Have you not been paying attention? Trump tested the waters of attacking Panama, Greenland, and absorbing Canada as a “51st state”. He really wants a war SOMEWHERE so he can try to halt the next election. It has to be close and scary, or Americans won’t bat an eye. We are so used to wars elsewhere.
MAGA will 100% believe it if he says Canada is sending fentanyl over on a nuke or something and they will be excited to go to war over it.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
on 27 Sep 12:08
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Have you not been paying attention? Trump says a lot of bullshit. I don’t think you should be taking him at his word for anything.
I re-affirm my previous statement. I can’t even comprehend the idea of the US attacking Canada. It would be extremely stupid of him and I don’t think the people around his orbit would allow it because it would endanger all of them.
Trump would probably launch strikes on the Blue states so he can start a second Civil War if he wanted to.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
on 29 Sep 11:20
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thats exactly what he’s going to do. all these fucking people living in canada and mexico aren’t paying attention and they’re actually taking him at his word, which you should never fucking do, when he spouts some crazy bs about making canada a state or buying greenland or some other random shit.
When? Right after his economy starts tanking. He’s cut off a lot of his trading partners. He’s going to need money and resources fast. Canada has a lot of resources he needs, despite how hard he tries to claim otherwise.
He has threatened our annexation since his first term, although in a ‘joking’ way. This time he started the threats before he’d even been sworn in and he hasn’t stopped. He is still threatening annexation of Canada. He has not backed down. He has not apologized. He means it.
He’s a critically stupid man, but he’s an extremely dangerous one and his statements need to be taken seriously.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
on 29 Sep 11:24
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stop believing all of trumps distracting bullshit and start actually watch whats happening. he has no intent whatsoever of attacking canada. he’s going to attack blue states before he attacks anything. hell, he already is.
NoodlePoint@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 12:02
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They already attacked Iran without official declaration of war. That orange bastard wants to get Bagram back even though the Taliban would just laugh and let the Chinese take it.
Any fascist government requires the need for constant conflict and scapegoats for which to keep itself existing to reign. This includes even threatening to invade countries with punitive military campaigns. Or punishing certain states for “disloyalty” and growling to send troops and cops to “occupy” them.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
on 27 Sep 12:12
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Iran isn’t a neighbor and the US attacking the middle east is practically a habit at this point.
Of course not a neighbor but needs enemies to justify its existence. If he can order that, he might as well launch a strike upon Mexico.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Sep 12:52
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Nazi Germany had a bad geographical location. Strong powers to the east and west, including the UK as unsinkable aircraft carrier and staging ground for invasion. The USA has none of these issues. It’s surrounded by big oceans and militarily weak neighbors. A naval invasion of the USA is basically impossible.
The USA can do whatever they want in all countries in the Americas. Not even a worldwide coalition could stop that.
The USA could invade and annex Mexico and Canada quite easily.
The USA can also afford to intervene military across the globe, get stuck in a quagmire for years, and it doesn’t endanger their control over their own country.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
on 29 Sep 11:27
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launching an attack on either mexico or canada would be just about one of the dumbest things he could ever do. you actually believe the people advising him are going to let him do something like that? Something that would endanger all of their careers and their current well cemented grasp on power. There is no way.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
on 27 Sep 08:22
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And Democrats wanted to ban it for going against their narrative. Let me guess blue conservatives, should I be on my knees thanking the DNC for being ever so slightly less SHIT then the world’s lowest bar, the republican party?
Fuck the two party system. The USA deserves trump.
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 08:59
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There seems to be some correlation between lemmy.ml and shit takes.
So strange…🤔
I’m not quite following you. First, I never heard about Democrats wanting to ban it for their narrative; I only know about the bipartisan ban. Is that what you mean? Second, what are you talking about with the thanking the DNC thing? What does that have to do with this?
Lastly, I strongly disagree that we deserve Trump. Nobody deserves right wing lunacy, especially not a large society that did not uniformly support his candidacy in any way. Do you think Germany deserved Hitler?
the_wise_wolf@feddit.org
on 27 Sep 08:30
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Another interesting news! I’m blessed!
Like they already do missinformation.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 27 Sep 09:36
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And it’s going to be governed by uncle Larry’s company.
You know, actually this is so grotesquely American that I’m enjoying looking at it from far away.
And it might look nice when you over there are done with the circus and then done with killing each other.
Fedditor385@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 09:47
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I know a different guy from history who also has seen great potential in media for propaganda.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Sep 09:58
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TikTok was never good. Have at it.
Though, he is always free to start his own MAGA-themed video service, much like he did with Truth Social. I think the problem is — and if he doesn’t know it, he’s been advised, with crayons and hand puppets — that running a server serving video is orders of magnitude more expensive than running a server hosting a text-based social network.
TikTok and Instagram were never good, but they provided a platform for people on the streets to provide real time updates on current events that countered the state narrative/propaganda on main stream media.
TikTok and Instagram exposed the truth about the American empire to a significant portion of the population. They want to make sure it’s all controlled state approved content, they want to eliminate our ability to reach eyes and ears.
So sure, have at the Chinese propaganda platform, but not without an alternative that allows us to reach wide audiences… And we don’t have an alternative… Not enough people are on the fediverse and the learning curve is pretty massive.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
on 27 Sep 10:18
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they’ve made protest illegal by classifying antifa as terrorist, now they’re coming after social media to make sure there is no outlet for protest online either. I don’t think people are making a big enough deal about this. This is extremely bad.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Sep 10:29
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Eh, I’ll “have at” TikTok for being shit because historically, it has been. It’s driven by memes and trash.
That said, over the past couple years I’ve heard lots of good things. “BookTok” and other -Tok’s being communities within the service — I admit I don’t know how it is because I’ve never used it — but also, the rapid decline of YouTube has made me seriously consider getting on TikTok just to have something different. My resolve to be anti-TikTok has greatly reduced over the last couple years, as an “old guy” who does not like “social media”.
So yeah, credit where it’s due.
I’d love for the Fediverse to have a strong alternative, but again, the costs of running a video server that is anywhere close to being “widely used”…
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
on 27 Sep 10:16
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i really think you are minimizing how bad this is. This is the government weaponizing social media, much like elon musk weaponized twitter. Only this time, the social media is directly own by a fascist government regime. This is a massive massive conflict of interest which is going to 100% turn tik tok into a propaganda machine.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Sep 10:31
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TikTok was run by a fascist regime: China. It’s just, most Americans are not of much interest to Beijing. Their intelligence probably wants to know what is trendy in America so it can better appeal to us and influence our elections to serve their interests, but Beijing is probably not concerned at all with you or I as individuals. But if they can get us to vote for a candidate they support by showing us the parts of that candidate that we agree with, we can be used as a tool by Beijing. Now Washington wants that power.
I don’t like it either way.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
on 27 Sep 11:20
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At least China builds infrastructure. At least China has near universal healthcare. China seems to actually give a shit about its people to at least some extent.
Doesn’t America also have near universal healthcare then? The system is pretty similar, get insurance through work unless old or poor
Edit: lol downvotes. Both systems cost money and neither is universal. Stop simping the hypercapitalist republic of China, it’s not that much better than the US.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
on 27 Sep 12:09
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I think you’re unfamiliar with at least one of the two systems then because they’re described as pretty similar by people who have lived in both countries. Both are pay 2 play, American one is just more expensive.
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl
on 29 Sep 11:15
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you’re really piling on the bullshit here… im just gonna block you. bye.
Lol ok. Fact is, they have nearly the same coverage and both achieve it through private insurance usually paid by the employer - China just has a few more extra groups that get their equivalent of Medicare and Medicaid, but that’s it.
Ok but your not speaking to a Chinese, but to a Canadian, so don’t make me laugh any harder than you already have or I’ll need to go see a doctor for free.
I’m Estonian, I unfortunately can’t say it’s free, as it costs 5 euros per visit for ER and specialty doctors and 2.50 per night stayed in hospital if you have surgery or something.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Sep 15:30
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“He made the trains run on time”
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Sep 10:45
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I’m not saying Washington/the US is better than China. But, the devil you know. Also, the devil we know (the west) has probably lied to us in a few ways about China. I remember as a kid I believed children in China were starving. I also remember hearing that they kill female babies (and often not humanely) because of their one child policy. My dream when I was a kid was to save all those girls and educate them and teach them basic fighting skills… may have been like a Charlies Angels kind of thing going on in my head.
China absolutely has interest in Americans, just not in the way you’d think. Social media is addictive, and TikTok is no exception. Quick bursts of media that result in dopamine hits creates addiction and eyes glued to a screen that can push whatever agenda China wants. Studies have shown social media and ai have an affect on intelligence and learning, and China knows full well that in the long game, this results in the dumbing down of society.
TikTok is doing exactly what it was designed for, sowing division and misinformation to destabalize the US. It works too.
As with all social media, as soon as grandma and grandpa get on, it all goes down hill.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Sep 15:26
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It’s gone full circle. Grandparents are the only reason I even have a Facebook account anymore.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 11:45
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The open corruption, clear as day illegal and unconstitutional moves, and his overall smugness is embarrassing.
The GOP has gone insane to allow this man to continue like this. They are all sick with power and are hoping to “get theirs” next from daddy trump.
They are ALL traitors and should be charged for allowing the crimes to continue.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 13:13
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But they don’t have the fucking power. They’re letting Trump do whatever he wants, and eroding their own authority in the process.
LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 15:27
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“I don’t want real power, because with real power comes real responsibility, and I don’t want any of that shit. I just want the money. And the illusion of power. And puss.”
explodicle@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Sep 15:24
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IMO, that site doesn’t really look like it wants to succeed. Seems like the mobile apps are still in development, so maybe the site is intentionally like that, for now.
The most obvious difference: When I open that link, I see no video. If I open tiktok.com, I see a video.
That’s just from a cursory look though. I’ve never heard of them, so I could easily be wrong.
the dump doesn’t belong in Politics. Simple Common Sense
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 13:32
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Tiktok was China’s soft propaganda because they suppressed unfavorable content rather then promote favorable content. Trump going full MAGA with it would kill the platform because people use tiktok to stop thinking about distressing things. Not be exposed to more of it.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
on 28 Sep 02:05
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What would he care if it kills a lot of use. Some will stay, even if it becomes just an echo chamber, there will be users who don’t leave and slowly get fed more and more content that changes their bias.
A propaganda machine does have to reach 100% of the population, it just needs to pluck small percentages that were on the outskirts and hold the current believers in a situation where they believe this is better than whatever bologna scenario they make up would happen if they weren’t doing this. America is MUCH safer place to live today than it was when I was born back in 89’.
Yet a large portion of the population does not believe that, because they throw murders in people’s faces through every facet of our lives to make people feel afraid and use security as an excuse to gain further control over people’s rights.
Anyone who thinks “I could leave my doors unlocked back in the 1990s and I can’t today” has been fooled.
Anyone who thinks subways, trains, or public transit isn’t multiple times safer than getting into a car and driving to work, has been fooled.
And social media as well as news stations want us to be angry and scared, because it gets people engaged. Engagement makes them money. Happy people who feel safe go outside and go to the beach, play sports, go hiking, go to movies, join a book club, have a hobby of some sort. None of those things make news outlets money. Social media could, because they could sell ad slots to people who sell products for those hobbies… but I guess it doesn’t make as much.
I’ve been averse to trends like this, but I did get on Facebook and Insta this summer at the urging of some friends (I run a nonprofit so it’s useful to network). By last week I had both apps on my phone and was just numbscrolling through Insta videos. Realized my mental health had gone to absolute shit in weeks. Deleted the apps andI’m feeling myself again.
It really is dangerous what they’ve created, if I didn’t have ambition, I would be right there zombified.
me nervously doom-scrolling on lemmy via voyager 👀
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 20:33
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Never really understood the culture of gormlessly scrolling through mind-numbing content.
It was less a “cultural thing” and more a functional drift. From the RSS feed to Web2.0 timelines to feed by preference to The Algorithm of ad-promoted content.
Like with email, it wasn’t always just a fountain of spam. Our systems have been deliberately and predatorially enshittified.
There’s a great deal of real news that goes through the app. It’s the majority of the content I see.
Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com
on 29 Sep 17:50
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Is there though?
I know this sounds sarcastic, but I’m genuinely curious as I have never used TikTok at all. It there any way to verify the stuff that’s being shown? Do news accounts link to articles or any supporting information?
All I’ve ever really seen from people sharing stuff has been new typical meme stuff and AI generated crap that people keep sending me thinking it’s real.
The good “creators” to follow for news generally provide a summary in Tiktok, then if you want to verify or learn more they have additional information and sources in their other locations (substack is a big one)
I can generally tell if it’s AI generated, and if I have any suspicion then I try to find other reports and real sources via Google searches and whatnot. Like I didn’t believe the gold trump statue, or the trump and Epstein statue were real.
Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com
on 30 Sep 02:02
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Good to know there’s some context available if you want it. Thanks for taking the time to reply!
You know, given how exploitative and harmful TikTok has been from the start, it might have been better never to use it at all.
I’m guilty of being on TikTok too, mainly used to keep up with a few artists I listen to, but at the end of the day, the platform is just another exploitative data-harvesting machine.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 19:48
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I uhhh never used it to begin with so I’m good boss
I sometimes feel like the only mf around who doesn’t and never used tiktok. From the very start it just gave off bad vibes, and then all the news started coming out about it rotting your attention span away, data collection and russian manipulation winning hearts of young people, which pretty much confirmed my suspicions. Ironically reddit feels like a much safer platform than tiktok.
Maga should totally mess around with social media censorship, worked out great in Indonesia
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Sep 23:45
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Even better in Nepal.
Formfiller@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 20:20
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Wow that sounds like a fun way to bankrupt another company
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 27 Sep 21:08
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He bankrupted a casino, he knows what he’s doing.
I suppose that’s why the people paying for his campaign chose him, to bankrupt a nation you need someone this talented.
Why do they need said nation bankrupt I don’t know, maybe to make it fail while the failure will still be not too gigantic to recover from, and maybe for yet another pump-and-dump scheme, except this time with a country and not an industry. Depends on how optimistic you are about their motives.
Formfiller@lemmy.world
on 27 Sep 21:11
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Russia wanted the us bankrupt and as corrupt as them.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 27 Sep 21:39
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Russia is 1) not that powerful by far, 2) its elites, those very ones spoken about when expressing these conspiracy theories, are pissing hot water from a mere hint of being friends with any US administration.
They have sort of an inferiority complex, there was recently a damned TV report, apparently, about an American diplomat visiting a cafe and ordering a cheburek (Central Asian street food). It’s so much bootlicking that one can confidently say Russia’s elites are much bigger US fans than Russians in average.
They might be unintentionally making the effect you described upon the US, while trying to somehow become part of its processes, but it’s a small nudge compared to the more serious reasons.
I think this is because the people who are now Russia’s elite came to power in the 90s, a lot of ex-Soviet people looked at the situation pretty simply - as in “we were the losing superpower in this cold war thing, now it’s ended and we are friends, so we are going to become like America in those movies with white middle class people all owning cars and houses”, and those of them who were doing politics, apparently, wanted to have their own political system as “cool” (or whatever, some immeasurable feeling) as the American one.
The Iron Curtain was a huge mistake, people who put it in place were thinking in 30s categories when the 30s were long gone. People inside thought that they only put barriers before you to protect something you’d want to have. A generation of Soviet people grew with that feeling, where everything Soviet was boring and bad, and everything Western magical and good. It wasn’t even about freedom or morality. Just about “coolness”. People breaking the USSR in the 80s and 90s knew that the world around it isn’t virtuous and kind, but they thought it’s “cooler”. Everyone thinks they’d do well when put into an adventure, when safe. Nobody thinks they’ll be some guy who gets eaten by a crocodile on the second page, or a coward, or an idiot, or a sucker.
So. When the Russian “wide mass” realized that for the West it consists of suckers and crocodile fodder, it became disillusioned and the wound healed, except for some rare idiots who kept believing into that picture, not being exposed to reality.
When the Russian elites realized that, they just decided to lower the bar, and be content with playing US sometimes, and getting US citizenship for themselves and their children, and being there often, and playing with US politics. I don’t think it’s directed at somehow corrupting and undoing the US, simply not enough power. They are just regularly touching in the shop something they can’t afford to buy.
Trump has wanted to destroy the United States since we captured Epstein in 2011 and shut down the best of his trafficking ring. It was never the same after that and that’s why he was suddenly so outspoken about Obama.
Take away a narcissist’s toys and they’ll just vow revenge at all costs. He doesn’t care that he’s destroying millions of lives - we took away his favorite thing; underaged “playmates”.
The rest of them are just assholes who think they can get rich and in some cases, have.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
on 28 Sep 09:29
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He bankrupted a casino, but still was paid millions to do so.
He will bankrupt the US, but is being paid billions to do so.
When the USSR collapsed, it made some well-connected millionaires into billionaires. When the USA collapsed, it makes billionaires into trillionaires.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 30 Sep 09:23
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It made very different people millionaires and billionaires. Some local businessmen (a very American type in stereotypes, something between a conman and a normal mom and pop business owner), some professors with good understanding of mathematics involved, some translators for big people, some red directors who converted their Soviet power into new power.
And in my childhood I thought they are all thieves, my worldview is more nuanced now. Life is complex.
People talk of KGB as of the main important target of all potential lustrations in the future, but Eugene Kaspersky is KGB, and of people meaningful in Russia he’s honestly very fine. Some people talk of Yeltsin as someone good, but he was a Politburo member. People who remember general Lebed sometimes think he was killed because he was an honest patriotic politician, and he surely made the impression with that simple Soviet flat with a rug on the wall, that Siberian manner of speech, those pacifist and humanist things he would say in interviews (he managed to say without accusations and conflict that people who are mafia or terrorists or both for one government are friends for another and this is business as usual ; he also managed to say without losing any dignity or surrendering any important point that Russians can’t fight more wars after the XX century and that people fight to live in peace, these seem pretty obvious, but some obvious things don’t sound good on TV), except when he was made governor of his part of the world, he quickly became, eh, a normal governor - with new realty and a lover in Moscow, with very expensive idiotic PR actions (like that campaign with Alain Delon in the middle of a depressive Soviet junkyard with a Lenin statue endorsing Lebed), and so on, somehow the memory of him omits those few last years of his life, before the helicopter crash.
Now when I think about it, I didn’t think they are all thieves, I knew life is complex and that I don’t personally know all these people.
So - American billionaires don’t want to be trillionaires, I think. They want to be princes. Perhaps patricians. Or maybe mandarins. The issue is that they are blind to how all three things existed, using them as labels for their own dream of power over humans without complications. Princes were subject to God, Pope and their suzerain, multiple such sometimes, like in Brittany or Holsten or … Patricians obeyed the customs of their republic, whose first citizen usually was a plebeian - the man who was first named “first citizen” notably was, and his cognomen is now used to refer to emperors. Mandarins lived in the kingdom where the only unbreakable law was the mandate of heaven, and weren’t considered better people - certainly no more than as far as their emperor had it.
I believe we will endure. I don’t know about the USA, but maybe it’s for the best that this project goes to version 2.0 .
So, Trump effectively nationalized TikTok, valued at $300b. He sells it to friendly oligarchs for $15b. So far, this is basically the post-USSR playbook, and how Roman Abravmovich, Alisher Usmanov, Vladimir Lisin, etc. got so rich.
But it might piss off his oligarch buddies if he drives all the users off TikTok making what seemed like a steal into something worthless instead.
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org
on 27 Sep 21:06
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In ex-USSR that happened as something destructive, but in USA honestly it’s normal, using institutional pressure to help friendly businesses. Trump is unusual only in how grotesque he is in his position, but history saw Talleyrand.
And US sanctioned Japan just because some of its businesses couldn’t compete, which didn’t kill Japanese car industry, but hurt Japanese computer industry, and sent Japan into recession from which it didn’t quite recover.
About driving users off - that doesn’t really happen unless you intentionally break everything. VKontakte be the experiment showing this, except TG was later made based on VK makers’ experience with social stuff, and was very successful, and is now basically the most convenient messaging\social platform. When something FOSS manages to reproduce the experience of TG, then FOSS messaging and social systems stand a chance. So - some of the life moved from VK to TG, but it’s more of VK’s experience stagnating and being too complex and overloading, not of people fleeing it.
normalexit@lemmy.world
on 28 Sep 00:41
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This will be truth social again with a pre-existing user base and better algorithms. People will drop off, but they will probably boil the frog slowly to keep people around.
For some reason, people have stuck with Twitter. But, the users of TikTok are not the same as the users of Twitter, so who knows, maybe they won’t stick with it.
Man, I just thought about the AI deep fakes. I never had a Tiktok (and left any remaining social media a long time ago) and I applaud anybody who is jumping ship right now. But the brain drain is extremely dangerous with the AI stuff.
Everyone has those friends who keep sharing you stuff from tiktok. I also happen to be pretty good with AI, run my own local models and all that (I know lemmy hates AI, but just for context…). The thing I’ve noticed is that by the each passing month, they keep sending me more and more AI generated or edited stuff, it’s rapidly on the rise. If it has become so good only people with trained eye can spot it, how will tiktok look in 2 years?
I knew this shit would be abused eventually. A year and a half and this publicly though. With how bipartisan support for this there was in congress and publicly, an instance of leaopards eating their face for those certain that safeguards would work/future bills would pass to improve the safeguards (how often does that ever happen? Post-9/11?)
Kurious84@lemmings.world
on 28 Sep 02:08
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And renamed to Hate Tok
modernangel@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Sep 02:14
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Trump says TikTok should be tweaked to become “100% Epstein files”
F_State@midwest.social
on 28 Sep 02:17
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Unsurprising that a guy collapsing the Republic into a fascist dictatorship says that TikTok should be a mouthpiece for the Government. It’s time for someone in a country that ISN’T the US, Russia, or China to start a TikTok rival for people to switch to.
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world
on 28 Sep 05:27
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PeacefulForest@lemmy.world
on 28 Sep 04:53
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Yeah I just hope it kills the app, which I’m sure it will. I never began using it in the first place but seeing it take over all of my fellow Gen Z, you know, the same ones who have admitted to thinking politics don’t matter, won’t be very happy when their favorite app turns to even more utter trash
Hopefully this wins more minds away from social media and even more people can wake the fuck up here in Amerikkka.
I think people won’t care, at least this demographic fellow Gen Z. They still gonna use the app. Arguemnts such as “oh everyone uses this to send funny tiktoks to themselves it’s not that big of a deal” it will be just more shit to go through. Similar thing to Twitter. Everyone is so pissed at Elon because more bot accounts, you can’t or couldn’t block him and other shady stuff but still uses the twitter (X) because… everyone uses it.
Oh yeah true. Some people switched to Bluesky (I think that what you meant). I remember the (especially artists) moved like 2-3 years ago because all this changes about feeding the AI and Twitter just being garbage (all porn bots and people being hateful about anything you do).
I’m sure it really depends on where you live, but here in East Europe I’ve noticed tiktokkers slowly turning into Z’ers who start accepting Russian disinfo as facts. Meaning, it’s already pro-MAGA
RandomlyGeneratedName@lemmy.world
on 28 Sep 14:46
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Loops and other fediverse platforms are more important than ever. We need independent social media - not billionaire owned platforms.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 28 Sep 20:51
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What does it take to get people to switch, though? The owner of X did a Nazi salute in front of a national audience. Twice. And most people are still on there.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Sep 18:38
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They just don’t care or don’t even see it because they live in their personal bubble of like, sports news and little more.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Sep 22:43
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I’m mainly talking about celebrities and other “taste-makers”.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 01 Oct 14:50
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They go where the people are because impressions and engagement are money.
I dont care. At this point I just want something to contain them. Whatever app it must be please just dont let them leak onto the rest of the internet.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 02 Oct 12:42
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I love how we’re all fucked because boomers will never die. Honestly, Gen X has a lot more folks that let us down. It doesn’t matter the generation really. I know a pregnant gen Z, and all I can think about is how her kid, according to the popular generational theory, is going to be the next cycle of boomer. That’s probably why many young gen Zs are a bunch of little assholes. But then she was a screw up, and my gen, the millineals as everyone knows works harder and is still called lazy and had our own screw ups. Generations are what they are but having no chance at happiness due to the rich controlling every goddamn asset is a new kind of fucked we all have to endure.
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We actually live in a world now in which the President of the United States explicitly states his intent to overtly violate the first amendment and the media just repeats it as if nothing of any note is going on.
Well the media is owned by them so…
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Mainstream media at least. Thankfully, Arstechnica and The Verge have been shouting from the rooftops at how unconstitutional and fascist the trump regime is being.
I also heard Vogue magazine is actually not afraid to criticize as well
Teen Vogue is killing it right now. For example How ICE Raids Are Making It Easier for Civilian Men to Assault Immigrant Women
Because the public, apart from maybe one kid in Utah, is just sitting there allowing it.
Your first amendment only applies to congress and legislative bodies at state and municipal levels. Private citizens and corporations technically can do whatever they want.
I think we actually get to understand now how Hitler came to power. I remember in school, I was mystified how such an hateful man could become a leader of a country. Now I understand.
History will most likely repeat itself and humanity needs a big war to once again remember what hate leads to.
It just sucks for the ones who already learned that lesson from basic history.
Watching it unfold before me and still I’m baffled. This all still doesn’t make any sense.
Exactly. I see that it can happen, I am seeing it happen first hand. I still don’t understand why it’s happening.
Every 80 years, some country has to repeat this shit. Sucks it’s on our watch. But best to make the most of it. #NaziPunksFuckOff
Best advice: Chop wood and carry water, or in other words, prepare for hard times and be careful of which side you are on.
The media reports on it, attempting to do so from a neutral point of view.
I actually appreciate that the professional media is still attempting to stick to a neutral point of view. If they abandon that, you get media like MSNBC and Fox News where every single news story is discussed from a certain political point of view. That just sorts people into camps that listen to the news source that agrees with their perceived notions, which then radicalizes them even more.
If people can’t agree on a basic set of facts, then there’s no point to having a democracy. A media that covers the facts with as little bias as possible is essential to that working.
That isn’t to say that I think the media is doing a great job. The big media companies that are owned by the oligarchs are doing especially badly. When Trump does something like this, responsible media that’s attempting to be unbiased should at least connect historical dots, like other times that presidents have threatened the media, and what the results of that have been.
Fuck you orange cunt
He lacks the warmth and depth
I said something similar on Reddit and got permanently banned lol! America stands by watching as this clown turns his country into a dictatorship. Worst neighbors ever!
Me says posts that start with “Trump says” should be tweaked to become 100% invisible.
Ignoring the problem won’t make it go away, though
It would if they didn’t own all the media companies and got undue attention for their insane lies
Someone should time travel back to the early 20th century and tell this fact to the labor organizers that settled for the New Deal
Perhaps it would be better to focus on the insane shit he is doing and not the insane shit he is saying (which distracts from the doing).
The moment Trump says any sort of number the event should just end, return to your regularly scheduled programming, no need for any further attention because you know for a fact that everything he says past that point is complete fiction without a shred of usefulness to anybody.
No one’s going to convince me that an accurate numerical figure has ever passed through that man’s lips, and if it did, it was a cosmic accident.
Good thing they don’t have the skills to do it and make it attractive to the currect users. I’m fine with Larry Ellison’s losing billions in the process.
They literally did that with Facebook. Yeah, plenty of people left, but it worked.
Yeah, facebook didn’t do that. Facebook is “popular” with the old 50+ and force use in developing countries. The more right FB goes, the more they lose younger people. It’s the snake eating it’s own tail.
Whenever conservatives argue or demand that something be changed because they want it to … you know that any change they make will only last as long as the money is flowing.
... i Beg Your Pardon?...
Moisturise me!
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This is nothing but outright propaganda designed to assert themselves in a good light.
America: you are fucked.
More than America is fucked.
Doesn’t he want it to make money?
Why would he? He’s crashed every other business.
Oh no, it’s news about TikTok. Are we going have people complain about it being posted here again?
So like X.
As if we didn’t already know he was thinkjng that?
I’m glad I never installed that shitty app
I used to be like you I used to think it was just full of young kids doing silly dances, turns out a lot of information doesn’t really need more than two or three minutes to explain it and everything else is fluff so yeah, it’s a great place. I don’t know where this hate comes from.
For me its general dislike for influencers and platforms where people are encouraged to put a face behind content, go viral, and make money off of due to tending to attract content from people coming off like aspiring infomercial hosts. Like labubu I didn’t even know about until South Park, so it was like kind of awe inspiring what a huge hive mind of mass reach it can be for those part of it.
But then again I don’t like twitch and most big YouTube content creators either for a similar reason, so I might be just an anomaly when it comes to social media. I don’t like Twitter and Instagram either.
I’ve preferred social media where people interact for the sake of interacting, since the foundation for potential monetary pay off or fame is really poor for that. So more message board type stuff like lemmy, reddit, and old school forums. Things where there’s less of a chance of someone going in to try to turn it into a side hustle.
You can easily avoid big influencers on the app. It’s a lot of small people sharing bits and pieces of their individual lives for entertainment And Education It’s so great.
It is too social for me. I’m not interested in a platform that tends to push people to put a face or name behind an account. I prefer it to just be like the conversation we are having now where you are just another random user name.
And I perceive more positives to not using social media like tiktok, twitter, threads, or Instagram with huge corporate backing and invasive apps than using it. And times those social media even comes up as a useful search result has been pretty much zero. So that’s just a big pass on tiktok for me. Even more so with the leadership change.
Well, we do live in a social world, and regardless of what people will tell you, the Internet is not fake, it’s very real, but I’m not going to try to convince you to check it out, just let you know that you are missing some quality information content, and maybe new favorite people that you wouldn’t otherwise be exposed to.
I’m no interested in tiktok. I don’t need tiktok for a social connection. I wasn’t here for a recruitment to tiktok, but just answering your initial question of providing a viewpoint to those that dislike it. I respect your right to use tiktok or any other alternatives. It just happens to be not for me.
Then why not write a blog? I hate videos if Im looking for information, give me something I can scan and digest properly.
Yeah, I get it different people learn differently, but the search function on TikTok is pretty good. They got a good algorithm behind it, don’t just write it off, at least fuck around with it before you throw it in the trash, please I’m begging you. You only have to give it about 10 minutes before the algorithm starts getting in its groove and that would be a good time before it’s an under American control just to look at what it was
Short form video is the single best propaganda machine there is. You don’t get context, so it’s easy to manipulate events. Also, for some reason, people really fall for the “authority” of some rando talking into a camera like they know what the hell they’re talking about.
Every time somebody shows me a TikTok video as a reference or to make a point, the information is either fake or completely incorrect.
Not to mention, The algorithm feeds you more of these talking heads and makes you think it’s the general consensus
These are all good points, but I fact check and I don’t fall for stupid easily shareable meme bullshit, everybody’s algorithm is their own so yeah echo chambers are easy to get into but it’s mostly just slice of life type content. That’s the really good stuff
Mobile web or bust.
And man have some websites gone bust…
I used it for the first and last time after Charlie Kirk, because it was one of the few places where the memes were more or less unmoderated. They’re going to have a fun time trying to crack down on that I guess.
Gen Z is so dumb that they’re all going to be Nazis is 6 months.
I scoff at your statement, O' Lizard!
I wonder if gen Z has media literacy. I am expecting approximately 0% to discontinue TicTok as result of the acquisition.
Edit: Sorry for being lizardy.
No worries. We've all got that Lizard Brain deep down inside. Gen Z appears to have some literacy, thank goodness for that. More than I was aware of from direct interaction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Generation_Z# Mostly I've noticed a subtle sarcasm, which If I try to emulate it just comes out sounding mean. So I don't do that anymore.
After repetitive exposure to this propaganda (repetition priming), the people were beginning to believe and stand up for what each respective government had been flashing before their eyes, without them even knowing it.
sites.psu.edu/psych256sp18003/2018/03/04/h/
The fact of being exposed to propaganda and misinformation, repeatedly and continuously, has a psychological affect over time.
The individual must not be allowed to recover, to collect himself, to remain untouched by propaganda during any relatively long period, for propaganda is not the touch of the magic wand. It is based on slow, constant impregnation. It creates convictions and compliance through imperceptible influences that are effective only by continuous repetition. It must create a complete environment for the individual, one from which he never emerges.
Propaganda, Jacques Ellul
They certainly don’t let us go a single day any longer without horrific news.
From my experience they do not. I shit you not their only source of news is tick tock. It’s somehow worse than the people who only get their news from Facebook. I have a brother who pretends to understand media literacy and constantly goes on about ground news but they never actually open it and read anything from it as far as I can tell because the only stories I get sent are directly from tick tock.
Psst… O, not O’ - it’s the vocative particle, not a contraction of of or on.
Nnnnnneeeeeerrrrrrrddddddd!
lol
Most of Gen Z are in their twenties and capable of thinking for themselves. Generally speaking, they’ve grown up accustomed to and accepting of neurodivergence, gender fluidity, and the spectrum of sexualities.
It’s the younger and older generations I’m more worried about.
They’re also MUCH more susceptible to misinformation and propaganda than the “in-between” generations. They aren’t as affected by traditional media, sure, but their new media sources are heavily propagandized, with visibility manipulated by the worst people in the world. They might HEAR about the dangers of misinformation or propaganda in the periphery, but with their primary interface being a handful of apps on a mobile device, there’s not much they can do about it without extensive education they aren’t getting.
Got any evidence of that? Or are you just flattering yourself
You see that you’re doing the generations thing right? Like you are doing the “lazy millennials” thing but just at a different generation. You’re falling for their propaganda.
How does even decide when the various generation start and stop it seems so random.
Generally each generation is like 20ish years, with some variation in exactly what years, but that doesn’t really make sense anymore since culture changes so fast these days.
Only 54% of Gen Z voted for Harris and Gen Z males have a pretty big far-right problem. It’s not random nonsense about eating dirt or being on their phones, they’re actually being pretty fucking awful at way too high a rate for people that young.
How is that any different from older generations
Because the person I replied was trying to say that the person they replied to was falling for propaganda and compared it to call millenials lazy. We know for a fact that millenials generally work harder, and for less, than the older generations that were/are doing the complaining. In this case, we the older generation is complaining about Gen Z not being nearly as progressive as one would expect, even to the point where we can say they actually have a problem with conservatism, and the statistics back that up as fact.
TL;DR: “millenials are lazy” is made up to try to pay us less despite the statistics showing it to be a huge lie and “GenZ has way too many conservatives” is an observable fact complete with actual numbers.
You actually going to present any evidence for those claims?
There’s a lot in this article that goes through it. The split is way too close for a generation that you hope would be fairly solidly progressive. The women are doing well, the men are really struggling to hold up their end, especially the white men.
I think I will read this article. I am interested in what society can do to help these young men.
Let’s see how many of Gen Z Americans get off TikTok after it becomes more of a propaganda machine. I wonder how European kids feel about it. They went through Covid and missed part of an already terrible education. So now they have no idea that they are just being programmed to be a bunch of assholes. I think it will work. If we don’t find a plan to do something, we are in bad shape. We need Project 2029.
Looks around everything is still fucked on earth and climate change is gonna kill us all, did it even fucking matter we didn’t become Nazis -mostly S . Seriously I want to leave.
As an older Gen Z, this generation is very split. The Gen Z in their twenties are extremely progressive and left-leaning, whereas younger Gen Z are deep in the alt-right pipeline. Obviously this doesn’t apply to everyone, but Gen Z really is two generations smooshed into one.
It’s the incel/red-/black-pill bullshit. I am an older millennial, turned 41 yesterday, in fact, and I have noticed the split in the gen-Z generation. At some point a lot stopped trying to grow as a person and started blaming women and minorities for why they were single and unfavorable to their preferred mates/society. Accountability and integrity just sort of stopped mattering to them when it became easier and more socially acceptable to be a shitty person and still gain fans/clout/etc.
Then comes along all these ‘bros’ who sell them this idea that their problem is just not being a big enough dick and being rich, loud, and large, Eden if you have to fake it until you make it. They promote the debunked study of alpha males and champion the grind, self-made mentality while pinning the blame for their future failures on outside factors like immigration and higher ed.
I had high hopes that we could unfuck the world together, with the leadership of gen-Z, but I didn’t think republican enough about how far the backslide would be. Now, I just expect to see the world crumble as the younger gen are lambs to the slaughter for the wars, sports, and land grabs of the ultra-rich.
Its the billionaires against the working class, not generations fighting generations.
Nah, cut the middleman and work on brains directly by using an ancient technique called lobotomy
Isn’t tiktok a chinese asset? And hasn’t china famously refused to dance to Trump’s discordant tune?
They were forced to sell to a us based group.
Trump is forcing them to sell their American operations to American owners or be blocked from operating in the US.
I can’t find it now, but I’m sure I saw a post earlier that said there was a bunch of Saudi money going into the sale.
This is the one.
Thankyou. I’m right now watching Internet Today’s coverage of it, which also confirmed it. There’s also this interesting snippet from the CNBC article they quote from:
Missed the news, eh?
Lol, xenophobia and ignorance: the classic Westerner combination
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I don't care for TikTok, whatever shakes them up and dismantles their foundation. TikTok is just a degradation to society, regardless who has it.
Is it bad that I agree? Eff TikTok
And there it is.
Precisely as WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO.
He also said Americans won’t have enough to worry about China spying on them anymore or something like that… right before saying this
He also said Americans won’t have to worry about voting again
He said Christians won’t have to worry about voting again.
Still fucking ominous, but for slightly different reasons.
Thanks for the correction, it’s somehow worse because it low-key confirms he wants a christian theocracy, since there won’t be any non-christians left in his ideal America.
Sure, it’ll just kill the app in the US because fascists lack any creativity so it’ll become a stale echo chamber before people just leave
I’m ok with that.
Look out everyone, edgy guy detected
Awww baby is upsetty.
Bro. You’re just a weird weird little Imp here, Are you hoping to trigger people, is that all that gets you off these days? Is that the only way you can cum.
I’m not even the first guy. Tik Tok is a mess and if it dies that’s probably not the worst thing. Ot sure what your deal is.
Nice way to edit your comment jackass
I didn’t edit anything, bud.
Edit: Here, I’ll even edit this one incase your platform shows that information but you’ve just never seen it before.
A tomato probably has too much edge for you…
you really are a reddit refugee huh
Oh sure, but it’s the lefties who are in their echo chambers.
Bye bye tiktok then, fully right spaces never thrive
Thanks for reminding me that voat doesn’t exist anymore. The internet’s butthole wart has been removed.
Rofl. If you expecting anything else except this from Trump, I’ve got some public landmarks for sale.
The perfect way to kill a platform
To be fair, I don’t think Xitter is really dead? It certainly took a hit though 🤷
Twitter is 5% nutjobs, 95% bots. You really need a mental illness to be able to browse Twitter unironically.
yeah, because it’s bankrolled by one billionaire now, so it doesn’t matter how badly he runs it, as long as he decides to keep it up. it could never make a single dime ever again, and he could run it for as long as he wanted because he makes vastly more than twitter costs.
back when it was public, if it had lost this many advertisers when it wasn’t profitable to start with, it might have been a very different situation for them. they had to convince investors to keep giving them money back then.
I never used it because of the Chinese government affiliation. I’d feel even less inclined to use it with maga affiliation.
It being outside of the United States and outside of United States control was an absolute benefit for me, What was your reason for hating it while it was under Chinese control?
Trump creams in his pants thinking about having the control the Chinese government has.
Yeah, but it isn’t under American control, which is the most important part, or at least it was. Anyways, I’m not going to keep badgering you to try to convince you to get on it, but I would also admonish you for not at least giving it 30 minutes of your time when you were bored just to screw around with it before you wrote it off completely
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There are multiple reasons for me. First and foremost is the data collection that they’ve been accused of; I know American companies do the same thing, but there’s something more nefarious about a state run data collection scheme than a public company collecting data to sell you ads, which I’m also trying to avoid as much as possible. Next, I don’t support their labor practices - using child, slave (Uyghurs) and cheaper labor is a big deterrent. I realize that some level of that is unavoidable with the way our society is based, but I don’t really need another social media outlet in my life anyway, so it’s a really easy cut for me.
Oh yeah, also because a state run social media app is something that I feel is an easy way for that state to push propaganda.
Lol. But American labour practices are just fine with you then?
Also, fun fact, even after years of accusations, nobody has been able to find actual credible evidence of “Uyghur slaves”. Meanwhile, penal slavery is just an acceptable norm in the US
You’ve done nothing to instill any confidence in me about Chinese state sponsored social media apps and only supported my original point that I trust a US state sponsored social media app LESS than one from china at this point.
Man these people are so un American.
I dont think your definition of “American” matches with the rest of the world if this is “un-american” for you.
Nah, as a European this is pretty un-American
Their propaganda is usually much more subtle
It was un-american 50 years ago.
The only thing changed right now is the idiot in charge, who just spills it all, because no one can stop him. Even though it’s a democracy… Right?..
So desperate to propagandize the youth.
MAGA youths !
You see them as desperate? Above anything, I see them as opposites.
The actions seem similar, but their intentions are very different. They’re not scared or anxious. They’re enabled, demanding, and oppressive.
They can be both
Trump is fucking delusional
Also a fucking idiot…
Well, this is one way to kill tiktok
It didn’t kill twitter. It might be shit, but still used by hundreds of millions, and is a popular public communications outlet
It is on the decline though, preserved more by switching costs than by user preferences. It’d be interesting to see if Trump can cause an even faster rate of decline than Elon has.
MegaloMANIAC just wants to take over the world
MAGAniac
hope he does it and it’s the thing that kills tiktok.
And Larry Ellison’s investment with it. Lol!
yar
and that is what we call another piece of their propaganda machine
Kill it kill it!
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Just a heads up, the "in Minecraft " defense has been tested in our “justice” system and it will not protect you.
Noted. Thanks.
Genuinely, how would it be any different to Twitter and Truth Social then? I’ve not used any of them so maybe I don’t understand the distinction between each
A much bigger young audience?
Short video format focus?
TikTok is a short video social platform. People post only videos. The two you mentioned are short public messaging social platforms, with the capability to post/include videos.
That’s not really what this is about, though. TikTok was not under their control, so they’re trying to take control and follow their script of media and social control.
Ah, got you, apologies - I thought they were all capae go sharing a video
MAGA youth recruitment and education platform
Just another day of trump being a dumb bitch.
One more step towards the US becoming an NK clone. This is a good opportunity for Loops to advertise themselves as the anti-Tiktok.
No, not North Korea clone but a Nazi Germany clone.
Nazi Germany unraveled itself by attacking its neighbors. Do you think thats ever going to happen?
Canadian here, yes. Yes I absolutely think the US will attack its neighbours.
When? I’m American and I just can’t even comprehend us attacking Canada. That said, I wouldn’t put anything past orange hitler.
Anyway, I hope you put up a fight and I hope the rest of NATO doesn’t just sit on its hands.
Have you not been paying attention? Trump tested the waters of attacking Panama, Greenland, and absorbing Canada as a “51st state”. He really wants a war SOMEWHERE so he can try to halt the next election. It has to be close and scary, or Americans won’t bat an eye. We are so used to wars elsewhere.
MAGA will 100% believe it if he says Canada is sending fentanyl over on a nuke or something and they will be excited to go to war over it.
Have you not been paying attention? Trump says a lot of bullshit. I don’t think you should be taking him at his word for anything.
I re-affirm my previous statement. I can’t even comprehend the idea of the US attacking Canada. It would be extremely stupid of him and I don’t think the people around his orbit would allow it because it would endanger all of them.
Trump would probably launch strikes on the Blue states so he can start a second Civil War if he wanted to.
thats exactly what he’s going to do. all these fucking people living in canada and mexico aren’t paying attention and they’re actually taking him at his word, which you should never fucking do, when he spouts some crazy bs about making canada a state or buying greenland or some other random shit.
When? Right after his economy starts tanking. He’s cut off a lot of his trading partners. He’s going to need money and resources fast. Canada has a lot of resources he needs, despite how hard he tries to claim otherwise.
He has threatened our annexation since his first term, although in a ‘joking’ way. This time he started the threats before he’d even been sworn in and he hasn’t stopped. He is still threatening annexation of Canada. He has not backed down. He has not apologized. He means it.
He’s a critically stupid man, but he’s an extremely dangerous one and his statements need to be taken seriously.
stop believing all of trumps distracting bullshit and start actually watch whats happening. he has no intent whatsoever of attacking canada. he’s going to attack blue states before he attacks anything. hell, he already is.
They already attacked Iran without official declaration of war. That orange bastard wants to get Bagram back even though the Taliban would just laugh and let the Chinese take it.
Any fascist government requires the need for constant conflict and scapegoats for which to keep itself existing to reign. This includes even threatening to invade countries with punitive military campaigns. Or punishing certain states for “disloyalty” and growling to send troops and cops to “occupy” them.
Iran isn’t a neighbor and the US attacking the middle east is practically a habit at this point.
Of course not a neighbor but needs enemies to justify its existence. If he can order that, he might as well launch a strike upon Mexico.
Nazi Germany had a bad geographical location. Strong powers to the east and west, including the UK as unsinkable aircraft carrier and staging ground for invasion. The USA has none of these issues. It’s surrounded by big oceans and militarily weak neighbors. A naval invasion of the USA is basically impossible.
The USA can do whatever they want in all countries in the Americas. Not even a worldwide coalition could stop that.
The USA could invade and annex Mexico and Canada quite easily.
The USA can also afford to intervene military across the globe, get stuck in a quagmire for years, and it doesn’t endanger their control over their own country.
launching an attack on either mexico or canada would be just about one of the dumbest things he could ever do. you actually believe the people advising him are going to let him do something like that? Something that would endanger all of their careers and their current well cemented grasp on power. There is no way.
Yes, I think the US will invade Mexico at some point.
when.
what point.
how in the fuck do you think attacking mexico helps trump preserve his power?
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And Democrats wanted to ban it for going against their narrative. Let me guess blue conservatives, should I be on my knees thanking the DNC for being ever so slightly less SHIT then the world’s lowest bar, the republican party?
Fuck the two party system. The USA deserves trump.
There seems to be some correlation between lemmy.ml and shit takes. So strange…🤔
I’m not quite following you. First, I never heard about Democrats wanting to ban it for their narrative; I only know about the bipartisan ban. Is that what you mean? Second, what are you talking about with the thanking the DNC thing? What does that have to do with this?
Lastly, I strongly disagree that we deserve Trump. Nobody deserves right wing lunacy, especially not a large society that did not uniformly support his candidacy in any way. Do you think Germany deserved Hitler?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleichschaltung
Goddamn this is dark. Just when can i expect people to ever start actually fighting back in any sort of tangibly productive manner? We are so fucked.
Never. Fighting takes strength and the typical american is chronically burned out.
My whole thought when I saw this is when can we ever get rid of this ass hole. I’m so tired, burned out is the perfect explanation.
Makes me rage that millions died defeating that megalomaniac.
Another interesting news! I’m blessed! Like they already do missinformation.
And it’s going to be governed by uncle Larry’s company.
You know, actually this is so grotesquely American that I’m enjoying looking at it from far away.
And it might look nice when you over there are done with the circus and then done with killing each other.
I know a different guy from history who also has seen great potential in media for propaganda.
TikTok was never good. Have at it.
Though, he is always free to start his own MAGA-themed video service, much like he did with Truth Social. I think the problem is — and if he doesn’t know it, he’s been advised, with crayons and hand puppets — that running a server serving video is orders of magnitude more expensive than running a server hosting a text-based social network.
TikTok and Instagram were never good, but they provided a platform for people on the streets to provide real time updates on current events that countered the state narrative/propaganda on main stream media.
TikTok and Instagram exposed the truth about the American empire to a significant portion of the population. They want to make sure it’s all controlled state approved content, they want to eliminate our ability to reach eyes and ears.
So sure, have at the Chinese propaganda platform, but not without an alternative that allows us to reach wide audiences… And we don’t have an alternative… Not enough people are on the fediverse and the learning curve is pretty massive.
they’ve made protest illegal by classifying antifa as terrorist, now they’re coming after social media to make sure there is no outlet for protest online either. I don’t think people are making a big enough deal about this. This is extremely bad.
Eh, I’ll “have at” TikTok for being shit because historically, it has been. It’s driven by memes and trash.
That said, over the past couple years I’ve heard lots of good things. “BookTok” and other -Tok’s being communities within the service — I admit I don’t know how it is because I’ve never used it — but also, the rapid decline of YouTube has made me seriously consider getting on TikTok just to have something different. My resolve to be anti-TikTok has greatly reduced over the last couple years, as an “old guy” who does not like “social media”.
So yeah, credit where it’s due.
I’d love for the Fediverse to have a strong alternative, but again, the costs of running a video server that is anywhere close to being “widely used”…
i really think you are minimizing how bad this is. This is the government weaponizing social media, much like elon musk weaponized twitter. Only this time, the social media is directly own by a fascist government regime. This is a massive massive conflict of interest which is going to 100% turn tik tok into a propaganda machine.
TikTok was run by a fascist regime: China. It’s just, most Americans are not of much interest to Beijing. Their intelligence probably wants to know what is trendy in America so it can better appeal to us and influence our elections to serve their interests, but Beijing is probably not concerned at all with you or I as individuals. But if they can get us to vote for a candidate they support by showing us the parts of that candidate that we agree with, we can be used as a tool by Beijing. Now Washington wants that power.
I don’t like it either way.
At least China builds infrastructure. At least China has near universal healthcare. China seems to actually give a shit about its people to at least some extent.
Doesn’t America also have near universal healthcare then? The system is pretty similar, get insurance through work unless old or poor
Edit: lol downvotes. Both systems cost money and neither is universal. Stop simping the hypercapitalist republic of China, it’s not that much better than the US.
no.
I think you’re unfamiliar with at least one of the two systems then because they’re described as pretty similar by people who have lived in both countries. Both are pay 2 play, American one is just more expensive.
you’re really piling on the bullshit here… im just gonna block you. bye.
Lol ok. Fact is, they have nearly the same coverage and both achieve it through private insurance usually paid by the employer - China just has a few more extra groups that get their equivalent of Medicare and Medicaid, but that’s it.
Lol wut. Not even remotely.
But then neither does China. Is what I’m saying.
By the Chinese definition of it, it’s very close.
For China it was 95%
Neither country gives you free insurance unless you’re old or poor enough.
Ok but your not speaking to a Chinese, but to a Canadian, so don’t make me laugh any harder than you already have or I’ll need to go see a doctor for free.
I’m Estonian, I unfortunately can’t say it’s free, as it costs 5 euros per visit for ER and specialty doctors and 2.50 per night stayed in hospital if you have surgery or something.
“He made the trains run on time”
I’m not saying Washington/the US is better than China. But, the devil you know. Also, the devil we know (the west) has probably lied to us in a few ways about China. I remember as a kid I believed children in China were starving. I also remember hearing that they kill female babies (and often not humanely) because of their one child policy. My dream when I was a kid was to save all those girls and educate them and teach them basic fighting skills… may have been like a Charlies Angels kind of thing going on in my head.
China absolutely has interest in Americans, just not in the way you’d think. Social media is addictive, and TikTok is no exception. Quick bursts of media that result in dopamine hits creates addiction and eyes glued to a screen that can push whatever agenda China wants. Studies have shown social media and ai have an affect on intelligence and learning, and China knows full well that in the long game, this results in the dumbing down of society.
TikTok is doing exactly what it was designed for, sowing division and misinformation to destabalize the US. It works too.
I’ll just leave this here.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
As with all social media, as soon as grandma and grandpa get on, it all goes down hill.
It’s gone full circle. Grandparents are the only reason I even have a Facebook account anymore.
The open corruption, clear as day illegal and unconstitutional moves, and his overall smugness is embarrassing.
The GOP has gone insane to allow this man to continue like this. They are all sick with power and are hoping to “get theirs” next from daddy trump.
They are ALL traitors and should be charged for allowing the crimes to continue.
But they don’t have the fucking power. They’re letting Trump do whatever he wants, and eroding their own authority in the process.
“I don’t want real power, because with real power comes real responsibility, and I don’t want any of that shit. I just want the money. And the illusion of power. And puss.”
“Jesus this”
You voted for Trump
“Free market that”
You voted for Trump
In other words, trump says “Stop looking for the Epstein files!”.
What can be done to let loops.video profit from this even more than mastodon profited from the end of Twitter?
IMO, that site doesn’t really look like it wants to succeed. Seems like the mobile apps are still in development, so maybe the site is intentionally like that, for now.
The most obvious difference: When I open that link, I see no video. If I open tiktok.com, I see a video.
That’s just from a cursory look though. I’ve never heard of them, so I could easily be wrong.
Can’t be any worse than how badly Rivian fumbled Tesla’s downfall
the dump doesn’t belong in Politics. Simple Common Sense
Tiktok was China’s soft propaganda because they suppressed unfavorable content rather then promote favorable content. Trump going full MAGA with it would kill the platform because people use tiktok to stop thinking about distressing things. Not be exposed to more of it.
What would he care if it kills a lot of use. Some will stay, even if it becomes just an echo chamber, there will be users who don’t leave and slowly get fed more and more content that changes their bias.
A propaganda machine does have to reach 100% of the population, it just needs to pluck small percentages that were on the outskirts and hold the current believers in a situation where they believe this is better than whatever bologna scenario they make up would happen if they weren’t doing this. America is MUCH safer place to live today than it was when I was born back in 89’.
Yet a large portion of the population does not believe that, because they throw murders in people’s faces through every facet of our lives to make people feel afraid and use security as an excuse to gain further control over people’s rights.
Anyone who thinks “I could leave my doors unlocked back in the 1990s and I can’t today” has been fooled.
Anyone who thinks subways, trains, or public transit isn’t multiple times safer than getting into a car and driving to work, has been fooled.
And social media as well as news stations want us to be angry and scared, because it gets people engaged. Engagement makes them money. Happy people who feel safe go outside and go to the beach, play sports, go hiking, go to movies, join a book club, have a hobby of some sort. None of those things make news outlets money. Social media could, because they could sell ad slots to people who sell products for those hobbies… but I guess it doesn’t make as much.
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If that’s what it takes for people to stop using that stupid a** social media, I’m all for it.
glad you bend over so easily. Saves whoever the cost of lube even.
Bend over for what? We need to fight for the braindead app for idiots.
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Had to leave Twitter when it became a Nazi site, I can leave TikTok to I guess.
I never used either. Never really understood the culture of gormlessly scrolling through mind-numbing content.
But then I also gave up broadcast TV before even Netflix was popular. Just spent a small fortune on bargain bin DVDs instead.
It’s mainly the kids and low information adults who are on Tiktok, that’s why it’s popular.
I’ve been averse to trends like this, but I did get on Facebook and Insta this summer at the urging of some friends (I run a nonprofit so it’s useful to network). By last week I had both apps on my phone and was just numbscrolling through Insta videos. Realized my mental health had gone to absolute shit in weeks. Deleted the apps andI’m feeling myself again.
It really is dangerous what they’ve created, if I didn’t have ambition, I would be right there zombified.
me nervously doom-scrolling on lemmy via voyager 👀
It was less a “cultural thing” and more a functional drift. From the RSS feed to Web2.0 timelines to feed by preference to The Algorithm of ad-promoted content.
Like with email, it wasn’t always just a fountain of spam. Our systems have been deliberately and predatorially enshittified.
There’s a great deal of real news that goes through the app. It’s the majority of the content I see.
Is there though?
I know this sounds sarcastic, but I’m genuinely curious as I have never used TikTok at all. It there any way to verify the stuff that’s being shown? Do news accounts link to articles or any supporting information?
All I’ve ever really seen from people sharing stuff has been new typical meme stuff and AI generated crap that people keep sending me thinking it’s real.
How can you tell if what you’re seeing is real?
The good “creators” to follow for news generally provide a summary in Tiktok, then if you want to verify or learn more they have additional information and sources in their other locations (substack is a big one)
I can generally tell if it’s AI generated, and if I have any suspicion then I try to find other reports and real sources via Google searches and whatnot. Like I didn’t believe the gold trump statue, or the trump and Epstein statue were real.
Good to know there’s some context available if you want it. Thanks for taking the time to reply!
You know, given how exploitative and harmful TikTok has been from the start, it might have been better never to use it at all.
I’m guilty of being on TikTok too, mainly used to keep up with a few artists I listen to, but at the end of the day, the platform is just another exploitative data-harvesting machine.
I uhhh never used it to begin with so I’m good boss
nice 😆 💟
I sometimes feel like the only mf around who doesn’t and never used tiktok. From the very start it just gave off bad vibes, and then all the news started coming out about it rotting your attention span away, data collection and russian manipulation winning hearts of young people, which pretty much confirmed my suspicions. Ironically reddit feels like a much safer platform than tiktok.
He isn’t even trying to be an American president. Only to his lie-loving MAGA.
My decision to remain on rednote is once again validated
Maga should totally mess around with social media censorship, worked out great in Indonesia
Even better in Nepal.
Wow that sounds like a fun way to bankrupt another company
He bankrupted a casino, he knows what he’s doing.
I suppose that’s why the people paying for his campaign chose him, to bankrupt a nation you need someone this talented.
Why do they need said nation bankrupt I don’t know, maybe to make it fail while the failure will still be not too gigantic to recover from, and maybe for yet another pump-and-dump scheme, except this time with a country and not an industry. Depends on how optimistic you are about their motives.
Russia wanted the us bankrupt and as corrupt as them.
Russia is 1) not that powerful by far, 2) its elites, those very ones spoken about when expressing these conspiracy theories, are pissing hot water from a mere hint of being friends with any US administration.
They have sort of an inferiority complex, there was recently a damned TV report, apparently, about an American diplomat visiting a cafe and ordering a cheburek (Central Asian street food). It’s so much bootlicking that one can confidently say Russia’s elites are much bigger US fans than Russians in average.
They might be unintentionally making the effect you described upon the US, while trying to somehow become part of its processes, but it’s a small nudge compared to the more serious reasons.
I think this is because the people who are now Russia’s elite came to power in the 90s, a lot of ex-Soviet people looked at the situation pretty simply - as in “we were the losing superpower in this cold war thing, now it’s ended and we are friends, so we are going to become like America in those movies with white middle class people all owning cars and houses”, and those of them who were doing politics, apparently, wanted to have their own political system as “cool” (or whatever, some immeasurable feeling) as the American one.
The Iron Curtain was a huge mistake, people who put it in place were thinking in 30s categories when the 30s were long gone. People inside thought that they only put barriers before you to protect something you’d want to have. A generation of Soviet people grew with that feeling, where everything Soviet was boring and bad, and everything Western magical and good. It wasn’t even about freedom or morality. Just about “coolness”. People breaking the USSR in the 80s and 90s knew that the world around it isn’t virtuous and kind, but they thought it’s “cooler”. Everyone thinks they’d do well when put into an adventure, when safe. Nobody thinks they’ll be some guy who gets eaten by a crocodile on the second page, or a coward, or an idiot, or a sucker.
So. When the Russian “wide mass” realized that for the West it consists of suckers and crocodile fodder, it became disillusioned and the wound healed, except for some rare idiots who kept believing into that picture, not being exposed to reality.
When the Russian elites realized that, they just decided to lower the bar, and be content with playing US sometimes, and getting US citizenship for themselves and their children, and being there often, and playing with US politics. I don’t think it’s directed at somehow corrupting and undoing the US, simply not enough power. They are just regularly touching in the shop something they can’t afford to buy.
Trump has wanted to destroy the United States since we captured Epstein in 2011 and shut down the best of his trafficking ring. It was never the same after that and that’s why he was suddenly so outspoken about Obama.
Take away a narcissist’s toys and they’ll just vow revenge at all costs. He doesn’t care that he’s destroying millions of lives - we took away his favorite thing; underaged “playmates”.
The rest of them are just assholes who think they can get rich and in some cases, have.
He bankrupted a casino, but still was paid millions to do so.
He will bankrupt the US, but is being paid billions to do so.
When the USSR collapsed, it made some well-connected millionaires into billionaires. When the USA collapsed, it makes billionaires into trillionaires.
It made very different people millionaires and billionaires. Some local businessmen (a very American type in stereotypes, something between a conman and a normal mom and pop business owner), some professors with good understanding of mathematics involved, some translators for big people, some red directors who converted their Soviet power into new power.
And in my childhood I thought they are all thieves, my worldview is more nuanced now. Life is complex.
People talk of KGB as of the main important target of all potential lustrations in the future, but Eugene Kaspersky is KGB, and of people meaningful in Russia he’s honestly very fine. Some people talk of Yeltsin as someone good, but he was a Politburo member. People who remember general Lebed sometimes think he was killed because he was an honest patriotic politician, and he surely made the impression with that simple Soviet flat with a rug on the wall, that Siberian manner of speech, those pacifist and humanist things he would say in interviews (he managed to say without accusations and conflict that people who are mafia or terrorists or both for one government are friends for another and this is business as usual ; he also managed to say without losing any dignity or surrendering any important point that Russians can’t fight more wars after the XX century and that people fight to live in peace, these seem pretty obvious, but some obvious things don’t sound good on TV), except when he was made governor of his part of the world, he quickly became, eh, a normal governor - with new realty and a lover in Moscow, with very expensive idiotic PR actions (like that campaign with Alain Delon in the middle of a depressive Soviet junkyard with a Lenin statue endorsing Lebed), and so on, somehow the memory of him omits those few last years of his life, before the helicopter crash.
Now when I think about it, I didn’t think they are all thieves, I knew life is complex and that I don’t personally know all these people.
So - American billionaires don’t want to be trillionaires, I think. They want to be princes. Perhaps patricians. Or maybe mandarins. The issue is that they are blind to how all three things existed, using them as labels for their own dream of power over humans without complications. Princes were subject to God, Pope and their suzerain, multiple such sometimes, like in Brittany or Holsten or … Patricians obeyed the customs of their republic, whose first citizen usually was a plebeian - the man who was first named “first citizen” notably was, and his cognomen is now used to refer to emperors. Mandarins lived in the kingdom where the only unbreakable law was the mandate of heaven, and weren’t considered better people - certainly no more than as far as their emperor had it.
I believe we will endure. I don’t know about the USA, but maybe it’s for the best that this project goes to version 2.0 .
So, Trump effectively nationalized TikTok, valued at $300b. He sells it to friendly oligarchs for $15b. So far, this is basically the post-USSR playbook, and how Roman Abravmovich, Alisher Usmanov, Vladimir Lisin, etc. got so rich.
But it might piss off his oligarch buddies if he drives all the users off TikTok making what seemed like a steal into something worthless instead.
In ex-USSR that happened as something destructive, but in USA honestly it’s normal, using institutional pressure to help friendly businesses. Trump is unusual only in how grotesque he is in his position, but history saw Talleyrand.
And US sanctioned Japan just because some of its businesses couldn’t compete, which didn’t kill Japanese car industry, but hurt Japanese computer industry, and sent Japan into recession from which it didn’t quite recover.
About driving users off - that doesn’t really happen unless you intentionally break everything. VKontakte be the experiment showing this, except TG was later made based on VK makers’ experience with social stuff, and was very successful, and is now basically the most convenient messaging\social platform. When something FOSS manages to reproduce the experience of TG, then FOSS messaging and social systems stand a chance. So - some of the life moved from VK to TG, but it’s more of VK’s experience stagnating and being too complex and overloading, not of people fleeing it.
This will be truth social again with a pre-existing user base and better algorithms. People will drop off, but they will probably boil the frog slowly to keep people around.
I think that just like Elon with Twitter, the value is not in revenue but controlling the narrative.
That only works if people use it.
For some reason, people have stuck with Twitter. But, the users of TikTok are not the same as the users of Twitter, so who knows, maybe they won’t stick with it.
Man, I just thought about the AI deep fakes. I never had a Tiktok (and left any remaining social media a long time ago) and I applaud anybody who is jumping ship right now. But the brain drain is extremely dangerous with the AI stuff.
Everyone has those friends who keep sharing you stuff from tiktok. I also happen to be pretty good with AI, run my own local models and all that (I know lemmy hates AI, but just for context…). The thing I’ve noticed is that by the each passing month, they keep sending me more and more AI generated or edited stuff, it’s rapidly on the rise. If it has become so good only people with trained eye can spot it, how will tiktok look in 2 years?
The AI videos are becoming very prevalent. If you didn’t know what to look for you may not recognize it off the bat. It’s wild.
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I knew this shit would be abused eventually. A year and a half and this publicly though. With how bipartisan support for this there was in congress and publicly, an instance of leaopards eating their face for those certain that safeguards would work/future bills would pass to improve the safeguards (how often does that ever happen? Post-9/11?)
And renamed to Hate Tok
Trump says TikTok should be tweaked to become “100% Epstein files”
Unsurprising that a guy collapsing the Republic into a fascist dictatorship says that TikTok should be a mouthpiece for the Government. It’s time for someone in a country that ISN’T the US, Russia, or China to start a TikTok rival for people to switch to.
Or just don’t use these stupid apps.
Any plan that starts with “if people would just”, they in fact will probably not
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I was wondering if a federated alternative existed, neat. Short form video is not for me, but I’m glad that exists for those that like it.
These are the only countries you can trust to not extradite you to the US you fucking baffoon.
They’re also fascist countries where the government can and do set strict limits on content without concern for rule of law or the will of the people.
I already moved to redgifs. Goodbye Tik Tok.
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Yeah I just hope it kills the app, which I’m sure it will. I never began using it in the first place but seeing it take over all of my fellow Gen Z, you know, the same ones who have admitted to thinking politics don’t matter, won’t be very happy when their favorite app turns to even more utter trash
Hopefully this wins more minds away from social media and even more people can wake the fuck up here in Amerikkka.
I think people won’t care, at least this demographic fellow Gen Z. They still gonna use the app. Arguemnts such as “oh everyone uses this to send funny tiktoks to themselves it’s not that big of a deal” it will be just more shit to go through. Similar thing to Twitter. Everyone is so pissed at Elon because more bot accounts, you can’t or couldn’t block him and other shady stuff but still uses the twitter (X) because… everyone uses it.
But I also hope it will kill the app.
I’m seeing people moving to sky (or whatever it’s called). It takes time for people to switch social media platforms.
Oh yeah true. Some people switched to Bluesky (I think that what you meant). I remember the (especially artists) moved like 2-3 years ago because all this changes about feeding the AI and Twitter just being garbage (all porn bots and people being hateful about anything you do).
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I’m sure it really depends on where you live, but here in East Europe I’ve noticed tiktokkers slowly turning into Z’ers who start accepting Russian disinfo as facts. Meaning, it’s already pro-MAGA
Brain rot only for the right… 28 TikToks Later…
How the fuck do you think we got MAGA to begin with?
By using unfriendly language online?
🫵 LIBERAL SPOTTED!
It’s already shite, but why stop there!
pretty sure cults are maga (talking about spawnism).
Here’s how this works:
That’s why decentralized platforms have to be the answer. They might not be impossible to co-opt, but they’re certainly more difficult.
I’ve been warning people about this stuff for years, and they wouldn’t listen. I’m not happy about being right. It sucks!
It’s Chinese spyware bro
Loops and other fediverse platforms are more important than ever. We need independent social media - not billionaire owned platforms.
What does it take to get people to switch, though? The owner of X did a Nazi salute in front of a national audience. Twice. And most people are still on there.
They just don’t care or don’t even see it because they live in their personal bubble of like, sports news and little more.
I’m mainly talking about celebrities and other “taste-makers”.
They go where the people are because impressions and engagement are money.
Totally with you on that 🙌 Independent platforms feel more real. How long have you been exploring the fediverse?
When Xi is the only way to save the US.
Fake and lame
I dont care. At this point I just want something to contain them. Whatever app it must be please just dont let them leak onto the rest of the internet.
I love how we’re all fucked because boomers will never die. Honestly, Gen X has a lot more folks that let us down. It doesn’t matter the generation really. I know a pregnant gen Z, and all I can think about is how her kid, according to the popular generational theory, is going to be the next cycle of boomer. That’s probably why many young gen Zs are a bunch of little assholes. But then she was a screw up, and my gen, the millineals as everyone knows works harder and is still called lazy and had our own screw ups. Generations are what they are but having no chance at happiness due to the rich controlling every goddamn asset is a new kind of fucked we all have to endure.