Raspberry Pi 5: available now!
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from simple@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 13:10
https://lemm.ee/post/12482011
from simple@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world on 23 Oct 2023 13:10
https://lemm.ee/post/12482011
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Sold out… remarks saying pre-order for next batches to ship in Dec or later. Yay…
Preordered an 8GB… I’ll have it sometime next year wooooooo
Yeah, my credit card was charged for pre-order almost a month ago - no updates
My local store is expecting initial stock in two weeks and are NOT doing any sort of pre-sales
Does anybody know if they addressed the issues with WiFi and Bluetooth interfering with each other?
I believe they are separate chips now
Available for now? More like available for 5 minutes
For the bots lol.
To bad that Raspberry Pi lost its cool, when they began to “cooperate” with Microsoft, and grant Microsoft access to your device.
Edit:
As answered to another user about the issues of the Microsft repo:
The raspberry pi came preinstalled with a Microsoft developer tool, which resided in a Microsoft controlled repo.
Now Microsoft has root access to your system, whenever you make any kind of upgrade, and can change dependencies for that tool to anything in their repo. Basically granting a third party control over your raspberry pi.
The worst is that it’s very difficult to prevent, you may look up guides to prevent Microsoft repo, and even these solutions have shortcomings.
arstechnica.com/…/raspberry-pi-os-added-a-microso…
On top of that, this enabled telemetry which is borderline illegal in EU.
It also means you ping Microsoft with every use of your package manager, granting Microsoft very useful information on a competing OS, plus giving them information you may not wish to give them.
You may consider all these issues as non issues, but I do not.
Edit:
It did not come preinstalled.
Can you support your claim? Raspberry py offers a Linux based computer and you can install whatever the hell you want on it.
Yeah I’d like a source too because what they said makes no sense. The immature way they responded to criticism of someone they hired is a good reason to be turned off of the pi, no need to actually make up something ridiculous.
I think they’re referring to that one time they installed a Microsoft repo on Raspbian without permission.
Thanks, that makes more sense. According to an article on ars it doesn’t actually install anything so I don’t see their problem. All they have to do is comment out the line or just use a different distribution.
It was removed a month later anyway. Now VSCode can be installed through the main Raspbian repo.
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OK they apparently did, but apparently they did it silently, at least I never noticed, maybe because I switched to Debian?
I actually thought it was still there!
forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=306597
But you are right they did it after about a month. If only they had owned up to it. Or at least announced it more clearly.
I think the main problem is just screwing with the system like that without permission. I mean, I know I was pretty pissed off when I found a Microsoft repo in my sources one day. It’s not like it was a standard update or anything.
forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=303549
arstechnica.com/…/raspberry-pi-os-added-a-microso…
I love the “overly paranoid” label, when you’re talking about a repo than can alter “real system packages”.
In what world is this OK?
That’s not the same as their claim that Microsoft software was pre installed and has access to your system which is what I’m arguing was incorrect.
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Explain how adding a Microsoft repo that doesn’t actually install anything is the same as giving Microsoft access to your device?
OK if i must…
The raspberry pi came preinstalled with a Microsoft developer tool, which resided in a Microsoft controlled repo.
Now Microsoft has root access to your system, whenever you make any kind of upgrade, and can change dependencies for that tool to anything in their repo. Basically granting a third party control over your raspberry pi.
The worst is that it’s very difficult to prevent, you may look up guides to prevent Microsoft repo, and even these solutions have shortcomings.
arstechnica.com/…/raspberry-pi-os-added-a-microso…
On top of that, this enabled telemetry which is borderline illegal in EU.
It also means you ping Microsoft with every use of your package manager, granting Microsoft very useful information on a competing OS, plus giving them information you may not wish to give them.
You may consider all these issues as non issues, but I do not.
Edit:
It did not come preinstalled.
It didn’t come pre installed with the tool. It only had the repo. Did you even read your own link?
Corrected.
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forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=303549
arstechnica.com/…/raspberry-pi-os-added-a-microso…
Lots of things to criticize rPi foundation for, but this is just goofy BS.
Not the foundation. They’re not the ones who’ve funked up the product, it was and is the stupid profit-driven sister corporation to which they’ve outsourced design and manufacturing. The foundation exists only for educarional stuff now.
My wife still uses the hardware, but with only Debian on it.
Personally they lost me, fucking up like that, I don’t trust them.
You keep posting this article but it explains clearly why it’s not a big deal.
I just found the article to prove that it happened.
You then have to ask why it wasn’t announced, and why they changed the practice?
There are several problems about it, which I stated elsewhere in this thread. You may think they are not an issue, and that’s OK.
But I DO think it’s a serious issue, in part for the reasons stated previously.
Now I think I’m out of here, this is not something that actually has my interest anymore, since we use Debian on our old Pi’s , and will not buy any more.
Just read the article. That’s bad.
I don’t care that I can remove the repo, I’d still have to block MS to prevent an RPi update from re-adding a repo that can replace core files.
What kind of BS is that author peddling? The bottom line is “if it can be done, it’s a bad thing”, that goodwill argument is a bunch of whitewashing.
Plus, I don’t WANT VS on my Pi. The “help learning students” argument is also BS. VS is difficult to install because it’s not native, and this is a reality for tech users. Better approach would be clear documentation on how to install VS, explaining the how’s and why’s along the way. If it’s “too hard” to write such documentation or for students to follow it, then that person is clearly not qualified to write it.
I’ve written TONS of docs just like this for enterprise app deployment. It’s SOP there. If a test unit fails to successfully rebuild a system using my docs, it’s not the tester’s fault, it’s a fault of my docs not being complete or clear enough.
Every enterprise has teams that document everying to the extreme for disaster recovery - the idea being that anyone technical can walk in and rebuild an entire system from your docs.
Thanks for the link.
I don’t get it. From what I can tell, they added
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/vscode.listwith a third-party MS repository . . . and that’s it. You can now dosudo apt install codeand get VS Code installed. If you don’t want VS Code, then don’t install it. At worst, Microsoft gets a log entry of you downloading the package list every time you dosudo apt update.I don’t really like VS Code, myself, but it’s becoming something of an industry standard. Even in environments that are otherwise Linux-based. Lots of my coworkers use it even though we deploy on Linux. Making it easier for students to install is understandable.
I’m also confused, and I say this as someone who uses Debian as their main driver.
There was also a Windows 10 IOT build for Raspberry Pi. Basically a stripped down Windows without a desktop for embedded uses. Nobody was forced to use it and probably very few people ever did.
As for this repo it looks like a build of VS Code which is just a popular text / programming editor.
Based on that URL, this only applies to RaspberryPi OS but you’re in no way required to even use it.
Oh! Oh. Nevermind. Welp. Back to Orange Pi. At least they’re available.
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It’s an Armbian distro. Down side is you can’t install Pi images for specific things, you need to build them manually, but other than that no real issues. Also you can run Android (that was trickier to setup as it needs a windows only tool to flash it to the SD card.
What windows-only tool are you referring to?
Phoenix card from their official tools. It’s apparently the only flasher that can properly flash android to TF card.
They work pretty well. The upside is they are always available. The downside is less support for software like the pi foundation has invested into. But they do a great job as a Linux board and if you use a well supported distro, you should be fine.
At one point, we had to do a project with 40ish of these things. Worked out well and we couldn’t get a pi, because since 2019 they are basically impossible to order in number.
At the beginning, they were really behind raspberry pis, but the newer models are so nice, that I wouldn’t be surprised if they soon start leading on the innovation in the niche.
Software support has been improving too. You can install armbian just fine, and they have been working on their own official distro. Community support is still minimal, but slowly growing.
“Available”
Already sold out? Have they learned nothing? At this point they have to be doing it intentionally.
Scalp their own product and sell it for a markup just like how Nintendo does it with amibos and mini consoles.
My pi 4 is worth much much more than I bought it for. It’s insane.
Same but it’s too valuable for me to get rid of it.
Its currently running a satellite tracker. Its a fun little project. Citizen science and all that.
If it’s going to get scalped anyways, I would prefer we did it in the open auction style the first half year, with the RPI foundation getting the proceeds.
These scalper bots are adding nothing of value. Fuck em.
What do you think they should do? Manufacturing more won’t help; bots will buy all available initial stock regardless. You can try using exclusive channels, but then you exclude a whole lot of people who will naturally get upset. Increasing the initial price will piss people off, too.
They’re only valuable for scalpers because they’re so hard to get. If they wouldn’t constantly put business orders above consumer orders, the demand for scalping would evaporate just like it has for every other consumer electronic device. People aren’t selling PS5s for $1000 anymore because you can just go buy one from the store.
How these bot networks work is they setup scripts to grab every available product they can. They don’t care what it is; could be shoes, designer bag, GPU, whatever. They just pick something that has worked in the past.
RPis have worked in the past. Now, what they might see is that the new version doesn’t move on eBay like the old ones did. The $500 RPi5 will sit untouched. If so, then the RPi5 will likely be the last time we see this kind of release behavior. But it won’t happen this time, and there’s little the RPi Foundation can do about it.
This is basically what happened in the GPU market this past generation. Scalpers bought up the first few weeks of stock for big flagship releases, but they sat there. Then they moved on, and the launch day availability was much better.
They are absolutely doing it intentionally. Industry gets first crack, then some educators so they can get some good press, then the rest of us get scraps.
As an educator, still pretty hard for us to get them, too.
But it’s not them, it’s silicon in general. It’s why car prices have gone up, too.
“Available”
Hi, can someone point me to a good resource where I can ask for DIY solution of home speaker.
I need home speakers that can play music and messages from home machine.
Target music is something like jellyfin, messaging is not decided.
Goal is to have a speaker per room like Apple speaker, but controllable from Linux.
Try ropieee.org. I use it for use with roon. But it also makes it work with Spotify and airplay. Just add some powered speakers or get fancy and a nice amp/combo. Hopefully that works for you.
The bridge is free, but underlying software is paid service subscription.
ropieee.org/xl/ It works without roon. Hope it helps get you going.
I feel like I’ve heard that last part a few years in a row.
They changed the board design to be much faster to produce by Sony, who manufactures them.
As far as Pi4’s go, you can pretty much get them now without fucking around (albeit only in 2GB and above). I imagine Pi5’s will be difficult for a while. New releases always are.
Pi4 regular boards yeah. The CM4 (Compute module 4) boards are a bit of a bitch to find though.
I wonder if we’ll see a CM5 and whether it’ll be compatible with the CM4 interface boards
Ah cool. Last time I was looking for one was early in the year and I just gave up and got a different SBC.
You have, and they have been steadily (but slowly) making progresss across the board.
“Available”
For bots to get the whole stock for corporate needs
Yeah, what’s the point. Just get one of the 30 some odd other ones.
None of those are available either because this non-profit is all about serving corporations above everyone else.
You’re not wrong 😢
“out of stock”, “leading time” 17 weeks. Yeah…“Available”. Sure.
Ah shit, here we go again.
I pre-ordered one a few weeks ago, and it’s at least a month out. So yeah… This headline frustrates me.
It’s not out now.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/81518982-b194-48ed-9492-d8b35f2584b9.webm">
It was gone over a month ago.