You can say the same about the whole entertainment industry then. You just prefer other things than short form, visual content.
heavydust@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jan 13:42
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I cannot say that a great movie is equivalent to a meme in an animated GIF.
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de
on 18 Jan 19:41
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Nobody is saying that. But I will take a great meme over a shitty movie any day.
heavydust@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jan 19:43
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Nobody is saying that
Well, that other guy was saying this so…
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de
on 18 Jan 19:52
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No, they did not. All I saw was a statement that people making a living on sites like TikTok or YouTube are also part of the entertainment industry. Which is just a fact. Whether you like short form content on these sites or not doesn’t change that fact.
heavydust@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jan 20:24
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part of the entertainment industry. Which is just a fact
Your facts are yours only, and laughable too. Get a job, something that is the tiniest bit useful. But filling the internet with your inane thoughts is definitely not a job, nor does it belong in a forum dedicated to technology. The mere “fact” that any moron can pretend to have a job by putting 30 seconds videos in the latest fad is disgusting and unworthy of humanity.
Woops, I already spent more time answering your post than those idiots have spent filming themselves spewing what idiotic thoughts came out of their brains. Am I an influencer now?
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jan 21:46
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Am I an influencer now?
You aren’t making any money from it, so, no.
Like it or not, people make a living doing this.
heavydust@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jan 21:49
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people make a living doing this
I know. The tiktok ban may fix that for some time hopefully.
what’s with this curmudgeon type shit? their livelihood is at risk. just because you’re not part of the ecosystem doesn’t mean you need to dismiss a way to make money thats worked for quite a few people.
heavydust@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jan 15:29
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their livelihood is at risk
They should make a better tiktok: 5 seconds videos, it will be more insightful, and a gift to humanity… Or maybe 1 seconds videos because they will concentrate their talents. But god forbid they find a real job, that would be exhausting.
They’re lice riding on the back of a large and very efficient predator.
Nothing they can do on that platform benefits humankind, though it might funnel some money in the “creators’” direction. They’re no better than the teenagers that run bindles of smack from the trap house to the junkie for a couple of bucks.
Their livelihoods are only at risk because they ignored the cards for the previous five years. If you’re living in the US, and haven’t spread your content out to other platforms by now, you are in that situation because of your own inaction. I refuse to sympathize with people who aren’t capable of simple logic.
If it pays the bills for those people, what difference does it make? Other than "me no likey", that is?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
on 18 Jan 13:01
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Morons who should have been doing that in the first place. You never want all your content and success to hinge on the whim’s on one corporation.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jan 13:57
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Have people somehow forgotten that VPNs exist? Like millions are moving to rednote but the easier way is to literally just, at minimum, get a shitty free VPN, and still have access to tiktok.
Personally tho, I’d probably opt for a cloud server VPN if I really needed one.
Edit: this was a stupid take, I forgot the app would be removed from devices and that it will cause inconvenience.
You vastly overestimate the average person’s technical ability.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jan 14:38
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Honestly, true. I must be underestimating how tired I am and overestimating how much brain power I got left because, I must say, I barely had a single thought when typing that.
shoulderoforion@fedia.io
on 18 Jan 14:20
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VPN's are grand, if you're using a PC, if you're using a smartphone the app is about to be dissapeared, also if your bag is monetization, good luck getting a bank to accept digital deposits from TikTok
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jan 14:32
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Oh right, I somehow didn’t think they’d remove the app at first, I thought they’d just firewall it or smthn. The monitisation part also makes a lot of sense too. Honestly I don’t have even the smallest experience with witnessing anything online get banned in my country apart from piracy.
Good, they can do something else to regain their sense of self-worth, such as working the glory hole in a truck stop in Bakersfield.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Jan 13:26
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Although it might not seem like it, not all users of tiktok are the doom scroller brain-dead stereotype you believe. Tiktok has helped many small businesses get off their feet, allowed people and groups to get donations they may need, and has facilitated education about topics from news to interesting facts to scientific phenomenon and beyond.
Granted, it does have its negatives, like brain rot content and the hyperfocused algorithm, but it has it’s pretty amazing aspects as well.
Any roadblock in using a social media will turn off 90% of the users.
Which means the creators will be gone, too.
Sure, you could connect to it via VPN, but most of the content you like won’t be there anymore.
biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jan 23:26
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I fully agree with that, and I was wrong in assuming that it’d be very simple. In my country, we only got online piracy firewalled, so I don’t have experience with apps or other kinds of websites getting banned, and somehow I assumed that most of the demographics of a service would try and use it a different way just like how we use VPNs to hop on the pirate bays, but that isn’t the case.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 18 Jan 14:54
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They miss the early phase of enshittification. The reason a normal person could get 50 million views in 24 hours is because the tiktok office had a way to juice the algorithm for specific videos and show it to everybody. And they were just doing this for free. Just like Facebook used to show content to people organically. Eventually tiktok starts selling ads and maximizing value, and then you have to pay for the success they used to give for free.
Wait if tiktok is a private company, maybe it wouldn’t do that exactly the same way as Facebook and Google
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca
on 18 Jan 16:15
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Jesus Christ I’m tired of hearing about this TikTok bullshit every goddamn day
Soulifix@kbin.melroy.org
on 18 Jan 16:52
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I've come from an era of the internet where - you're not supposed to be internet famous. That's like a frowned upon thing where people think you lead a loser life because you got infamous on the internet. Now people are fretting about how many views they get.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world
on 18 Jan 17:08
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I think those „success stories“ were always at least a little fabricated by the algorithm that somewhat randomly pushed a selected few lucky users immensely just to show the rest how you can become a media sensation overnight. It gives the platform free publicity as opposed to distributing visibility more evenly. Besides the ad revenue on TikTok is almost non existent even compared to Youtube. It was never a platform that you could realistically become successful with even if you got views.
Besides the ad revenue on TikTok is almost non existent even compared to Youtube. It was never a platform that you could realistically become successful with even if you got views.
If TikTok was widely known for being bad for making money then maybe it pulled some people who didn’t care about money like on old YouTube.
Lila_Uraraka@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 18 Jan 18:40
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It literally has more registered users than there were registered for the US presidential election
I’m wondering how much of TikTok is actually authentic. Like when a video gets hundreds of views and likes, is TikTok padding those numbers to make users feel like they are “viral” just to stay on the platform? Even if TikTok isn’t directly doing it, how many are from bot farms just trying to “look normal” by having their sock puppets engage with “normal” videos before using them to push their desired narratives?
Maybe I should start a social network with a mysterious black box algorithm that is really just a random number generator that only goes up. 🤔
I imagine that people have fucked around to find out how to game the system and know more or less exactly how the thing actually works. People do it everywhere else. Shit, dudes on YouTube like The Spiffing Brit make entire videos about how the system works and how you can exploit it.
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Oh no
anyways
Making shitty videos is a stupid hobby, not a job.
You can say the same about the whole entertainment industry then. You just prefer other things than short form, visual content.
I cannot say that a great movie is equivalent to a meme in an animated GIF.
Nobody is saying that. But I will take a great meme over a shitty movie any day.
Well, that other guy was saying this so…
No, they did not. All I saw was a statement that people making a living on sites like TikTok or YouTube are also part of the entertainment industry. Which is just a fact. Whether you like short form content on these sites or not doesn’t change that fact.
Your facts are yours only, and laughable too. Get a job, something that is the tiniest bit useful. But filling the internet with your inane thoughts is definitely not a job, nor does it belong in a forum dedicated to technology. The mere “fact” that any moron can pretend to have a job by putting 30 seconds videos in the latest fad is disgusting and unworthy of humanity.
Woops, I already spent more time answering your post than those idiots have spent filming themselves spewing what idiotic thoughts came out of their brains. Am I an influencer now?
You aren’t making any money from it, so, no.
Like it or not, people make a living doing this.
I know. The tiktok ban may fix that for some time hopefully.
what’s with this curmudgeon type shit? their livelihood is at risk. just because you’re not part of the ecosystem doesn’t mean you need to dismiss a way to make money thats worked for quite a few people.
They should make a better tiktok: 5 seconds videos, it will be more insightful, and a gift to humanity… Or maybe 1 seconds videos because they will concentrate their talents. But god forbid they find a real job, that would be exhausting.
How do you feel about content like this? It’s long form, informative, and hobbyist.
Or this guy who generates customer leads to his interior design business?
They’re lice riding on the back of a large and very efficient predator.
Nothing they can do on that platform benefits humankind, though it might funnel some money in the “creators’” direction. They’re no better than the teenagers that run bindles of smack from the trap house to the junkie for a couple of bucks.
this is a social media app that creators can make videos on. i think you’re overreacting just a bit, man.
its not the end of the world. people making content that people enjoy on a video app isn’t going to ruin the youth.
relax.
Spreading information benefits humanity.
Showing someone how to cook a recipe benefits humanity.
Informing people about things that are happening benefits humanity.
Telling your story, and letting others learn from it benefits humanity.
Entertaining people, even just for a moment benifits humanity.
Their livelihoods are only at risk because they ignored the cards for the previous five years. If you’re living in the US, and haven’t spread your content out to other platforms by now, you are in that situation because of your own inaction. I refuse to sympathize with people who aren’t capable of simple logic.
If it pays the bills for those people, what difference does it make? Other than "me no likey", that is?
Morons who should have been doing that in the first place. You never want all your content and success to hinge on the whim’s on one corporation.
Have people somehow forgotten that VPNs exist? Like millions are moving to rednote but the easier way is to literally just, at minimum, get a shitty free VPN, and still have access to tiktok.Personally tho, I’d probably opt for a cloud server VPN if I really needed one.Edit: this was a stupid take, I forgot the app would be removed from devices and that it will cause inconvenience.
You vastly overestimate the average person’s technical ability.
Honestly, true. I must be underestimating how tired I am and overestimating how much brain power I got left because, I must say, I barely had a single thought when typing that.
VPN's are grand, if you're using a PC, if you're using a smartphone the app is about to be dissapeared, also if your bag is monetization, good luck getting a bank to accept digital deposits from TikTok
Oh right, I somehow didn’t think they’d remove the app at first, I thought they’d just firewall it or smthn. The monitisation part also makes a lot of sense too. Honestly I don’t have even the smallest experience with witnessing anything online get banned in my country apart from piracy.
Good, they can do something else to regain their sense of self-worth, such as working the glory hole in a truck stop in Bakersfield.
Although it might not seem like it, not all users of tiktok are the doom scroller brain-dead stereotype you believe. Tiktok has helped many small businesses get off their feet, allowed people and groups to get donations they may need, and has facilitated education about topics from news to interesting facts to scientific phenomenon and beyond.
Granted, it does have its negatives, like brain rot content and the hyperfocused algorithm, but it has it’s pretty amazing aspects as well.
Any roadblock in using a social media will turn off 90% of the users.
Which means the creators will be gone, too.
Sure, you could connect to it via VPN, but most of the content you like won’t be there anymore.
I fully agree with that, and I was wrong in assuming that it’d be very simple. In my country, we only got online piracy firewalled, so I don’t have experience with apps or other kinds of websites getting banned, and somehow I assumed that most of the demographics of a service would try and use it a different way just like how we use VPNs to hop on the pirate bays, but that isn’t the case.
They miss the early phase of enshittification. The reason a normal person could get 50 million views in 24 hours is because the tiktok office had a way to juice the algorithm for specific videos and show it to everybody. And they were just doing this for free. Just like Facebook used to show content to people organically. Eventually tiktok starts selling ads and maximizing value, and then you have to pay for the success they used to give for free.
Wait if tiktok is a private company, maybe it wouldn’t do that exactly the same way as Facebook and Google
Jesus Christ I’m tired of hearing about this TikTok bullshit every goddamn day
I've come from an era of the internet where - you're not supposed to be internet famous. That's like a frowned upon thing where people think you lead a loser life because you got infamous on the internet. Now people are fretting about how many views they get.
I think those „success stories“ were always at least a little fabricated by the algorithm that somewhat randomly pushed a selected few lucky users immensely just to show the rest how you can become a media sensation overnight. It gives the platform free publicity as opposed to distributing visibility more evenly. Besides the ad revenue on TikTok is almost non existent even compared to Youtube. It was never a platform that you could realistically become successful with even if you got views.
If TikTok was widely known for being bad for making money then maybe it pulled some people who didn’t care about money like on old YouTube.
It literally has more registered users than there were registered for the US presidential election
Useless, brainless time-wasters, the lot of them.
I’m wondering how much of TikTok is actually authentic. Like when a video gets hundreds of views and likes, is TikTok padding those numbers to make users feel like they are “viral” just to stay on the platform? Even if TikTok isn’t directly doing it, how many are from bot farms just trying to “look normal” by having their sock puppets engage with “normal” videos before using them to push their desired narratives?
Maybe I should start a social network with a mysterious black box algorithm that is really just a random number generator that only goes up. 🤔
I imagine that people have fucked around to find out how to game the system and know more or less exactly how the thing actually works. People do it everywhere else. Shit, dudes on YouTube like The Spiffing Brit make entire videos about how the system works and how you can exploit it.
Perfectly balanced game…
The numbers presented on TikTok are absolutely 100% made up nonsense.
Didn’t Vine do this once, then TikTok came along and did it, more or less? Won’t there just be another one sometime before we know it?