cornshark@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2024 14:59
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Wait, didn’t this feature already exist for years and then was shut down??
Concave1142@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2024 15:04
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I feel like this is what the comment section is used for.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br
on 17 Jun 2024 15:06
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Can the channel owner delete comments on their videos?
PoolloverNathan@programming.dev
on 17 Jun 2024 15:21
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Yes, as well as automatically hiding new comments.
expatriado@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2024 15:43
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which is unfortunate, i think YT does it to save paid labor on moderating comments, but this allows video posters to upload misleading info and delete correcting replies, which also pairs well with hidden thumbs down
snooggums@midwest.social
on 17 Jun 2024 15:48
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It also allows uploaders to stop hate filled posting, like incels trashing the comments on anything positive about female characters in media.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 2024 16:09
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Honestly, I’d rather the channel have the first say here. It would be even better if some independent mod team could override channel owners though if there are enough reports.
snooggums@midwest.social
on 17 Jun 2024 16:32
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Enough reports is how brigades are effective.
There isn’t a great solution that solves all the possibilities, it is a difficult problem. An independent mod team sounds great until you get into the details of how they are formed and the fact that they are people too who might miss nuance or hold their own shitty opinions.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 17 Jun 2024 18:07
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Sure, but a manual review is way better than any form of automated system. To combat brigading, the mod team could issue temporary suspensions if that’s deemed to be the case, and full bans if the behavior is repeated.
It would be quite expensive for YouTube to do that, so it’s not happening. Best we’re getting is some automated nonsense, probably based on AI.
Yeah clearly training data does get much review for these peasant facing products. I am assuming real tool will take legions of pros to properly tune up.
The issue not LLM per we, the issue is that none of these clown companies appear to do Amy data quality control. They just rush whatever janky thing they got to drive headlines.
downpunxx@fedia.io
on 17 Jun 2024 15:43
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what could possibly go wrong
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de
on 17 Jun 2024 15:58
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It’s our duty to describe all videos as pizza glue recipes.
SouthFresh@lemmy.ml
on 17 Jun 2024 16:00
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I give this about two weeks before they realize that it’s as effective at helping their advertising as having dislike buttons are.
I am not condoning poisoning of this well of information, but I will laugh my ass off when it inevitably occurs.
FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Jun 2024 17:51
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I condone poisoning this feature with false info. maybe it will teach them that the dislikes should be public again. using an extension is cool and all, but so many people still don’t know about it.
Adalast@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2024 17:58
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It really is unfortunate as it COULD be a really good feature if it were being implemented by someone who wasn’t just trying to crowdsource AI training data that will go into commercial products without compensation to anyone. It could be a great tool for professionals and experts to expand on what creators say, a way to call out falsehoods and Hypocrites, and a way to find your people in a world that is growing ever bleaker. But no, it is just being done to force more ads down our throats and harvest more money from us.
Creators can view their like and dislike percentage, and around when the extension came about, many large youtubers were able to confirm the accuracy of the guesstimate that the extension gives you (on new content after the dislike indicator was removed). There are enough users and historical data to make the calculations reeeeally close.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jun 2024 12:37
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It’s not real though, you do know that right? There isn’t some hidden dislike count that YT has that the extension can access.
I imagine it’s taken from other users of the extension clicking the dislike button. A biased and wildly uneven sample. I would not put much stock in it at all.
kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de
on 19 Jun 2024 18:22
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It is real, it’s just not data from YouTube. The information on how it works is made very clear, and people using it should be aware of the drawbacks.
Joelk111@lemmy.world
on 19 Jun 2024 19:19
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Can confirm it is real, I have it installed right now via revanced, Grayjay, and Firefox extension.
Also, I have a terrible imagination, but that’s OK, as it’s open source and you can see how it’s calculated on their github.
It takes the ration of likes to dislikes from users of the service, and applies that ratio to the total number of likes to estimate the total number of dislikes.
It also archived a lot of video’s dislike counts before the dislike field was removed from the API.
As a user of the extension who knows how it works (no thanks to yourself), take it with whatever sized grain of salt you feel comfortable with.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jun 2024 23:36
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It’s “real” as in it exists, but you say so yourself that it’s just an estimate.
demonsword@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 14:52
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The dislike bar was real, I’ll tell ya, I’ve lived nigh on eighty years and me own two eyes seent the dislike bar clear as day! Ye better believe, sonny, it’s the truth!
Yeah, the dislike bar used to be a thing. You could see how many dislikes there were compared to likes, all represented on a line below the two buttons. It was sort of like this image, except imagine the “yes” and “no” as a single line (but retaining their separate colors).
Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de
on 19 Jun 2024 14:16
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Wait till you tell him youtube used to have a 5-star rating system
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 17 Jun 2024 16:18
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Re-Enabling the dislike button would help too
UFODivebomb@programming.dev
on 17 Jun 2024 18:37
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Nah. Low value signal. Easy to game.
Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
on 17 Jun 2024 20:31
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kellenoffdagrid@lemmy.sdf.org
on 17 Jun 2024 22:22
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Yeah but it’s not that accurate, and it leaves most normal mobile users out of the picture. I know YouTube knew exactly what they were doing when they removed dislikes, but it still seems absolutely insane to remove such a useful tool for sifting through the bullshit.
timmymac@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 15:11
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It was removed because Biden got too many downvotes. It’ll be back soon. It was stupid of them to take it away.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 18 Jun 2024 16:05
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That’s not why it was removed
It was removed not long after one of their Rewind vids was disliked to hell.
And it ain’t coming back, at least they haven’t so much as hinted at it
timmymac@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 17:45
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Nah, that’s what they told you and you believed. Don’t be a fool for the media. It’s a bad look.
Strykker@programming.dev
on 18 Jun 2024 17:58
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Continuing to speak is a bad look on you.
You talk shit out of your ass.
timmymac@lemmy.world
on 18 Jun 2024 20:00
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I talk truth in my own thoghts. You speak lies in talking points you were told to say. And you do. Be smarter. Don’t follow the herd.
WamGams@lemmy.ca
on 19 Jun 2024 00:55
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I am glad to see that in his personal bankruptcy, Alex Jones has decided to spend the free time here on Lemmy…
Welcome to have you, Ale, I can’t wait to hear more about the chicken fried steak that God talked to you through.
timmymac@lemmy.world
on 21 Jun 2024 14:29
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Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
on 19 Jun 2024 12:14
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Alright, why do you think that google would remove dislikes becausr of biden
timmymac@lemmy.world
on 21 Jun 2024 14:27
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I don’t think it. It’s true. The reason is because they were pushing his agenda. They’ve already admitted that. They removed it because he was getting too many. Just because you disagree doesn’t make me wrong because that is straight truth.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
on 21 Jun 2024 14:32
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First of all, source?
Second of all, wouldnt alphabet (googles parent company) back trump since he would lower their taxes and oppose législation that would cause them money?
timmymac@lemmy.world
on 21 Jun 2024 19:23
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The fact you don’t know this means you clearly just get info that is fed to you. You’re not worth talking to. Not my job to do your research. It’s there. You don’t want to find it.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip
on 21 Jun 2024 20:14
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Are you stupid? This isnt how you convince people youre right, how do you know you arent just consuming fringe misinformation. And also, the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim, im going to assume you dont have a source
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jun 2024 12:36
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Whoa this guy’s badass.
He knows what’s really going on, and it just happens to always be opposite of whatever “the media” says.
timmymac@lemmy.world
on 21 Jun 2024 14:25
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Crazy but true. Keep being a follower. See how that works out for you.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 22 Jun 2024 13:55
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Ooooh boy it must feel super special to have this secret knowledge that nobody else but you can seem to keep up with. Almost as if it’s bullshit.
Tell me, based my one reply to you, who am I following? Is anyone who disagrees with you automatically a “follower”? That would seem a little too convenient, no?
The fact is you’re a basic-ass, run of the mill contrarian. Most of us have learned how to deal with people like you in our real lives, but it’s always a little bit sad to see someone who clearly doesn’t have anyone in their life to tell them to shut the fuck up every now and then.
So here, I’ll do everyone a service: Shut the fuck up.
YaDownWitCPP@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2024 16:27
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Hopefully it’s on by default and works like the old pop-up-video messages over the video. It should play a sound every time one pops up and then a bubble popping sound when you click on it to close it.
paraphrand@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2024 16:50
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This is just for training AI.
Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 17 Jun 2024 16:51
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I miss when Youtube had community sourced subtitles and those little annotations on the video…
Damn I miss those. Nowadays it’s really hard to find a video that’s in another language and has subtitles. The only subtitles you will find are the automatically-generated ones, which suck
They’re at least understandable (usually), but they’re like 5-10 seconds behind the video (sometimes longer), and they can be difficult to interpret at times.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jun 2024 01:09
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They’re only about 90% accurate and usually that’s better than nothing, but sometimes the little bit that’s wrong is very confusing
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2024 21:48
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Thanks bruh, if I had the patience to deal with ads maybe I’d watch YouTube.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2024 22:52
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lol, considering the “quality” content in the comments section it’s just going to be a continuation of that dumpster fire.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Jun 2024 12:44
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I would never go as far as to say that they’re “quality,” but I do think YT comment sections aren’t the complete shitshow that they were a decade or so ago. It really does depend on the channel though too.
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world
on 17 Jun 2024 23:02
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This sounds like a great spot for scammers to flood for maximum visabilty. It’ll be too much effort to moderate, so creators will just disable them (if they can) or this will be shut down in about (checks YouTube’s history of dealling with scammers) 3.5 years.
jayandp@sh.itjust.works
on 18 Jun 2024 06:08
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I mean, if this is basically Twitter’s Community Notes feature, but for YouTube, I’m all for it. Bit of a balancing act, but it’s the last thing that hasn’t been completely wrecked now that Twitter became Xitter.
Advertisers working in your native language cannot hijack your attention when foreign language videos are running. Subtitling facilitates that, and encourages site activity that differs from consumption, such as broadening one’s horizons and being inquisitive about the real world.
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Wait, didn’t this feature already exist for years and then was shut down??
I feel like this is what the comment section is used for.
Can the channel owner delete comments on their videos?
Yes, as well as automatically hiding new comments.
which is unfortunate, i think YT does it to save paid labor on moderating comments, but this allows video posters to upload misleading info and delete correcting replies, which also pairs well with hidden thumbs down
It also allows uploaders to stop hate filled posting, like incels trashing the comments on anything positive about female characters in media.
Honestly, I’d rather the channel have the first say here. It would be even better if some independent mod team could override channel owners though if there are enough reports.
Enough reports is how brigades are effective.
There isn’t a great solution that solves all the possibilities, it is a difficult problem. An independent mod team sounds great until you get into the details of how they are formed and the fact that they are people too who might miss nuance or hold their own shitty opinions.
Sure, but a manual review is way better than any form of automated system. To combat brigading, the mod team could issue temporary suspensions if that’s deemed to be the case, and full bans if the behavior is repeated.
It would be quite expensive for YouTube to do that, so it’s not happening. Best we’re getting is some automated nonsense, probably based on AI.
It also allows uploaders to stoke hate with their videos and delete reasonable takes and people calling out misinformation in the comments.
Which one is worse depends on the context of the video.
And Youtube will 100% allow creators to hide notes, as well. Corporations will not allow themselves to be criticized on their own pages.
Comments section are not voted on by users.
? They absolutely are…
Technically they are, but I’m not sure how confident I am in YouTube showing you comments I a reasonable order regardless.
So the upvotes and downvotes in the comments don’t do anything?
Probably not. Or maybe every vote counts as “engagement” and pushes it to the top.
I value my mental health too much to regularly dive into the YouTube comment section
I must be watching different videos than the people complaining about YouTube comments. The ones I see are virtually all positive.
Don’t just look at the comments. Look at the replies to the top comments. 8 out of 10 times they turn super toxic super quickly in my experience.
Yeah that’ll end well I’m sure.
another chance to provide free labour to train their AI!
I’m sure the annotations will be intelligent and insightful…
Yeah clearly training data does get much review for these peasant facing products. I am assuming real tool will take legions of pros to properly tune up.
The issue not LLM per we, the issue is that none of these clown companies appear to do Amy data quality control. They just rush whatever janky thing they got to drive headlines.
what could possibly go wrong
It’s our duty to describe all videos as pizza glue recipes.
I give this about two weeks before they realize that it’s as effective at helping their advertising as having dislike buttons are.
I am not condoning poisoning of this well of information, but I will laugh my ass off when it inevitably occurs.
I condone poisoning this feature with false info. maybe it will teach them that the dislikes should be public again. using an extension is cool and all, but so many people still don’t know about it.
It really is unfortunate as it COULD be a really good feature if it were being implemented by someone who wasn’t just trying to crowdsource AI training data that will go into commercial products without compensation to anyone. It could be a great tool for professionals and experts to expand on what creators say, a way to call out falsehoods and Hypocrites, and a way to find your people in a world that is growing ever bleaker. But no, it is just being done to force more ads down our throats and harvest more money from us.
And, once they discontinue it, I hope someone creates an add-on to bring it back like they did with dislikes.
It’s a bit out-of-scope, but it’d be a great SponsorBlock feature!
So now we have to read a community note to know a video is garbage instead of just seeing a massive dislike bar and clicking off?
Didn’t they take away the dislike button?
The removed the dislike count a couple years ago, so you can no longer see if a video is terrible.
The thumbnail and title alone is typically enough to know how garbage it is.
“Return YouTube Dislike” extension for Firefox and Chrome.
Works surprisingly well even after all this time. I often forget its been removed.
It isn’t a real count of users who have clicked the dislike button, YouTube no longer makes that data available.
So I would not put much stock in that number.
I’m well aware of how it works.
Then why put any stock in it whatsoever
Because it is quite accurate
And you’re basing that conclusion on…?
Creators can view their like and dislike percentage, and around when the extension came about, many large youtubers were able to confirm the accuracy of the guesstimate that the extension gives you (on new content after the dislike indicator was removed). There are enough users and historical data to make the calculations reeeeally close.
It’s not real though, you do know that right? There isn’t some hidden dislike count that YT has that the extension can access.
I imagine it’s taken from other users of the extension clicking the dislike button. A biased and wildly uneven sample. I would not put much stock in it at all.
It is real, it’s just not data from YouTube. The information on how it works is made very clear, and people using it should be aware of the drawbacks.
Can confirm it is real, I have it installed right now via revanced, Grayjay, and Firefox extension.
Also, I have a terrible imagination, but that’s OK, as it’s open source and you can see how it’s calculated on their github.
It takes the ration of likes to dislikes from users of the service, and applies that ratio to the total number of likes to estimate the total number of dislikes.
It also archived a lot of video’s dislike counts before the dislike field was removed from the API.
As a user of the extension who knows how it works (no thanks to yourself), take it with whatever sized grain of salt you feel comfortable with.
It’s “real” as in it exists, but you say so yourself that it’s just an estimate.
you can still see that number on smarttube
LOL definitely a real comment by a real person. Dislike bar…
It was a bar that showed the ratio of likes to dislikes
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I don’t see what was wrong with the comment of /u/voyajer. Can you elaborate?
The dislike bar was real, I’ll tell ya, I’ve lived nigh on eighty years and me own two eyes seent the dislike bar clear as day! Ye better believe, sonny, it’s the truth!
Yeah, the dislike bar used to be a thing. You could see how many dislikes there were compared to likes, all represented on a line below the two buttons. It was sort of like this image, except imagine the “yes” and “no” as a single line (but retaining their separate colors).
Wait till you tell him youtube used to have a 5-star rating system
Re-Enabling the dislike button would help too
Nah. Low value signal. Easy to game.
I agree but there’s also an add-on for that
Yeah but it’s not that accurate, and it leaves most normal mobile users out of the picture. I know YouTube knew exactly what they were doing when they removed dislikes, but it still seems absolutely insane to remove such a useful tool for sifting through the bullshit.
It was removed because Biden got too many downvotes. It’ll be back soon. It was stupid of them to take it away.
That’s not why it was removed
It was removed not long after one of their Rewind vids was disliked to hell.
And it ain’t coming back, at least they haven’t so much as hinted at it
Nah, that’s what they told you and you believed. Don’t be a fool for the media. It’s a bad look.
Continuing to speak is a bad look on you.
You talk shit out of your ass.
I talk truth in my own thoghts. You speak lies in talking points you were told to say. And you do. Be smarter. Don’t follow the herd.
I am glad to see that in his personal bankruptcy, Alex Jones has decided to spend the free time here on Lemmy…
Welcome to have you, Ale, I can’t wait to hear more about the chicken fried steak that God talked to you through.
Follower
I deserved you calling me a sheeple, Alex.
Alright, why do you think that google would remove dislikes becausr of biden
I don’t think it. It’s true. The reason is because they were pushing his agenda. They’ve already admitted that. They removed it because he was getting too many. Just because you disagree doesn’t make me wrong because that is straight truth.
First of all, source?
Second of all, wouldnt alphabet (googles parent company) back trump since he would lower their taxes and oppose législation that would cause them money?
The fact you don’t know this means you clearly just get info that is fed to you. You’re not worth talking to. Not my job to do your research. It’s there. You don’t want to find it.
Are you stupid? This isnt how you convince people youre right, how do you know you arent just consuming fringe misinformation. And also, the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim, im going to assume you dont have a source
Whoa this guy’s badass.
He knows what’s really going on, and it just happens to always be opposite of whatever “the media” says.
Crazy but true. Keep being a follower. See how that works out for you.
Ooooh boy it must feel super special to have this secret knowledge that nobody else but you can seem to keep up with. Almost as if it’s bullshit.
Tell me, based my one reply to you, who am I following? Is anyone who disagrees with you automatically a “follower”? That would seem a little too convenient, no?
The fact is you’re a basic-ass, run of the mill contrarian. Most of us have learned how to deal with people like you in our real lives, but it’s always a little bit sad to see someone who clearly doesn’t have anyone in their life to tell them to shut the fuck up every now and then.
So here, I’ll do everyone a service: Shut the fuck up.
Lol no.
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Hopefully it’s on by default and works like the old pop-up-video messages over the video. It should play a sound every time one pops up and then a bubble popping sound when you click on it to close it.
This is just for training AI.
I miss when Youtube had community sourced subtitles and those little annotations on the video…
Time to scrape notes data for ai
That’s not going to go wrong at all.
Didn’t they take away crowd-sourced subtitles before?
Damn I miss those. Nowadays it’s really hard to find a video that’s in another language and has subtitles. The only subtitles you will find are the automatically-generated ones, which suck
They’re at least understandable (usually), but they’re like 5-10 seconds behind the video (sometimes longer), and they can be difficult to interpret at times.
They’re only about 90% accurate and usually that’s better than nothing, but sometimes the little bit that’s wrong is very confusing
Thanks bruh, if I had the patience to deal with ads maybe I’d watch YouTube.
lol, considering the “quality” content in the comments section it’s just going to be a continuation of that dumpster fire.
I would never go as far as to say that they’re “quality,” but I do think YT comment sections aren’t the complete shitshow that they were a decade or so ago. It really does depend on the channel though too.
This sounds like a great spot for scammers to flood for maximum visabilty. It’ll be too much effort to moderate, so creators will just disable them (if they can) or this will be shut down in about (checks YouTube’s history of dealling with scammers) 3.5 years.
I mean, if this is basically Twitter’s Community Notes feature, but for YouTube, I’m all for it. Bit of a balancing act, but it’s the last thing that hasn’t been completely wrecked now that Twitter became Xitter.
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Honestly never seen that happen.
Most times, I see it used on ads, political figures, and Elon himself.
Doesn’t the quagmire currently known as the website formerly known as Twitter already have this feature? Sounds like Y’tube is late to the party.
So more virtue signal crap. Got it.
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This guy is a dumbass lmao
You sound stupid when you don’t have independent thought. Maybe not here in this circle jerk but in the real world.
…Must have been the wind.
You are very angry about this
Amazing how often user’s notes disagree with your worldview isn’t it?
I wonder where the problem stems from. Could they all be wrong?
It’s amazing how your worldview lines up with what the media told you to say. Not a single independent thought.
Why do conservative “independent thoughts” always result in the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard?
Because some of the dumbest people in the world are the ones who told them to say it.
Who told you to say that? Seriously you obviously didn’t think it up yourself since everyone of you sounds the exact same, so who is it who owns you?
When conservative media pushes the same news script to over 200 local news stations across the nation, it is dangerous to our democracy.
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So we can explicitly graffiti videos but we can’t add translations. 🤯
Advertisers working in your native language cannot hijack your attention when foreign language videos are running. Subtitling facilitates that, and encourages site activity that differs from consumption, such as broadening one’s horizons and being inquisitive about the real world.