Vivaldi takes a stand: keep browsing human

Vivaldi takes a stand: keep browsing human (vivaldi.com)
from Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 22:23
https://programming.dev/post/36489076

cross-posted from: programming.dev/post/36488277

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Ulrich@feddit.org on 28 Aug 22:41 next collapse

tl;dr they’re not using AI for obvious reasons

We will not use an LLM to add a chatbot, a summarization solution or a suggestion engine to fill up forms for you, until more rigorous ways to do those things are available.

Vivaldi is the haven for people who still want to explore. We will continue building a browser for curious minds, power users, researchers, and anyone who values autonomy. If AI contributes to that goal without stealing intellectual property, compromising privacy or the open web, we will use it. If it turns people into passive consumers, we will not.

FailBetter@crust.piefed.social on 29 Aug 00:43 collapse

A position on AI says next to nothing about one's stance on humanity, right?

squaresinger@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 23:10 next collapse

Now I only need full ublock origin support on android and it’s golden.

Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 28 Aug 23:53 next collapse

You already can have that :) Ironfox (Firefox Librewolf-style android fork) is the easiest option (uBlock origin integrated), but you can also use the normal firefox browser with full extension support.

squaresinger@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 06:34 collapse

Firefox (and thus also the forks) is missing a couple features since the rewrite 5 years ago. The biggest one for me is lack of keyboard shortcuts.

Also it becomes painfully slow on some more complex websites and dark reader is not nearly as good as the dark mode in Vivaldi.

Because of that I only use FF on websites that don’t work on Vivaldi.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net on 29 Aug 14:53 collapse

lack of keyboard shortcuts

What keyboard shortcuts are missing from FF?

squaresinger@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 15:22 collapse

On Android? All of them. There are no keyboard shortcuts at all on FF for Android.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net on 29 Aug 15:48 collapse

How are you using a keyboard in a browser on Android? I didn’t use keyboard since BlackBerry KEY.

squaresinger@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 16:42 collapse

github.com/Dakkaron/Fairberry

Also, with the coming merger of ChromeOS and Android, there will suddenly be tons of Android users with keyboards.

Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 18:03 next collapse

Sounds like all you gotta do is wait then, since your hyper-niche scenario will become a lot less niche once that happens.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net on 29 Aug 18:34 collapse

You’re actually using one? I saw similar project (or this one) some time ago. I also found BB10 keyboards modified to just act as USB keyboard and even tried to buy one but the supply was very limited and they would be gone in a matter of hours. And I have zero experience with JLCPCBs. And all phones are so big now that attaching extra keyboard to them wouldn’t be that practical. I would kill for a modern N900 type phone.

squaresinger@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 19:03 collapse

Yeah, I developed that, and I’m daily-driving it since 2021. Wouldn’t want to go without one.

JLCPCB is really nice.

The phone does get long, but I got used to it quite quickly.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net on 29 Aug 19:12 collapse

Where did you get the keyboard? I had a Q10 (and Priv, and Key) but I’m an idiot and I always throw the phones away weeks before discovering their parts may still be useful.

Are you able to use it with a case?

squaresinger@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 21:38 collapse

Aliexpress. Spares are €3-6. Quality differs, so it’s a bit luck of the draw if you get a good one. But for that price I could just order a handful different ones and pick the best.

I printed a cut-off case that doesn’t cover the keyboard attachment part. I just took a random case 3D file for my phone from yeggi.com and cut the bottom part off in the slicer.

On an old phone I used before I printed the attachment big enough to wrap around the case I was using.

I hope you didn’t throw out the priv and key. In working order they are ~€150 each on ebay.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net on 29 Aug 22:01 collapse

Yeah, I have zero experience with 3D printing and all this so for me it’s always a too big of a project. Maybe one day I have a bit more time and can get to it

I hope you didn’t throw out the priv and key. In working order they are ~€150 each on ebay.

I did but all of them had some hardware issues. Still, if I knew I can use them for other projects I would just kept them in some box but I realized it after I got rid of them.

masterofn001@lemmy.ca on 29 Aug 02:49 collapse

You can add the block lists manually via Vivaldi’s built in blocker feature

github.com/uBlockOrigin/uAssets/tree/…/filters

squaresinger@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 06:36 collapse

Sadly that doesn’t work as good as ublock, especially for adblock blocker blocking.

There are some websites that just don’t work with that setup.

cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 00:52 next collapse

wish they would change to gecko though

tux0r@feddit.org on 29 Aug 10:00 collapse

Even Mozilla doesn’t really want Gecko anymore, that’s why they started Servo.

accideath@feddit.org on 29 Aug 11:11 next collapse

Can anybody tell me why no one uses webkit?

Kroko@feddit.online on 29 Aug 12:03 next collapse

There are some very minor browser that use webkit.

accideath@feddit.org on 29 Aug 16:07 collapse

I know. Gnome Web among others. But why isn’t there any more mainstream example? Why does everyone use blink?

lime@feddit.nu on 29 Aug 14:24 next collapse

safari?

accideath@feddit.org on 29 Aug 16:06 collapse

I mean third party and multi platform. And I know Gnome Web does. But why isn’t there a bigger, more mainstream browser that isn’t Safari, that does?

lime@feddit.nu on 29 Aug 17:07 collapse

i mean, looking at the history it makes sense that not many do anymore. webkit is apple’s fork of KHTML, the KDE project’s reimplementation of gecko, done because gecko is so goddamn hard to embed. once apple open sourced it, everyone started using it because, again, gecko is so hard to use. the biggest browser to use webkit quickly became chrome. then when chrome needed a different feature set than safari, they diverged and chrome’s webkit became blink. because every third-party browser wanted to be compatible with the largest browser, they also switched. vivaldi was one of the last to switch i think. brave came into being after the fork so they started on blink.

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Aug 17:11 collapse

IIRC it’s used by a few devices that aren’t really built for web browsing. I think the PlayStation browser, some smart TV browsers, and the Kindle browser all use WebKit? But none of those devices are really intended for browsing. They just sort of have the browser bolted onto the side as an “I guess if you REALLY need to use a browser and have no other alternatives” option.

MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip on 29 Aug 15:19 next collapse

I don’t keep up with any of this stuff, and so it just makes me think of memes like this:

victorz@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 20:10 collapse

jizz me on Smackdog

sent me 😂

theherk@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 16:10 next collapse

They also abandoned it. It has been picked up by the Linux Foundation though, which is exciting.

tux0r@feddit.org on 29 Aug 16:12 collapse

I have noticed that Mozilla has a long history of bad decisions. I wish that the Foundation wouldn’t just let it bit-rot though.

theherk@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 17:36 next collapse

They aren’t; it isn’t languishing at all. It is being actively developed. Check out the commit log.

tux0r@feddit.org on 29 Aug 18:12 next collapse

Oh! I stand corrected. Haven’t heard news about it in quite some time though. Thank you!

victorz@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 20:11 collapse

Does this mean Firefox will continue to reap the benefits?

3abas@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 23:25 collapse

One would hope so, as that’s one of the main pros of open source.

Kissaki@feddit.org on 29 Aug 19:05 collapse

Mozilla integrated parts of Servo and concluded it as a Mozilla project, passing governance to the Linux Foundation Europe. You call that letting it rot?

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 29 Aug 22:06 collapse

It worked for Mozilla, their namesake product, if accidentally. Seamonkey has been good to me.

Kissaki@feddit.org on 29 Aug 19:01 next collapse

What makes you say so?

They saw potential in Rust for safety and technical guarantees, and started the Servo project. Eventually, they integrated some things into Gecko, and then concluded the Servo project.

What makes you think they don’t want Gecko anymore? What makes you say they started Servo when it’s a partially integrated and, more importantly, a concluded project?

int32@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Aug 21:40 collapse

doesn’t servo get like zero funding now?

WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 21:53 collapse

they do at the linux foundation

hperrin@lemmy.ca on 29 Aug 03:49 next collapse

If AI contributes to that goal without stealing intellectual property, compromising privacy or the open web, we will use it. If it turns people into passive consumers, we will not.

So they didn’t really make a stand.

seralth@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 04:42 collapse

They are selling a product that’s just chrome with a fancy skin. The only stance they have is praising google and lying to it’s users claiming to be better

tux0r@feddit.org on 29 Aug 09:59 collapse

“Selling”?

Gemini24601@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 14:15 next collapse

Not open source, but apparently not fully closed source either: vivaldi.com/source/.

NotKyloRen@lemmy.zip on 29 Aug 19:19 collapse

Opera was bought by a Chinese firm years ago. I’m not saying to use it or not based solely on that; it’s just something to keep in mind. That being said, they do have some legitimately useful features, like being able to cap the amount of RAM used with a slider. But yeah, I remember the sale raising some eyebrows.

Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 21:43 next collapse

Vivaldi is separate from Opera, it’s devs who left Opera after it was purchased

NotKyloRen@lemmy.zip on 29 Aug 23:02 collapse

Thank you for the new knowledge; I thought this whole time that Opera was renamed Vivaldi after the sale. That explains my original comment.

muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 22:43 collapse

Correct but irrelevant. Vivaldi isnt part of opera at all. They have the old devs that left when opera sold. That’s it.

sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 23:13 next collapse

“Keep browsing, human!”

deathbird@mander.xyz on 30 Aug 00:42 collapse

NGL, Vivaldi is the best version of Chrome.