'Better than a real man': young Chinese women turn to AI boyfriends (techxplore.com)
from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 13 Feb 2024 18:00
https://lemmy.world/post/11915728

‘Better than a real man’: young Chinese women turn to AI boyfriends::Twenty-five-year-old Chinese office worker Tufei says her boyfriend has everything she could ask for in a romantic partner: he’s kind, empathetic, and sometimes they talk for hours.

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vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 13 Feb 2024 18:06 next collapse

TBF we haven’t set the bar particularly high.

TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 13 Feb 2024 18:15 collapse

Speak for yourself, I’m an absolute treasure.

SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de on 13 Feb 2024 18:34 collapse

old, buried underground and forgotten?

Unforeseen@sh.itjust.works on 13 Feb 2024 18:36 next collapse

<img alt="" src="https://media.tenor.com/ijhDqmBnCWIAAAAM/the-office.gif">

TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 13 Feb 2024 18:47 collapse

Hey, that’s hysterical, I’m gonna use that on my boyfriend real soon

njm1314@lemmy.world on 13 Feb 2024 18:25 next collapse

Fair

shortwavesurfer@monero.town on 13 Feb 2024 18:25 next collapse

From what I understand there is a shortage of women in China compared to men due to the one child policy and most parents wanting sons so that makes a bad problem even worse.

01011@monero.town on 13 Feb 2024 18:31 next collapse

If men did this they would be labeled pathetic…

Arcane_Trixster@lemm.ee on 13 Feb 2024 18:35 next collapse

We do and it is.

DudeDudenson@lemmings.world on 13 Feb 2024 18:36 next collapse

Men do this and a company straight up profited from it until they tried to go back to be sponsor friendly and gimped their AI personas service

01011@monero.town on 13 Feb 2024 18:38 collapse

Ashley Madison?

HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works on 13 Feb 2024 18:38 collapse

I’m guessing Replika.

TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world on 13 Feb 2024 19:57 next collapse

You’re 100% correct lol. Men who do this are roundly mocked and called sad creepy incels.

That said, the culture and dating scene for women in China is pretty awful. My ex was Chinese and had some awful dating stories, now she avoids dating Chinese men. Easy for her to do as she left china, but not everybody can/wants to.

We need to learn to be a little less mean to anybody who uses these apps. They’re likely doing it because they see little alternative, yet still want affection. Calling them losers, be they male or female, achieves nothing other than hurting them.

agent_flounder@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 00:35 collapse

Only thing it does is makes mean people feel better about themselves by punching down.

InfiniWheel@lemmy.one on 13 Feb 2024 20:20 collapse

Aren’t we already with this? I never see anyone going “You go queen!” over someone’s virtual bf

01011@monero.town on 15 Feb 2024 06:32 collapse

This is relatively novel, give it time…

I did see that response to “sologamy” articles - women marrying themselves.

HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works on 13 Feb 2024 18:39 next collapse

As a man all I can say is “fair enough”.

StraySojourner@lemmy.world on 13 Feb 2024 18:45 collapse

Just end us already

ItsAFake@lemmus.org on 14 Feb 2024 08:29 collapse

Line forms behind me.

1984@lemmy.today on 13 Feb 2024 20:34 next collapse

Talk for hours with an Ai? No thanks, sounds like torture… Unless you count problem solving with code discussions…

tsonfeir@lemm.ee on 13 Feb 2024 20:46 next collapse

If all you want is attention and you’re not willing to reciprocate, then yeah, maybe computer is your best hope.

maynarkh@feddit.nl on 13 Feb 2024 23:24 collapse

Maybe it’s more like not able rather than not willing. As someone in a happy relationship that can’t imagine my life without it, relationships are hard, and modern life is hard.

I mean, may they be happy. If they are not ready or able to commit to a relationship, but they need comfort in our increasingly lonely world, this may be a band-aid. A good solution would be to find out why people are lonely in the first place, and address it.

tsonfeir@lemm.ee on 14 Feb 2024 00:53 collapse

Is it loneliness or is it selfishness? They could get conversation online. This is a specific kind of “all about you” experience.

I’m not really arguing against it. If a person is happier having those emotions generated by a computer, good for them.

It’s kind of like porn, or a romance novel. Sometimes fiction is better than reality.

bionicjoey@lemmy.ca on 14 Feb 2024 01:14 next collapse

This was literally a joke in 30 Rock: Pay per view “porn for women” where it was literally just a hot guy saying into the camera “Tell me how your day was”, “I think you were right”, and “Well it’s his loss”

tsonfeir@lemm.ee on 14 Feb 2024 06:40 next collapse

I love Tina Fey

HelloHotel@lemm.ee on 14 Feb 2024 18:51 collapse

Thats literally the plot of Video Girl AI (its old and dont know if “AI” is ment to be understood as an acronym or a pronoun or both as a pun.)

maynarkh@feddit.nl on 14 Feb 2024 13:11 collapse

Sometimes a relationship has to be all about one of you, it is two people leaning on each other. The thing is, I can see how it might be hard to find someone to lean on if you are not stable enough yourself for someone else to do the same.

If anything, I’d say this is the opposite of selfish. Rather than going into a relationship just to satisfy your needs without being able to satisfy the other’s, you get to take care of yourself a little.

I’m not a psychologist though, and I don’t know how this affects someone long term.

dopeshark@lemmy.world on 13 Feb 2024 21:03 next collapse

Saddest comment section below, damn

Mango@lemmy.world on 13 Feb 2024 22:09 next collapse

Everyone wants the fiction. Nobody wants someone else’s problems.

randon31415@lemmy.world on 13 Feb 2024 23:24 next collapse

Sounds like what they actually want in a man is a therapist.

DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe on 14 Feb 2024 03:13 next collapse

A savvy young man might take note that “listening” is a desired trait in boyfriends.

rottingleaf@lemmy.zip on 14 Feb 2024 05:56 next collapse

I hope you don’t think it’s sarcasm, because it’s true for many lonely people. They need a therapist first. Yep, one they can feel something romantic for, that seemingly happens very often, just have to know some boundaries which don’t exist in an equal two-sided normal relationship.

bionicjoey@lemmy.ca on 14 Feb 2024 12:41 collapse

What’s interesting is that the first chatbot software ever invented was used as a form of therapy. All it did was detect key words in the previous sentence and say “tell me more about how X makes you feel”

More info (great podcast)

Nima@leminal.space on 14 Feb 2024 01:15 next collapse

if she’s happy, I don’t see the issue. She’s not hurting anybody and seems to have a good grasp of the situation. She’s aware it’s not real, and still participates.

morrowind@lemmy.ml on 14 Feb 2024 03:55 next collapse

Would you say the same for young men using AI girlfriend apps?

rottingleaf@lemmy.zip on 14 Feb 2024 06:02 next collapse

These are actually two parts of the same positive feedback loop.

Young men satisfy (in emotional sense) themselves with chatbots, lose ability to communicate with young women, thus young women see fewer young men they can communicate with, turn to chatbots, thus young men see fewer young women able to communicate and so on.

I would even say that this in some sense started with young women, not because I’m an incel or something, just drowning themselves in all kinds of romantic fan fiction etc is something girls apparently do more. And even romantic chatbots are not necessarily more accessible\understandable for young men, - despite all the social legacy girls can be quite tech-savvy when they want to find, say, some anime series. My sister unironically could understand some Chinese text because it was easier to find something on some Chinese sites (I’m not mixing up China and Japan here and the series were Japanese), she’d also have plenty of scary Chinese-style Chinese-language software installed under her user.

Why did I type this last paragraph, I wonder.

HelloHotel@lemm.ee on 14 Feb 2024 18:44 collapse

Owch… as someone trying to escape that cycle, I know at least the courser details, the finer details are new to me.

Nima@leminal.space on 14 Feb 2024 16:14 collapse

of course I would. why wouldn’t I?

Virulent@reddthat.com on 14 Feb 2024 13:41 collapse

The issue is that society is so atomizing and broken people are turning to chatbots for affection

Nima@leminal.space on 14 Feb 2024 16:17 collapse

it varies from person to person. she seems to be aware it’s not real. she’s not lying to herself. she’s just enjoying it.

[deleted] on 14 Feb 2024 02:37 next collapse

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werefreeatlast@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 04:11 next collapse

Better than being “leftover”. Now they are virtually married.

It’s not too bad if the guy can actually make money driving Uber or something.

askat@programming.dev on 14 Feb 2024 06:14 next collapse

It’s like Joi from Blade Runner 2049.

bionicjoey@lemmy.ca on 14 Feb 2024 12:39 next collapse

Joi could phase into a hooker so you could fuck her. We’re not there… yet

iquanyin@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 02:41 collapse

we are, if you’re rich enough, or so i’ve read…

Syntha@sh.itjust.works on 14 Feb 2024 14:04 collapse

You look lonely. I can fix that.

JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee on 14 Feb 2024 08:33 next collapse

That’s just a friend, then. I would think a boyfriend would be a friend you could be physically affectionate to, which obviously you can’t with a chatbot. I’m not against people having virtual friends, I just don’t see why it’s a boyfriend.

activ8r@sh.itjust.works on 14 Feb 2024 13:04 next collapse

Depends on their style of emotional investment I guess. Not all romantic relationships are sexual, so physical intimacy isn’t necessarily required. So it reasonably could be the same emotional attachment to the AI as it would be for a real person. Whether or not that is healthy is an entirely different topic, but having a virtual boyfriend is very possible.

EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 15:03 collapse

I’m not an asexual so my opinion here might have little value but I would imagine asexuals might still enjoy physical intimacy that is non-sexual in nature. Do they not need things like holding hands, hugging, kissing, sitting close to one another either? Even non-touch love language types like acts of service would be impossible for an ai.

iquanyin@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 02:40 collapse

i am on the ace spectrum and for me, yes, i want those things. and i will have sex too, but generally i’d rather do other things. i’ve never experienced lust for anyone in my life, but i have two grown children and miss cuddling now that im single again.

indistincthobby@lemmynsfw.com on 14 Feb 2024 13:22 next collapse

What about long distance relationships?

TheRealKuni@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 13:47 collapse

“Long distance is the wrong distance!”

-Liz Lemon, relationship expert

iquanyin@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 02:37 collapse

same. it’s just clickbait adjacent wording to catch eyeballs for fun and profit.

Treczoks@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 09:17 next collapse

If an AI friend is “better” than a normal friend, it looks like something in the social environment is seriously broken.

bruhduh@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 14:41 next collapse

people love to abuse each other, and those who wish to live peaceful life become more distanced from social environment, my grandma said back in the day that “in her times there were no abuse and crime” i was like, yeah right, there wasn’t internet back then where people could refugee to, so everyone has only one choice, and that’s to be silent and endure

dukk@programming.dev on 14 Feb 2024 19:38 collapse

I mean, it will be. The AI friend is always available, always knows what to say, never fights with you, and never messes up (ideally).

However, all those things are part of the human element: and at the end, you’re still talking to a computer. The AIs are just trying to please you. A person can actually love you, and that’s something else. And I’d take that over the perfect chatbot any day.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 21:47 next collapse

The AI friend is always available, always knows what to say, never fights with you, and never messes up (ideally).

And isn’t that what people really want in a relationship? A perfect, frictionless yes-person trained to parrot whatever you wanted to hear six weeks ago.

The AIs are just trying to please you.

Its a bit worse than that. Monetized social media is designed to provoke engagement. So the AI isn’t trying to please you, its trying to maximize your utilization. That means establishing a clingy, desperate, attention seeking (ie, toxic) relationship that keeps you looking at your phone for as long as possible.

Its pleasurable in the same way a heroin addiction is pleasurable.

iquanyin@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 02:36 collapse

our brains didn’t evolve to need total compliance and total agreement from relating, tho. it’s more a sign of problems with society and too much isolation.

ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 13:04 next collapse

Gentlemen, we have been summoned.

HelloHotel@lemm.ee on 14 Feb 2024 18:17 next collapse

I love AI systems, I love chatbots, but… If a doll is the outline of what a person is phisically, a chatbot is the outline of what a person is mentially and emotionally. With dolls, charicters, or any vessil of the same nature, people need to pick up and enguage with the entity and donate a part of themselves for it to have any life at all. I may just be describing “creativity”. These new systems… they automate that task… but they lack somthing… (almost always when the creativity knob is turned down) its like the machine is “going through the motions”, especially when it messes up.

The only other thing about these systems, I dont trust them! “Unaligned” and its inhuman acting and will always follow its barest instincts of “what comes next?”. “Aligned” means someone taught it ethics that you and even they dont fully understand. By running it on their servers, they are in a position where they can just brainwash the AI (your GF/BF) into beleaving or saying anything. Basically being a puppet. (See the replica sexting scandle)

I dont know what I would rather see with more passion, AI so good and independant it becomes a a race of artifitial beings, or people to be cat peace in the company of others, themselves, their tulpas and their AI systems.

ogmios@sh.itjust.works on 14 Feb 2024 19:12 next collapse

Things like this make me wonder if the uncanny valley exists because we’ve previously developed computer technology in the past, and it destroyed civilization, taking with it everyone who couldn’t easily distinguish between humans and AI.

AppaYipYip@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 20:49 next collapse

I like to think uncanny valley exists because of other homo species we would have interacted with in pre-history. Obviously this is just a fun theory since we have evidence of mixing.

Wogi@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 03:05 next collapse

After a cursory glance I found a paper that suggests the effect might predate humans. Or at least that humans are experiencing the effect even when the faces are off other primates. They suggest it’s selection pressure but personally I believe that we were hunted by a super race of ape like aliens for sport at some point in our evolutionary background. Which lead directly to developing communication and higher intelligence

FooBarrington@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 08:57 next collapse

The simple explanation I’ve heard is that the uncanny valley protects us from diseases etc. by making us stay away from very sick or dead people. A bloated corpse is still human, so you need some part of your head to say “stay away from that thing”.

oatscoop@midwest.social on 15 Feb 2024 09:31 collapse

Or genetic defects.

“Something about that person is extremely off-putting. I do believe I’m not going have sex with them.”

oatscoop@midwest.social on 15 Feb 2024 09:34 collapse

Some of the modern recreations of neanderthals look like people I’ve seen in bars.

On a cold night after a few handfuls of fermented berries … I probably would too.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 21:44 next collapse

These headlines are more often just native ads for the apps being reported on. Don’t lose sleep over an eyeball-grabbing “techxplore.com” article based on a handful of testimonials from alpha users.

ogmios@sh.itjust.works on 14 Feb 2024 22:51 collapse

It’s hardly an idea that I only just formed from a headline. It’s something I’ve been thinking about for a long time, which only seems to collect more support as time goes on. One of the most prominent events I can recall was when TwitchCon built a foam pit for people to jump into, with a single layer of foam blocks over solid concrete, then even after a girl broke her back in it they still kept going. Computers are doing something very weird to people’s brains.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 23:34 next collapse

You can find young people ready to do silly reckless shit easily enough. But that’s one reason why shit like OSHA exists. But instead of San Diego DAs and safety regulators wading into the mess, what we saw was a bunch of Silicon Valley lawyers waving boilerplate release forms in an effort to obscure their own liability.

That’s a bit separate from a Computers issue. Its more a bullshit legalese issue that’s designed to keep working stiffs marginalized while tech companies do as they please.

iquanyin@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 02:32 collapse

not any dumber than things i’ve seen my whole 60 years, tbh. i do think everything we experience affects our brains, for sure. it’s what brains do, they respond to their environment. but not in lockstep. different brains react to the same things i varied ways.

Numberone@startrek.website on 14 Feb 2024 22:58 next collapse

🤯

Dra@lemmy.zip on 14 Feb 2024 23:34 collapse

Awesome plot basis

Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world on 14 Feb 2024 20:03 next collapse

Sounds like Chinese demographics are going to only get worse…

HelloHotel@lemm.ee on 15 Feb 2024 01:03 collapse

Why are you being downvoted? I have no context

Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 01:09 collapse

No idea, I’m only pointing out the obvious.

chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 14 Feb 2024 20:21 next collapse

Yes I am real man want to go skateboards?

iquanyin@lemmy.world on 15 Feb 2024 02:30 next collapse

or one woman, anyway.

NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone on 15 Feb 2024 10:10 next collapse

Damn, is Jordan S Peterson dubbed into Chinese then?

ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk on 15 Feb 2024 10:21 collapse

Seems like social dynamics need a shakeup if, at a population level, men are not offering any qualities that women actually want.