Moderators Across Social Media Struggle to Contain Celebrations of UnitedHealthcare CEO’s Assassination (www.404media.co)
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db2@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 16:50 next collapse

Something something and I’m tired of pretending it isn’t, etc. The only thing I feel bad about is if he has had young children who couldn’t understand he was a waste of skin, they have my sympathy.

apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:05 next collapse

Feel worse for the millions of children that are parentless due to his policy decisions. His kids will be FINE.

TheTechnician27@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:11 next collapse

I would honestly go so far as to suggest that in the long term, not having this monster raise them (given they’ll still have plenty of money) probably leaves them better off.

zbyte64@awful.systems on 06 Dec 2024 17:24 next collapse

These execs are scared their own children will ask them to explain what they do for a living. Doubt they raise their kids as much as they pay someone else to do it. That being said, Elmo’s kids are stuck on a compound. That’s definitely going to mess them up.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:29 next collapse

His kids are gonna be worse 20-40milliom per head.

They will be fine. I doubt they will ever understand why entire society turned on their parasite shitstain father.

Ledivin@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:07 collapse

Money doesn’t fix trauma, and childhood trauma is rarely fully healed. The kids did nothing wrong, and you should feel bad for them.

apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:32 next collapse

Like I said, my feelings are focused on those he harmed. Eat the fucking rich.

Cypher@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 22:36 collapse

I feel bad they had a monster for a father.

Drusas@fedia.io on 06 Dec 2024 20:47 collapse

They're already teenagers. The damage has been done, but hopefully this act will help them decide not to follow in their father's footsteps.

HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com on 06 Dec 2024 17:13 next collapse

yeah alls his theoretical kids would have is millions of dollars, the best education, a lavish lifestyle, trust funds, but they would not have their asshole dad.

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 06 Dec 2024 17:26 collapse

They aren’t theoretical, he did have children.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:46 next collapse

So do many people who have their claims denied....

iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works on 06 Dec 2024 18:26 next collapse

I didn’t dispute that?

Zangoose@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:31 next collapse

You can feel bad for his family while also not feeling bad about his death. Losing a loved one is hard regardless of how much money you have. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t ultimately a net positive (although I’m doubtful that UH will actually change any policies because of this)

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 18:40 next collapse

Don't the crime if you can't do the time?

That's the life his father chose for them.

moody@lemmings.world on 06 Dec 2024 20:08 collapse

I feel bad for his kids. They didn’t choose their parents.

His wife on the other hand did choose him, so fuck her too.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 21:01 next collapse

Aren't they already seperated?

So she is about to paid out big time with blood money he stole...

Yeah real peach

tabular@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:18 collapse

He and this wife didn’t choose their parents either (and any other contributing factors in their environment that made them who they are). Growing older doesn’t change the causes of the development of their brain, the cause of the choices you make, and if we could have saved them from becoming the person they did then we should.

With even the most evil people we can be sad they died but also happy they can’t do more evil. Uday Hussein, son of Saddam Hussein did some evil stuff and and if we could have prevented him from becoming the person he did when at age 8 or at age 18 then it’s the same.

OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca on 06 Dec 2024 20:13 next collapse

Some of those who had claims denied are children.

Zangoose@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:34 collapse

It isn’t impossible to feel bad for both?

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 21:57 collapse

It is about priorities...

Zangoose@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 22:50 collapse

What priorities are there? I’m talking about emotions, not actions.

You can feel bad for both the children of this guy that will now grow up without a father and the millions of people he harmed at the same time. I’m not even saying I feel equally as bad for his children as his victims’ children (because losing a parent to a preventable death due to insurance is objectively a worse situation). All I’m saying is it’s reasonable to feel sympathy for both. It’s not like the kids had a choice in what their dad did.

HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com on 06 Dec 2024 19:34 collapse

Well I did not know so until this moment for me it was theoretical. It does not matter but now I know.

Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:52 next collapse

Don’t forget the children whose siblings died due to insurance fuckery, and the parents who’ve lost children.

uberdroog@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 19:43 collapse

Crying from the 3rd floor of their yacht…

_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Dec 2024 19:18 collapse

His kids have been profiting off of the death he had a hand in. They’ll be just fine in their ivory towers, whatever happens.

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 17:06 next collapse

This guy was willing to do it for free. Imagine if there was a bounty.

DemBoSain@midwest.social on 06 Dec 2024 17:15 next collapse

Does he have a Patreon?

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:27 next collapse

Don't get scammed but if he ever needs a legal defense fund, I think the plebs can figure it out.

He did job well, least we can do it pay respects

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 17:28 collapse

Even if he did, any funds would be frozen. A Monero Address would be a better way of receiving money.

Edit: Mind you, I expect him to very soon be arrested, so he wouldn’t really have any time to enjoy it.

Edit 2: Look up Jim Bell. He wrote a very popular essay in the 90s.

nomous@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 19:47 next collapse

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell

Interesting guy.

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 19:59 collapse

Indeed he is. Did you read the SI?

nomous@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:03 collapse

SI?

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 07 Dec 2024 05:56 collapse

Essay, sorry

daddy32@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:07 collapse

Edit 2: Look up Jim Bell. He wrote a very popular essay in the 90s.

This is one of the things that scares me about most about completely anonymous currencies and networks: untraceable kill orders and, to a lesser extent, unlimited bribery (that already exists in US). Because you know, it opens the most possibilities to people with money. Like billionaires.

Grimy@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:26 next collapse

We need a black market gofundme so we can crowd source hits to keep up.

daddy32@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 22:08 collapse

I’m not sure we would outweigh them - you know the statistics, almost half the wealth (potential kill orders) is held by top 1.1%.

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 07 Dec 2024 07:18 collapse

I suspect billionaires and other people of high authority, especially, would be the first ones on the list. But your average everyday person is very unlikely to be on the list because they don’t have enough people who hate them.

grue@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:28 next collapse

TBF, we don’t know that. Might’ve been a paid hitman.

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 17:48 next collapse

According to the media, he made a lot of very amateur mistakes if that’s the case. Like leaving a water bottle and granola bar wrappers and being filmed on camera at a Starbucks.

[deleted] on 06 Dec 2024 18:00 next collapse

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FauxPseudo@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 04:15 collapse

His DNA doesn’t need to be in any system. These days there are professionals that take DNA results and comb through the databases to find close relatives that are in the system. It’s how they caught the BTK Killer.

Starrifier@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 08 Dec 2024 17:41 collapse

I think you’re thinking of the Golden State Killer (among many others). BTK was caught through digital forensics, not forensic genealogy.

FauxPseudo@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 18:18 collapse
Ledivin@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:05 collapse

Has the Starbucks guy actually been confirmed as the same person? It looked like clearly a different jacket and backpack, I assumed that was either an accomplice or just an unfortunate lookalike, but I suppose he could have changed or it could just be odd lighting tricks.

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 18:17 collapse

No, not that I’m aware of.

TipRing@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:54 collapse

The professional killer was the one who died.

Josey_Wales@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:33 next collapse

Does he have an OnlyFans?

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 17:47 collapse

Anything sent like that would be frozen. Monero would be the better option.

ininewcrow@lemmy.ca on 06 Dec 2024 17:37 next collapse

When society gets to the point where you will die if you don’t do anything … or you will die if you do something …

Eventually people realize that they will be punished, threatened or endangered no matter what they do or don’t do, some people will come to the conclusion that they would rather go down fighting.

If you’re going to get screwed doing nothing, some would rather go out on a blaze of glory because they no longer have anything to lose.

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 17:46 next collapse

I am assuming that when this guy is caught, what we will find out is that his wife had cancer and died from it and they refused to honor their claims or something like that.

Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:51 next collapse

Hopefully it doesn’t come to that, and he just never gets caught.

If he does, it’s gonna be one hell of a gofundme campaign for his defense.

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 18:57 next collapse

Except the government will probably make GoFundMe freeze the funds for the campaign.

Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:59 collapse

It’s a legal defense fund, not a bounty reward.

Granted, they’d probably still do so anyways.

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 19:06 collapse

Oh, I’m almost certain that they would primarily because they would not want him having money to fight a legal battle.

Grimy@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:25 collapse

He won’t be paying for it in either case, someone will pick this up pro-bono.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 21:28 next collapse

Yes and that person will be under a lot of duress to play along on a show trial.

This is a class war

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 22:21 collapse

Good point

underisk@lemmy.ml on 06 Dec 2024 22:25 collapse

if this dude gets found he won’t make it to trial.

Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 23:02 next collapse

It’s been 3 days, and the chances of them finding him go down with every day.

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 09:01 collapse

If I was him id be in the Appalachians camping by now with no internet or cell connected devices. Id just wait a month or two and move all of my shit out of new york, mind you he may not even be a New Yorker he could be Californian for all we know.

WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 16:11 collapse

I legit think the state/oligarchy will kill him silently. Taking it to trial and giving this guy a voice could make things so much worse for them. They’re afraid of creating a robin hood, and class solidarity; of giving the working class a hero and cause to rally around.

They’re so close to creating a robot army that can suppress the masses. They just have to bide their time until revolution is impossible.

Syrc@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 05:23 collapse

I legit think the state/oligarchy will kill him silently.

Wouldn’t that backfire though?

Won’t more people start thinking “So this guy killed a really important CEO and apparently never got caught nor faced repercussions… you know what…”

Drusas@fedia.io on 06 Dec 2024 20:43 next collapse

Dealing with insurance with a nonfatal chronic illness can also be infuriating. You have to keep fighting the same battle over and over and over again.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 07 Dec 2024 13:32 collapse

Or perhaps himself dying of a treatable disease they refused to pay for. He’ll be a hero either way, the question is how much.

pdxfed@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 01:37 collapse

Falling Down was in my head this week. The number of people in the US that are close to it is so high, it’s barely fringe. Ironically Trump might just trigger a revolution when he tries to clamp down.

boogiebored@lemmy.world on 11 Dec 2024 11:45 collapse

Can we crowdfund this, and provide a crypto bounty as reward for targets, including politicians, in the same way there was a reward for information on the shooter?

This would be to let those who step out of line know how much disdain there is for any of them in particular at any given moment, and the rewards can be split as needed.

The proletariat needs alternative systems of leverage.

This is for my Purge sequel screenplay, of course. One can dream.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell

shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip on 11 Dec 2024 11:57 collapse

Jim bell ftw

fl42v@lemmy.ml on 06 Dec 2024 17:07 next collapse

Who would’ve guessed reddit mods couldn’t grow a pair even if presented with a ball-growing pill

skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de on 06 Dec 2024 17:17 collapse

In fact, a moderator from a subreddit we hadn’t reached out to for comment reached out because they heard we were contacting moderators to speak about this. They said every instance they were aware of of the surveillance video of Thompson’s death being removed had not been moderators—who, as a reminder, are unpaid volunteers—but Reddit’s paid administrator team that enforces the sitewide terms of use.

fl42v@lemmy.ml on 06 Dec 2024 20:28 collapse

Sure, I’ve read both that and r/nursing parts; but I’m talking about those volunteers who do remove that stuff. I mean, yeah, promoting violence bad, and so on, but maybe the twatwaffles who refuse to build a proper universal healthcare system need to see that ppl support the shooter, and not the attempts of the community to censor itself?

Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de on 06 Dec 2024 17:09 next collapse

I’m not celebrating, I just think we should have a massive “Enjoy hell, Brian” wake, on the scale of Boston after the Red Sox won the world series for the first time in 80-something years. But nationwide.

jabathekek@sopuli.xyz on 06 Dec 2024 18:16 collapse

Kind of like being anywhere in Scotland when Margaret Thatcher died.

bizarroland@fedia.io on 06 Dec 2024 17:10 next collapse

My only concern is that I hope this doesn't become an Archduke Ferdinand for an American Civil War part 2.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:13 next collapse

If that’s the case then it will just be the class war heating up because one side finally started fighting back.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:17 collapse

So few of them, so many of us

skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de on 06 Dec 2024 17:16 next collapse

united healthcare? how many divisions do they have?

pivot_root@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 20:43 collapse

They united the people against them. That’s living up to half the name, I guess.

MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:17 next collapse

But how…? Are Magas sad/angry that this happened? Most likely it’s the opposite. This is a poor/middle-class vs rich/ultra-wealthy scenario. I guess unless Fox tells/tricks them to be angry and blame liberals, but I’m sure plenty of them are not upset about this. I see it as “the enemy of my enemy” type deal.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:25 next collapse

This is the most united America has been since 911

gsfraley@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:08 collapse

Yeah, even the MAGA people I know are like “aight, cool”

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 06 Dec 2024 19:21 collapse

Until Fox News tells them otherwise.

FaceDeer@fedia.io on 06 Dec 2024 18:45 collapse

Is it really a civil war when 99% of the people are on one side?

frostysauce@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 23:56 next collapse

I think you’re underestimating the amount of “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” out there.

Wahots@pawb.social on 07 Dec 2024 03:15 collapse

Over half the country voted for trump, the man who will make everything worse and who appeals to people’s most base instincts. Some of the worst mass shootings were under Trump.

I don’t think violence will necessarily be contained to Democrats and old style Republicans. The new right likes corruption, which includes POS health insurance companies.

HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com on 06 Dec 2024 17:12 next collapse

unsuccessfully.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:12 next collapse

It’s one thing to mock it on pseudonymous platforms like Reddit and the fediverse.

It’s another to do it somewhere linked to your real name and job like LinkedIn.

People really hate insurance companies.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:17 next collapse

Don't do it under your names folks, regime will be making lists based on this.

They are scared and they will lash out.

With that being said, fuck that parasite.

FAFO

TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:41 next collapse

You think having a fake online name will stop them from finding out who you are? Did you even pay attention to the Snowden leaks?

paraphrand@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:05 next collapse

No, they said we already knew about that and didn’t give it another thought.

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Dec 2024 18:13 next collapse

Make them spend more resources doing deanonymizations. First they have to get the IP from instance admins, then trace the tor routing, then the VPN that I use, then ask for my ISP. Make them do all that work.

(Or maybe they already have access by simply activating their backdoors within Intel ME, AMD PSP, and whatever baseband backdoor on the phones they have, and have just gotten everyone’s real identities in an instant, we can’t know for sure.)

pennomi@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:19 collapse

They also have backdoors in most implementations of TLS, according to a person I know who worked government security.

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Dec 2024 18:24 next collapse

It wouldn’t be impossible. There are like so many different certificate issuers, any one of them collaborating with a government would allow them to create a certificate that would be accepted by your browser.

Hawke@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 19:24 next collapse

Still takes more work than just giving them that information.

AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 23:58 collapse

I work in cryptography, and I guarantee if that’s true “some person you know who worked in government security” would not tell you if they did know, or they are pulling shit out of their ass. There have been so many people that have looked at or worked on SSL/TLS implementations (including some of my coworkers), any vulnerabilities would have to be pretty subtle or clever, and that would be kept highly classified. Quit making shit up or repeating bullshit you heard.

pennomi@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 00:55 collapse

Sure, if we’re talking about code vulnerabilities only. It’s most likely a compromised root cert though.

AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 02:41 collapse

That just would allow a malicious attacker to fake being the server, it doesn’t actually compromise the TLS session. So you are talking about a much more sophisticated multi stage attack that needs to be actively executed. This wouldn’t at all allow them to record traffic and decrypt later.

The certs authenticate that you are talking to the real server, the symmetric session keys that are usually derived from a diffie helman key exchange have nothing to do with certs. That’s two separate (but connected) parts of the transaction to build a TLS session.

pennomi@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 03:30 collapse

Right, this would be a MitM vulnerability, which could be reasonably viable for targeted attacks.

user224@lemmy.sdf.org on 06 Dec 2024 19:18 collapse

It is almost never a question of whether it’s possible or not. You WILL make a mistake. It’s just a question of how much effort you’re worth as an individual.

granolabar@kbin.melroy.org on 06 Dec 2024 20:52 collapse

right, don't make it easy for them. plus they got prolly got half a country to put on the list now.

Excrubulent@slrpnk.net on 07 Dec 2024 00:12 collapse

When everyone is on the list, noone is.

Ledivin@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:03 next collapse

lol @ thinking reddit is anonymous

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 18:39 collapse

i was talking about people commenting on linkedin actually...

nor did I suggest reddit is anon, but aint you aint got provide your full name and address.

rockSlayer@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:19 next collapse

They already have lists. The only hope we have is to stand together in solidarity as the working class against the billionaire capitalists entering power.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 07 Dec 2024 07:16 collapse

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[deleted] on 06 Dec 2024 20:04 next collapse

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wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 20:44 collapse

Help, I’m now physically inside my system, but it’s kinda hard to read the screen at this angle. Plus I’ve got to reach out for keyboard input…

yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Dec 2024 02:33 collapse

No you don’t??

Just use an on-screen keyboard smh

5in1k@lemm.ee on 08 Dec 2024 12:50 collapse

Yeah if they fuck with me they will find for sure.

NotBillMurray@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:33 next collapse

LinkedIn is one of the least sane social media sites I’ve ever had the displeasure of using. Under all the marketing BS and obviously fake feel good stories lie takes that would make your insane Facebook uncle blush.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:37 collapse

I used to work for a big data company that tracked shares to various social networks and the frequency with which people share porn to LinkedIn was remarkably high.

CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Dec 2024 18:17 next collapse

What?! How?! So I can learn to avoid it!

TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz on 06 Dec 2024 23:01 collapse

Maybe it was only-secretaries dot com.

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 01:38 collapse

I need a direct link to be sure

Kyrgizion@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 00:21 collapse

People are too hung up about anonimity on the internet. When one of my country’s worst journalistic shitrags mandated a real name policy due to the rampant racism and other -isms in the comment section of their articles… nothing changed. People are happily spewing the same vile rethoric as before and proud to, instead of being shamed into silence.

Windex007@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:14 next collapse

Why the fuck would the moderators care about how much work it is to remove the posts.

TVA@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:16 next collapse

One of the mods said (in the article) that to their knowledge it's mostly the paid admins removing it not the unpaid moderators.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:22 next collapse

Regime whores doing regime's bidding

Windex007@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 17:30 collapse

The quote I was referencing is this:

“People - Please don’t make the life of your mods a living hell. Anything that is celebrating violence is going to get taken down - if not from us, then from reddit. I think all the mods understand that there is a high level of frustration and antipathy towards insurance and insurance execs, but we also understand that murdering people in the streets is not good. We are a public group of medical professionals, we still need to act like that.”

The line about making their lives a living hell?

If you ever feel the need to type that in reference to your volunteer Reddit moderation… Stand up, go outside.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:40 next collapse

we also understand that murdering people in the streets is not good.

Cute of yout to assume plebs think of this guy as a human...

I am not sure about others bit I see a high ranking officer within corpo regime got taken out.

Do we cry when cartel members gets wacked?

Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz on 06 Dec 2024 18:34 collapse

If someone is directly responsible for the deaths of millions of people and the courts hold the position that corporate profits outweigh human life, then yeah eventually someone is going to take matters into their own hands. The real question is, will this become a trend? For example, would anyone really be upset if all the would-be school shooters look at this as an example of how their frustrations could be used to make a real difference in the world? Imagine if CEOs were suddenly afraid of real-world consequences when their greed hurts people?

piecat@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 19:26 next collapse

Imagine letting an unpaid position on social media “make life hell”

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 19:47 collapse

Well, first of all fuck reddit, but secondly: if you appreciate actual human moderation in any significant sense - it’s hard work.

Getting paid to do it is rare (again - fuck reddit, they should get off of there) but on any site that’s actually trying to honestly build or host a community it takes time to check the reports, message the people, log the entry all that shit. It’s a huge pain in the ass when something blows up, which is why neither you or I will likely ever be mods. When it’s the scale of reddit it’s bound to be a lot of scrambling until shit cools off again.

Windex007@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:19 collapse

To be honest, I actually don’t really appreciate human moderation, so that’s probably biasing my position.

I can block communities. I can block users. I can set word filters.

If I block someone, I never have to hear from them again. If a moderator does, they’ll be back with a new account, and then I DO have to hear from them.

I’d far prefer a “federated” and crowdsourced mechanism to layer onto an extremely lightly moderated foundational layer.

If someone, or someones, want to curate a filter list that aligns with my sensibilities, awesome, I’ll opt in. I’ll contribute. If I bump into unresolvable issues with other filter curators I’ll fork the filter.

I don’t need or want a tiny subset of users working full time for free getting burnt out or going on power trip crusades.

Fermion@feddit.nl on 07 Dec 2024 03:03 collapse

If the admins feel like mods aren’t doing enough to keep a sub within reddits guidelines, they may remove mods or even ban the subreddit entirely.

lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:16 next collapse

Mods should be joining in on the celebration instead, in particular unpaid / community ones like Reddi’s.

Aatube@kbin.melroy.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:47 collapse
zbyte64@awful.systems on 06 Dec 2024 17:21 next collapse

News@lemmy.world deleted a spicy post from a couple days ago. The fediverse isn’t immune but it definitely fares better.

skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de on 06 Dec 2024 18:10 next collapse

LW is worst at this, they also banned piracy community early on

curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Dec 2024 20:15 collapse

Because they did not, and still dont, know the laws associated. And rather than actually consult a lawyer, they became armchair experts.

I am not surprised by the LW mods. Its expected.

granolabar@kbin.melroy.org on 06 Dec 2024 20:51 next collapse

I am pretty sure .world is paid by the people connected to media/politcal establishment hence why we get a lot of modding similar to reddit.

Although, reddit lost control of asylum, i never seen so much raw hate.

solrize@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 22:27 collapse

They banned talking about the wrong kind of cat food, for Pete’s sake. I’m still not over that one.

frostysauce@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 23:55 collapse

And I’ll proudly wear my ban from there.

zbyte64@awful.systems on 06 Dec 2024 17:25 next collapse

Shareholders can’t stop talking about this one trick to make their stocks go up.

Milksteaks@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 06:29 collapse

UHC cuts costs by $13 million, find out why CEOs hate this one simple trick

nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Dec 2024 17:30 next collapse

The shot heard round the boardroom

chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz on 06 Dec 2024 18:01 collapse

Plural. Hopefully.

zbyte64@awful.systems on 06 Dec 2024 19:52 collapse

But that might actually solve climate change

granolabar@kbin.melroy.org on 06 Dec 2024 20:49 collapse

oil execs don't even pretend to be one of us... they roll around with full security detail...

ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net on 06 Dec 2024 17:33 next collapse

He didn’t really get “assassinated”. He just got denied his critical-life benefits.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 17:38 next collapse

Exactly... Don't humaniE this parasite. Give him that corpo treatment.

Claim to life denied 🙅

AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:33 collapse

Sympathy witheld until forms can be obtained that prove that the bullet holes were not a pre existing condition.

TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz on 06 Dec 2024 23:04 collapse

Most humans are born with orifices, I think that counts.

TheFogan@programming.dev on 06 Dec 2024 17:59 collapse

Pre-existing condition, lead poisoning in a boomer.

GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca on 06 Dec 2024 18:15 next collapse

This isn’t a generational thing. For a start, he’s technically Gen X, not a boomer. And secondly, I’m older than him and I’m just as happy about that as everyone else.

granolabar@kbin.melroy.org on 06 Dec 2024 20:48 next collapse

While boomer is deff age, when people refer to it online it largely mind sent reference... that parasite pest leeching on working people and feel entitled to do it, indigent when exposed.

You know the type...

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 01:41 collapse

(Gen X voted for Trump at a higher rate than boomers)

GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca on 07 Dec 2024 02:40 next collapse

Which is really really sad. When I was younger I used to think we just need these old people to age out of the system and my generation can do things better. We seem to be doing significantly worse.

btaf45@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 18:58 collapse

(Gen X voted for Trump at a higher rate than boomers)

That’s really sad because the younger someone is the more they are going to be fucked by the long term effects of Donald Trainwreck’s enshitification of everything. Nuclear proliferation from the new world disorder, global warming, hyperinflation of the national debt due to gigantic tax cuts for the billionaire elites, hollowing out democracy, normalization of corruption, normalization of routine dishonesty, huge economic inefficiencies that comes with wealth inequality, removal of previous rights like abortion, vast increase in government incompetency, etc

raynethackery@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:16 next collapse

He was actually GenX.

frostysauce@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 23:31 next collapse

You’ve seen pictures of him right? Just how fucking young do you think boomers are?

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 01:40 collapse

Boomer, n. “A privileged asshole who keeps fucking things up for everyone else.”

If that doesn’t apply to you, they’re not insulting you.

frostysauce@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 02:18 collapse

You can’t just make up a definition of a word.

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 02:29 collapse

That’s literally how words are made fam

FauxPseudo@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 04:13 collapse

The OED would liy to know your location.

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 04:45 collapse

The OED is quite accepting of multiple definitions that develop over time! They love citing first known usage, it gets them hard as diamonds.

FauxPseudo@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 06:17 collapse

The OED, like all dictionaries, goes by usage. One person using a word in a different way, is never going to make it.

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 08:25 collapse

All definitions start somewhere, and, just fyi:

“Ok Boomer” wasn’t actually directed at boomers before decrepit millennials stole it from the youths. It was directed at people with the toxic mindset associated with conservativism and “old fashioned” opinions on social issues.

The kinds of asshole that climb up a ladder and kick it down behind them.

jaybone@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 02:50 collapse

Everyone older than me is a boomer.

shiftymccool@programming.dev on 07 Dec 2024 11:57 collapse

Everyone younger than me is a zoomer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

RobotToaster@mander.xyz on 06 Dec 2024 17:54 next collapse

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floofloof@lemmy.ca on 06 Dec 2024 19:18 next collapse

Silly tardigrade’s playing on the wrong side of the bridge. Do they teach nothing at tardigrade music school?

ylph@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 20:22 next collapse

He’s playing Penderecki

floofloof@lemmy.ca on 06 Dec 2024 20:50 next collapse

Threnody to the Victims of Health Insurance Companies.

Rubisco@slrpnk.net on 06 Dec 2024 21:13 collapse

TIL. Thank you!

but the piece that truly brought him to international attention was Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima (see threnody and atomic bombing of Hiroshima), written in 1960 for 52 string instruments. In it, he makes use of extended instrumental techniques (for example, playing behind the bridge, bowing on the tailpiece).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzysztof_Penderecki

ylph@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:37 collapse

The Threnody is definitely his most famous, but he has used that technique in some of his solo compositions for cello as well - example

Rubisco@slrpnk.net on 06 Dec 2024 22:58 collapse

Oh WOW!
That’s…something else entirely.
So violent! Yet also subtle and quiet.
Yields immediate visceral reactions.
The entire instrument is so thoroughly explored.
How does one remember such a piece?
Or keep the original bow and strings to the end?
Striking. Marvelous. Beautiful. I’m all for it.

An amendment of something conjured by it:

It’s not safe out here. It’s wonderous; with treasures vibrations to satiate desires both subtle and gross, but it’s not for the timid.

foggenbooty@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 04:16 collapse

It’s also not even a violin.

floofloof@lemmy.ca on 07 Dec 2024 05:25 collapse

It’s hard to tell. It looks deep like a cello, but the bridge doesn’t look quite high enough. Maybe at the tardigrade scale stringed instruments are made a little differently.

GaMEChld@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 19:25 collapse

🐻

peopleproblems@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:42 next collapse

You know what’s pretty neat about this?

It’s not mob justice. Mob justice is when people get together and come up with bad ideas. This is an individual that the public has now rallied around.

While we only see comments from a select few number of people in this country (relative to it’s size of 350m) it seems that democracy is voicing itself. I know a lot of people who were initially shocked, but then quickly came to the conclusion that FAFO is a real thing.

And health insurance companies have done a lot of fucking around.

Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:55 next collapse

And health insurance companies have done a lot of fucking around.

Hopefully more of the FO part comes out of the woodwork.

zbyte64@awful.systems on 06 Dec 2024 19:08 next collapse

This guy is probably gonna get folk songs in TikTok by now

granolabar@kbin.melroy.org on 06 Dec 2024 20:46 collapse

We don't know the implications of this. But there got to be something big coming our way.

Ruling class will not have their lieutenant punished like this in a broad day light with out lashing out.

They already despise as is, they gonna step up brutality imho screw here, screw there.

Passerby6497@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 23:08 collapse

That’s just going to pour gas on the fire. The less people have to lose, the more likely they’re going to take matters into their own hands.

granolabar@kbin.melroy.org on 06 Dec 2024 23:12 next collapse

You aint wrong but ruling class can'[t accept one of their officers being gunned down by what appears to be a pleb with vendetta and he get away with it while rest of us cheer him on as a hero.

This is about power, and the the people with power feeling insecure.

Time will tell. I expect things to get worse before/if they ever get better for the working class.

SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works on 06 Dec 2024 23:16 collapse

History is rhyming again.

Disaster@sh.itjust.works on 06 Dec 2024 23:59 collapse

Suggest reading about the circumstances running up to the storming of the Bastille.

Excrubulent@slrpnk.net on 07 Dec 2024 00:10 next collapse

“Mob justice” is a boogeyman invented to distract you from the fact that the cops and the state give you no justice at all.

MisterFrog@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 01:37 collapse

It’s not even mob justice, it’s vigilante justice. It just so happens in this case practically everyone is pretty happy about it having happened.

The mob never called for this CEO’s death, we’re just not sad he was killed. Even if in general most of us wouldn’t actively call for people to be killed.

If it makes CEOs afraid, then fantastic, a nice happy side-bonus.

Excrubulent@slrpnk.net on 07 Dec 2024 02:27 collapse

Yeah, and that’s all true, but in the comment I replied to was room for the implication that “mob justice” is a problem somehow.

We’re told it would be chaos, some great threat to society, but like, the only examples of mobs that I can think of doing any real damage are groups whose immediate aims were supported by the ruling class. Lynchings in the US south were openly permitted and encouraged by the entrenched white supremacist police state. Witch burnings were encouraged by the state to disenfranchise women from power over their own bodies, and they laid the foundations for capitalism.

Then those horrific examples of state oppression are presented to us as examples of the horrors that await if we were to ever stop bowing to that same state and take matters into our own hands.

Even if the person making the comment didn’t intend to reinforce that notion, it’s a default assumption for many people and I didn’t want it to stand unchallenged.

SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org on 07 Dec 2024 00:25 next collapse

Not a lot of finding out so far though.

kambusha@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 07:32 next collapse

Fuck Around, Find Out?

popekingjoe@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 11:15 collapse

You got it.

NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml on 07 Dec 2024 09:39 collapse

Is karma.

Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:50 next collapse

Good. Let the celebration continue.

cm0002@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 18:54 next collapse

Hopefully dude never gets caught (Which he probably won’t as it’s now been greater than 48 hours, and we all know what that means if you’ve seen The First 48)

But if he does, it’s going to be awfully hard putting together a jury that hasn’t heard of JURY NULLIFICATION

krashmo@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 19:26 next collapse

48 hours is only for regular cases with one or two cops assigned. High profile stuff like this gets considerably more attention and resources for a longer period of time

Grimy@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:23 next collapse

At this point, I don’t even think they want to catch him anymore. He’s already being talked about as a hero, throwing him in jail would make him a martyr. People would protest at the trial too, it would be a mess.

BigDiction@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:33 next collapse

First 48 is about finding a victim alive. Murderers are commonly identified and caught outside that window.

sudo@programming.dev on 07 Dec 2024 05:17 collapse

If they catch him they will kill him.

spirinolas@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 14:27 next collapse

Exactly. There’s no way they’ll allow him to speak his mind or allow the people to rally in his support in a huge trial. They find him, he’s dead. The “how” they’ll figure it out. Happy cop trigger, killed while trying to escape, heart attack, attacked by a bear, hit by meteorite. They’ll come up with something, mark my words.

TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 16:33 collapse

He should walk into a news organisation lobby and ask to be arrested there

Chekhovs_Gun@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 18:02 collapse

And then they’ll kill him while waiting for a trial.

TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 21:17 collapse

But the world would know it was murder and not “resisting arrest”

stephen01king@lemmy.zip on 07 Dec 2024 22:52 collapse

Would that change anything in a country where Trump is re-elected?

TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 08:52 collapse

The cynic in me says nothing matters and nothing ever changes, the ideologe says it gives people ideas, ideas that build up and can one day turn into action.

stephen01king@lemmy.zip on 08 Dec 2024 09:43 collapse

Well, let’s hope the second part of you is right.

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 06 Dec 2024 19:19 next collapse

Why contain it? S’cool.

reksas@sopuli.xyz on 06 Dec 2024 19:23 next collapse

first shot of the revolution

superkret@feddit.org on 06 Dec 2024 19:46 next collapse

TIL Reddit has paid employees, for what they call the “modcoc team”.

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 19:53 next collapse

“United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson’s final KD ratio (7,652,103:1) lands him among the all time greats,” a thread deleted by r/interestingasfuck moderators said.

moody@lemmings.world on 06 Dec 2024 20:03 next collapse

By definition, none of the kills are his. They’re all assists.

ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 06 Dec 2024 20:44 collapse

Still pretty impressive ratio though

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 01:34 collapse

KDA is perfectly valid, some classes just don’t do any work themselves.

joel_feila@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 22:26 collapse

I would pay for that to be his grave stone

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 07 Dec 2024 04:56 collapse

It only costs one bottle of spray paint

Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Dec 2024 15:49 collapse

They’re gonna have to put this dipshit’s grave on private property.

sdcSpade@lemmy.zip on 06 Dec 2024 20:18 next collapse

Why contain it? Let it spill over to the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end, they’ll beg us to save them.

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granolabar@kbin.melroy.org on 06 Dec 2024 20:42 collapse

Let it spill over to the schools and churches,

That's what the regime wants, whoever executed topic of the current discussion knew that they could tap this raw anger.

Note how witness was left alone... if he killed the witness, this would be a different story.

Clean murder of a corporate parasite, galvanized the public. Zero tears shed, people are celebrating.

There is a lesson for the elites in this... but they won't learn it. They will regroup and oppression will get worse. They will use full force of the state against working people.

This is just the start.

peopleproblems@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 22:11 collapse

And they will somehow think that they escape unscathed.

ninekeysdown@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 22:31 collapse

Yeap, the more they squeeze the more people will have less to loose. Now that it’s been done once people see it’s possible. People see how it’s being celebrated. Hopefully this will replace shoot shootings. Because politicians don’t care about dead kids but they’ll as hell care about CEOs being merc’d. Maybe we’ll get some meaningful reforms out of this and change some business practices too.

peopleproblems@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 01:01 collapse

I just want to say I haven’t seen “merc’d” used quite so eloquently before, well done.

tabular@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 20:56 next collapse

One of r/InterestingAsFuck’s rules is “No politics,” which a moderator for the subreddit told us is the reason it was removed.

A rule for arbitrarily deleting any post on an ill-defined idea that some topics are not political. Why even say such an unreasonable thing when you can just say supporting violence is against site-wide rules?

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 06 Dec 2024 21:25 next collapse

I bet because nobody was actually supporting violence just gloating BC parasite got FAFO

Passerby6497@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 23:04 next collapse

One of r/InterestingAsFuck’s rules is “No politics,” which a moderator for the subreddit told us is the reason it was removed.

That is such a stupid rule, because everything is politics.

orrk@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 23:22 collapse

that’s some literal communist thinking there mate.

LePoisson@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 00:01 next collapse

I don’t think you know the definition of the words “literal” and “communism” if that’s what you think.

orrk@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 22:37 collapse

I guess the idea of material reality isn’t part of communism, good to know.

spujb@lemmy.cafe on 07 Dec 2024 00:50 next collapse

i don’t know if you noticed what site you are on, most people here are at the very least friendly with the notion of communism even if you were right about this

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 01:35 next collapse

And they aren’t right, to be clear.

orrk@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 22:41 collapse

they may be friendly with the notion of communism, but apparently don’t know much about communist ideology, because according to dialectical materialism, yes everything is political, from where you work, what you have/use, the food on your plate, and even the thoughts you think are all inherently tied to politics as politics is the ordering of society, and society is a core and indispensable part of the human condition

KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Dec 2024 00:53 next collapse

Can you list something non political?

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 01:36 next collapse

Broccoli.

KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Dec 2024 01:42 next collapse

You don’t think farming is political? O.o

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 06:10 collapse

I speak of the Platonic ideal of broccoli, please don’t sully it with your crude materialism.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca on 07 Dec 2024 07:13 collapse

Who came up with this ideal? Why did they define it like that? Are there better ways to define broccoli? Why do we call it broccoli? What’s the meaning of politics and therefore political? Who… Fuck.

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 11:54 collapse

1: Some Italian I guess. 2: Because it be like that. 3: No. 4: Italians speak funny. 5: Everything but broccoli. 6: Anyone that consents as long as you don’t hurt nobody.

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 03:32 collapse

Farm subsidies, ad subsidies for that sector, pesticide use and regulation for vegetables, labor laws for harvesting, etc. etc.

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 06:11 collapse

Just broccoli. That other stuff is the politics surrounding the pure form.

Passerby6497@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 13:45 collapse

If you don’t think food is political, you’re not paying attention. ‘Every society is three meals from chaos’

dragonfucker@lemmy.nz on 07 Dec 2024 05:20 next collapse

Anarchism. Anarchism is just people working together to topple unjust states with violence if need be. No need for voting or governments or corporations to get involved.

ricecake@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 09:56 collapse

Anarchism is literally a political philosophy. It’s profoundly political.

dragonfucker@lemmy.nz on 07 Dec 2024 10:08 collapse

Yeah, but it’s less political than everything else drag can think of

Passerby6497@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 13:43 next collapse

Less political != Non political

Again, everything is politics.

ricecake@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 14:12 collapse

I’d actually say it’s significantly more political than most. It’s a philosophy about the nature of political and economic power.

It’s hard to get more political than a political philosophy. About the only way is to find one whose proponents are particularly debate-y and prone to infighting, and fond of byzantine governing arrangements to avoid entrenched or coercive positions of power.

Anarchism is typically focused on opposition to coercive or involuntary ruling arrangements. It’s beenpoliticized as being in favor of chaos by people on the powerful end of said arrangements.
Because they’re against hierarchy, anarchist social arrangements typically require much more political involvement than others.

dragonfucker@lemmy.nz on 07 Dec 2024 14:38 collapse

In drag’s opinion, involving someone in politics without their knowledge or consent is more political than simply teaching them to value and engage with politics of their free will. The consent violation makes it more political.

Also in a liberal capitalist society, everything is politicised because everything costs money. In an anarchist society you just go to the grocer and take some food home. Under a capitalist regime, you have to exchange money backed by the state which represents a social construct of value exchange just to buy some bananas. It’s weird.

Birch@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 07:43 collapse

Your mom!

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 01:32 collapse

How?

orrk@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 22:33 collapse

material conditions mean everything, every action you take, every opportunity you have, every thing you buy, literally all of it, is influenced by politics.

Politics is simply the organization of society, and as a human without society you have nothing, you would have to slave away for years just to make a standard no°2 pencil, and even that is influenced by politics because it takes a society to raise a person.

can@sh.itjust.works on 06 Dec 2024 23:12 collapse

Why even say such an unreasonable thing when you can just say supporting violence is against site-wide rules?

No one who thinks that hard is still moderating at reddit.

jordanlund@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 21:46 next collapse

The poor News mods here are looking forward to mundane Spam removals at this point.

harmsy@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 22:57 next collapse

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frostysauce@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 23:44 next collapse

Fuck 'em.

SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 01:44 collapse

How about mundane spelling mistake bans?

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 06 Dec 2024 22:05 next collapse

I’m telling ya, this is the beginning of A Christmas Carol. The ghost of Thompson needs to visit his colleagues and warn them you too, shall die, and no-one will mourn you and the people will celebrate in the streets. And all your friends will tear into your assets like vultures into carrion.

Heck, replace the ghosts with mobsters and use a trick of time rather than supernatural spirits, and you have a 21st century version of the story.

peopleproblems@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 22:09 next collapse

Dude

I love it.

JasonDJ@lemmy.zip on 07 Dec 2024 03:11 collapse

Get Bill Murray and Bobcat Goldthwait. We’re doing this.

Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml on 06 Dec 2024 22:30 next collapse

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Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 22:36 next collapse

Well, the news is now out that these corporate fatcats are not as untouchable as they think

cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 06 Dec 2024 22:39 next collapse

just wait until tr*mp kills section 230

58008@lemmy.world on 06 Dec 2024 23:24 next collapse

What I like about this moment is that the people who ought to be fearful are indeed the ones who are fearful. I mean shit, Elon is posting Tweets about how great CEOs are actually, health insurance companies are removing pages from their websites that identify leadership, it’s a lovely little pocket of schadenfreude where we can all take a breath and prepare for the next 4 years.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 07 Dec 2024 00:10 next collapse

These parasites know that we got numbers on our side and we permit their rule by and large...

I don't think this corp of owners realize that plebs can turn on a dime, they got too comfortable. This is a wake up call.

Having their goon wacked like this got to make them feels a certain way hehe

sean@lemmy.wtf on 07 Dec 2024 12:04 next collapse

For the sake of my neighbors and their loved ones and their neighbors and loved ones, please stop permitting people to rule over them

surph_ninja@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:19 collapse

I hope there’s a copycat to reinforce the lesson very soon, or they’ll write this off as a one off.

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 07 Dec 2024 01:15 next collapse

I like the idea that they’ve got billions of dollars, but will have to live in a windowless bunker eating beans.

surph_ninja@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:16 next collapse

They couldn’t even hunker down in their mansions for two weeks of Covid lockdown.

They like to fantasize about it, but the reality of living like that will hit them fast.

boogiebored@lemmy.world on 11 Dec 2024 11:35 collapse

This is because they are not self sufficient, at all. They are parasites.

infinite_ass@leminal.space on 07 Dec 2024 23:31 collapse

Boot them from our nice society, in other words

We could deny them the right to buy and sell too. Just everybody refuses.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 07 Dec 2024 04:55 collapse

Ive got bullets with words on them and bullets without. But I’m all outta bullets without words on them

DancingBear@midwest.social on 06 Dec 2024 23:33 next collapse

They just recovered the backpack perhaps

Zak@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 00:26 next collapse

I couldn’t help but notice Blue Cross rescinded its very dangerous policy placing a time limit on anesthesia the day after the murder.

I don’t want a reign of terror, but perhaps just a little bit of terror will have CEOs thinking they could be next when considering especially harmful policies.

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 01:33 next collapse

Finding out after you’ve fucked around isn’t terror.

Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. This guy’s a vigilante.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 07 Dec 2024 01:40 next collapse

I guess it all depends how IRA makes you feel lol

Thatcher was the one that got away

[deleted] on 07 Dec 2024 10:52 collapse

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dessimbelackis@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 02:31 next collapse

Just a light drizzle of terror

Deceptichum@quokk.au on 07 Dec 2024 06:20 next collapse

Thats okay because its not terror its defense.

ricecake@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 09:52 next collapse

No, it’s terror. It’s just that that isn’t always the negative we’ve tended to think it is.

Typically we’ve been citizens in a country on the “power” side of the dynamic, so using terror like that meant using it on us, and so we learned that it’s bad.

This time we’re on the other side of the power dynamic, so it’s seemingly… Good.

The bad thing being good creates cognitive dissonance.

supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz on 07 Dec 2024 15:52 collapse

This is a direct consequence of “the war on terror” attempting to redefine the military strategy of asymmetrical warfare as terrorism and inherently immoral.

To sell the bullshit “war on terror” the easiest way to make the US seem righteous was to degrade the public’s sense of why people violently resist and reduce it to the act of violently resisting an organized traditional military is immoral unless the thing resisting is also a traditional organized military.

I am glad that narrative is breaking down though as the distortion of how and why violent conflicts occur is dangerously blinding to a basic understanding of the world.

btaf45@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:28 collapse

Killing people who were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time is always wrong.

supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz on 07 Dec 2024 17:38 collapse

I think you will find Palestinian citizens agree with you on that point.

btaf45@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 18:44 collapse

I think you will find Palestinian citizens agree with you on that point.

Yes. And the Israeli hostages.

100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it on 07 Dec 2024 12:54 next collapse

Marx once said that proletarians won’t embellish the terror once it’s their turn.

Zak@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 13:50 collapse

Robespierre thought killing tens of thousands of people was defense. History has not been kind to that position.

in4aPenny@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 04:03 collapse

Good thing there’s only 2066 of them. 2065 now.

gaael@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 10:16 next collapse

In France, during the Nazi occupation in WW2, a few people turned to the Resistance movement which was also a terror operation: they would target military objectives but also conduct assassinations of nazi officials designed to inspire fear in the others and spark support in the population.

barsoap@lemm.ee on 08 Dec 2024 13:16 collapse

You just reminded me of a movie and let’s just say I highly recommend it.

On yet another front, the Greek resistance would kill Nazis. In retaliation, Nazis would kill whole villages. Enraged, more Greeks would join the resistance and kill more Nazis. Net result: Towards the end pretty much every Greek was in the resistance and Greece was the only (IIRC, or at least the first or something) country to free itself from Nazi occupation. (Then they became a dictatorship different story).

model_tar_gz@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 14:52 collapse

And you just reminded me of a movie from a show and let’s just say I recommend both.

youtu.be/X1DcKBwliAw

winterayars@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 19:35 collapse

Technically they didn’t fully rescind it. They rescinded it in some places but not others, and for some patients but not others. It’s just PR, they have no intention of actually changing things.

[deleted] on 07 Dec 2024 01:08 next collapse

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RangerJosie@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 02:38 collapse
DancingBear@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 02:39 next collapse

How fucked up is it that the day after the ceo of a major health insurance company was murdered in broad daylight,

The next day another health insurance company said they would no longer limit anesthesia during surgeries.

This makes me realize something, and it’s not what our sponsor or corporate donor wants me to believe.

Edit: m.youtube.com/watch?v=vwSRqaZGsPw

surph_ninja@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:13 next collapse

‘We have to wait for elections to attempt to fix anything’ is just something we’ve been brainwashed to believe.

Enough people deciding they want change immediately makes it happen. Especially when those at the reigns fear immediate backlash.

winterayars@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 19:34 next collapse

Elections were the deal. We’d vote for representatives and abide by their decisions rather than, y’know, killing people in the streets to change society.

When elections can’t change society, though. When the deal is broken, it’s back to the old ways.

surph_ninja@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 19:50 collapse

Yep. The social contract has been destroyed. Time to stop holding up our end of it.

Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de on 08 Dec 2024 01:08 collapse

Elections are theater as long as corporate campaign funding exists.

Odd_so_Star_so_Odd@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 08:50 next collapse

Yea we feast on their money while they get to serve it up voluntarily to stay clear of the guillotine.

DancingBear@midwest.social on 08 Dec 2024 13:52 collapse

I don’t want their money. It’s blood money, kind of like blood diamonds….

I’d take powerball though

zephorah@lemm.ee on 08 Dec 2024 15:14 collapse

It’s true. The YT link is for music. Here’s the article.

npr.org/…/blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-anthe…

Buttons@programming.dev on 07 Dec 2024 04:30 next collapse

On the 4th of July, American’s don’t celebrate that British soldiers were killed, we celebrate the society we won in the process.

jagged_circle@feddit.nl on 07 Dec 2024 04:53 next collapse

You think the “shot heard round the world” didn’t hit someone?

We have to start somewhere and celebrate the early battles as well as the war’s outcome

redisdead@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 12:52 collapse

I mean back in the day, there’s a solid chance that shot was way off target.

btaf45@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:20 next collapse

When the war was still going on, they probably did celebrate the number of enemy killed.

verdantOrange@reddthat.com on 07 Dec 2024 19:23 collapse

So, you’re saying that Americans are at a civil war against their upper class?

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 07 Dec 2024 05:26 next collapse

Thank fuck Lemmy isn’t owned by corporate interests that need other corporate interests to advertise on them or it’d be happening here, too.

Deceptichum@quokk.au on 07 Dec 2024 06:19 collapse

.world does it voluntarily.

NickwithaC@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 08:37 next collapse

This is the top post on all of Lemmy right now and it’s in a .world community.

antidenialistbot@lemmings.world on 07 Dec 2024 12:19 next collapse

They tuned the censorship down after the backlash.

madcaesar@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 15:02 collapse

I think we’ve all been conditioned to clutch pearls at the news like this.

But ironically Trump has removed any and all decorum. Even when he was shot, people gave no shits, because he’s a piece of shit that gives no shits.

So here we are. There’s still some that want to “virtue signal” because violence and hate is never the answer! Meanwhile people are being ground into desperation, so your pearl clutching can get fucked.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 16:21 collapse

And the sense of entitlement people on a FREE WEBSITE is ridiculous. How many of the people complaining about .world censorship help pay for the sever?

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 Dec 2024 00:04 next collapse

I don’t pay for .world nor it’s micromanaging moderators and admins. Never have, never would for such a place.

Next time I get a bit of extra cash I will donate to my instance however.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 00:37 collapse

And if you’re posting there and bitching about it, that’s your problem, not .world’s.

No one is forcing you to post there and no one is under any obligation to do what you want in terms of server rules. Sorry, .world is not there to cater to you or anyone else in specific. If your instance has different rules, post there and don’t bitch about the ones in .world.

AreaSIX@lemm.ee on 08 Dec 2024 10:36 collapse

And no one is forcing you to reply. We will post wherever we want, and bitch about whatever we want, anywhere we want. You seem to feel like you actually are .world, so go ahead and ban everyone who doesn’t bow down to arbitrary garbage. No wonder no one ever has anything positive to say about you squid, it sucks to suck. Be better.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 11:40 collapse

I see, so you can post and bitch whenever you want, but I’m not allowed to.

Why am I different?

And if I’m not different, why are you complaining about me bitching about what I want?

AreaSIX@lemm.ee on 08 Dec 2024 12:16 collapse

Who says you’re not allowed to? Regular users don’t have the ability to ban you. But you have the ability to ban users, an ability you abuse regularly with what looks like a pitiable “I am the king of .world” god complex. It’s sad that you seem to lack the bandwidth to understand how you as a mod are different to regular users. But it explains a lot.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 12:28 collapse

So I have a “god complex,” but I also have more power than regular users and that makes me different from them.

That seems contradictory.

But please do find an example within, say, the last month where I banned someone for doing anything other than violating stated rules in the sidebar or Lemmy ToS. Go for it. This will be like the guy in another thread yesterday who claimed repeatedly that I’m a Zionist and when I asked them to find one single comment where I said anything where I supported Israel they said they were done talking to me.

So good luck proving your lie too.

Also, you sure implied I wasn’t allowed to bitch. Did you forget your last comment?

AreaSIX@lemm.ee on 08 Dec 2024 14:02 collapse

Isn’t it odd how people in random threads repeatedly seem to not like you, because of your moderating? To a degree that your name pops up anytime someone wants an example of a shitty mod? If everyone you meet is an asshole, perhaps you’re the asshole? But no, it’s not you that’s out of touch, it’s the children who are wrong.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 14:05 collapse

I see. You have no evidence for your lie, so you’ve moved on to insults.

Incidentally, all you are doing is punching down on someone who is already aware that he’s a horrible person and far inferior to you and most other people and has been aware of it his entire life, but keep doing it if it makes you feel better. Don’t worry, I’m going to be dead in four years anyway if it all works out.

AreaSIX@lemm.ee on 08 Dec 2024 14:52 collapse

Hey, if you truly are terminally ill in some way, I’m very sorry for that. But also, it’s shameful to retreat and hide behind “I’m gonna die in four years, so you’re a bad person for calling me out on my bullshit” after you’ve been chastising people everywhere. Being terminally ill doesn’t give people a cart blanche to act in any way they want and not get called out for it. If the discourse on Lemmy is too much, you could also stop being a mod, stop acting holier than thou, or stop using Lemmy altogether and enjoy your time offline. Here, you’re not a terminally ill person, you’re flying squid the mod. If you can’t take the heat, you should consider getting out of the kitchen instead of crying foul when you get called out.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 14:53 collapse

You’re not a bad person for calling me out. I deserve it.

What I don’t deserve is you lying about me. There is no need when I’m already inferior to you in almost every possible way.

Also, I don’t believe for a minute that you’re sorry. Not when you’ve made your hatred for me very clear.

AreaSIX@lemm.ee on 08 Dec 2024 15:39 collapse

Nah, I don’t hate you, you’re not significant enough to me to hate. And whether you want to believe it or not, I do feel sorry that human beings are forced to endure hardships that are imposed on them, like a terminal illness for example.

I just find you to be a bit sad and pathetic, completely unrelated to your self declared illness, which I was unaware of until today and which in any case is irrelevant to the conversation at hand. And you just keep finding new ways of validating that assessment.

I’m done with this conversation, I think I made myself about as clear as I am able to do.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 16:58 next collapse

Sure. You go around hurling insult after insult at people you think are “sad and pathetic.” I know I’m an idiot, but I’m not that stupid.

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Dec 2024 02:24 collapse

Holy shit this thread is hilariously pathetic on FS’ part.

You hate me!

“No? I just don’t like bad moderation.”

You hate me! Because I’m ill!

“…No? What does that do with anything?”

You want me to stop replying to anything and everything?! You’re the weirdo!

God damn, FS makes me just think .world is a containment instance like Hexbear.

sgnl@midwest.social on 08 Dec 2024 06:09 next collapse

The positions you take lately, and the arguments you make lately are increasingly disappointing.

No one owes .world anything… If those in control make questionable decisions, they are going to be called out regardless of aggressive moderation, it’s all federated, kinda the point.

“Can’t take he heat, get out of the kitchen…” and all that jazz…

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 11:39 next collapse

it’s all federated, kinda the point.

So find some other free server that doesn’t have the rules you hate. Isn’t that the point?

I’m sorry, but throwing a fit because a bunch of volunteers on a free website aren’t letting you have your way is just childish.

AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee on 08 Dec 2024 18:04 collapse

Common Squid L

eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Dec 2024 02:26 collapse

Bulk Common Squid L in this entire thread

expr@programming.dev on 08 Dec 2024 10:55 collapse

Not sure why you’re out here defending hugely unpopular behavior.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 11:38 collapse

I’m not defending anything. I’m accusing a bunch of people who think they’re owed something on a free website of being children with a massive sense of entitlement.

MellowYellow13@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 14:06 collapse

Why is not being censored being owed something? Your brain is trash.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 14:07 collapse

Because you do not have a right to not be censored. And since you’ve decided to insult rather than argue, I think there’s no need to continue this discussion.

And yes, I’m aware my brain, and the rest of me, is trash. I don’t know why people have to constantly tell me I’m inferior to them when I’m already aware of it. It’s like people who tell fat people they’re fat.

Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz on 07 Dec 2024 10:36 collapse

Can’t complain if you’re gonna play the same game for the other side…

Deceptichum@quokk.au on 07 Dec 2024 10:55 collapse

I’m not.

Machinist@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 05:43 next collapse

Man, this shit just keeps being funny. The longer it stays funny, the better it affects all involved.

btaf45@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:23 collapse

Fuck the media for treating this murder as super important. This is something that only wealthy elites care about.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 19:02 next collapse

Im only respond to your words: that only wealthy elites care about. Pedant warning. By responding you are agreeing to a very narrow discussion. Thank you for engaging this point of contention if you choose to do so.

This is inaccurate. my proof is that I know people who are unhappy with the mob mentality around murder being okay. People who dont even make as much as i do, and while i consider myself poor, i recognize im above my areas minimum wage. Additonally I am not a wealthy elite and care about this to the degree that it could be a problem for us non elites if things go badly

I personally midly concerned about what problems this might be showing us. Im not in a position to address or research them and dont claim that what i can see might happen is going to happen. Im opposed to people basing significant hardline stances on unproven and or untested assumptions and predictions. But I do see, without much difficulty or effort, how mobs and pitchforks are rarely proven to be acting on good faith rationality.

So all im asking here is for you to contemplate why you were comfortable making such an easily arguable word choice and if you could be more precise in the future when you really are passionate about an argument you are making.

btaf45@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 19:32 collapse

Okay but why is the media treating this as more important than every other murder? It’s not. That’s what people are mad about. If anything, it is less important, since the motivation is something that not a threat to the general public.

Jarix@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 20:32 collapse

You have violated the terms you agreed to

Honytawk@lemmy.zip on 07 Dec 2024 19:17 collapse

But if the media didn’t blew it up so much, we wouldn’t get all these memes.

Its the Streisand in full effect.

daggermoon@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 06:50 next collapse

Is anything remotely likely to change as a result of this on a systemic level or otherwise?

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 07:11 next collapse

I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess nope. What do I win?

Test_Tickles@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 07:14 next collapse

Maybe some future school shooter wannabe will notice that they barely even report on school shootings anymore, and Uvalde even reelected the piece of shit sheriff that let all those kids die. Maybe they will see this shooter being treated like some kind of hero, and decide to hunt Billionaires or CEOs instead.
After enough of those, the world will be drastically improved, or the surviving billionaires will finally bring about some real gun control legislation.

Glasgow@lemmy.ml on 07 Dec 2024 09:25 next collapse

Elons carrying his kids around as human shields so there’s that.

infinite_ass@leminal.space on 07 Dec 2024 23:49 collapse

Correct me if I’m wrong but Elon did nothing to compare with what Brian did.

Glasgow@lemmy.ml on 08 Dec 2024 00:17 collapse

Elon has really helped ramped up the societal breakdown by messing with the x algorithm. People are losing the plot.

infinite_ass@leminal.space on 08 Dec 2024 00:59 collapse

That’s pretty far from causing the suffering and death of thousands, right?

Glasgow@lemmy.ml on 08 Dec 2024 08:43 collapse

Not really. He scammed Trump into the White House and there will be a lot of suffering and death in his mass deportation plans.

infinite_ass@leminal.space on 08 Dec 2024 14:12 collapse

“will be”, eh? Well until he’s actually done his thousands of dead and suffering, try to keep some perspective.

And try to think for yourself a little.

Glasgow@lemmy.ml on 08 Dec 2024 17:25 collapse

Fuck up

djsoren19@yiffit.net on 07 Dec 2024 09:37 collapse

I’m not sure, but locals tagged “Deny, Defend, Depose” near me. If nothing else, seems there’ll be good branding made of it.

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 07:10 next collapse

Everybody who sees the hitman as a social justice vigilante is gonna report back here when we find out it was some personal bullshit, right?

spacesatan@leminal.space on 07 Dec 2024 08:42 next collapse

Oh no, stop, don’t do the right thing for the wrong reason

Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 07 Dec 2024 12:18 next collapse

What “personal bullshit” would lead to Deny, Depose, Defend?

SparrowHawk@feddit.it on 07 Dec 2024 12:40 next collapse

Yes it was fucking personal. Maybe he lost someone because of the company. Either way social justice IS personal, for all of us. Wether you believe it or not, injustice affects all of us

Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com on 07 Dec 2024 13:48 next collapse

What do you mean? I hope it was personal too. I’m already experiencing the catharsis vicariously.

frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe on 08 Dec 2024 15:58 collapse

If it turns out he was a shareholder disappointed with his latest dividend, yes I would be sad. That’s my line.

DarkFuture@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 09:35 next collapse

EAT. THE. RICH.

Dremor@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 09:49 collapse

Too much fat, it’d be unhealthy.

Rekonok@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 11:24 next collapse

They not that much just take a bite and give it to the next

nshibj@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 12:18 next collapse

Separate the fat. Make soap with it. Sell it to the rich.

ivanafterall@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 14:02 collapse

Tell them the soap removes toxins and you’ll make a killing. Heh.

Infinite@lemmy.zip on 07 Dec 2024 18:44 collapse

Wouldn’t that be two killings?

Rakonat@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 12:37 next collapse

Turn the rich into soap and clean this society up!

stinky@redlemmy.com on 07 Dec 2024 18:51 collapse

COMPOST. THE. RICH.

Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 07 Dec 2024 09:55 next collapse

I think this is as funny as the next person but realistically what will change?

Won’t they just elect another scumbag and keep going?

newDayRocks@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 10:02 next collapse

At least some health insurance companies are temporarily easing up on denials or pausing shitty policies like limiting anthensia coverage during surgery.

That alone could save a few hundred lives, even if just for a little while.

[deleted] on 07 Dec 2024 14:04 collapse

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btaf45@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:17 collapse

What a deranged thing to attempt by BCBS.

It was Anthem.

Edit:

My bad. Anthem is BCBS.

[deleted] on 07 Dec 2024 17:36 collapse

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pmc@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 07 Dec 2024 17:54 collapse

Anthem is one member of the BCBS insurance group. Hell, they compete with another member in California! (Blue Shield of California)

[deleted] on 07 Dec 2024 17:56 collapse

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Scrollone@feddit.it on 07 Dec 2024 10:43 next collapse

Not if something also happens to the next one and the following one and so on.

wabafee@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 12:47 next collapse

I think it’s a precedent, CEOs actually have something to fear aside from their job. Which usually fails upward with a good serverance package. This is also a sign that the Government and the laws of the land no longer works for the people. It’s a good and a bad thing either way. Personally I think it’s a huge mistake we made companies as a person. I think this is were the root cause is. Since it disconnects the accountability of the people working especially the higher ups.

evilcultist@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 12:55 next collapse

If they’re a person it should go all the way. They should be able to go on trial for homicide. Some states still have the death penalty for people. Disband the company if it commits serious crimes.

surph_ninja@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:07 collapse

While still jailing those who made the decisions and performed the illegal actions.

downhomechunk@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 16:02 collapse

I think they’ll all get their companies to pay for security details and armored cars. It’ll make them feel even more self-important.

surph_ninja@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:06 collapse

Then hopefully someone shows security details and armored cars are easily taken care of with homemade devices.

100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it on 07 Dec 2024 12:52 next collapse

The assassination reminded us that they are not some sort of incorporeal beings, but that they can be killed.

lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Dec 2024 16:18 next collapse

Hard to predict.

This act broke the taboo against violence and shattered the perception of powerlessness. Turns out there is something you can do against these assholes, and it’s not as unpopular an option as you might have expected.

It may inspire imitation, emboldening other pissed victims. It may scare the other CEOs into treading more carefully. It might embolden progressive politicians to challenge the status quo, now that they see how popular that can be.

Or it might end up a big ball of hot air that doesn’t do anything. Like I said, hard to predict.

Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 07 Dec 2024 17:22 collapse

If all the disaffected white teens stopped shooting up schools and started shooting CEOs, it’s not healthy, but they would be channeling their anger in a better direction.

ericbomb@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 16:37 next collapse

I mean that’s a fair thought.

But even by USA capitalist standards, this specific man was a monster who in a just world wouldn’t be allowed to be in charge of anything. The world is slightly better off without such a greedy and heartless man in it.

Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca on 07 Dec 2024 17:32 next collapse

Nothing will change unless it becomes a recurring and common thing.

How many people can actually pull off a successful assassination of a wealthy person? Not many, especially now that security is going to go up.

Nothing will change, but at least that one guy got some revenge.

el_abuelo@programming.dev on 07 Dec 2024 17:40 next collapse

And that one guy got his comeuppance

yemmly@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:43 next collapse

Assassinating is so easy a child could do it. It’s getting away with it that’s hard.

glitchdx@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 21:54 collapse

not a problem for people with nothing left to lose.

KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Dec 2024 23:04 next collapse

If only it were easier to organize into teams without being infiltrated by disguised fed boys, but only the right is allowed to do that.

sudoer777@lemmy.ml on 08 Dec 2024 05:39 collapse

just wait until Republicans suddenly turn anti-2A

stevedice@sh.itjust.works on 07 Dec 2024 19:35 next collapse

Well, if you don’t wanna celebrate a monster dying just for the sake of it, we can look at it from an environnent perspective, taking that pos out did more for the environnent than Green Peace has in the last 10 years.

frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe on 08 Dec 2024 15:53 collapse

Yes, your advocating for killing the entire board of directors is the right move. Another route would be to kill off all of the large institutional investors like fidelity, JP Morgan etc who put that board in place. But that’s about where the buck stops. Sadly those people are better at being faceless so it’s harder, but it would also work for all public companies (for example Boeing, or John Deere, or all of the other more notably evil companies lately)

General_Effort@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 11:47 next collapse

.world is in the EU. The same laws that apply to inciting hate or violence against “The Jews” or “The Blacks” also apply to “The CEOs”. And the same laws that apply to Facebook also apply to lemmy.

antidenialistbot@lemmings.world on 07 Dec 2024 12:18 next collapse

According to Piaget, most children go through three stages of ethical behavior. The first one is rule-based (daddy said so), the second one is based on opposition, the third one takes the context into account to emit a sensible ethical judgment.

Of course, a lot of people never get to stage 2. They stay rule-based all their life. What a pity.

General_Effort@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 13:58 collapse

I don’t think it has much to do with ethics in the usual sense. It’s all about tribal allegiance. Facebook and the like are the enemy. Anything that seems to bother the enemy is cheered. There is no thought that laws apply generally. It reminds me of that old internet meme about conservatism. There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

I think you could make a serious argument that the CEO killing was self-defense. But it’s not going to really change anything. Maybe the successor is less ruthless but they will be making decisions in the same social context; facing the same incentives and disincentives.

[deleted] on 07 Dec 2024 14:58 next collapse

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General_Effort@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 15:27 collapse

An armed society is a polite society. I’ve never believed that. I still don’t. There doesn’t seem to be much of a connection between gun ownership and access to health care.

HelloHotel@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 15:47 collapse

I agree. It leads to problems of its own.

bitjunkie@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 15:59 collapse

I can think of one disincentive in particular they probably wouldn’t have considered before a couple days ago

SparrowHawk@feddit.it on 07 Dec 2024 12:38 next collapse

CEO is not an identity, nor minority. It’s a political and economical position

100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it on 07 Dec 2024 12:50 next collapse

It should be unnecessary to point this out, but here we are

General_Effort@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 14:06 collapse

That’s not how the law works.

If anyone wants it a little more precise. Lemmy.world claims Dutch and German jurisdiction. An English translation of one relevant German statute may be found here (§130, but also note §131): www.gesetze-im-internet.de/…/englisch_stgb.html#p…

SparrowHawk@feddit.it on 07 Dec 2024 15:24 collapse

Yeah but i don’t care abt the law

wavebeam@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 15:29 next collapse

Yeah what’re they gunna do to me, double Dutch my ass in another country for posting a meme?

SparrowHawk@feddit.it on 07 Dec 2024 15:39 collapse

Meme police gonna f u up

Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 16:09 next collapse

Fuck the police.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 08 Dec 2024 23:07 collapse

Coming straight from the Fediground

General_Effort@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 18:01 collapse

The people operating the platform may be fined if they don’t moderate according to their local law.

I’ve seen people here often cheer for the EU standing up to Big Tech. Well, this, too, is EU regulations.

ivanafterall@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 14:00 next collapse

Won’t someone think of the poor CEOs!?

NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 14:27 next collapse

I was born into a poor family if genetic CEOs. We’ve lost our ancestral claims to the shareholders. We used to conduct layoffs from the Urals to the Black Sea. Not anymore.

We were a proud people, passing down strong CEO genes.

surph_ninja@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:21 collapse

Sounds just like a Cuban expat pining over their lost family plantation.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 08 Dec 2024 23:09 collapse

The new poors are the most pathetic creatures...

Flax_vert@feddit.uk on 07 Dec 2024 16:32 next collapse

@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

Come and get 'em

redrumBot@lemmy.ml on 07 Dec 2024 18:38 collapse

No. From the Case of Savva Terentyev v. Russia (police) of the European Court of Human Rights:

76.  The Court further considers that the police, a law-enforcement public agency, can hardly be described as an unprotected minority or group that has a history of oppression or inequality, or that faces deep-rooted prejudices, hostility and discrimination, or that is vulnerable for some other reason, and thus may, in principle, need a heightened protection from attacks committed by insult, holding up to ridicule or slander

ACAB, for pigs and CEOs.

eran_morad@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 15:27 next collapse

🤣

mechoman444@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 12:48 collapse

🤣

Ottomade@lemmy.zip on 07 Dec 2024 15:41 next collapse

It’s bi-partisan too. Which makes this infinitely more insane

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 16:22 next collapse

Weird, isn’t it, like there’s some vast wellspring of support a political party could have tapped into by doing literally fucking anything but defending the status quo.

fossilesque@mander.xyz on 07 Dec 2024 16:38 next collapse

www.opensecrets.org/orgs/…/recipients?id=D0000003…

thawed_caveman@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 19:40 collapse

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Looks like they threw some loose change at Jill Stein

KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Dec 2024 22:59 collapse

It’s almost like the uniting factor of the people is class. I feel like there was a historical figure once, who was assassinated for trying to pivot from race to class because the government saw the danger of a united population.

Every other cause is a distraction from that one.

ripcord@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 23:05 collapse

Wait, who are you referring to?

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 07 Dec 2024 23:59 collapse

I assumed they were talking about MLK.

ripcord@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 04:46 collapse

So now the government had him killed…?

DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social on 08 Dec 2024 07:27 next collapse

Yes. Is it surprising to you that the US government would be involved in the assassination of a Civil Rights and socialist leader or have ties to white supremacy?

If so, I can recommend quite a lot of further reading about… Most of US history.

MellowYellow13@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 14:04 next collapse

Did you skip education?

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 08 Dec 2024 22:58 collapse

Government would never kill anyone mate!

Are you a brain dead conspiracy theorist?

ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml on 07 Dec 2024 16:28 collapse

Healthcare fucks over everyone equally, it doesn’t discriminate.

Toneswirly@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 17:16 next collapse

Stop struggling and accept that lots of people are ok with advocating violence against evil people.

lischni_tschelowek@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Dec 2024 20:20 next collapse

Stop struggling and accept that lots of people are ok with advocating violence against evil people.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 08 Dec 2024 22:56 collapse

The Adjuster didn't adjust the witness, merely the parasite.

The people took notice.

Katana314@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 01:42 next collapse

I’m curious how many of those opposing the current trend would agree with statements as simple as “It is a good thing that Adolf Hitler, author of the blitzkrieg and holocaust that killed millions of people, is dead.”

Like, I get that anytime Hitler comes up, a part of our mind sorts it into exaggerated allegory. But he was a real person, who existed - and, if he hadn’t died in mysterious circumstances, it would be up to Berlin’s invaders to decide what to do with him.

And, speaking honestly, would giving him an extensive trial and then spend the rest of his life in prison, able to spread his ideology and beliefs to other prisoners, be any better?

Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca on 09 Dec 2024 12:14 collapse

I mean, I don’t have a problem with people advocating violence against evil people.

But being happy or laughing does seem pretty tactless and frankly gross.

Death and violence may be necessary in many instances but it should never be glorified or celebrated, simply accepted.

Shadywack@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 19:15 next collapse

Good, the spineless hand wringing bootlicking fucking scumbags are losing. Wonderful to see.

hswolf@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 21:24 next collapse

not losing anytime soon, just slightly annoyed, like letting the tip of the towel hit the wet floor

AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2024 22:35 collapse

And now they’re trying to make it about race, check this out.

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Zementid@feddit.nl on 07 Dec 2024 23:48 next collapse

They are afraid… for now there are no killer robots protecting them… But they sure try.

DeadWorldWalking@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 00:18 collapse

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

That’s a bipartisan message every working class American can get behind

Fashim@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 07:36 next collapse

They do this to divide and conquer. It’s a ploy to take the attention from billionaires at the moment and focus on left and right politics

pyre@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 07:56 collapse

nope. the right is celebrating too. going by the Facebook post alone, the population of which should already lean right, implying that the left:right ratio is 60:2 is stupid, though not too stupid for a fucking troglodyte.

Katana314@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 01:48 next collapse

I’ve been pretty impressed that the shooter has so far evaded police. I can only imagine that there have been at least one or two incidents thus far where people, be it cops or witnesses, had a clear opportunity to take actions that would lead to his immediate capture, but decided not to.

From what I know, cops often rely on the cooperation of the public to resolve crimes, but they may not be getting any on this one.

frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe on 08 Dec 2024 15:51 collapse

I’m sure it helps that he was across two state lines before the search even began

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 08 Dec 2024 22:54 collapse

We don't know that... He could still be NYC lol

The Adjuster operating at a different level from the rest of us and it seems even pigs can't figure it.

Apparently FBI is helping them but I am not sure if this their wheel house their speciality is mostly pinning terrorists charges on retarded Muslim kid, organizing fake insurrections and kidnappings of governors.

bender223@lemmy.today on 08 Dec 2024 02:26 next collapse

GOOD! #good

Dremor@lemmy.world on 08 Dec 2024 18:29 next collapse

Went to the post, posted a laughing emoji. I’m French.

Guilherme@lemm.ee on 09 Dec 2024 23:04 collapse

Serious? People are reacting with laughing emojis? Really?

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