Something something and I’m tired of pretending it isn’t, etc. The only thing I feel bad about is if he has had young children who couldn’t understand he was a waste of skin, they have my sympathy.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:05
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Feel worse for the millions of children that are parentless due to his policy decisions. His kids will be FINE.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:11
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I would honestly go so far as to suggest that in the long term, not having this monster raise them (given they’ll still have plenty of money) probably leaves them better off.
zbyte64@awful.systems
on 06 Dec 2024 17:24
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These execs are scared their own children will ask them to explain what they do for a living. Doubt they raise their kids as much as they pay someone else to do it. That being said, Elmo’s kids are stuck on a compound. That’s definitely going to mess them up.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:29
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His kids are gonna be worse 20-40milliom per head.
They will be fine. I doubt they will ever understand why entire society turned on their parasite shitstain father.
They're already teenagers. The damage has been done, but hopefully this act will help them decide not to follow in their father's footsteps.
HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com
on 06 Dec 2024 17:13
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yeah alls his theoretical kids would have is millions of dollars, the best education, a lavish lifestyle, trust funds, but they would not have their asshole dad.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Dec 2024 17:26
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They aren’t theoretical, he did have children.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:46
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So do many people who have their claims denied....
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Dec 2024 18:26
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I didn’t dispute that?
Zangoose@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:31
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You can feel bad for his family while also not feeling bad about his death. Losing a loved one is hard regardless of how much money you have. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t ultimately a net positive (although I’m doubtful that UH will actually change any policies because of this)
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 18:40
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Don't the crime if you can't do the time?
That's the life his father chose for them.
moody@lemmings.world
on 06 Dec 2024 20:08
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I feel bad for his kids. They didn’t choose their parents.
His wife on the other hand did choose him, so fuck her too.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 21:01
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Aren't they already seperated?
So she is about to paid out big time with blood money he stole...
He and this wife didn’t choose their parents either (and any other contributing factors in their environment that made them who they are). Growing older doesn’t change the causes of the development of their brain, the cause of the choices you make, and if we could have saved them from becoming the person they did then we should.
With even the most evil people we can be sad they died but also happy they can’t do more evil. Uday Hussein, son of Saddam Hussein did some evil stuff and and if we could have prevented him from becoming the person he did when at age 8 or at age 18 then it’s the same.
OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca
on 06 Dec 2024 20:13
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Some of those who had claims denied are children.
Zangoose@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 21:34
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It isn’t impossible to feel bad for both?
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 21:57
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It is about priorities...
Zangoose@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 22:50
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What priorities are there? I’m talking about emotions, not actions.
You can feel bad for both the children of this guy that will now grow up without a father and the millions of people he harmed at the same time. I’m not even saying I feel equally as bad for his children as his victims’ children (because losing a parent to a preventable death due to insurance is objectively a worse situation). All I’m saying is it’s reasonable to feel sympathy for both. It’s not like the kids had a choice in what their dad did.
HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com
on 06 Dec 2024 19:34
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Well I did not know so until this moment for me it was theoretical. It does not matter but now I know.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:52
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Don’t forget the children whose siblings died due to insurance fuckery, and the parents who’ve lost children.
uberdroog@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 19:43
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Crying from the 3rd floor of their yacht…
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Dec 2024 19:18
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His kids have been profiting off of the death he had a hand in. They’ll be just fine in their ivory towers, whatever happens.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 06 Dec 2024 17:06
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This guy was willing to do it for free. Imagine if there was a bounty.
DemBoSain@midwest.social
on 06 Dec 2024 17:15
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Does he have a Patreon?
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:27
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Don't get scammed but if he ever needs a legal defense fund, I think the plebs can figure it out.
He did job well, least we can do it pay respects
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 06 Dec 2024 17:28
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Even if he did, any funds would be frozen. A Monero Address would be a better way of receiving money.
Edit: Mind you, I expect him to very soon be arrested, so he wouldn’t really have any time to enjoy it.
Edit 2: Look up Jim Bell. He wrote a very popular essay in the 90s.
nomous@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 19:47
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Edit 2: Look up Jim Bell. He wrote a very popular essay in the 90s.
This is one of the things that scares me about most about completely anonymous currencies and networks: untraceable kill orders and, to a lesser extent, unlimited bribery (that already exists in US). Because you know, it opens the most possibilities to people with money. Like billionaires.
Grimy@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 21:26
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We need a black market gofundme so we can crowd source hits to keep up.
I’m not sure we would outweigh them - you know the statistics, almost half the wealth (potential kill orders) is held by top 1.1%.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 07 Dec 2024 07:18
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I suspect billionaires and other people of high authority, especially, would be the first ones on the list. But your average everyday person is very unlikely to be on the list because they don’t have enough people who hate them.
grue@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:28
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TBF, we don’t know that. Might’ve been a paid hitman.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 06 Dec 2024 17:48
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According to the media, he made a lot of very amateur mistakes if that’s the case. Like leaving a water bottle and granola bar wrappers and being filmed on camera at a Starbucks.
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 04:15
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His DNA doesn’t need to be in any system. These days there are professionals that take DNA results and comb through the databases to find close relatives that are in the system. It’s how they caught the BTK Killer.
Starrifier@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 08 Dec 2024 17:41
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I think you’re thinking of the Golden State Killer (among many others). BTK was caught through digital forensics, not forensic genealogy.
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 18:18
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Has the Starbucks guy actually been confirmed as the same person? It looked like clearly a different jacket and backpack, I assumed that was either an accomplice or just an unfortunate lookalike, but I suppose he could have changed or it could just be odd lighting tricks.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 06 Dec 2024 18:17
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Josey_Wales@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:33
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Does he have an OnlyFans?
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 06 Dec 2024 17:47
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Anything sent like that would be frozen. Monero would be the better option.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca
on 06 Dec 2024 17:37
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When society gets to the point where you will die if you don’t do anything … or you will die if you do something …
Eventually people realize that they will be punished, threatened or endangered no matter what they do or don’t do, some people will come to the conclusion that they would rather go down fighting.
If you’re going to get screwed doing nothing, some would rather go out on a blaze of glory because they no longer have anything to lose.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 06 Dec 2024 17:46
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I am assuming that when this guy is caught, what we will find out is that his wife had cancer and died from it and they refused to honor their claims or something like that.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:51
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Hopefully it doesn’t come to that, and he just never gets caught.
If he does, it’s gonna be one hell of a gofundme campaign for his defense.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 06 Dec 2024 18:57
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Except the government will probably make GoFundMe freeze the funds for the campaign.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:59
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It’s a legal defense fund, not a bounty reward.
Granted, they’d probably still do so anyways.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
on 06 Dec 2024 19:06
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Oh, I’m almost certain that they would primarily because they would not want him having money to fight a legal battle.
if this dude gets found he won’t make it to trial.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 23:02
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It’s been 3 days, and the chances of them finding him go down with every day.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 09:01
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If I was him id be in the Appalachians camping by now with no internet or cell connected devices. Id just wait a month or two and move all of my shit out of new york, mind you he may not even be a New Yorker he could be Californian for all we know.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 16:11
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I legit think the state/oligarchy will kill him silently. Taking it to trial and giving this guy a voice could make things so much worse for them. They’re afraid of creating a robin hood, and class solidarity; of giving the working class a hero and cause to rally around.
They’re so close to creating a robot army that can suppress the masses. They just have to bide their time until revolution is impossible.
Dealing with insurance with a nonfatal chronic illness can also be infuriating. You have to keep fighting the same battle over and over and over again.
Falling Down was in my head this week. The number of people in the US that are close to it is so high, it’s barely fringe. Ironically Trump might just trigger a revolution when he tries to clamp down.
boogiebored@lemmy.world
on 11 Dec 2024 11:45
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Can we crowdfund this, and provide a crypto bounty as reward for targets, including politicians, in the same way there was a reward for information on the shooter?
This would be to let those who step out of line know how much disdain there is for any of them in particular at any given moment, and the rewards can be split as needed.
The proletariat needs alternative systems of leverage.
This is for my Purge sequel screenplay, of course. One can dream.
Who would’ve guessed reddit mods couldn’t grow a pair even if presented with a ball-growing pill
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Dec 2024 17:17
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In fact, a moderator from a subreddit we hadn’t reached out to for comment reached out because they heard we were contacting moderators to speak about this. They said every instance they were aware of of the surveillance video of Thompson’s death being removed had not been moderators—who, as a reminder, are unpaid volunteers—but Reddit’s paid administrator team that enforces the sitewide terms of use.
Sure, I’ve read both that and r/nursing parts; but I’m talking about those volunteers who do remove that stuff. I mean, yeah, promoting violence bad, and so on, but maybe the twatwaffles who refuse to build a proper universal healthcare system need to see that ppl support the shooter, and not the attempts of the community to censor itself?
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Dec 2024 17:09
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I’m not celebrating, I just think we should have a massive “Enjoy hell, Brian” wake, on the scale of Boston after the Red Sox won the world series for the first time in 80-something years. But nationwide.
jabathekek@sopuli.xyz
on 06 Dec 2024 18:16
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Kind of like being anywhere in Scotland when Margaret Thatcher died.
bizarroland@fedia.io
on 06 Dec 2024 17:10
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My only concern is that I hope this doesn't become an Archduke Ferdinand for an American Civil War part 2.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:13
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If that’s the case then it will just be the class war heating up because one side finally started fighting back.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:17
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So few of them, so many of us
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de
on 06 Dec 2024 17:16
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united healthcare? how many divisions do they have?
pivot_root@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 20:43
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They united the people against them. That’s living up to half the name, I guess.
MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:17
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But how…? Are Magas sad/angry that this happened? Most likely it’s the opposite. This is a poor/middle-class vs rich/ultra-wealthy scenario. I guess unless Fox tells/tricks them to be angry and blame liberals, but I’m sure plenty of them are not upset about this. I see it as “the enemy of my enemy” type deal.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:25
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This is the most united America has been since 911
gsfraley@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:08
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Yeah, even the MAGA people I know are like “aight, cool”
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 06 Dec 2024 19:21
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Over half the country voted for trump, the man who will make everything worse and who appeals to people’s most base instincts. Some of the worst mass shootings were under Trump.
I don’t think violence will necessarily be contained to Democrats and old style Republicans. The new right likes corruption, which includes POS health insurance companies.
HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com
on 06 Dec 2024 17:12
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unsuccessfully.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:12
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It’s one thing to mock it on pseudonymous platforms like Reddit and the fediverse.
It’s another to do it somewhere linked to your real name and job like LinkedIn.
People really hate insurance companies.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:17
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Don't do it under your names folks, regime will be making lists based on this.
They are scared and they will lash out.
With that being said, fuck that parasite.
FAFO
TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:41
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You think having a fake online name will stop them from finding out who you are? Did you even pay attention to the Snowden leaks?
paraphrand@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:05
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No, they said we already knew about that and didn’t give it another thought.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Dec 2024 18:13
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Make them spend more resources doing deanonymizations. First they have to get the IP from instance admins, then trace the tor routing, then the VPN that I use, then ask for my ISP. Make them do all that work.
(Or maybe they already have access by simply activating their backdoors within Intel ME, AMD PSP, and whatever baseband backdoor on the phones they have, and have just gotten everyone’s real identities in an instant, we can’t know for sure.)
They also have backdoors in most implementations of TLS, according to a person I know who worked government security.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Dec 2024 18:24
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It wouldn’t be impossible. There are like so many different certificate issuers, any one of them collaborating with a government would allow them to create a certificate that would be accepted by your browser.
Hawke@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 19:24
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Still takes more work than just giving them that information.
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 23:58
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I work in cryptography, and I guarantee if that’s true “some person you know who worked in government security” would not tell you if they did know, or they are pulling shit out of their ass. There have been so many people that have looked at or worked on SSL/TLS implementations (including some of my coworkers), any vulnerabilities would have to be pretty subtle or clever, and that would be kept highly classified. Quit making shit up or repeating bullshit you heard.
Sure, if we’re talking about code vulnerabilities only. It’s most likely a compromised root cert though.
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 02:41
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That just would allow a malicious attacker to fake being the server, it doesn’t actually compromise the TLS session. So you are talking about a much more sophisticated multi stage attack that needs to be actively executed. This wouldn’t at all allow them to record traffic and decrypt later.
The certs authenticate that you are talking to the real server, the symmetric session keys that are usually derived from a diffie helman key exchange have nothing to do with certs. That’s two separate (but connected) parts of the transaction to build a TLS session.
Right, this would be a MitM vulnerability, which could be reasonably viable for targeted attacks.
user224@lemmy.sdf.org
on 06 Dec 2024 19:18
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It is almost never a question of whether it’s possible or not. You WILL make a mistake. It’s just a question of how much effort you’re worth as an individual.
granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
on 06 Dec 2024 20:52
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right, don't make it easy for them. plus they got prolly got half a country to put on the list now.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
on 07 Dec 2024 00:12
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When everyone is on the list, noone is.
Ledivin@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:03
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lol @ thinking reddit is anonymous
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 18:39
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i was talking about people commenting on linkedin actually...
nor did I suggest reddit is anon, but aint you aint got provide your full name and address.
rockSlayer@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:19
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They already have lists. The only hope we have is to stand together in solidarity as the working class against the billionaire capitalists entering power.
Yeah if they fuck with me they will find for sure.
NotBillMurray@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:33
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LinkedIn is one of the least sane social media sites I’ve ever had the displeasure of using. Under all the marketing BS and obviously fake feel good stories lie takes that would make your insane Facebook uncle blush.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:37
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I used to work for a big data company that tracked shares to various social networks and the frequency with which people share porn to LinkedIn was remarkably high.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Dec 2024 18:17
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What?! How?! So I can learn to avoid it!
TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz
on 06 Dec 2024 23:01
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Maybe it was only-secretaries dot com.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 01:38
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I need a direct link to be sure
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 00:21
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People are too hung up about anonimity on the internet. When one of my country’s worst journalistic shitrags mandated a real name policy due to the rampant racism and other -isms in the comment section of their articles… nothing changed. People are happily spewing the same vile rethoric as before and proud to, instead of being shamed into silence.
Windex007@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:14
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Why the fuck would the moderators care about how much work it is to remove the posts.
TVA@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:16
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One of the mods said (in the article) that to their knowledge it's mostly the paid admins removing it not the unpaid moderators.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:22
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Regime whores doing regime's bidding
Windex007@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 17:30
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The quote I was referencing is this:
“People - Please don’t make the life of your mods a living hell. Anything that is celebrating violence is going to get taken down - if not from us, then from reddit. I think all the mods understand that there is a high level of frustration and antipathy towards insurance and insurance execs, but we also understand that murdering people in the streets is not good. We are a public group of medical professionals, we still need to act like that.”
The line about making their lives a living hell?
If you ever feel the need to type that in reference to your volunteer Reddit moderation… Stand up, go outside.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:40
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we also understand that murdering people in the streets is not good.
Cute of yout to assume plebs think of this guy as a human...
I am not sure about others bit I see a high ranking officer within corpo regime got taken out.
If someone is directly responsible for the deaths of millions of people and the courts hold the position that corporate profits outweigh human life, then yeah eventually someone is going to take matters into their own hands. The real question is, will this become a trend? For example, would anyone really be upset if all the would-be school shooters look at this as an example of how their frustrations could be used to make a real difference in the world? Imagine if CEOs were suddenly afraid of real-world consequences when their greed hurts people?
piecat@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 19:26
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Imagine letting an unpaid position on social media “make life hell”
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 19:47
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Well, first of all fuck reddit, but secondly: if you appreciate actual human moderation in any significant sense - it’s hard work.
Getting paid to do it is rare (again - fuck reddit, they should get off of there) but on any site that’s actually trying to honestly build or host a community it takes time to check the reports, message the people, log the entry all that shit. It’s a huge pain in the ass when something blows up, which is why neither you or I will likely ever be mods. When it’s the scale of reddit it’s bound to be a lot of scrambling until shit cools off again.
Windex007@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 21:19
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To be honest, I actually don’t really appreciate human moderation, so that’s probably biasing my position.
I can block communities. I can block users. I can set word filters.
If I block someone, I never have to hear from them again. If a moderator does, they’ll be back with a new account, and then I DO have to hear from them.
I’d far prefer a “federated” and crowdsourced mechanism to layer onto an extremely lightly moderated foundational layer.
If someone, or someones, want to curate a filter list that aligns with my sensibilities, awesome, I’ll opt in. I’ll contribute. If I bump into unresolvable issues with other filter curators I’ll fork the filter.
I don’t need or want a tiny subset of users working full time for free getting burnt out or going on power trip crusades.
They banned talking about the wrong kind of cat food, for Pete’s sake. I’m still not over that one.
frostysauce@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 23:55
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And I’ll proudly wear my ban from there.
zbyte64@awful.systems
on 06 Dec 2024 17:25
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Shareholders can’t stop talking about this one trick to make their stocks go up.
Milksteaks@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 06:29
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UHC cuts costs by $13 million, find out why CEOs hate this one simple trick
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Dec 2024 17:30
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The shot heard round the boardroom
chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz
on 06 Dec 2024 18:01
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Plural. Hopefully.
zbyte64@awful.systems
on 06 Dec 2024 19:52
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But that might actually solve climate change
granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
on 06 Dec 2024 20:49
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oil execs don't even pretend to be one of us... they roll around with full security detail...
ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net
on 06 Dec 2024 17:33
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He didn’t really get “assassinated”. He just got denied his critical-life benefits.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 17:38
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Exactly... Don't humaniE this parasite. Give him that corpo treatment.
Claim to life denied 🙅
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 21:33
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Sympathy witheld until forms can be obtained that prove that the bullet holes were not a pre existing condition.
TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz
on 06 Dec 2024 23:04
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Most humans are born with orifices, I think that counts.
TheFogan@programming.dev
on 06 Dec 2024 17:59
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Pre-existing condition, lead poisoning in a boomer.
GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca
on 06 Dec 2024 18:15
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This isn’t a generational thing. For a start, he’s technically Gen X, not a boomer. And secondly, I’m older than him and I’m just as happy about that as everyone else.
granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
on 06 Dec 2024 20:48
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While boomer is deff age, when people refer to it online it largely mind sent reference... that parasite pest leeching on working people and feel entitled to do it, indigent when exposed.
You know the type...
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 01:41
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(Gen X voted for Trump at a higher rate than boomers)
GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca
on 07 Dec 2024 02:40
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Which is really really sad. When I was younger I used to think we just need these old people to age out of the system and my generation can do things better. We seem to be doing significantly worse.
(Gen X voted for Trump at a higher rate than boomers)
That’s really sad because the younger someone is the more they are going to be fucked by the long term effects of Donald Trainwreck’s enshitification of everything. Nuclear proliferation from the new world disorder, global warming, hyperinflation of the national debt due to gigantic tax cuts for the billionaire elites, hollowing out democracy, normalization of corruption, normalization of routine dishonesty, huge economic inefficiencies that comes with wealth inequality, removal of previous rights like abortion, vast increase in government incompetency, etc
raynethackery@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:16
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He was actually GenX.
frostysauce@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 23:31
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You’ve seen pictures of him right? Just how fucking young do you think boomers are?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 01:40
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Boomer, n. “A privileged asshole who keeps fucking things up for everyone else.”
If that doesn’t apply to you, they’re not insulting you.
frostysauce@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 02:18
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You can’t just make up a definition of a word.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 02:29
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That’s literally how words are made fam
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 04:13
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The OED would liy to know your location.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 04:45
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The OED is quite accepting of multiple definitions that develop over time! They love citing first known usage, it gets them hard as diamonds.
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 06:17
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The OED, like all dictionaries, goes by usage. One person using a word in a different way, is never going to make it.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 08:25
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All definitions start somewhere, and, just fyi:
“Ok Boomer” wasn’t actually directed at boomers before decrepit millennials stole it from the youths. It was directed at people with the toxic mindset associated with conservativism and “old fashioned” opinions on social issues.
The kinds of asshole that climb up a ladder and kick it down behind them.
but the piece that truly brought him to international attention was Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima (see threnody and atomic bombing of Hiroshima), written in 1960 for 52 string instruments. In it, he makes use of extended instrumental techniques (for example, playing behind the bridge, bowing on the tailpiece).
Oh WOW!
That’s…something else entirely.
So violent! Yet also subtle and quiet.
Yields immediate visceral reactions.
The entire instrument is so thoroughly explored.
How does one remember such a piece?
Or keep the original bow and strings to the end?
Striking. Marvelous. Beautiful. I’m all for it.
An amendment of something conjured by it:
It’s not safe out here.
It’s wonderous; with treasures vibrations to satiate desires both subtle and gross, but it’s not for the timid.
foggenbooty@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 04:16
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It’s hard to tell. It looks deep like a cello, but the bridge doesn’t look quite high enough. Maybe at the tardigrade scale stringed instruments are made a little differently.
GaMEChld@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 19:25
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🐻
peopleproblems@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:42
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You know what’s pretty neat about this?
It’s not mob justice. Mob justice is when people get together and come up with bad ideas. This is an individual that the public has now rallied around.
While we only see comments from a select few number of people in this country (relative to it’s size of 350m) it seems that democracy is voicing itself. I know a lot of people who were initially shocked, but then quickly came to the conclusion that FAFO is a real thing.
And health insurance companies have done a lot of fucking around.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:55
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And health insurance companies have done a lot of fucking around.
Hopefully more of the FO part comes out of the woodwork.
zbyte64@awful.systems
on 06 Dec 2024 19:08
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This guy is probably gonna get folk songs in TikTok by now
granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
on 06 Dec 2024 20:46
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We don't know the implications of this. But there got to be something big coming our way.
Ruling class will not have their lieutenant punished like this in a broad day light with out lashing out.
They already despise as is, they gonna step up brutality imho screw here, screw there.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 23:08
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That’s just going to pour gas on the fire. The less people have to lose, the more likely they’re going to take matters into their own hands.
granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
on 06 Dec 2024 23:12
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You aint wrong but ruling class can'[t accept one of their officers being gunned down by what appears to be a pleb with vendetta and he get away with it while rest of us cheer him on as a hero.
This is about power, and the the people with power feeling insecure.
Time will tell. I expect things to get worse before/if they ever get better for the working class.
SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Dec 2024 23:16
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History is rhyming again.
Disaster@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Dec 2024 23:59
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Suggest reading about the circumstances running up to the storming of the Bastille.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
on 07 Dec 2024 00:10
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“Mob justice” is a boogeyman invented to distract you from the fact that the cops and the state give you no justice at all.
MisterFrog@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 01:37
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It’s not even mob justice, it’s vigilante justice. It just so happens in this case practically everyone is pretty happy about it having happened.
The mob never called for this CEO’s death, we’re just not sad he was killed. Even if in general most of us wouldn’t actively call for people to be killed.
If it makes CEOs afraid, then fantastic, a nice happy side-bonus.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
on 07 Dec 2024 02:27
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Yeah, and that’s all true, but in the comment I replied to was room for the implication that “mob justice” is a problem somehow.
We’re told it would be chaos, some great threat to society, but like, the only examples of mobs that I can think of doing any real damage are groups whose immediate aims were supported by the ruling class. Lynchings in the US south were openly permitted and encouraged by the entrenched white supremacist police state. Witch burnings were encouraged by the state to disenfranchise women from power over their own bodies, and they laid the foundations for capitalism.
Then those horrific examples of state oppression are presented to us as examples of the horrors that await if we were to ever stop bowing to that same state and take matters into our own hands.
Even if the person making the comment didn’t intend to reinforce that notion, it’s a default assumption for many people and I didn’t want it to stand unchallenged.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
on 07 Dec 2024 00:25
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Not a lot of finding out so far though.
kambusha@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 07:32
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Fuck Around, Find Out?
popekingjoe@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 11:15
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You got it.
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
on 07 Dec 2024 09:39
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Is karma.
Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:50
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Good. Let the celebration continue.
cm0002@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 18:54
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Hopefully dude never gets caught (Which he probably won’t as it’s now been greater than 48 hours, and we all know what that means if you’ve seen The First 48)
But if he does, it’s going to be awfully hard putting together a jury that hasn’t heard of JURY NULLIFICATION
krashmo@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 19:26
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48 hours is only for regular cases with one or two cops assigned. High profile stuff like this gets considerably more attention and resources for a longer period of time
Grimy@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 21:23
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At this point, I don’t even think they want to catch him anymore. He’s already being talked about as a hero, throwing him in jail would make him a martyr. People would protest at the trial too, it would be a mess.
BigDiction@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 21:33
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First 48 is about finding a victim alive. Murderers are commonly identified and caught outside that window.
sudo@programming.dev
on 07 Dec 2024 05:17
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If they catch him they will kill him.
spirinolas@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 14:27
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Exactly. There’s no way they’ll allow him to speak his mind or allow the people to rally in his support in a huge trial. They find him, he’s dead. The “how” they’ll figure it out. Happy cop trigger, killed while trying to escape, heart attack, attacked by a bear, hit by meteorite. They’ll come up with something, mark my words.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 16:33
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He should walk into a news organisation lobby and ask to be arrested there
Chekhovs_Gun@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 18:02
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And then they’ll kill him while waiting for a trial.
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 21:17
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But the world would know it was murder and not “resisting arrest”
stephen01king@lemmy.zip
on 07 Dec 2024 22:52
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Would that change anything in a country where Trump is re-elected?
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 08:52
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The cynic in me says nothing matters and nothing ever changes, the ideologe says it gives people ideas, ideas that build up and can one day turn into action.
stephen01king@lemmy.zip
on 08 Dec 2024 09:43
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Well, let’s hope the second part of you is right.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 06 Dec 2024 19:19
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Why contain it? S’cool.
reksas@sopuli.xyz
on 06 Dec 2024 19:23
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first shot of the revolution
superkret@feddit.org
on 06 Dec 2024 19:46
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TIL Reddit has paid employees, for what they call the “modcoc team”.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 19:53
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“United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson’s final KD ratio (7,652,103:1) lands him among the all time greats,” a thread deleted by r/interestingasfuck moderators said.
moody@lemmings.world
on 06 Dec 2024 20:03
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By definition, none of the kills are his. They’re all assists.
ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 06 Dec 2024 20:44
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Still pretty impressive ratio though
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 01:34
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KDA is perfectly valid, some classes just don’t do any work themselves.
joel_feila@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 22:26
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I would pay for that to be his grave stone
jagged_circle@feddit.nl
on 07 Dec 2024 04:56
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It only costs one bottle of spray paint
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Dec 2024 15:49
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They’re gonna have to put this dipshit’s grave on private property.
sdcSpade@lemmy.zip
on 06 Dec 2024 20:18
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Why contain it? Let it spill over to the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end, they’ll beg us to save them.
Bob Page, 2052
granolabar@kbin.melroy.org
on 06 Dec 2024 20:42
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Let it spill over to the schools and churches,
That's what the regime wants, whoever executed topic of the current discussion knew that they could tap this raw anger.
Note how witness was left alone... if he killed the witness, this would be a different story.
Clean murder of a corporate parasite, galvanized the public. Zero tears shed, people are celebrating.
There is a lesson for the elites in this... but they won't learn it. They will regroup and oppression will get worse. They will use full force of the state against working people.
This is just the start.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 22:11
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And they will somehow think that they escape unscathed.
ninekeysdown@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 22:31
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Yeap, the more they squeeze the more people will have less to loose. Now that it’s been done once people see it’s possible. People see how it’s being celebrated. Hopefully this will replace shoot shootings. Because politicians don’t care about dead kids but they’ll as hell care about CEOs being merc’d. Maybe we’ll get some meaningful reforms out of this and change some business practices too.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 01:01
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I just want to say I haven’t seen “merc’d” used quite so eloquently before, well done.
tabular@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 20:56
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One of r/InterestingAsFuck’s rules is “No politics,” which a moderator for the subreddit told us is the reason it was removed.
A rule for arbitrarily deleting any post on an ill-defined idea that some topics are not political. Why even say such an unreasonable thing when you can just say supporting violence is against site-wide rules?
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 06 Dec 2024 21:25
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I bet because nobody was actually supporting violence just gloating BC parasite got FAFO
Passerby6497@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 23:04
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One of r/InterestingAsFuck’s rules is “No politics,” which a moderator for the subreddit told us is the reason it was removed.
That is such a stupid rule, because everything is politics.
I guess the idea of material reality isn’t part of communism, good to know.
spujb@lemmy.cafe
on 07 Dec 2024 00:50
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i don’t know if you noticed what site you are on, most people here are at the very least friendly with the notion of communism even if you were right about this
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 01:35
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they may be friendly with the notion of communism, but apparently don’t know much about communist ideology, because according to dialectical materialism, yes everything is political, from where you work, what you have/use, the food on your plate, and even the thoughts you think are all inherently tied to politics as politics is the ordering of society, and society is a core and indispensable part of the human condition
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Dec 2024 00:53
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Can you list something non political?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 01:36
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Broccoli.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Dec 2024 01:42
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You don’t think farming is political? O.o
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 06:10
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I speak of the Platonic ideal of broccoli, please don’t sully it with your crude materialism.
Who came up with this ideal? Why did they define it like that? Are there better ways to define broccoli? Why do we call it broccoli? What’s the meaning of politics and therefore political? Who… Fuck.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 11:54
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1: Some Italian I guess.
2: Because it be like that.
3: No.
4: Italians speak funny.
5: Everything but broccoli.
6: Anyone that consents as long as you don’t hurt nobody.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 03:32
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Farm subsidies, ad subsidies for that sector, pesticide use and regulation for vegetables, labor laws for harvesting, etc. etc.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 06:11
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Just broccoli. That other stuff is the politics surrounding the pure form.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 13:45
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If you don’t think food is political, you’re not paying attention. ‘Every society is three meals from chaos’
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz
on 07 Dec 2024 05:20
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Anarchism. Anarchism is just people working together to topple unjust states with violence if need be. No need for voting or governments or corporations to get involved.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 09:56
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Anarchism is literally a political philosophy. It’s profoundly political.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz
on 07 Dec 2024 10:08
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Yeah, but it’s less political than everything else drag can think of
Passerby6497@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 13:43
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Less political != Non political
Again, everything is politics.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 14:12
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I’d actually say it’s significantly more political than most. It’s a philosophy about the nature of political and economic power.
It’s hard to get more political than a political philosophy. About the only way is to find one whose proponents are particularly debate-y and prone to infighting, and fond of byzantine governing arrangements to avoid entrenched or coercive positions of power.
Anarchism is typically focused on opposition to coercive or involuntary ruling arrangements. It’s beenpoliticized as being in favor of chaos by people on the powerful end of said arrangements.
Because they’re against hierarchy, anarchist social arrangements typically require much more political involvement than others.
dragonfucker@lemmy.nz
on 07 Dec 2024 14:38
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In drag’s opinion, involving someone in politics without their knowledge or consent is more political than simply teaching them to value and engage with politics of their free will. The consent violation makes it more political.
Also in a liberal capitalist society, everything is politicised because everything costs money. In an anarchist society you just go to the grocer and take some food home. Under a capitalist regime, you have to exchange money backed by the state which represents a social construct of value exchange just to buy some bananas. It’s weird.
Birch@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 07:43
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Your mom!
Lemminary@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 01:32
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material conditions mean everything, every action you take, every opportunity you have, every thing you buy, literally all of it, is influenced by politics.
Politics is simply the organization of society, and as a human without society you have nothing, you would have to slave away for years just to make a standard no°2 pencil, and even that is influenced by politics because it takes a society to raise a person.
Why even say such an unreasonable thing when you can just say supporting violence is against site-wide rules?
No one who thinks that hard is still moderating at reddit.
jordanlund@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 21:46
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The poor News mods here are looking forward to mundane Spam removals at this point.
harmsy@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 22:57
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Insurance companies hate this one weird trick! Find out more at spamwebsite.tk!
frostysauce@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 23:44
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Fuck 'em.
SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 01:44
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How about mundane spelling mistake bans?
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 06 Dec 2024 22:05
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I’m telling ya, this is the beginning of A Christmas Carol. The ghost of Thompson needs to visit his colleagues and warn them you too, shall die, and no-one will mourn you and the people will celebrate in the streets. And all your friends will tear into your assets like vultures into carrion.
Heck, replace the ghosts with mobsters and use a trick of time rather than supernatural spirits, and you have a 21st century version of the story.
peopleproblems@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 22:09
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Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 22:36
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Well, the news is now out that these corporate fatcats are not as untouchable as they think
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 06 Dec 2024 22:39
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just wait until tr*mp kills section 230
58008@lemmy.world
on 06 Dec 2024 23:24
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What I like about this moment is that the people who ought to be fearful are indeed the ones who are fearful. I mean shit, Elon is posting Tweets about how great CEOs are actually, health insurance companies are removing pages from their websites that identify leadership, it’s a lovely little pocket of schadenfreude where we can all take a breath and prepare for the next 4 years.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 07 Dec 2024 00:10
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These parasites know that we got numbers on our side and we permit their rule by and large...
I don't think this corp of owners realize that plebs can turn on a dime, they got too comfortable. This is a wake up call.
Having their goon wacked like this got to make them feels a certain way hehe
I couldn’t help but notice Blue Cross rescinded its very dangerous policy placing a time limit on anesthesia the day after the murder.
I don’t want a reign of terror, but perhaps just a little bit of terror will have CEOs thinking they could be next when considering especially harmful policies.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 01:33
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Finding out after you’ve fucked around isn’t terror.
Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. This guy’s a vigilante.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 07 Dec 2024 01:40
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dessimbelackis@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 02:31
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Just a light drizzle of terror
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 07 Dec 2024 06:20
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Thats okay because its not terror its defense.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 09:52
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No, it’s terror. It’s just that that isn’t always the negative we’ve tended to think it is.
Typically we’ve been citizens in a country on the “power” side of the dynamic, so using terror like that meant using it on us, and so we learned that it’s bad.
This time we’re on the other side of the power dynamic, so it’s seemingly… Good.
The bad thing being good creates cognitive dissonance.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
on 07 Dec 2024 15:52
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This is a direct consequence of “the war on terror” attempting to redefine the military strategy of asymmetrical warfare as terrorism and inherently immoral.
To sell the bullshit “war on terror” the easiest way to make the US seem righteous was to degrade the public’s sense of why people violently resist and reduce it to the act of violently resisting an organized traditional military is immoral unless the thing resisting is also a traditional organized military.
I am glad that narrative is breaking down though as the distortion of how and why violent conflicts occur is dangerously blinding to a basic understanding of the world.
Robespierre thought killing tens of thousands of people was defense. History has not been kind to that position.
in4aPenny@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 04:03
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Good thing there’s only 2066 of them. 2065 now.
gaael@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 10:16
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In France, during the Nazi occupation in WW2, a few people turned to the Resistance movement which was also a terror operation: they would target military objectives but also conduct assassinations of nazi officials designed to inspire fear in the others and spark support in the population.
On yet another front, the Greek resistance would kill Nazis. In retaliation, Nazis would kill whole villages. Enraged, more Greeks would join the resistance and kill more Nazis. Net result: Towards the end pretty much every Greek was in the resistance and Greece was the only (IIRC, or at least the first or something) country to free itself from Nazi occupation. (Then they became a dictatorship different story).
model_tar_gz@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 14:52
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And you just reminded me of a movie from a show and let’s just say I recommend both.
winterayars@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 19:35
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Technically they didn’t fully rescind it. They rescinded it in some places but not others, and for some patients but not others. It’s just PR, they have no intention of actually changing things.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 17:13
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‘We have to wait for elections to attempt to fix anything’ is just something we’ve been brainwashed to believe.
Enough people deciding they want change immediately makes it happen. Especially when those at the reigns fear immediate backlash.
winterayars@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 19:34
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Elections were the deal. We’d vote for representatives and abide by their decisions rather than, y’know, killing people in the streets to change society.
When elections can’t change society, though. When the deal is broken, it’s back to the old ways.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 19:50
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Yep. The social contract has been destroyed. Time to stop holding up our end of it.
Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Dec 2024 01:08
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Elections are theater as long as corporate campaign funding exists.
Odd_so_Star_so_Odd@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 08:50
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Yea we feast on their money while they get to serve it up voluntarily to stay clear of the guillotine.
DancingBear@midwest.social
on 08 Dec 2024 13:52
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I don’t want their money. It’s blood money, kind of like blood diamonds….
Buttons@programming.dev
on 07 Dec 2024 04:30
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On the 4th of July, American’s don’t celebrate that British soldiers were killed, we celebrate the society we won in the process.
jagged_circle@feddit.nl
on 07 Dec 2024 04:53
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You think the “shot heard round the world” didn’t hit someone?
We have to start somewhere and celebrate the early battles as well as the war’s outcome
redisdead@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 12:52
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I mean back in the day, there’s a solid chance that shot was way off target.
btaf45@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 17:20
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When the war was still going on, they probably did celebrate the number of enemy killed.
verdantOrange@reddthat.com
on 07 Dec 2024 19:23
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So, you’re saying that Americans are at a civil war against their upper class?
Kolanaki@yiffit.net
on 07 Dec 2024 05:26
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Thank fuck Lemmy isn’t owned by corporate interests that need other corporate interests to advertise on them or it’d be happening here, too.
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 07 Dec 2024 06:19
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.world does it voluntarily.
NickwithaC@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 08:37
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This is the top post on all of Lemmy right now and it’s in a .world community.
antidenialistbot@lemmings.world
on 07 Dec 2024 12:19
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They tuned the censorship down after the backlash.
madcaesar@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 15:02
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I think we’ve all been conditioned to clutch pearls at the news like this.
But ironically Trump has removed any and all decorum. Even when he was shot, people gave no shits, because he’s a piece of shit that gives no shits.
So here we are. There’s still some that want to “virtue signal” because violence and hate is never the answer! Meanwhile people are being ground into desperation, so your pearl clutching can get fucked.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 16:21
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And the sense of entitlement people on a FREE WEBSITE is ridiculous. How many of the people complaining about .world censorship help pay for the sever?
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Dec 2024 00:04
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I don’t pay for .world nor it’s micromanaging moderators and admins. Never have, never would for such a place.
Next time I get a bit of extra cash I will donate to my instance however.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 00:37
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And if you’re posting there and bitching about it, that’s your problem, not .world’s.
No one is forcing you to post there and no one is under any obligation to do what you want in terms of server rules. Sorry, .world is not there to cater to you or anyone else in specific. If your instance has different rules, post there and don’t bitch about the ones in .world.
And no one is forcing you to reply. We will post wherever we want, and bitch about whatever we want, anywhere we want. You seem to feel like you actually are .world, so go ahead and ban everyone who doesn’t bow down to arbitrary garbage. No wonder no one ever has anything positive to say about you squid, it sucks to suck. Be better.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 11:40
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I see, so you can post and bitch whenever you want, but I’m not allowed to.
Why am I different?
And if I’m not different, why are you complaining about me bitching about what I want?
Who says you’re not allowed to? Regular users don’t have the ability to ban you. But you have the ability to ban users, an ability you abuse regularly with what looks like a pitiable “I am the king of .world” god complex. It’s sad that you seem to lack the bandwidth to understand how you as a mod are different to regular users. But it explains a lot.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 12:28
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So I have a “god complex,” but I also have more power than regular users and that makes me different from them.
That seems contradictory.
But please do find an example within, say, the last month where I banned someone for doing anything other than violating stated rules in the sidebar or Lemmy ToS. Go for it. This will be like the guy in another thread yesterday who claimed repeatedly that I’m a Zionist and when I asked them to find one single comment where I said anything where I supported Israel they said they were done talking to me.
So good luck proving your lie too.
Also, you sure implied I wasn’t allowed to bitch. Did you forget your last comment?
Isn’t it odd how people in random threads repeatedly seem to not like you, because of your moderating? To a degree that your name pops up anytime someone wants an example of a shitty mod? If everyone you meet is an asshole, perhaps you’re the asshole? But no, it’s not you that’s out of touch, it’s the children who are wrong.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 14:05
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I see. You have no evidence for your lie, so you’ve moved on to insults.
Incidentally, all you are doing is punching down on someone who is already aware that he’s a horrible person and far inferior to you and most other people and has been aware of it his entire life, but keep doing it if it makes you feel better. Don’t worry, I’m going to be dead in four years anyway if it all works out.
Hey, if you truly are terminally ill in some way, I’m very sorry for that. But also, it’s shameful to retreat and hide behind “I’m gonna die in four years, so you’re a bad person for calling me out on my bullshit” after you’ve been chastising people everywhere. Being terminally ill doesn’t give people a cart blanche to act in any way they want and not get called out for it. If the discourse on Lemmy is too much, you could also stop being a mod, stop acting holier than thou, or stop using Lemmy altogether and enjoy your time offline. Here, you’re not a terminally ill person, you’re flying squid the mod. If you can’t take the heat, you should consider getting out of the kitchen instead of crying foul when you get called out.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 14:53
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You’re not a bad person for calling me out. I deserve it.
What I don’t deserve is you lying about me. There is no need when I’m already inferior to you in almost every possible way.
Also, I don’t believe for a minute that you’re sorry. Not when you’ve made your hatred for me very clear.
Nah, I don’t hate you, you’re not significant enough to me to hate. And whether you want to believe it or not, I do feel sorry that human beings are forced to endure hardships that are imposed on them, like a terminal illness for example.
I just find you to be a bit sad and pathetic, completely unrelated to your self declared illness, which I was unaware of until today and which in any case is irrelevant to the conversation at hand. And you just keep finding new ways of validating that assessment.
I’m done with this conversation, I think I made myself about as clear as I am able to do.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 16:58
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Sure. You go around hurling insult after insult at people you think are “sad and pathetic.” I know I’m an idiot, but I’m not that stupid.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Dec 2024 02:24
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Holy shit this thread is hilariously pathetic on FS’ part.
You hate me!
“No? I just don’t like bad moderation.”
You hate me! Because I’m ill!
“…No? What does that do with anything?”
You want me to stop replying to anything and everything?! You’re the weirdo!
God damn, FS makes me just think .world is a containment instance like Hexbear.
sgnl@midwest.social
on 08 Dec 2024 06:09
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The positions you take lately, and the arguments you make lately are increasingly disappointing.
No one owes .world anything… If those in control make questionable decisions, they are going to be called out regardless of aggressive moderation, it’s all federated, kinda the point.
“Can’t take he heat, get out of the kitchen…” and all that jazz…
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 11:39
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it’s all federated, kinda the point.
So find some other free server that doesn’t have the rules you hate. Isn’t that the point?
I’m sorry, but throwing a fit because a bunch of volunteers on a free website aren’t letting you have your way is just childish.
AhismaMiasma@lemm.ee
on 08 Dec 2024 18:04
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Common Squid L
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 09 Dec 2024 02:26
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Bulk Common Squid L in this entire thread
expr@programming.dev
on 08 Dec 2024 10:55
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Not sure why you’re out here defending hugely unpopular behavior.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 11:38
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I’m not defending anything. I’m accusing a bunch of people who think they’re owed something on a free website of being children with a massive sense of entitlement.
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 14:06
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Why is not being censored being owed something? Your brain is trash.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 14:07
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Because you do not have a right to not be censored. And since you’ve decided to insult rather than argue, I think there’s no need to continue this discussion.
And yes, I’m aware my brain, and the rest of me, is trash. I don’t know why people have to constantly tell me I’m inferior to them when I’m already aware of it. It’s like people who tell fat people they’re fat.
Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
cro_magnon_gilf@sopuli.xyz
on 07 Dec 2024 10:36
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Can’t complain if you’re gonna play the same game for the other side…
Deceptichum@quokk.au
on 07 Dec 2024 10:55
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I’m not.
Machinist@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 05:43
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Man, this shit just keeps being funny. The longer it stays funny, the better it affects all involved.
Fuck the media for treating this murder as super important. This is something that only wealthy elites care about.
Jarix@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 19:02
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Im only respond to your words: that only wealthy elites care about.
Pedant warning. By responding you are agreeing to a very narrow discussion. Thank you for engaging this point of contention if you choose to do so.
This is inaccurate. my proof is that I know people who are unhappy with the mob mentality around murder being okay. People who dont even make as much as i do, and while i consider myself poor, i recognize im above my areas minimum wage. Additonally I am not a wealthy elite and care about this to the degree that it could be a problem for us non elites if things go badly
I personally midly concerned about what problems this might be showing us. Im not in a position to address or research them and dont claim that what i can see might happen is going to happen. Im opposed to people basing significant hardline stances on unproven and or untested assumptions and predictions. But I do see, without much difficulty or effort, how mobs and pitchforks are rarely proven to be acting on good faith rationality.
So all im asking here is for you to contemplate why you were comfortable making such an easily arguable word choice and if you could be more precise in the future when you really are passionate about an argument you are making.
Okay but why is the media treating this as more important than every other murder? It’s not. That’s what people are mad about. If anything, it is less important, since the motivation is something that not a threat to the general public.
But if the media didn’t blew it up so much, we wouldn’t get all these memes.
Its the Streisand in full effect.
daggermoon@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 06:50
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Is anything remotely likely to change as a result of this on a systemic level or otherwise?
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 07:11
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I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess nope. What do I win?
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 07:14
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Maybe some future school shooter wannabe will notice that they barely even report on school shootings anymore, and Uvalde even reelected the piece of shit sheriff that let all those kids die. Maybe they will see this shooter being treated like some kind of hero, and decide to hunt Billionaires or CEOs instead.
After enough of those, the world will be drastically improved, or the surviving billionaires will finally bring about some real gun control legislation.
Glasgow@lemmy.ml
on 07 Dec 2024 09:25
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Elons carrying his kids around as human shields so there’s that.
infinite_ass@leminal.space
on 07 Dec 2024 23:49
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Correct me if I’m wrong but Elon did nothing to compare with what Brian did.
djsoren19@yiffit.net
on 07 Dec 2024 09:37
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I’m not sure, but locals tagged “Deny, Defend, Depose” near me. If nothing else, seems there’ll be good branding made of it.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 07:10
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Everybody who sees the hitman as a social justice vigilante is gonna report back here when we find out it was some personal bullshit, right?
spacesatan@leminal.space
on 07 Dec 2024 08:42
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Oh no, stop, don’t do the right thing for the wrong reason
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Dec 2024 12:18
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What “personal bullshit” would lead to Deny, Depose, Defend?
SparrowHawk@feddit.it
on 07 Dec 2024 12:40
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Yes it was fucking personal. Maybe he lost someone because of the company. Either way social justice IS personal, for all of us. Wether you believe it or not, injustice affects all of us
Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com
on 07 Dec 2024 13:48
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What do you mean? I hope it was personal too. I’m already experiencing the catharsis vicariously.
frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe
on 08 Dec 2024 15:58
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If it turns out he was a shareholder disappointed with his latest dividend, yes I would be sad. That’s my line.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 09:35
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Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Dec 2024 09:55
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I think this is as funny as the next person but realistically what will change?
Won’t they just elect another scumbag and keep going?
newDayRocks@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 10:02
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At least some health insurance companies are temporarily easing up on denials or pausing shitty policies like limiting anthensia coverage during surgery.
That alone could save a few hundred lives, even if just for a little while.
Scrollone@feddit.it
on 07 Dec 2024 10:43
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Not if something also happens to the next one and the following one and so on.
wabafee@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 12:47
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I think it’s a precedent, CEOs actually have something to fear aside from their job. Which usually fails upward with a good serverance package. This is also a sign that the Government and the laws of the land no longer works for the people. It’s a good and a bad thing either way. Personally I think it’s a huge mistake we made companies as a person. I think this is were the root cause is. Since it disconnects the accountability of the people working especially the higher ups.
evilcultist@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 12:55
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If they’re a person it should go all the way. They should be able to go on trial for homicide. Some states still have the death penalty for people. Disband the company if it commits serious crimes.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 17:07
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While still jailing those who made the decisions and performed the illegal actions.
downhomechunk@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 16:02
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I think they’ll all get their companies to pay for security details and armored cars. It’ll make them feel even more self-important.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 17:06
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Then hopefully someone shows security details and armored cars are easily taken care of with homemade devices.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it
on 07 Dec 2024 12:52
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The assassination reminded us that they are not some sort of incorporeal beings, but that they can be killed.
lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Dec 2024 16:18
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Hard to predict.
This act broke the taboo against violence and shattered the perception of powerlessness. Turns out there is something you can do against these assholes, and it’s not as unpopular an option as you might have expected.
It may inspire imitation, emboldening other pissed victims. It may scare the other CEOs into treading more carefully. It might embolden progressive politicians to challenge the status quo, now that they see how popular that can be.
Or it might end up a big ball of hot air that doesn’t do anything. Like I said, hard to predict.
Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 07 Dec 2024 17:22
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If all the disaffected white teens stopped shooting up schools and started shooting CEOs, it’s not healthy, but they would be channeling their anger in a better direction.
ericbomb@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 16:37
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I mean that’s a fair thought.
But even by USA capitalist standards, this specific man was a monster who in a just world wouldn’t be allowed to be in charge of anything. The world is slightly better off without such a greedy and heartless man in it.
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca
on 07 Dec 2024 17:32
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Nothing will change unless it becomes a recurring and common thing.
How many people can actually pull off a successful assassination of a wealthy person? Not many, especially now that security is going to go up.
Nothing will change, but at least that one guy got some revenge.
el_abuelo@programming.dev
on 07 Dec 2024 17:40
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And that one guy got his comeuppance
yemmly@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 17:43
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Assassinating is so easy a child could do it. It’s getting away with it that’s hard.
glitchdx@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 21:54
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not a problem for people with nothing left to lose.
KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Dec 2024 23:04
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If only it were easier to organize into teams without being infiltrated by disguised fed boys, but only the right is allowed to do that.
stevedice@sh.itjust.works
on 07 Dec 2024 19:35
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Well, if you don’t wanna celebrate a monster dying just for the sake of it, we can look at it from an environnent perspective, taking that pos out did more for the environnent than Green Peace has in the last 10 years.
frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe
on 08 Dec 2024 15:53
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Yes, your advocating for killing the entire board of directors is the right move. Another route would be to kill off all of the large institutional investors like fidelity, JP Morgan etc who put that board in place. But that’s about where the buck stops. Sadly those people are better at being faceless so it’s harder, but it would also work for all public companies (for example Boeing, or John Deere, or all of the other more notably evil companies lately)
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 11:47
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.world is in the EU. The same laws that apply to inciting hate or violence against “The Jews” or “The Blacks” also apply to “The CEOs”. And the same laws that apply to Facebook also apply to lemmy.
antidenialistbot@lemmings.world
on 07 Dec 2024 12:18
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According to Piaget, most children go through three stages of ethical behavior. The first one is rule-based (daddy said so), the second one is based on opposition, the third one takes the context into account to emit a sensible ethical judgment.
Of course, a lot of people never get to stage 2. They stay rule-based all their life. What a pity.
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 13:58
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I don’t think it has much to do with ethics in the usual sense. It’s all about tribal allegiance. Facebook and the like are the enemy. Anything that seems to bother the enemy is cheered. There is no thought that laws apply generally. It reminds me of that old internet meme about conservatism. There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
I think you could make a serious argument that the CEO killing was self-defense. But it’s not going to really change anything. Maybe the successor is less ruthless but they will be making decisions in the same social context; facing the same incentives and disincentives.
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 15:27
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An armed society is a polite society. I’ve never believed that. I still don’t. There doesn’t seem to be much of a connection between gun ownership and access to health care.
HelloHotel@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 15:47
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I agree. It leads to problems of its own.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 15:59
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I can think of one disincentive in particular they probably wouldn’t have considered before a couple days ago
SparrowHawk@feddit.it
on 07 Dec 2024 12:38
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CEO is not an identity, nor minority. It’s a political and economical position
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it
on 07 Dec 2024 12:50
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It should be unnecessary to point this out, but here we are
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 14:06
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That’s not how the law works.
If anyone wants it a little more precise. Lemmy.world claims Dutch and German jurisdiction. An English translation of one relevant German statute may be found here (§130, but also note §131): www.gesetze-im-internet.de/…/englisch_stgb.html#p…
SparrowHawk@feddit.it
on 07 Dec 2024 15:24
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Yeah but i don’t care abt the law
wavebeam@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 15:29
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Yeah what’re they gunna do to me, double Dutch my ass in another country for posting a meme?
SparrowHawk@feddit.it
on 07 Dec 2024 15:39
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Meme police gonna f u up
Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 16:09
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Fuck the police.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 08 Dec 2024 23:07
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Coming straight from the Fediground
General_Effort@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 18:01
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The people operating the platform may be fined if they don’t moderate according to their local law.
I’ve seen people here often cheer for the EU standing up to Big Tech. Well, this, too, is EU regulations.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 14:00
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Won’t someone think of the poor CEOs!?
NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 14:27
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I was born into a poor family if genetic CEOs. We’ve lost our ancestral claims to the shareholders. We used to conduct layoffs from the Urals to the Black Sea. Not anymore.
We were a proud people, passing down strong CEO genes.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 17:21
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Sounds just like a Cuban expat pining over their lost family plantation.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 08 Dec 2024 23:09
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The new poors are the most pathetic creatures...
Flax_vert@feddit.uk
on 07 Dec 2024 16:32
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76. The Court further considers that the police, a law-enforcement public agency, can hardly be described as an unprotected minority or group that has a history of oppression or inequality, or that faces deep-rooted prejudices, hostility and discrimination, or that is vulnerable for some other reason, and thus may, in principle, need a heightened protection from attacks committed by insult, holding up to ridicule or slander
ACAB, for pigs and CEOs.
eran_morad@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 15:27
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🤣
mechoman444@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 12:48
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🤣
Ottomade@lemmy.zip
on 07 Dec 2024 15:41
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It’s bi-partisan too. Which makes this infinitely more insane
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 07 Dec 2024 16:22
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Weird, isn’t it, like there’s some vast wellspring of support a political party could have tapped into by doing literally fucking anything but defending the status quo.
fossilesque@mander.xyz
on 07 Dec 2024 16:38
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Looks like they threw some loose change at Jill Stein
KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 07 Dec 2024 22:59
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It’s almost like the uniting factor of the people is class. I feel like there was a historical figure once, who was assassinated for trying to pivot from race to class because the government saw the danger of a united population.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 08 Dec 2024 07:27
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Yes. Is it surprising to you that the US government would be involved in the assassination of a Civil Rights and socialist leader or have ties to white supremacy?
If so, I can recommend quite a lot of further reading about… Most of US history.
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 14:04
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Did you skip education?
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 08 Dec 2024 22:58
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Healthcare fucks over everyone equally, it doesn’t discriminate.
Toneswirly@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 17:16
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Stop struggling and accept that lots of people are ok with advocating violence against evil people.
lischni_tschelowek@discuss.tchncs.de
on 07 Dec 2024 20:20
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Stop struggling and accept that lots of people are ok with advocating violence against evil people.
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 08 Dec 2024 22:56
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The Adjuster didn't adjust the witness, merely the parasite.
The people took notice.
Katana314@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 01:42
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I’m curious how many of those opposing the current trend would agree with statements as simple as “It is a good thing that Adolf Hitler, author of the blitzkrieg and holocaust that killed millions of people, is dead.”
Like, I get that anytime Hitler comes up, a part of our mind sorts it into exaggerated allegory. But he was a real person, who existed - and, if he hadn’t died in mysterious circumstances, it would be up to Berlin’s invaders to decide what to do with him.
And, speaking honestly, would giving him an extensive trial and then spend the rest of his life in prison, able to spread his ideology and beliefs to other prisoners, be any better?
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca
on 09 Dec 2024 12:14
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I mean, I don’t have a problem with people advocating violence against evil people.
But being happy or laughing does seem pretty tactless and frankly gross.
Death and violence may be necessary in many instances but it should never be glorified or celebrated, simply accepted.
Shadywack@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 19:15
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Good, the spineless hand wringing bootlicking fucking scumbags are losing. Wonderful to see.
hswolf@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 21:24
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not losing anytime soon, just slightly annoyed, like letting the tip of the towel hit the wet floor
AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world
on 07 Dec 2024 22:35
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And now they’re trying to make it about race, check this out.
nope. the right is celebrating too. going by the Facebook post alone, the population of which should already lean right, implying that the left:right ratio is 60:2 is stupid, though not too stupid for a fucking troglodyte.
Katana314@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 01:48
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I’ve been pretty impressed that the shooter has so far evaded police. I can only imagine that there have been at least one or two incidents thus far where people, be it cops or witnesses, had a clear opportunity to take actions that would lead to his immediate capture, but decided not to.
From what I know, cops often rely on the cooperation of the public to resolve crimes, but they may not be getting any on this one.
frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe
on 08 Dec 2024 15:51
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I’m sure it helps that he was across two state lines before the search even began
sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
on 08 Dec 2024 22:54
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We don't know that... He could still be NYC lol
The Adjuster operating at a different level from the rest of us and it seems even pigs can't figure it.
Apparently FBI is helping them but I am not sure if this their wheel house their speciality is mostly pinning terrorists charges on retarded Muslim kid, organizing fake insurrections and kidnappings of governors.
bender223@lemmy.today
on 08 Dec 2024 02:26
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GOOD!
#good
Dremor@lemmy.world
on 08 Dec 2024 18:29
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Went to the post, posted a laughing emoji. I’m French.
threaded - newest
Something something and I’m tired of pretending it isn’t, etc. The only thing I feel bad about is if he
hashad young children who couldn’t understand he was a waste of skin, they have my sympathy.Feel worse for the millions of children that are parentless due to his policy decisions. His kids will be FINE.
I would honestly go so far as to suggest that in the long term, not having this monster raise them (given they’ll still have plenty of money) probably leaves them better off.
These execs are scared their own children will ask them to explain what they do for a living. Doubt they raise their kids as much as they pay someone else to do it. That being said, Elmo’s kids are stuck on a compound. That’s definitely going to mess them up.
His kids are gonna be worse 20-40milliom per head.
They will be fine. I doubt they will ever understand why entire society turned on their parasite shitstain father.
Money doesn’t fix trauma, and childhood trauma is rarely fully healed. The kids did nothing wrong, and you should feel bad for them.
Like I said, my feelings are focused on those he harmed. Eat the fucking rich.
I feel bad they had a monster for a father.
They're already teenagers. The damage has been done, but hopefully this act will help them decide not to follow in their father's footsteps.
yeah alls his theoretical kids would have is millions of dollars, the best education, a lavish lifestyle, trust funds, but they would not have their asshole dad.
They aren’t theoretical, he did have children.
So do many people who have their claims denied....
I didn’t dispute that?
You can feel bad for his family while also not feeling bad about his death. Losing a loved one is hard regardless of how much money you have. That doesn’t mean it wasn’t ultimately a net positive (although I’m doubtful that UH will actually change any policies because of this)
Don't the crime if you can't do the time?
That's the life his father chose for them.
I feel bad for his kids. They didn’t choose their parents.
His wife on the other hand did choose him, so fuck her too.
Aren't they already seperated?
So she is about to paid out big time with blood money he stole...
Yeah real peach
He and this wife didn’t choose their parents either (and any other contributing factors in their environment that made them who they are). Growing older doesn’t change the causes of the development of their brain, the cause of the choices you make, and if we could have saved them from becoming the person they did then we should.
With even the most evil people we can be sad they died but also happy they can’t do more evil. Uday Hussein, son of Saddam Hussein did some evil stuff and and if we could have prevented him from becoming the person he did when at age 8 or at age 18 then it’s the same.
Some of those who had claims denied are children.
It isn’t impossible to feel bad for both?
It is about priorities...
What priorities are there? I’m talking about emotions, not actions.
You can feel bad for both the children of this guy that will now grow up without a father and the millions of people he harmed at the same time. I’m not even saying I feel equally as bad for his children as his victims’ children (because losing a parent to a preventable death due to insurance is objectively a worse situation). All I’m saying is it’s reasonable to feel sympathy for both. It’s not like the kids had a choice in what their dad did.
Well I did not know so until this moment for me it was theoretical. It does not matter but now I know.
Don’t forget the children whose siblings died due to insurance fuckery, and the parents who’ve lost children.
Crying from the 3rd floor of their yacht…
His kids have been profiting off of the death he had a hand in. They’ll be just fine in their ivory towers, whatever happens.
This guy was willing to do it for free. Imagine if there was a bounty.
Does he have a Patreon?
Don't get scammed but if he ever needs a legal defense fund, I think the plebs can figure it out.
He did job well, least we can do it pay respects
Even if he did, any funds would be frozen. A Monero Address would be a better way of receiving money.
Edit: Mind you, I expect him to very soon be arrested, so he wouldn’t really have any time to enjoy it.
Edit 2: Look up Jim Bell. He wrote a very popular essay in the 90s.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell
Interesting guy.
Indeed he is. Did you read the SI?
SI?
Essay, sorry
This is one of the things that scares me about most about completely anonymous currencies and networks: untraceable kill orders and, to a lesser extent, unlimited bribery (that already exists in US). Because you know, it opens the most possibilities to people with money. Like billionaires.
We need a black market gofundme so we can crowd source hits to keep up.
I’m not sure we would outweigh them - you know the statistics, almost half the wealth (potential kill orders) is held by top 1.1%.
I suspect billionaires and other people of high authority, especially, would be the first ones on the list. But your average everyday person is very unlikely to be on the list because they don’t have enough people who hate them.
TBF, we don’t know that. Might’ve been a paid hitman.
According to the media, he made a lot of very amateur mistakes if that’s the case. Like leaving a water bottle and granola bar wrappers and being filmed on camera at a Starbucks.
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His DNA doesn’t need to be in any system. These days there are professionals that take DNA results and comb through the databases to find close relatives that are in the system. It’s how they caught the BTK Killer.
I think you’re thinking of the Golden State Killer (among many others). BTK was caught through digital forensics, not forensic genealogy.
people.com/…/btk-killer-daughter-dna-led-to-arres…
Has the Starbucks guy actually been confirmed as the same person? It looked like clearly a different jacket and backpack, I assumed that was either an accomplice or just an unfortunate lookalike, but I suppose he could have changed or it could just be odd lighting tricks.
No, not that I’m aware of.
The professional killer was the one who died.
Does he have an OnlyFans?
Anything sent like that would be frozen. Monero would be the better option.
When society gets to the point where you will die if you don’t do anything … or you will die if you do something …
Eventually people realize that they will be punished, threatened or endangered no matter what they do or don’t do, some people will come to the conclusion that they would rather go down fighting.
If you’re going to get screwed doing nothing, some would rather go out on a blaze of glory because they no longer have anything to lose.
I am assuming that when this guy is caught, what we will find out is that his wife had cancer and died from it and they refused to honor their claims or something like that.
Hopefully it doesn’t come to that, and he just never gets caught.
If he does, it’s gonna be one hell of a gofundme campaign for his defense.
Except the government will probably make GoFundMe freeze the funds for the campaign.
It’s a legal defense fund, not a bounty reward.
Granted, they’d probably still do so anyways.
Oh, I’m almost certain that they would primarily because they would not want him having money to fight a legal battle.
He won’t be paying for it in either case, someone will pick this up pro-bono.
Yes and that person will be under a lot of duress to play along on a show trial.
This is a class war
Good point
if this dude gets found he won’t make it to trial.
It’s been 3 days, and the chances of them finding him go down with every day.
If I was him id be in the Appalachians camping by now with no internet or cell connected devices. Id just wait a month or two and move all of my shit out of new york, mind you he may not even be a New Yorker he could be Californian for all we know.
I legit think the state/oligarchy will kill him silently. Taking it to trial and giving this guy a voice could make things so much worse for them. They’re afraid of creating a robin hood, and class solidarity; of giving the working class a hero and cause to rally around.
They’re so close to creating a robot army that can suppress the masses. They just have to bide their time until revolution is impossible.
Wouldn’t that backfire though?
Won’t more people start thinking “So this guy killed a really important CEO and apparently never got caught nor faced repercussions… you know what…”
Dealing with insurance with a nonfatal chronic illness can also be infuriating. You have to keep fighting the same battle over and over and over again.
Or perhaps himself dying of a treatable disease they refused to pay for. He’ll be a hero either way, the question is how much.
Falling Down was in my head this week. The number of people in the US that are close to it is so high, it’s barely fringe. Ironically Trump might just trigger a revolution when he tries to clamp down.
Can we crowdfund this, and provide a crypto bounty as reward for targets, including politicians, in the same way there was a reward for information on the shooter?
This would be to let those who step out of line know how much disdain there is for any of them in particular at any given moment, and the rewards can be split as needed.
The proletariat needs alternative systems of leverage.
This is for my Purge sequel screenplay, of course. One can dream.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Bell
Jim bell ftw
Who would’ve guessed reddit mods couldn’t grow a pair even if presented with a ball-growing pill
Sure, I’ve read both that and r/nursing parts; but I’m talking about those volunteers who do remove that stuff. I mean, yeah, promoting violence bad, and so on, but maybe the twatwaffles who refuse to build a proper universal healthcare system need to see that ppl support the shooter, and not the attempts of the community to censor itself?
I’m not celebrating, I just think we should have a massive “Enjoy hell, Brian” wake, on the scale of Boston after the Red Sox won the world series for the first time in 80-something years. But nationwide.
Kind of like being anywhere in Scotland when Margaret Thatcher died.
My only concern is that I hope this doesn't become an Archduke Ferdinand for an American Civil War part 2.
If that’s the case then it will just be the class war heating up because one side finally started fighting back.
So few of them, so many of us
united healthcare? how many divisions do they have?
They united the people against them. That’s living up to half the name, I guess.
But how…? Are Magas sad/angry that this happened? Most likely it’s the opposite. This is a poor/middle-class vs rich/ultra-wealthy scenario. I guess unless Fox tells/tricks them to be angry and blame liberals, but I’m sure plenty of them are not upset about this. I see it as “the enemy of my enemy” type deal.
This is the most united America has been since 911
Yeah, even the MAGA people I know are like “aight, cool”
Until Fox News tells them otherwise.
Is it really a civil war when 99% of the people are on one side?
I think you’re underestimating the amount of “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” out there.
Over half the country voted for trump, the man who will make everything worse and who appeals to people’s most base instincts. Some of the worst mass shootings were under Trump.
I don’t think violence will necessarily be contained to Democrats and old style Republicans. The new right likes corruption, which includes POS health insurance companies.
unsuccessfully.
It’s one thing to mock it on pseudonymous platforms like Reddit and the fediverse.
It’s another to do it somewhere linked to your real name and job like LinkedIn.
People really hate insurance companies.
Don't do it under your names folks, regime will be making lists based on this.
They are scared and they will lash out.
With that being said, fuck that parasite.
FAFO
You think having a fake online name will stop them from finding out who you are? Did you even pay attention to the Snowden leaks?
No, they said we already knew about that and didn’t give it another thought.
Make them spend more resources doing deanonymizations. First they have to get the IP from instance admins, then trace the tor routing, then the VPN that I use, then ask for my ISP. Make them do all that work.
(Or maybe they already have access by simply activating their backdoors within Intel ME, AMD PSP, and whatever baseband backdoor on the phones they have, and have just gotten everyone’s real identities in an instant, we can’t know for sure.)
They also have backdoors in most implementations of TLS, according to a person I know who worked government security.
It wouldn’t be impossible. There are like so many different certificate issuers, any one of them collaborating with a government would allow them to create a certificate that would be accepted by your browser.
Still takes more work than just giving them that information.
I work in cryptography, and I guarantee if that’s true “some person you know who worked in government security” would not tell you if they did know, or they are pulling shit out of their ass. There have been so many people that have looked at or worked on SSL/TLS implementations (including some of my coworkers), any vulnerabilities would have to be pretty subtle or clever, and that would be kept highly classified. Quit making shit up or repeating bullshit you heard.
Sure, if we’re talking about code vulnerabilities only. It’s most likely a compromised root cert though.
That just would allow a malicious attacker to fake being the server, it doesn’t actually compromise the TLS session. So you are talking about a much more sophisticated multi stage attack that needs to be actively executed. This wouldn’t at all allow them to record traffic and decrypt later.
The certs authenticate that you are talking to the real server, the symmetric session keys that are usually derived from a diffie helman key exchange have nothing to do with certs. That’s two separate (but connected) parts of the transaction to build a TLS session.
Right, this would be a MitM vulnerability, which could be reasonably viable for targeted attacks.
It is almost never a question of whether it’s possible or not. You WILL make a mistake. It’s just a question of how much effort you’re worth as an individual.
right, don't make it easy for them. plus they got prolly got half a country to put on the list now.
When everyone is on the list, noone is.
lol @ thinking reddit is anonymous
i was talking about people commenting on linkedin actually...
nor did I suggest reddit is anon, but aint you aint got provide your full name and address.
They already have lists. The only hope we have is to stand together in solidarity as the working class against the billionaire capitalists entering power.
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Help, I’m now physically inside my system, but it’s kinda hard to read the screen at this angle. Plus I’ve got to reach out for keyboard input…
No you don’t??
Just use an on-screen keyboard smh
Yeah if they fuck with me they will find for sure.
LinkedIn is one of the least sane social media sites I’ve ever had the displeasure of using. Under all the marketing BS and obviously fake feel good stories lie takes that would make your insane Facebook uncle blush.
I used to work for a big data company that tracked shares to various social networks and the frequency with which people share porn to LinkedIn was remarkably high.
What?! How?! So I can learn to avoid it!
Maybe it was only-secretaries dot com.
I need a direct link to be sure
People are too hung up about anonimity on the internet. When one of my country’s worst journalistic shitrags mandated a real name policy due to the rampant racism and other -isms in the comment section of their articles… nothing changed. People are happily spewing the same vile rethoric as before and proud to, instead of being shamed into silence.
Why the fuck would the moderators care about how much work it is to remove the posts.
One of the mods said (in the article) that to their knowledge it's mostly the paid admins removing it not the unpaid moderators.
Regime whores doing regime's bidding
The quote I was referencing is this:
The line about making their lives a living hell?
If you ever feel the need to type that in reference to your volunteer Reddit moderation… Stand up, go outside.
Cute of yout to assume plebs think of this guy as a human...
I am not sure about others bit I see a high ranking officer within corpo regime got taken out.
Do we cry when cartel members gets wacked?
If someone is directly responsible for the deaths of millions of people and the courts hold the position that corporate profits outweigh human life, then yeah eventually someone is going to take matters into their own hands. The real question is, will this become a trend? For example, would anyone really be upset if all the would-be school shooters look at this as an example of how their frustrations could be used to make a real difference in the world? Imagine if CEOs were suddenly afraid of real-world consequences when their greed hurts people?
Imagine letting an unpaid position on social media “make life hell”
Well, first of all fuck reddit, but secondly: if you appreciate actual human moderation in any significant sense - it’s hard work.
Getting paid to do it is rare (again - fuck reddit, they should get off of there) but on any site that’s actually trying to honestly build or host a community it takes time to check the reports, message the people, log the entry all that shit. It’s a huge pain in the ass when something blows up, which is why neither you or I will likely ever be mods. When it’s the scale of reddit it’s bound to be a lot of scrambling until shit cools off again.
To be honest, I actually don’t really appreciate human moderation, so that’s probably biasing my position.
I can block communities. I can block users. I can set word filters.
If I block someone, I never have to hear from them again. If a moderator does, they’ll be back with a new account, and then I DO have to hear from them.
I’d far prefer a “federated” and crowdsourced mechanism to layer onto an extremely lightly moderated foundational layer.
If someone, or someones, want to curate a filter list that aligns with my sensibilities, awesome, I’ll opt in. I’ll contribute. If I bump into unresolvable issues with other filter curators I’ll fork the filter.
I don’t need or want a tiny subset of users working full time for free getting burnt out or going on power trip crusades.
If the admins feel like mods aren’t doing enough to keep a sub within reddits guidelines, they may remove mods or even ban the subreddit entirely.
Mods should be joining in on the celebration instead, in particular unpaid / community ones like Reddi’s.
https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/14865992
News@lemmy.world deleted a spicy post from a couple days ago. The fediverse isn’t immune but it definitely fares better.
LW is worst at this, they also banned piracy community early on
Because they did not, and still dont, know the laws associated. And rather than actually consult a lawyer, they became armchair experts.
I am not surprised by the LW mods. Its expected.
I am pretty sure .world is paid by the people connected to media/politcal establishment hence why we get a lot of modding similar to reddit.
Although, reddit lost control of asylum, i never seen so much raw hate.
They banned talking about the wrong kind of cat food, for Pete’s sake. I’m still not over that one.
And I’ll proudly wear my ban from there.
Shareholders can’t stop talking about this one trick to make their stocks go up.
UHC cuts costs by $13 million, find out why CEOs hate this one simple trick
The shot heard round the boardroom
Plural. Hopefully.
But that might actually solve climate change
oil execs don't even pretend to be one of us... they roll around with full security detail...
He didn’t really get “assassinated”. He just got denied his critical-life benefits.
Exactly... Don't humaniE this parasite. Give him that corpo treatment.
Claim to life denied 🙅
Sympathy witheld until forms can be obtained that prove that the bullet holes were not a pre existing condition.
Most humans are born with orifices, I think that counts.
Pre-existing condition, lead poisoning in a boomer.
This isn’t a generational thing. For a start, he’s technically Gen X, not a boomer. And secondly, I’m older than him and I’m just as happy about that as everyone else.
While boomer is deff age, when people refer to it online it largely mind sent reference... that parasite pest leeching on working people and feel entitled to do it, indigent when exposed.
You know the type...
(Gen X voted for Trump at a higher rate than boomers)
Which is really really sad. When I was younger I used to think we just need these old people to age out of the system and my generation can do things better. We seem to be doing significantly worse.
That’s really sad because the younger someone is the more they are going to be fucked by the long term effects of Donald Trainwreck’s enshitification of everything. Nuclear proliferation from the new world disorder, global warming, hyperinflation of the national debt due to gigantic tax cuts for the billionaire elites, hollowing out democracy, normalization of corruption, normalization of routine dishonesty, huge economic inefficiencies that comes with wealth inequality, removal of previous rights like abortion, vast increase in government incompetency, etc
He was actually GenX.
You’ve seen pictures of him right? Just how fucking young do you think boomers are?
Boomer, n. “A privileged asshole who keeps fucking things up for everyone else.”
If that doesn’t apply to you, they’re not insulting you.
You can’t just make up a definition of a word.
That’s literally how words are made fam
The OED would liy to know your location.
The OED is quite accepting of multiple definitions that develop over time! They love citing first known usage, it gets them hard as diamonds.
The OED, like all dictionaries, goes by usage. One person using a word in a different way, is never going to make it.
All definitions start somewhere, and, just fyi:
“Ok Boomer” wasn’t actually directed at boomers before decrepit millennials stole it from the youths. It was directed at people with the toxic mindset associated with conservativism and “old fashioned” opinions on social issues.
The kinds of asshole that climb up a ladder and kick it down behind them.
Everyone older than me is a boomer.
Everyone younger than me is a zoomer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Silly tardigrade’s playing on the wrong side of the bridge. Do they teach nothing at tardigrade music school?
He’s playing Penderecki
Threnody to the Victims of Health Insurance Companies.
TIL. Thank you!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krzysztof_Penderecki
The Threnody is definitely his most famous, but he has used that technique in some of his solo compositions for cello as well - example
Oh WOW!
That’s…something else entirely.
So violent! Yet also subtle and quiet.
Yields immediate visceral reactions.
The entire instrument is so thoroughly explored.
How does one remember such a piece?
Or keep the original bow and strings to the end?
Striking. Marvelous. Beautiful. I’m all for it.
An amendment of something conjured by it:
It’s also not even a violin.
It’s hard to tell. It looks deep like a cello, but the bridge doesn’t look quite high enough. Maybe at the tardigrade scale stringed instruments are made a little differently.
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You know what’s pretty neat about this?
It’s not mob justice. Mob justice is when people get together and come up with bad ideas. This is an individual that the public has now rallied around.
While we only see comments from a select few number of people in this country (relative to it’s size of 350m) it seems that democracy is voicing itself. I know a lot of people who were initially shocked, but then quickly came to the conclusion that FAFO is a real thing.
And health insurance companies have done a lot of fucking around.
Hopefully more of the FO part comes out of the woodwork.
This guy is probably gonna get folk songs in TikTok by now
We don't know the implications of this. But there got to be something big coming our way.
Ruling class will not have their lieutenant punished like this in a broad day light with out lashing out.
They already despise as is, they gonna step up brutality imho screw here, screw there.
That’s just going to pour gas on the fire. The less people have to lose, the more likely they’re going to take matters into their own hands.
You aint wrong but ruling class can'[t accept one of their officers being gunned down by what appears to be a pleb with vendetta and he get away with it while rest of us cheer him on as a hero.
This is about power, and the the people with power feeling insecure.
Time will tell. I expect things to get worse before/if they ever get better for the working class.
History is rhyming again.
Suggest reading about the circumstances running up to the storming of the Bastille.
“Mob justice” is a boogeyman invented to distract you from the fact that the cops and the state give you no justice at all.
It’s not even mob justice, it’s vigilante justice. It just so happens in this case practically everyone is pretty happy about it having happened.
The mob never called for this CEO’s death, we’re just not sad he was killed. Even if in general most of us wouldn’t actively call for people to be killed.
If it makes CEOs afraid, then fantastic, a nice happy side-bonus.
Yeah, and that’s all true, but in the comment I replied to was room for the implication that “mob justice” is a problem somehow.
We’re told it would be chaos, some great threat to society, but like, the only examples of mobs that I can think of doing any real damage are groups whose immediate aims were supported by the ruling class. Lynchings in the US south were openly permitted and encouraged by the entrenched white supremacist police state. Witch burnings were encouraged by the state to disenfranchise women from power over their own bodies, and they laid the foundations for capitalism.
Then those horrific examples of state oppression are presented to us as examples of the horrors that await if we were to ever stop bowing to that same state and take matters into our own hands.
Even if the person making the comment didn’t intend to reinforce that notion, it’s a default assumption for many people and I didn’t want it to stand unchallenged.
Not a lot of finding out so far though.
Fuck Around, Find Out?
You got it.
Is karma.
Good. Let the celebration continue.
Hopefully dude never gets caught (Which he probably won’t as it’s now been greater than 48 hours, and we all know what that means if you’ve seen The First 48)
But if he does, it’s going to be awfully hard putting together a jury that hasn’t heard of JURY NULLIFICATION
48 hours is only for regular cases with one or two cops assigned. High profile stuff like this gets considerably more attention and resources for a longer period of time
At this point, I don’t even think they want to catch him anymore. He’s already being talked about as a hero, throwing him in jail would make him a martyr. People would protest at the trial too, it would be a mess.
First 48 is about finding a victim alive. Murderers are commonly identified and caught outside that window.
If they catch him they will kill him.
Exactly. There’s no way they’ll allow him to speak his mind or allow the people to rally in his support in a huge trial. They find him, he’s dead. The “how” they’ll figure it out. Happy cop trigger, killed while trying to escape, heart attack, attacked by a bear, hit by meteorite. They’ll come up with something, mark my words.
He should walk into a news organisation lobby and ask to be arrested there
And then they’ll kill him while waiting for a trial.
But the world would know it was murder and not “resisting arrest”
Would that change anything in a country where Trump is re-elected?
The cynic in me says nothing matters and nothing ever changes, the ideologe says it gives people ideas, ideas that build up and can one day turn into action.
Well, let’s hope the second part of you is right.
Why contain it? S’cool.
first shot of the revolution
TIL Reddit has paid employees, for what they call the “modcoc team”.
By definition, none of the kills are his. They’re all assists.
Still pretty impressive ratio though
KDA is perfectly valid, some classes just don’t do any work themselves.
I would pay for that to be his grave stone
It only costs one bottle of spray paint
They’re gonna have to put this dipshit’s grave on private property.
Why contain it? Let it spill over to the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end, they’ll beg us to save them.
That's what the regime wants, whoever executed topic of the current discussion knew that they could tap this raw anger.
Note how witness was left alone... if he killed the witness, this would be a different story.
Clean murder of a corporate parasite, galvanized the public. Zero tears shed, people are celebrating.
There is a lesson for the elites in this... but they won't learn it. They will regroup and oppression will get worse. They will use full force of the state against working people.
This is just the start.
And they will somehow think that they escape unscathed.
Yeap, the more they squeeze the more people will have less to loose. Now that it’s been done once people see it’s possible. People see how it’s being celebrated. Hopefully this will replace shoot shootings. Because politicians don’t care about dead kids but they’ll as hell care about CEOs being merc’d. Maybe we’ll get some meaningful reforms out of this and change some business practices too.
I just want to say I haven’t seen “merc’d” used quite so eloquently before, well done.
A rule for arbitrarily deleting any post on an ill-defined idea that some topics are not political. Why even say such an unreasonable thing when you can just say supporting violence is against site-wide rules?
I bet because nobody was actually supporting violence just gloating BC parasite got FAFO
That is such a stupid rule, because everything is politics.
that’s some literal communist thinking there mate.
I don’t think you know the definition of the words “literal” and “communism” if that’s what you think.
I guess the idea of material reality isn’t part of communism, good to know.
i don’t know if you noticed what site you are on, most people here are at the very least friendly with the notion of communism even if you were right about this
And they aren’t right, to be clear.
they may be friendly with the notion of communism, but apparently don’t know much about communist ideology, because according to dialectical materialism, yes everything is political, from where you work, what you have/use, the food on your plate, and even the thoughts you think are all inherently tied to politics as politics is the ordering of society, and society is a core and indispensable part of the human condition
Can you list something non political?
Broccoli.
You don’t think farming is political? O.o
I speak of the Platonic ideal of broccoli, please don’t sully it with your crude materialism.
Who came up with this ideal? Why did they define it like that? Are there better ways to define broccoli? Why do we call it broccoli? What’s the meaning of politics and therefore political? Who… Fuck.
1: Some Italian I guess. 2: Because it be like that. 3: No. 4: Italians speak funny. 5: Everything but broccoli. 6: Anyone that consents as long as you don’t hurt nobody.
Farm subsidies, ad subsidies for that sector, pesticide use and regulation for vegetables, labor laws for harvesting, etc. etc.
Just broccoli. That other stuff is the politics surrounding the pure form.
If you don’t think food is political, you’re not paying attention. ‘Every society is three meals from chaos’
Anarchism. Anarchism is just people working together to topple unjust states with violence if need be. No need for voting or governments or corporations to get involved.
Anarchism is literally a political philosophy. It’s profoundly political.
Yeah, but it’s less political than everything else drag can think of
Less political != Non political
Again, everything is politics.
I’d actually say it’s significantly more political than most. It’s a philosophy about the nature of political and economic power.
It’s hard to get more political than a political philosophy. About the only way is to find one whose proponents are particularly debate-y and prone to infighting, and fond of byzantine governing arrangements to avoid entrenched or coercive positions of power.
Anarchism is typically focused on opposition to coercive or involuntary ruling arrangements. It’s beenpoliticized as being in favor of chaos by people on the powerful end of said arrangements.
Because they’re against hierarchy, anarchist social arrangements typically require much more political involvement than others.
In drag’s opinion, involving someone in politics without their knowledge or consent is more political than simply teaching them to value and engage with politics of their free will. The consent violation makes it more political.
Also in a liberal capitalist society, everything is politicised because everything costs money. In an anarchist society you just go to the grocer and take some food home. Under a capitalist regime, you have to exchange money backed by the state which represents a social construct of value exchange just to buy some bananas. It’s weird.
Your mom!
How?
material conditions mean everything, every action you take, every opportunity you have, every thing you buy, literally all of it, is influenced by politics.
Politics is simply the organization of society, and as a human without society you have nothing, you would have to slave away for years just to make a standard no°2 pencil, and even that is influenced by politics because it takes a society to raise a person.
No one who thinks that hard is still moderating at reddit.
The poor News mods here are looking forward to mundane Spam removals at this point.
Insurance companies hate this one weird trick! Find out more at spamwebsite.tk!
Fuck 'em.
How about mundane spelling mistake bans?
I’m telling ya, this is the beginning of A Christmas Carol. The ghost of Thompson needs to visit his colleagues and warn them you too, shall die, and no-one will mourn you and the people will celebrate in the streets. And all your friends will tear into your assets like vultures into carrion.
Heck, replace the ghosts with mobsters and use a trick of time rather than supernatural spirits, and you have a 21st century version of the story.
Dude
I love it.
Get Bill Murray and Bobcat Goldthwait. We’re doing this.
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Well, the news is now out that these corporate fatcats are not as untouchable as they think
just wait until tr*mp kills section 230
What I like about this moment is that the people who ought to be fearful are indeed the ones who are fearful. I mean shit, Elon is posting Tweets about how great CEOs are actually, health insurance companies are removing pages from their websites that identify leadership, it’s a lovely little pocket of schadenfreude where we can all take a breath and prepare for the next 4 years.
These parasites know that we got numbers on our side and we permit their rule by and large...
I don't think this corp of owners realize that plebs can turn on a dime, they got too comfortable. This is a wake up call.
Having their goon wacked like this got to make them feels a certain way hehe
For the sake of my neighbors and their loved ones and their neighbors and loved ones, please stop permitting people to rule over them
I hope there’s a copycat to reinforce the lesson very soon, or they’ll write this off as a one off.
I like the idea that they’ve got billions of dollars, but will have to live in a windowless bunker eating beans.
They couldn’t even hunker down in their mansions for two weeks of Covid lockdown.
They like to fantasize about it, but the reality of living like that will hit them fast.
This is because they are not self sufficient, at all. They are parasites.
Boot them from our nice society, in other words
We could deny them the right to buy and sell too. Just everybody refuses.
Ive got bullets with words on them and bullets without. But I’m all outta bullets without words on them
They just recovered the backpack perhaps
I couldn’t help but notice Blue Cross rescinded its very dangerous policy placing a time limit on anesthesia the day after the murder.
I don’t want a reign of terror, but perhaps just a little bit of terror will have CEOs thinking they could be next when considering especially harmful policies.
Finding out after you’ve fucked around isn’t terror.
Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. This guy’s a vigilante.
I guess it all depends how IRA makes you feel lol
Thatcher was the one that got away
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Just a light drizzle of terror
Thats okay because its not terror its defense.
No, it’s terror. It’s just that that isn’t always the negative we’ve tended to think it is.
Typically we’ve been citizens in a country on the “power” side of the dynamic, so using terror like that meant using it on us, and so we learned that it’s bad.
This time we’re on the other side of the power dynamic, so it’s seemingly… Good.
The bad thing being good creates cognitive dissonance.
This is a direct consequence of “the war on terror” attempting to redefine the military strategy of asymmetrical warfare as terrorism and inherently immoral.
To sell the bullshit “war on terror” the easiest way to make the US seem righteous was to degrade the public’s sense of why people violently resist and reduce it to the act of violently resisting an organized traditional military is immoral unless the thing resisting is also a traditional organized military.
I am glad that narrative is breaking down though as the distortion of how and why violent conflicts occur is dangerously blinding to a basic understanding of the world.
Killing people who were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time is always wrong.
I think you will find Palestinian citizens agree with you on that point.
Yes. And the Israeli hostages.
Marx once said that proletarians won’t embellish the terror once it’s their turn.
Robespierre thought killing tens of thousands of people was defense. History has not been kind to that position.
Good thing there’s only 2066 of them. 2065 now.
In France, during the Nazi occupation in WW2, a few people turned to the Resistance movement which was also a terror operation: they would target military objectives but also conduct assassinations of nazi officials designed to inspire fear in the others and spark support in the population.
You just reminded me of a movie and let’s just say I highly recommend it.
On yet another front, the Greek resistance would kill Nazis. In retaliation, Nazis would kill whole villages. Enraged, more Greeks would join the resistance and kill more Nazis. Net result: Towards the end pretty much every Greek was in the resistance and Greece was the only (IIRC, or at least the first or something) country to free itself from Nazi occupation. (Then they became a dictatorship different story).
And you just reminded me of a movie from a show and let’s just say I recommend both.
youtu.be/X1DcKBwliAw
Technically they didn’t fully rescind it. They rescinded it in some places but not others, and for some patients but not others. It’s just PR, they have no intention of actually changing things.
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How fucked up is it that the day after the ceo of a major health insurance company was murdered in broad daylight,
The next day another health insurance company said they would no longer limit anesthesia during surgeries.
This makes me realize something, and it’s not what our sponsor or corporate donor wants me to believe.
Edit: m.youtube.com/watch?v=vwSRqaZGsPw
‘We have to wait for elections to attempt to fix anything’ is just something we’ve been brainwashed to believe.
Enough people deciding they want change immediately makes it happen. Especially when those at the reigns fear immediate backlash.
Elections were the deal. We’d vote for representatives and abide by their decisions rather than, y’know, killing people in the streets to change society.
When elections can’t change society, though. When the deal is broken, it’s back to the old ways.
Yep. The social contract has been destroyed. Time to stop holding up our end of it.
Elections are theater as long as corporate campaign funding exists.
Yea we feast on their money while they get to serve it up voluntarily to stay clear of the guillotine.
I don’t want their money. It’s blood money, kind of like blood diamonds….
I’d take powerball though
It’s true. The YT link is for music. Here’s the article.
npr.org/…/blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-anthe…
On the 4th of July, American’s don’t celebrate that British soldiers were killed, we celebrate the society we won in the process.
You think the “shot heard round the world” didn’t hit someone?
We have to start somewhere and celebrate the early battles as well as the war’s outcome
I mean back in the day, there’s a solid chance that shot was way off target.
When the war was still going on, they probably did celebrate the number of enemy killed.
So, you’re saying that Americans are at a civil war against their upper class?
Thank fuck Lemmy isn’t owned by corporate interests that need other corporate interests to advertise on them or it’d be happening here, too.
.world does it voluntarily.
This is the top post on all of Lemmy right now and it’s in a .world community.
They tuned the censorship down after the backlash.
I think we’ve all been conditioned to clutch pearls at the news like this.
But ironically Trump has removed any and all decorum. Even when he was shot, people gave no shits, because he’s a piece of shit that gives no shits.
So here we are. There’s still some that want to “virtue signal” because violence and hate is never the answer! Meanwhile people are being ground into desperation, so your pearl clutching can get fucked.
And the sense of entitlement people on a FREE WEBSITE is ridiculous. How many of the people complaining about .world censorship help pay for the sever?
I don’t pay for .world nor it’s micromanaging moderators and admins. Never have, never would for such a place.
Next time I get a bit of extra cash I will donate to my instance however.
And if you’re posting there and bitching about it, that’s your problem, not .world’s.
No one is forcing you to post there and no one is under any obligation to do what you want in terms of server rules. Sorry, .world is not there to cater to you or anyone else in specific. If your instance has different rules, post there and don’t bitch about the ones in .world.
And no one is forcing you to reply. We will post wherever we want, and bitch about whatever we want, anywhere we want. You seem to feel like you actually are .world, so go ahead and ban everyone who doesn’t bow down to arbitrary garbage. No wonder no one ever has anything positive to say about you squid, it sucks to suck. Be better.
I see, so you can post and bitch whenever you want, but I’m not allowed to.
Why am I different?
And if I’m not different, why are you complaining about me bitching about what I want?
Who says you’re not allowed to? Regular users don’t have the ability to ban you. But you have the ability to ban users, an ability you abuse regularly with what looks like a pitiable “I am the king of .world” god complex. It’s sad that you seem to lack the bandwidth to understand how you as a mod are different to regular users. But it explains a lot.
So I have a “god complex,” but I also have more power than regular users and that makes me different from them.
That seems contradictory.
But please do find an example within, say, the last month where I banned someone for doing anything other than violating stated rules in the sidebar or Lemmy ToS. Go for it. This will be like the guy in another thread yesterday who claimed repeatedly that I’m a Zionist and when I asked them to find one single comment where I said anything where I supported Israel they said they were done talking to me.
So good luck proving your lie too.
Also, you sure implied I wasn’t allowed to bitch. Did you forget your last comment?
Isn’t it odd how people in random threads repeatedly seem to not like you, because of your moderating? To a degree that your name pops up anytime someone wants an example of a shitty mod? If everyone you meet is an asshole, perhaps you’re the asshole? But no, it’s not you that’s out of touch, it’s the children who are wrong.
I see. You have no evidence for your lie, so you’ve moved on to insults.
Incidentally, all you are doing is punching down on someone who is already aware that he’s a horrible person and far inferior to you and most other people and has been aware of it his entire life, but keep doing it if it makes you feel better. Don’t worry, I’m going to be dead in four years anyway if it all works out.
Hey, if you truly are terminally ill in some way, I’m very sorry for that. But also, it’s shameful to retreat and hide behind “I’m gonna die in four years, so you’re a bad person for calling me out on my bullshit” after you’ve been chastising people everywhere. Being terminally ill doesn’t give people a cart blanche to act in any way they want and not get called out for it. If the discourse on Lemmy is too much, you could also stop being a mod, stop acting holier than thou, or stop using Lemmy altogether and enjoy your time offline. Here, you’re not a terminally ill person, you’re flying squid the mod. If you can’t take the heat, you should consider getting out of the kitchen instead of crying foul when you get called out.
You’re not a bad person for calling me out. I deserve it.
What I don’t deserve is you lying about me. There is no need when I’m already inferior to you in almost every possible way.
Also, I don’t believe for a minute that you’re sorry. Not when you’ve made your hatred for me very clear.
Nah, I don’t hate you, you’re not significant enough to me to hate. And whether you want to believe it or not, I do feel sorry that human beings are forced to endure hardships that are imposed on them, like a terminal illness for example.
I just find you to be a bit sad and pathetic, completely unrelated to your self declared illness, which I was unaware of until today and which in any case is irrelevant to the conversation at hand. And you just keep finding new ways of validating that assessment.
I’m done with this conversation, I think I made myself about as clear as I am able to do.
Sure. You go around hurling insult after insult at people you think are “sad and pathetic.” I know I’m an idiot, but I’m not that stupid.
Holy shit this thread is hilariously pathetic on FS’ part.
“No? I just don’t like bad moderation.”
“…No? What does that do with anything?”
God damn, FS makes me just think .world is a containment instance like Hexbear.
The positions you take lately, and the arguments you make lately are increasingly disappointing.
No one owes .world anything… If those in control make questionable decisions, they are going to be called out regardless of aggressive moderation, it’s all federated, kinda the point.
“Can’t take he heat, get out of the kitchen…” and all that jazz…
So find some other free server that doesn’t have the rules you hate. Isn’t that the point?
I’m sorry, but throwing a fit because a bunch of volunteers on a free website aren’t letting you have your way is just childish.
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Not sure why you’re out here defending hugely unpopular behavior.
I’m not defending anything. I’m accusing a bunch of people who think they’re owed something on a free website of being children with a massive sense of entitlement.
Why is not being censored being owed something? Your brain is trash.
Because you do not have a right to not be censored. And since you’ve decided to insult rather than argue, I think there’s no need to continue this discussion.
And yes, I’m aware my brain, and the rest of me, is trash. I don’t know why people have to constantly tell me I’m inferior to them when I’m already aware of it. It’s like people who tell fat people they’re fat.
Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
Can’t complain if you’re gonna play the same game for the other side…
I’m not.
Man, this shit just keeps being funny. The longer it stays funny, the better it affects all involved.
Fuck the media for treating this murder as super important. This is something that only wealthy elites care about.
Im only respond to your words: that only wealthy elites care about. Pedant warning. By responding you are agreeing to a very narrow discussion. Thank you for engaging this point of contention if you choose to do so.
This is inaccurate. my proof is that I know people who are unhappy with the mob mentality around murder being okay. People who dont even make as much as i do, and while i consider myself poor, i recognize im above my areas minimum wage. Additonally I am not a wealthy elite and care about this to the degree that it could be a problem for us non elites if things go badly
I personally midly concerned about what problems this might be showing us. Im not in a position to address or research them and dont claim that what i can see might happen is going to happen. Im opposed to people basing significant hardline stances on unproven and or untested assumptions and predictions. But I do see, without much difficulty or effort, how mobs and pitchforks are rarely proven to be acting on good faith rationality.
So all im asking here is for you to contemplate why you were comfortable making such an easily arguable word choice and if you could be more precise in the future when you really are passionate about an argument you are making.
Okay but why is the media treating this as more important than every other murder? It’s not. That’s what people are mad about. If anything, it is less important, since the motivation is something that not a threat to the general public.
You have violated the terms you agreed to
But if the media didn’t blew it up so much, we wouldn’t get all these memes.
Its the Streisand in full effect.
Is anything remotely likely to change as a result of this on a systemic level or otherwise?
I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess nope. What do I win?
Maybe some future school shooter wannabe will notice that they barely even report on school shootings anymore, and Uvalde even reelected the piece of shit sheriff that let all those kids die. Maybe they will see this shooter being treated like some kind of hero, and decide to hunt Billionaires or CEOs instead.
After enough of those, the world will be drastically improved, or the surviving billionaires will finally bring about some real gun control legislation.
Elons carrying his kids around as human shields so there’s that.
Correct me if I’m wrong but Elon did nothing to compare with what Brian did.
Elon has really helped ramped up the societal breakdown by messing with the x algorithm. People are losing the plot.
That’s pretty far from causing the suffering and death of thousands, right?
Not really. He scammed Trump into the White House and there will be a lot of suffering and death in his mass deportation plans.
“will be”, eh? Well until he’s actually done his thousands of dead and suffering, try to keep some perspective.
And try to think for yourself a little.
Fuck up
I’m not sure, but locals tagged “Deny, Defend, Depose” near me. If nothing else, seems there’ll be good branding made of it.
Everybody who sees the hitman as a social justice vigilante is gonna report back here when we find out it was some personal bullshit, right?
Oh no, stop, don’t do the right thing for the wrong reason
What “personal bullshit” would lead to Deny, Depose, Defend?
Yes it was fucking personal. Maybe he lost someone because of the company. Either way social justice IS personal, for all of us. Wether you believe it or not, injustice affects all of us
What do you mean? I hope it was personal too. I’m already experiencing the catharsis vicariously.
If it turns out he was a shareholder disappointed with his latest dividend, yes I would be sad. That’s my line.
EAT. THE. RICH.
Too much fat, it’d be unhealthy.
They not that much just take a bite and give it to the next
Separate the fat. Make soap with it. Sell it to the rich.
Tell them the soap removes toxins and you’ll make a killing. Heh.
Wouldn’t that be two killings?
Turn the rich into soap and clean this society up!
COMPOST. THE. RICH.
I think this is as funny as the next person but realistically what will change?
Won’t they just elect another scumbag and keep going?
At least some health insurance companies are temporarily easing up on denials or pausing shitty policies like limiting anthensia coverage during surgery.
That alone could save a few hundred lives, even if just for a little while.
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It was Anthem.
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My bad. Anthem is BCBS.
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Anthem is one member of the BCBS insurance group. Hell, they compete with another member in California! (Blue Shield of California)
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Not if something also happens to the next one and the following one and so on.
I think it’s a precedent, CEOs actually have something to fear aside from their job. Which usually fails upward with a good serverance package. This is also a sign that the Government and the laws of the land no longer works for the people. It’s a good and a bad thing either way. Personally I think it’s a huge mistake we made companies as a person. I think this is were the root cause is. Since it disconnects the accountability of the people working especially the higher ups.
If they’re a person it should go all the way. They should be able to go on trial for homicide. Some states still have the death penalty for people. Disband the company if it commits serious crimes.
While still jailing those who made the decisions and performed the illegal actions.
I think they’ll all get their companies to pay for security details and armored cars. It’ll make them feel even more self-important.
Then hopefully someone shows security details and armored cars are easily taken care of with homemade devices.
The assassination reminded us that they are not some sort of incorporeal beings, but that they can be killed.
Hard to predict.
This act broke the taboo against violence and shattered the perception of powerlessness. Turns out there is something you can do against these assholes, and it’s not as unpopular an option as you might have expected.
It may inspire imitation, emboldening other pissed victims. It may scare the other CEOs into treading more carefully. It might embolden progressive politicians to challenge the status quo, now that they see how popular that can be.
Or it might end up a big ball of hot air that doesn’t do anything. Like I said, hard to predict.
If all the disaffected white teens stopped shooting up schools and started shooting CEOs, it’s not healthy, but they would be channeling their anger in a better direction.
I mean that’s a fair thought.
But even by USA capitalist standards, this specific man was a monster who in a just world wouldn’t be allowed to be in charge of anything. The world is slightly better off without such a greedy and heartless man in it.
Nothing will change unless it becomes a recurring and common thing.
How many people can actually pull off a successful assassination of a wealthy person? Not many, especially now that security is going to go up.
Nothing will change, but at least that one guy got some revenge.
And that one guy got his comeuppance
Assassinating is so easy a child could do it. It’s getting away with it that’s hard.
not a problem for people with nothing left to lose.
If only it were easier to organize into teams without being infiltrated by disguised fed boys, but only the right is allowed to do that.
just wait until Republicans suddenly turn anti-2A
Well, if you don’t wanna celebrate a monster dying just for the sake of it, we can look at it from an environnent perspective, taking that pos out did more for the environnent than Green Peace has in the last 10 years.
Yes, your advocating for killing the entire board of directors is the right move. Another route would be to kill off all of the large institutional investors like fidelity, JP Morgan etc who put that board in place. But that’s about where the buck stops. Sadly those people are better at being faceless so it’s harder, but it would also work for all public companies (for example Boeing, or John Deere, or all of the other more notably evil companies lately)
.world is in the EU. The same laws that apply to inciting hate or violence against “The Jews” or “The Blacks” also apply to “The CEOs”. And the same laws that apply to Facebook also apply to lemmy.
According to Piaget, most children go through three stages of ethical behavior. The first one is rule-based (daddy said so), the second one is based on opposition, the third one takes the context into account to emit a sensible ethical judgment.
Of course, a lot of people never get to stage 2. They stay rule-based all their life. What a pity.
I don’t think it has much to do with ethics in the usual sense. It’s all about tribal allegiance. Facebook and the like are the enemy. Anything that seems to bother the enemy is cheered. There is no thought that laws apply generally. It reminds me of that old internet meme about conservatism. There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
I think you could make a serious argument that the CEO killing was self-defense. But it’s not going to really change anything. Maybe the successor is less ruthless but they will be making decisions in the same social context; facing the same incentives and disincentives.
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An armed society is a polite society. I’ve never believed that. I still don’t. There doesn’t seem to be much of a connection between gun ownership and access to health care.
I agree. It leads to problems of its own.
I can think of one disincentive in particular they probably wouldn’t have considered before a couple days ago
CEO is not an identity, nor minority. It’s a political and economical position
It should be unnecessary to point this out, but here we are
That’s not how the law works.
If anyone wants it a little more precise. Lemmy.world claims Dutch and German jurisdiction. An English translation of one relevant German statute may be found here (§130, but also note §131): www.gesetze-im-internet.de/…/englisch_stgb.html#p…
Yeah but i don’t care abt the law
Yeah what’re they gunna do to me, double Dutch my ass in another country for posting a meme?
Meme police gonna f u up
Fuck the police.
Coming straight from the Fediground
The people operating the platform may be fined if they don’t moderate according to their local law.
I’ve seen people here often cheer for the EU standing up to Big Tech. Well, this, too, is EU regulations.
Won’t someone think of the poor CEOs!?
I was born into a poor family if genetic CEOs. We’ve lost our ancestral claims to the shareholders. We used to conduct layoffs from the Urals to the Black Sea. Not anymore.
We were a proud people, passing down strong CEO genes.
Sounds just like a Cuban expat pining over their lost family plantation.
The new poors are the most pathetic creatures...
@EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
Come and get 'em
No. From the Case of Savva Terentyev v. Russia (police) of the European Court of Human Rights:
ACAB, for pigs and CEOs.
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It’s bi-partisan too. Which makes this infinitely more insane
Weird, isn’t it, like there’s some vast wellspring of support a political party could have tapped into by doing literally fucking anything but defending the status quo.
www.opensecrets.org/orgs/…/recipients?id=D0000003…
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Looks like they threw some loose change at Jill Stein
It’s almost like the uniting factor of the people is class. I feel like there was a historical figure once, who was assassinated for trying to pivot from race to class because the government saw the danger of a united population.
Every other cause is a distraction from that one.
Wait, who are you referring to?
I assumed they were talking about MLK.
So now the government had him killed…?
Yes. Is it surprising to you that the US government would be involved in the assassination of a Civil Rights and socialist leader or have ties to white supremacy?
If so, I can recommend quite a lot of further reading about… Most of US history.
Did you skip education?
Government would never kill anyone mate!
Are you a brain dead conspiracy theorist?
Healthcare fucks over everyone equally, it doesn’t discriminate.
Stop struggling and accept that lots of people are ok with advocating violence against evil people.
Stop struggling and accept that lots of people are ok with advocating violence against
evilpeople.The Adjuster didn't adjust the witness, merely the parasite.
The people took notice.
I’m curious how many of those opposing the current trend would agree with statements as simple as “It is a good thing that Adolf Hitler, author of the blitzkrieg and holocaust that killed millions of people, is dead.”
Like, I get that anytime Hitler comes up, a part of our mind sorts it into exaggerated allegory. But he was a real person, who existed - and, if he hadn’t died in mysterious circumstances, it would be up to Berlin’s invaders to decide what to do with him.
And, speaking honestly, would giving him an extensive trial and then spend the rest of his life in prison, able to spread his ideology and beliefs to other prisoners, be any better?
I mean, I don’t have a problem with people advocating violence against evil people.
But being happy or laughing does seem pretty tactless and frankly gross.
Death and violence may be necessary in many instances but it should never be glorified or celebrated, simply accepted.
Good, the spineless hand wringing bootlicking fucking scumbags are losing. Wonderful to see.
not losing anytime soon, just slightly annoyed, like letting the tip of the towel hit the wet floor
And now they’re trying to make it about race, check this out.
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They are afraid… for now there are no killer robots protecting them… But they sure try.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
That’s a bipartisan message every working class American can get behind
They do this to divide and conquer. It’s a ploy to take the attention from billionaires at the moment and focus on left and right politics
nope. the right is celebrating too. going by the Facebook post alone, the population of which should already lean right, implying that the left:right ratio is 60:2 is stupid, though not too stupid for a fucking troglodyte.
I’ve been pretty impressed that the shooter has so far evaded police. I can only imagine that there have been at least one or two incidents thus far where people, be it cops or witnesses, had a clear opportunity to take actions that would lead to his immediate capture, but decided not to.
From what I know, cops often rely on the cooperation of the public to resolve crimes, but they may not be getting any on this one.
I’m sure it helps that he was across two state lines before the search even began
We don't know that... He could still be NYC lol
The Adjuster operating at a different level from the rest of us and it seems even pigs can't figure it.
Apparently FBI is helping them but I am not sure if this their wheel house their speciality is mostly pinning terrorists charges on retarded Muslim kid, organizing fake insurrections and kidnappings of governors.
GOOD! #good
Went to the post, posted a laughing emoji. I’m French.
Serious? People are reacting with laughing emojis? Really?
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