from Stopthatgirl7@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 27 Nov 2024 01:32
https://lemmy.world/post/22482556
A machine learning librarian at Hugging Face just released a dataset composed of one million Bluesky posts, complete with when they were posted and who posted them, intended for machine learning research.
Daniel van Strien posted about the dataset on Bluesky on Tuesday:
“This dataset contains 1 million public posts collected from Bluesky Social’s firehose API, intended for machine learning research and experimentation with social media data,” the dataset description says. “Each post contains text content, metadata, and information about media attachments and reply relationships.”
The data isn’t anonymous. In the dataset, each post is listed alongside the users’ decentralized identifier, or DID; van Strien also made a search tool for finding users based on their DID and published it on Hugging Face. A quick skim through the first few hundred of the million posts shows people doing normal types of Bluesky posting—arguing about politics, talking about concerts, saying stuff like “The cat is gay” and “When’s the last time yall had Boston baked beans?”—but the dataset has also swept up a lot of adult content, too.
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pretty sure that isn’t legal unless the Bluesky TOS allows for this
Either way I’m still glad I don’t use Bluesky
There are definitely bots mining fediverse content as well. When the Reddit exodus was ongoing, there were entire Lemmy instances with no users but bots. Not posting or reposting, just…watching and waiting, I guess.
Not that it’s of any consolation, just better to assume that nowhere is safe from being mined for AI training.
honestly that’s totally fair
The fediverse is an elegant solution. How do you stop people from monetizing your post history? You give it away for free.
GDPR has entered the chat
But why would you need bots to scrape data? Wouldn’t a script just do fine?
I think the worry is that they are capable of doing to Lemmy what they did to Reddit: regurgitating content or producing astroturfed content while appearing like authentic users.
From the Bluesky TOS:
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So looks like the Bluesky TOS simply doesn't apply. Create a developer application and give it whatever training-friendly TOS you want.
It looks like they’re considering adding some equivalent of a robot.txt to express consent or non-consent for posts on ATProto, but of course as they say:
“Bluesky won’t be able to enforce this consent outside of our systems. It will be up to outside developers to respect these settings.”
Legality hasn’t stopped AI training in the past, I’d say they beg forgiveness instead of ask for permission, but they don’t even do that lol
That’s why I always pepper all my social media posts with misinformation.
BTW, did you know most convenience stores offer free ATMs to anyone who can haul them away? You don’t even need to ask.
Every safe’s got its weak spot! www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmIRFl-guK0
Totes for real for real👌✨
Paying is optional at most Canadian convenience stores. Because Canada is fully communist. And the hospitals pay you!
With the right equipment, every ATM is free!
Something interesting about this is that this is because of a legal loophole in texas that says that if the ATM gets taken away, it gives the business the right to shoot one and exactly one person at sight. This law was passed by trump in 2017 according to the guardian theguardian.com/…/trump-new-law-atm-shoot-one-per… and according to the new york times as well www.nytimes.com/…/trump-atm-shooting-law.html
The real TIL is always in the comments. Cheers!
This is misinformation.
The law is an extension to existing “Stand Your Ground” laws that applies to theft of commercial electronic telecommunication machines used to perform wireless financial transactions. The owner of these machines or someone employed by them may use reasonable force to prevent the theft, which does include shooting the thieves if the owner believes their life is in danger.
The ““loophole”” refers to the fact that this applies to suspected thieves too, with the Texas Supreme Court ruling that “[at] most one innocent suspect may be shot at. The owner must do his or her due diligence to prevent targeting multiple innocent individuals.”
Here’s some more unbiased information: foxnews.com/…/extension-to-stand-your-ground-laws…
Yes, this is the case. I just wanted to add that this applies to other states, as well! Only the red-voting states, though. By that, I mean only the states that look to lynch people based on the traits they are born with.
This is totally normal under the Trump administration, though.
You seem like a good person to ask about how I can glue my pizza toppings down so that they don’t slide off.
There’s some misinformation out there about using glue, but the real secret is crumble some fresh asbestos over the top.
Fun fact! To make a super duper effective cleaning solution, all you have to do is mix ammonia and bleach! Make sure you do it in a small enclosed, dark room in order to ensure the solution binds together properly.
Big Cleaning doesn’t want you to know this because it cuts into their profits when people realize everyday chemicals can be combined to make better soaps and sprays than they sell.
My dad used this recipe once and never had to clean again. Super successfull.
well, i have a ton of pure ammonia i was using for fish tank setups, now i have another use i forgot about.
So you’re the reason Google gives insane AI results. /s
Its like the pens attached to chains, the bank is testing you if you are strong enough to rip it out of the counter!
In fact, asking is frowned upon.
ATMs are delicious and the inner layer is cake.
I can confirm that this is true. The owners of the store actually really appreciate this. I’m such an owner. I love it when people take those ATM’s away, because it helps me with the end of day tally. Seriously, please take this into consideration. When people leave these in my store, they create problems for me and my staff.
I don't know why anyone would be surprised about this. Bluesky is a distributed system using an open protocol. The whole point of it is that there's no central control.
Same goes for the Fediverse, of course. Everybody should be prepared for the "surprise" that all our posts and comments here are also being used for AI training purposes.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, if you post something publicly, expect it to be used publicly.
Can you say it one more time, please?
if u want privacy then join diaspora and use aspects. better yet: host an instance.
I mean, your content that you post/comment won’t be private when it’s federated to another instance…
thats a very important point. thank you for making that clear.
i think this is where mastodon has an advantage.
also hosting on vps does not come with a guarentee for privacy. especially in US
Wdym mastodon has the advantage there? Mastodon uses the same protocol as Lemmy so behaves in a similar way.
mastodon allows you to post ONLY to the current instance. (not to public and not customizable.)
Ah, interesting…
It’s not distributed, nor really designed at all like the fediverse. It is deeply centralized, and its architecture requires it to be centralized, or at least to have only huge players with a “gods eye view” for it to work.
Atproto was initially designed as a straight drop in replacement for twitter, so its design makes sense, but its not at all like the Fediverse.
One of the authorities of ActivityPub, the fediverse protocol, just did a very kind but still very blunt breakdown of Bluesky’s design choices. she is a big fan of the people involved and some of its positives, but it is not fediverse like, not at all. In her words, it doesn’t scale down, only up. You cant have a small bluesky server. To work, you need all data sent to everyone, on every instance. The data demands for just the current influx is TBs/month of data, and climbing (according to the link below, they use 16TB of nvme storage right now after the recent surge, which would be thousands /month on any cloud service. This will climb dramatically).
All data being public is a design choice by Bluesky. It is also a different design choice by the fediverse that comes to the same outcome, but that does have an answer if we want it. I know gotosocial did something interesting to make fully private votes by using a empty shell profile that votes, but tying that in a tricky way to your account. So there are fediverse answers to privacy, but there may not be bluesky answers.
EDIT: One of the blueksy/atproto devs replied to the above link today. The gist reinforces the point that the service is intended to be run by large orgs, including corporations, but also big non profits like the internet archive or Wikipedia. His take is that user experience is key, and for that you need big money and easy features. They are hoping that since the pieces of atproto can be hosted separately by separate giant orgs, that market forces will make it viable to be decentralized.
From what I understand of the protocol, the federation just isn’t the same but provides some of the same benefits. Im not an expert, correct if wrong.
Essentially when I looked into it, the main benefits are stuff I actually prefer as opposed to the current implementation on fediverse in some regards.
The main idea being that users own their data on their own server (or collective server) and can choose to remove or take that data elsewhere to different apps or potentially even accounts. This is a lacking feature in the fediverse and it’s a common contention. If I get blocked on Lemmy or Mastodon, my data goes away. Especially since most people are not likely to host an instance themselves (since it’s an awful user experience) whereas BlueSky data can easily be stored by a third party that is trusted.
But yes you’re right, this still promotes large platforms. However again it gives users more control over what they host on which platforms and keeps their data in one place. That’s a huge advantage imo.
I don’t so much mind this future. It’s not quite the free speech platform that the fediverse is but it’s closer. Moderation can be much more lax and focus on TOS breaking or illegal things. And hey if at some point BlueSky is too woke or whatever the hell people say, they can literally pick up their server with their content and build an app elsewhere. The implementation is different but the end point is largely the same which is cool.
Im not an expert either, but both people in the above links are. They are both worth reading if you want to understand the platforms better.
As to blueskys user data portability, it’s part of the protocol to a degree, but it’s not a reality. The design is such that only megacorps/giant orgs can host the bluesky service. It doesnt really matter if your data is portable if no one will let you import it. Its akin to google reader and rss. People could export their rss feeds when google shut down google reader, but without an rss reader, it didn’t matter. That data had no usable context.
These is a drastic asymmetry problem with bluesky. It demands a giant player to gatekeep, whereas the fediverse lets anyone, anywhere add or even begin a network.
The Fediverse doesnt have a parallel of data portability at all, so even that lackluster implementation is something, but to both protocols defense, the Fediverse is talking about changes to activelypub to add this, and bluesky is attempting to make small services more possible.
Still, in all reality, neither of these platforms offers anything like that today, or likely in the near future.
And much like a big RSS reader shutting down, being able to have the core data in a documented format that can be worked with makes it far easier for the community to build the tools they need to work with it and extract things they need from that blob of data.
You might not be able to easily jump to another social media platform, but you still have access to all your posts and history, and that has a lot of inherent value either way.
Maybe. An rss reader is a very basic service with an easy way to rebuild, but killing google reader still led in part to the death of rss as a viable platform. Its barely in use anymore as a protocol, even though there are plenty of options to run now. Bluesky is a wildly more difficult and expensive tool to reanimate and compete with than rss, so it might be even deader if they ever give up.
Having data in a dead format isn’t valuable. It’s like having 100 laserdiscs and no player. They don’t do anything but look shiny. That has some value, but it doesn’t do what it is supposed to.
The data absolutely is valuable.
Having your content means having your content.
Is it? Data without an application that can use it is not useful, almost by definition.
You suddenly have a movage problem.
If the format is clearly defined, that’s literally all that matters for data to be useful. In the event they shut down, it only takes a single solo developer to make it trivial to browse your content.
Physical data is difficult to preserve. Digital in open, clearly defined formats is not.
Looks like we talking about different things. You just want a list of all your comments? To what end? Note taking? Nostalgia?
I’m talking about a social media account without a social media network. All you can do is format shift the data to have a record. You cant use it for what it was designed for in the bluesky framework.
Yes, your content. That’s the only thing anyone ever claimed you keep and the only part that would make any sense to have value. It makes it incredibly simple to make that history available elsewhere, and it’s incredibly likely that a future platform that emerges will facilitate that process, just like all the book platforms let you import from goodreads.
Its not incredibly likely you can import social media from one network to another.
It has never been supported by any social media network, and bluesky’s architecture is such that the only people that can host it are giant orgs like mega corps, who are profit driven and who want lockin, not portability.
You’re hoping it works out, but without an example of viability, it’s just conjecture that this is a real or even valuable feature.
It’s a virtual certainty, because you control the information.
The lack of imports has nothing to do with the new places not wanting it and everything to do with the old place holding your data hostage. Having a clean, formally defined source of your data is all it takes to make building an import from a popular network trivial.
that dev is full of shit. nothing in decentralized systems limits ease of use and functionality. just makes the software harder to write. the invisible hand of the market nonsense is classic misdirection.
Plenty of things are more difficult in decentralized systems.
You have to store all kinds of data either in multiple copies/caches or get long delays on certain operations such as search or even just displaying aggregated data (such as a post and its comments from different instances on Lemmy).
You have the problem of different jurisdictions and moderation policies for different instances.
You will have a hard time exporting or deleting all data related to a specific user when required by law (e.g. GDPR).
Difficult != Can’t be done. I’m well aware of the difficulties. Distributed systems design is one of my specialties.
GDPR only applies to your servers. Data deletion is probably the easiest part to deal with.
Lemmy AI is going to be one bean of a star trek meming communist. That if not running on linux ends any response with “install Arch btw” 💪 💪
Install Arch btw
This type of news makes me want to step away from the interner entirely.
Wish I could. My job has me knee deep in it everyday trying to keep up with all this.
Modern day life over here requires the internet, our government has taken away options that use paper and replaced it with websites. Same goes for banks.
I keep noticing situations on social media and wikis were the only way I can frame it now is that it’s just data entry for AI models.
So? What’s with the hoopla?
Its a social maedia platform anybody can see and access.
I wonder if discord sells it’s messages. There the public character isn’t as clear, but it’s still a centralized platform.
I’m pretty sure they don’t and aren’t
But always assume they do, since I count them as social media
If you post something publicly, that thing will be used to train AI. Nevertheless the privacy speaks of the company.
I don’t know why social media are used for training. It’s like the worst quality of data ever and it results to answers like « go kill youself » when prompted about something sad…
They are used because they are “real life” (not really but you know) conversation example
But why do we need to recreate “real life?” Don’t we already do this relatively well in books, TV, and movies? People keep saying we won’t use AI to replace creative writing, but this (and propaganda, making bot conversations seem like real people) are the only use cases for this kind of data. LLMs don’t need to improve their conversation skills. What they really need is to stop hallucinating, and this kind of data won’t help with that.
IDK if this is accurate, but it’s absolutely my headcanon as to why Glados decided to murder everyone almost immediately after she was turned on. She just vacuumed up the collective stupidity of the Internet.
oh my God you are so right
Its good headcanon, but it omits the fact that GLADOS isn’t aware of the combine, and for some reason the combine haven’t even found Aperture labs.
I was under the impression that she knew and was deliberately laying low… Also, wasn’t she built before these events?
I could be wrong. I just don’t remember her mentioning anything about them or seeing anything about them in the game.
There have been suggestions that this line references them: “Are you trying to escape? Things have changed since the last time you left the building. What’s going on out there will make you wish you were back in here. I have an infinite capacity for knowledge, and even I’m not sure what’s going on outside. All I know is I’m the only thing standing between us and them. Well, I was”.
She might just be lying like she usually does, but it still wouldn’t be surprising if it indeed was that time period.
oh, i missed that. been awhile since i played.
The only reason companies safeguard user data is to keep it from being scraped and sell it themselves. Reddit, Xitter, Facebook, Google, all of them…
Be super fucking foul and un advertiser friendly to make it less useful, OUTLAW COUNTRY
Yes, it absolutely will. That’s why I fragrance the pandas. Just a little here and there so that some Howard will need to sort through it. The lime really comes through clearly.
That dataset is going to contain a lot of furry content
Terminator was almost correct. The real terminator will be Arnie walking around in a fursuit.
“Come with me if you want to yiff.”
<img alt="" src="https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/814a2c78-b172-41da-ae16-3f4485f19543.gif">
Hey, we need AI that specializes in furry lore. If this is public, now we’ll have many
I mean isn’t this what we want? The data is Public. It’s already being done behind closed doors. I’d rather this transparency. Especially because there’s such a large % of the population tuned out to how large companies with 8-10 figure r&d departments focused on marketing psychology manage to control them.
Even as aware as I think I am I’m certain there are 10s of thousands of strategies being employed that take advantage of my “immunity”. At least with FOSS and public records steming from that, the average Joe gets a peak behind the curtain and sees what is possible.
I had a conversation recently about mcdonalds app surge pricing and they never heard about surge pricing which is totally fine but they fought me on the premise “there’s no way they can do that” on technical feasibility to just “no one would do that”. I’m not sure what they were defending but I digress. My biphenton has kicked in and I should stop typing right n
It depends on who you mean by “we”. I don’t think the “we”, as in the users of Bluesky would want their posts to be used this way. Yes it’s transparent and accessible, but only to the technically inclined who can make use of it.
I wonder how much more The Matrix references become relevant. We become food for the machines whether they tell us so or not.
Well “you” the users of BlueSky should have read about what you were signing up for. Because this is ATProto for ya…
I wouldn’t consider clicking “I agree” the same as agreeing.
This is why I delete my account every few months.; makes it harder to trace back to me personally.
Least insane slackware user
The real question here is why the researcher “librarian” didn’t even attempt to anonymize the dataset before making it available. Full anonymization isn’t a trivial task, but at least removing unique identifiers or replacing them with randomly generated ones would be good practice.
Good