Apple sued by shareholders for allegedly overstating AI progress (www.reuters.com)
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EON_GuG@lemm.ee on 23 Jun 23:45 next collapse

Was Apple Intelligence a fiasco?

JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 00:12 collapse

Have you seen the typical apple zealot?

MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca on 24 Jun 00:41 next collapse

Have you seen the typical Linux zealot lol

Draces@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 05:24 next collapse

Have you seen a Windows zealot?

Yeah me neither

fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk on 24 Jun 06:01 next collapse

They exist. Go on a Steam discussions page for a popular game that doesn’t currently support Linux, and create a new post politely asking about the possibility of Linux support.

*A wild WINDOWS ZEALOT appears*

suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 20:53 collapse

I have, quite a few in fact. Recently I got into a discussion with someone who was complaining about how bad Linux was because installing it from scratch took an extra ~20 minutes of configuration to set up drivers, meanwhile his Windows systems “just work”. What he didn’t mention, though, was that his Windows systems that “just worked” were pre-build machines that came pre-installed with Windows, in other words the manufacturer already did the hard part of getting all of the drivers installed ahead of time and baked into the image. Turns out he had never actually installed Windows on a bare-metal system before and had to deal with the absolute fucking nightmare Windows driver management is, so he had no basis for comparison, of course he refused to recognize that as a possibility though.

Draces@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 20:56 collapse

That doesn’t sound like zealot as much as someone who doesn’t want to think about it though

suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 20:58 collapse

In his mind, Windows works, Linux doesn’t, and nothing and no-one can convince him otherwise. That sounds like a zealot to me, but maybe you had something else in mind.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 07:53 collapse

As a FreeBSD zealot, I really don’t see anything far from norm with Linux zealots. They are a bit conflict-seeking and ignorant, but that’s ok.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 07:52 collapse

An apple has more intelligence.

audaxdreik@pawb.social on 23 Jun 23:57 next collapse

I really hope this goes somewhere.

Not because I have any sympathy for the shareholders, mind you, fuck absolutely everyone involved. But I think it would be very funny to make Apple prove in court that AI is such dogshit it would’ve hurt the product more to implement it than not.

EON_GuG@lemm.ee on 24 Jun 00:12 next collapse

The bad thing is that Apple would introduce Recall for all its devices in the future, just to keep its shareholders happy.

disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 02:02 collapse

Local Snapshots have been available on OSX and MacOS since 2011 as long as you use Time Machine to make backups.

EON_GuG@lemm.ee on 24 Jun 04:19 next collapse

I’m referring to Microsoft’s AI Recall, but Apple should apply it to its MacOS or all its devices.

kayazere@feddit.nl on 24 Jun 06:25 collapse

There‘s also the FSEvents database on the root of every disk which is a database of all the file events/operations that happened on that disk.

Supposedly you can disable it, but I haven’t got it to work. For example if you download a sensitive file, do something with it, and delete it. You can see this in the FSEvents database.

This is already a recall type feature at the file system level.

velanox@feddit.org on 24 Jun 06:43 collapse

NTFS has that exact feature too, a log of file operations on the disk. They’ve had it long before Recall was a thing.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 00:25 next collapse

I don’t remember writing this…or having that account!

CosmoNova@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 00:31 next collapse

The overpromising is criminal despite what the actual law says. Let the companies pushing AI beyond it‘s boundaries bleed.

Phen@lemmy.eco.br on 24 Jun 02:12 collapse

Meanwhile in my company the leadership just thinks that we have a messaging problem after the new AI stuff we implemented made absolutely no difference in the sales numbers.

magiccupcake@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 04:11 next collapse

I mean you do have a messaging problem. Your leadership has received bad messaging about what “AI” can do!

echodot@feddit.uk on 24 Jun 12:04 collapse

If they are anything like the leadership at my company they have received plenty of information about what AI can do from that IT, but you see they went to this convention in Las Vegas and some self-styled “business guru” told them everything they wanted to hear.

chaosCruiser@futurology.today on 24 Jun 05:26 collapse

Advertise more and sell harder. Who cares what kind of trash the customers end up buying, bevcause only profits matter.

MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip on 24 Jun 00:08 next collapse

I think Apple is going to have to release Safari for Windows and Linux to use new users as guinea pigs.

henfredemars@infosec.pub on 24 Jun 00:13 collapse

I did use Safari for Windows back in the day. It was a product they indeed shipped.

Loduz_247@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 00:29 collapse

Was Safari for Windows a good, bad, or average product?

SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jun 00:53 next collapse

Generally, Safari was kind of middling in function and design until around 2018, when it got more streamlined or something; at least, its apparent performance improved over the other browsers on macOS. It was novel on Windows but pretty limited and just, meh.

Edit: I forgot, the clean, minimalist, ad free reader view on the windows version was very nice to have. Long time ago!

Phen@lemmy.eco.br on 24 Jun 02:15 next collapse

I remember at one point the front-end guys I knew were laughing that it didn’t even support iframes. But I imagine it eventually got decent enough.

henfredemars@infosec.pub on 24 Jun 02:19 next collapse

It was fun! It worked well when compared with IE back in the day which isn’t saying much, but it was a sensible bedfellow with iTunes and all the Apple mobile support software that was common to run alongside for your iPod. I enjoyed using it as my main browser because it was aesthetically pleasing.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 07:56 collapse

Normal. I used Opera. QuickTime player for Windows was nice. Used it under W2K for most of media things in the interwebs.

henfredemars@infosec.pub on 24 Jun 00:15 next collapse

Apple used rigged demos and made false claims about their own technology so outstanding that their own project managers were taken aback by how far behind the features actually were vs. what was pushed. There’s already informal documentaries on the massive internal disconnects within Apple that have lead to poor product testing and stagnation.

MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip on 24 Jun 01:56 next collapse

There is some possibility that Tim Cook will resign or be fired.

EON_GuG@lemm.ee on 24 Jun 02:06 collapse

This can be a very good thing or a very bad thing.

neshura@bookwyr.me on 24 Jun 07:08 next collapse

For this to be a good thing the shareholders would need to agree to a technical CEO rather than a marketing one and that comes with the wee lil' issue of raining on their AI parade. If Tim Cook goes his replacement will be even worse.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 07:52 next collapse

It can be a very good thing if they try to actually become a normal company and not hype-serf.

Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 08:58 collapse

It would make no difference at all.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 07:51 collapse

So, your MO is fooling customers since Jobs. You learn that fooling customers doesn’t ever get punished. Then your shareholders become fooled well enough over time. Then your management is so involved in fooling customers and shareholders that they don’t know anything else. Then there’s bound to happen a moment.

CosmoNova@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 00:30 next collapse

All the shareholders of AI progressing companies should do this.

SalamenceFury@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 01:15 next collapse

I hope this is the beginning of the end for AI.

utopiah@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 09:56 collapse

What?! Haven’t your heard?

  • FSD is happening next year, for sure,
  • we’re still 18 months away from developers being replaced,
  • it’s “deep” reasoning, basically nearly ASI!

/s (obviously)

oakey66@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 01:41 next collapse

Instead of focusing on battery life, they focused on some dogshit hype product that no one uses and no body asked for.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca on 24 Jun 01:45 next collapse

Are you asleep? EVERYONE ASKED FOR AI IN ALL THE THINGS!

/s

oakey66@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 02:04 next collapse

Yep I’m asleep without my Apple watch because the battery barely holds out a day and a half.

kautau@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 03:03 collapse

THE SHARES! THEY NEED TO BE HELD! ONLY THE HOLDERS OF THE SHARES KNOW WHAT IS BEST!

/s

Loduz_247@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 04:22 collapse

Why doesn’t Apple become a PBC?

bilb@lemmy.ml on 24 Jun 09:23 collapse

A Pretty Big Company? I think they are beyond that classification.

J52@lemmy.nz on 24 Jun 02:28 next collapse

Let’s face it the problem is mostly the people. If AI was as super duper as claimed to be it would be able to construct advertising that makes everyone go: 'Yeah, I have to have this, it’s useful, ethical, the bees knees really. ’

The little advertising that still makes it over my thresholds is bad to abominable and of that what registers for me has the opposite affect it intents - I go out of my way to avoid it.

ksh@lemm.ee on 24 Jun 05:50 collapse

Apple professional management have run the company down with their many foolish decisions. Feels similar to how Microsoft became worse annd worse after XP.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 06:29 next collapse

After W2K I didn’t like XP all that much, it felt slower and was too “Chinese-looking” (how it could be said in my language in those years). Now I’m nostalgic over chromecore aesthetic and that look, silver Game Boy, silver PS2, silver SW Phantom Menace interiors. Or matte black as an alternative, too looking very cool. Or at least that “normal” matte white. But in UIs - XP felt a bit too much, tiring for my eyes. Still, XP with default blue theme and jump-to-lightspeed wallpaper is what home and nostalgie are for me.

graff@lemm.ee on 24 Jun 09:20 collapse

Never heard that phrase before. What language might that be if you don’t mind me asking?

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 09:29 collapse

Well, in Russia in early 00s (my childhood) they’d say that about things looking like Chinese toys of cheap plastic. As in “Chinese means cheap, but low-quality and probably a toy”. Such things were indeed mostly produced in China, so. It’s rather that back then you’d sometimes have better things, now everything is like this.

graff@lemm.ee on 24 Jun 19:42 next collapse

Ah. Thanks, that’s insightful :)

moakley@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 21:57 collapse

In English we used to use the word “Scotch”, like Scottish. We still use it to refer to scotch tape - cheap tape.

aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jun 23:01 collapse

Scotch tape is a brand name.

moakley@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 23:27 collapse

And it was named that because it was cheap tape.

raltoid@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 08:34 collapse

I’m pretty sure you can trace the management downturn of American companies back to a change in MBA curriculum.

You can see when they started getting hired after the shift. Where they were taught that as long as your department is doing well and has positive numbers, LITERALLY nothing else matters. The company could be crashing and burning around you, you might even be causing it, but as long as those numbers are going up, you’ll quickly get hired at another company. Because every single iota of their education is about pleasing investors who only care about money now, and not potential money in a few years.

echodot@feddit.uk on 24 Jun 12:02 collapse

They go on about long-term investment and then you find out that what they’re actually talking about is things that will start returning a profit in 6 months. Half a year is long-term to them.

If you have a long-term view and want to make quite a lot of money you probably couldn’t do better than shorting Apple stock. They never innovate anymore (every iPhone is literally the same as the previous years), and they spend huge amounts of money on failed projects (Vision Pro), meanwhile they continue not to fix ongoing serious issues (Safari).