Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
on 23 May 13:17
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Interestingly, I don’t think that’s going to happen. OPEC could decide to ramp up production if USA lowers theirs. Demand for oil isn’t rising the way it used to due to alternatives not only becoming viable but actually cheaper as well.
Better to laugh with its stupidity than to cry for it
random_character_a@lemmy.world
on 23 May 15:06
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Hysst. Let me enjoy my schadenfreude till the stench reaches here.
tinned_tomatoes@feddit.uk
on 23 May 15:09
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It is kinda funny watching the American Exceptionalism finally crumble before our eyes. Shame most Americans aren’t reflective enough to realise what’s happening.
ILoveUnions@lemmy.world
on 23 May 15:44
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American exceptionalism is the belief that word special, for good or bad. It’s just pouring on a different kind of Americans exceptionalists, the one who think our trajectory is something new.
This 100%. You’re getting downvoted but I don’t think Americans realize how irritating their fellow countrymen can be on the internet and in person to non Americans. There’s also the defaultism as if everyone is American (or wants to be American) which gets REALLY tiring after a while
Its extremely funny seeing idiot Americans who voted (and those who didnt vote at all) for a 34 count rapist felon, seditionous traitor and then protest by holding little signs and wearing pink jackets.
You guys only use your 2nd amendment rights in schools against children. America is a circus and Americans are the clowns.
This is the dumbest comment I’ve read all day but I’ve been chuckling about it for a good couple of minutes.
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 May 18:46
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Armchair Derangement Syndrome. It’ll be in the DRM-3000, the biggest and best book by the bestest doctors who have spent decades researching the woke mind virus. It’ll also cover things like “Fluoride Delusion Disorder” - the belief that fluoride in public water isn’t a government brainwashing program.
aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social
on 23 May 15:01
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It’s always disappointing to see how much people on here hate people with mental disabilities. Under no circumstances would anyone be OK with comparing Donald Trump to another minority. I think even insulting him by calling him fat is perceived as too gauche. But ableism? 100% OK by most of Lemmy.
Airline pilots and train drivers must be passed as mentally fit before they’re allowed to control the destiny of a few thousand people.
Perhaps at least that much care could be taken with the job that holds the ability to launch nuclear weapons.
aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social
on 24 May 15:11
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I had a co-worker who said he didn’t want a woman to be president because “she’d start a war every month.” I guess he’s not really misogynist like I thought.
harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 May 18:53
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I think most people on here are frustrated with the “sanewashing” by most media outlets.
The drumbeat of “ableism” is more of a bell ringing to make sure that people understand that Krasnov is very unwell and seriously unfit for any decision making position.
Wanting someone with disastrous mental health issues to not be capable of launching a nuclear strike isn’t ableism.
Would you loan a gun to a friend who’s been really depressed lately? According to you, you should.
aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social
on 24 May 15:23
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Krasnov
Wat?
Wanting someone with disastrous mental health issues to not be capable of launching a nuclear strike isn’t ableism.
Would you loan a gun to a friend who’s been really depressed lately? According to you, you should.
Oh, I forgot that Truman, the only person in history to actually use nuclear weapons, famously only did so because he had depression. Or he was a perfectly mentally well person who was also a racist to the extent that he didn’t care about the lives of Japanese children. One of those. I always get it confused.
Anyway, the answer to who I would loan a gun to and who should be capable of launching a nuclear strike is the same: no one. But I would trust your averaged depressed person with the nuclear codes more than I would Trump. To be clear: if Trump has a mental illness, that is not the thing that is wrong with him. What’s wrong with him is that he’s a fascist.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 May 17:27
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Yeah I don’t like the sort of sanism it often implies.
Sunsofold@lemmings.world
on 23 May 15:19
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Trump has a lot that seems might be wrong with him, but schizophrenia never really seemed to be on the list. Narcissism, dementia, psycho-/socio-pathy, compulsive lying, and possibly more, but I’ve never gotten the feeling he displayed the hyperpatternicity I associate with schizophrenia.
Sigh…at least Apple is getting screwed over though. They’ve been impeding right to repair for a long time, perhaps their karmic debt is finally catching up to them.
When the USA has no more industry, education, science, healthcare or employment and its people are dying younger and younger from preventable diseases it chose not to prevent, thousands of homeless pox-ridden Americans can watch Trump’s military parade destroy the streets of Washington DC and know that America is great again, before they are rounded up and sent to the camps. But at least they’ll have food there.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world
on 23 May 13:25
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Even with tariffs it’s still not financially viable to Apple to bring manufacturing to the U.S. and if they still decided to it would take 10to 15 years to get going. It ain’t gonna happen. Sad oompa-loompa.
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world
on 23 May 13:01
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he’s extorting everyone it has nothing to do with tariffs
Trump is playing the long game (or long-con). Changing laws about presidential reelection is next. And then he may die next term, but the Pope-killer will take over his reins.
Oompa loompa Trumpty Do, Donny is an idiot who flunked out of school. He is only know because of his daddy’s millions which he squandered like a stupid fool. Then one day television came to play. Donny sitting in his dirty run down office like a loser all day. They reinvented him as a successful business man, but the truth is he is a cuck with no fucking plan. Now this poser sits in the highest office of our land, shitting his pants and tweeting all day.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 May 13:02
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Tribute’s goin’ up, lads! Better shake them coffers empty, the Lord of Great Murika demands more mmmmoneyyyy!
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
on 23 May 13:04
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And so Apple’s breakdown begins. Trump smashing their overrated market position in the US. It’s the first time I would support his BS decisions.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
on 23 May 13:23
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I don’t, this is not a good thing. Threatening a company with punitive action bcz they didn’t capitulation to your whims is not a good thing. Nevermind that you cant just up and move your manufacturing overnight.
The right way to bring manufacturing back is to give companies incentives and investment funds for bringing manufacturing back over a certain number of years. A carrot and honey are a lot more convincing than vinegar when trying to get what you want.
That’s all true. But how do you feel for buying an already overpriced product, made by a greedy company which acts against software developers (by prohibidding selling their software on other market places and dictating prices), the environment, and the customer (repairability, compatibility and more restrictions) and the state (tax evasion)? I think Apple should get what they deserve.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world
on 23 May 13:52
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Yeah, right before we all go to work camps bcz the Trump administration said so. Great compromise.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 14:07
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Nobody forces people to buy Apple devices and no one forces developers to support Apple devices.
clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world
on 24 May 02:35
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on the other hand, who in America can hold trump accountable? don’t tell me it’s “the people”
angelmountain@feddit.nl
on 23 May 13:46
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Is this another pump 'n dump (or rather dump 'n buy a shitload and then change your mind again so the stock rises to the original level)?
toxicbubble@lemmy.world
on 23 May 13:48
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so many apple shills here… why not upgrade to an adult phone?
acosmichippo@lemmy.world
on 23 May 14:57
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it’s good that you have an adult phone, but maybe try acting like an adult with it.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 16:42
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Search “adult websites” to learn more.
TheRealKuni@midwest.social
on 23 May 15:26
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so many apple shills here… why not upgrade to an adult phone?
So this makes me laugh because when I was younger and had more time to spend with rooting and custom ROMs, I used Android phones. And I loved them!
Now that I’m older I use an iPhone (for a number of reasons) and I also love it!
It’s almost like smartphones are tools that fit their use case, and not something else up be tribal over.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 16:41
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I’m just curious about how anyone can get excited enough to love any smartphone these days? Seems a necessary evil to me and a vessel for enshitification.
What about the iPhone do you love so much?
TheRealKuni@midwest.social
on 23 May 22:12
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I guess “love” is a strong term. It does everything I need it to and I have very few complaints, the same experience I had with my Android phone.
Dekkia@this.doesnotcut.it
on 23 May 17:14
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Do you mean the ones with the big T9 keyboards so grandpa doesn’t have to wear his glasses while using his?
independantiste@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 14:03
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here we go again with he tariffs. his friends made back some money after the last crash he caused so now he can go back to crashing it
They didn’t make “back” money, they’re just making money. His friends are the ones telling him to say insane shit that drives the market (or specific targeted stocks like Apple) down, then they buy while it’s low. After a few days/weeks, he changes his mind/can’t enforce his nonsense and the stock goes back up, his friends sell and have nothing but profit. The majority of the shit he does is market manipulation to benefit himself and anyone riding his coattails.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world
on 23 May 14:08
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It sounds like he thinks the word “tariff” just means “payment”. Then he follows that with “[whoever he thinks should make the payment]”. Tariff by Apple, Tariff by China, etc. Honestly. I don’t know how else you can make it make sense.
All to try and flood the treasury so he can afford tax cuts he promised to donors.
Turns out running the government is hard and it sucks.
acosmichippo@lemmy.world
on 23 May 14:47
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he makes it sound like the manufacturers pay the tarriff so his moron supporters think it’s a good idea.
BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world
on 23 May 17:14
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If Apple is the importer of record for its products, then it does incur and pay the tariff to the U.S. government. But obviously that gets passed along to consumers as no company will simply eat the cost.
He wants to consolidate manufacturing to make the US more self sufficient. The tariffs are simply a tool to designed to encourage local manufacturing.
He wants to start dominating smaller countries just like Russia and China. As well as annexing neighbors. He wants to do what Hitler couldn’t. He wants to use the most powerful military in the world.
If he wants to go to war, then he’s probably going about things the right way. Historically, being reliant on other countries for your supply chain can be a huge liability in war. For example, we were in danger of losing WW2 because of a lack of access to rubber. We need it for boots and tires, and we got it all from South East Asia, our access to rubber was completely cut off by Japan, it was a huge problem until we developed synthetic (plastic) rubber. We literally wouldn’t have been able to put boots on the ground or vehicles on the road.
If we were to end up in a conflict with China for instance, we would lose access to a lot of high tech manufacturing, we suddenly wouldn’t be able to make new computers. That could be bad.
Anyway, the signs are all here, Hitler V2 wants to mobilize soon.
Thats hilarious as usual when it comes to Trump. :)
And the tone… I expect… The president for a few months, who has been in jail and is full of lies, expects someone, which he doesnt know by the right name, to comply with arbitrary rules…
With more automation wouldn’t it possibly cost less than this? On Taiwan the balance between automation and human labor is due to their costs of labor and automation.
In any case more expensive than on Taiwan, though.
If US cost of labor drops sharply due to a few bubbles exploding, or a few nukes explode somewhere causing harm to world economy, then having such plants already in place might be retrospectively considered a wise decision.
Consumer hardware is now being used in wars on scale, changing all balances. So I think everybody is going to do what Trump is doing. Keep complex processes inside if they have the knowledge and ability, and try to gain knowledge and ability if they don’t.
I don’t think it’s bad. Socialists will finally see a situation which their ideology fits best. Industrial specialties, even worker-level ones, teach people to think in a way making idiotic websites in some modern framework doesn’t.
All that, of course, is sometime after the hellish hell we’re going to see making us work to achieve it.
Volume matters for automation. Us made market would be only for us. 15 to 20% of cell market. Less by volume.
India afaik only assembles. Its the components that are highly automated.
25% tariffs on all phones in us because all are made outside of us, is just a sales tax on a modern necessity. Will still be hard to invest on us manufacturing or assembly
Well, on Mastodon they are already called “toots”, which is kind of American slang for a fart anyway. So ya, switching to calling them “Trumps” is not far off…
azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 17:37
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Little Donnie diaper, if you know so much about iPhones then you make them.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk
on 23 May 17:54
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Apple spent millions per year in fines for decades just because Steve Jobs didn’t want illuminated fire exit signs polluting the decor of his Apple stores. Their cash reserves exceed $150bn. They won’t do anything they don’t want to do.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 23 May 17:58
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I bet Tim Apple is really happy about his large donation to the Trump inauguration.
Then again, if you’re that rich, maybe having some intelligence and foresight should be an expectation. If you don’t have those things, maybe you shouldn’t be rich.
That said, for a 25% tariff, it isn’t even close. Still far cheaper for Apple to manufacture outside of the US and pass that additional cost to the US consumer.
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world
on 23 May 23:39
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Tim Apple wipes his ass with million dollar bills.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org
on 24 May 01:08
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It is, perhaps, the only thing he touches that is made in the USA.
Shanedino@lemmy.world
on 23 May 18:34
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The more I think about it doesn’t trump just want to raise taxes without explicitly raising taxes.
medgremlin@midwest.social
on 23 May 19:15
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*Raise taxes on poor people. The billionaires can easily just fly to Europe for a shopping spree attached to their regular weekend jaunt and bring everything home in their luggage (if they cared about the prices of anything to begin with, that is).
you fucking idiot, it’s NEVER EVER EVER coming to the US.
NEVER.
a 25% increase in cost is still MUCH more preferable to bringing all of that shit to the US. probably by orders of magnitude. can you even fathom (of course you can’t) what you would need to do to have a 100% American iphone?
let’s say you’re bringing the iphone manufacturing plant to the US. let’s even assume this move is subsidized so the new factory is going to cost only time.
the iphone isn’t put together from mere atoms. parts of it need to be manufactured first. there’s the screen, the glass, the aluminum case, several cameras, the battery, the ram, the storage, the CPU, the GPU, the receiver, accelerometer, gyroscope, etc etc… how much of that shit do you think is made in the USA?
so there’s tariffs an all of that. or to avoid them you need to make several new factories, and have other companies that provide these things also move their factories… and these factories don’t just have people create electronics by hand. you need machines. where do you think those are made? who makes them? so now you need the manufacturers of manufacturing robots to move their factories to the US.
and all these factories now employ people with much higher salaries.
all in all, a move like that would halt production for years and when it comes back every iphone would probably cost $47000.
damn it’s been a while since I’ve watched him. it’s just all been current events lately and even though I’m keeping up with the news, i couldn’t watch him because the way his show covers things usually make things much more depressing. I’ve instead been venting here and shit. I’m gonna have to catch up though eventually, it’s still very informative.
But we can just import some of the things we need as we build up the more valuable end of supply chains. I’m sure they’ve thought of that and there are no tariffs impeding those prerequisites, right? Right?
Excuse me, sir. There is no town in Mississippi called “Bumfuck”. That town is firmly within the boundaries of Iowa.
Mississippi would never stoop to the level of Iowa in having Bumfuck, Iowa. Mississippi is more elegant in its nomenclature. Thus, if you wish to make a point about a town in the middle of nowhere in Mississippi, please respect Mississippi by referring to such a town as Cousin-Hump, Mississippi. Thank you.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today
on 23 May 20:45
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Based on the numbers from Purism, it could be a lot more than 25% more expensive to manufacture everything in USA. Purims Librem 5 costs 799 $, while the made-in-America version costs 1999 $. That’s roughly a 2.5x difference. Obviously, economies of scale play a role too but let’s assume that the same factor applies to iPhones too. If so, the fanciest iPhone would cost about 4000 $.
too lazy to check but does the “made in America” version have all its parts also made in America? coz i doubt it. if not, each and every part made outside the US would also get tariffed.
They have a different supply chain for it where European manufacturers are used for some parts.
But some things are only made in China. So I think what was said is Purism source some of the raw materials for these items and have them made to a higher tolerance for reliability.
Ts the entire supply chain that’s the problem. I keep reading stories about Apple pre-buying the entire output of factories for multiple years. For the thousands of parts in a modern phone, how do you expect entire parts industries to spring up overnight on the scale that Apple sells phones? Then entire resource and tooling chains to support those? And we’re making it even more impossible with blindly applying tariffs everywhere so you couldn’t even get established
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world
on 23 May 20:56
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That McGee book is pretty startling. $55B USD per year for how many years to develop plant and expertise in China over the past decade or two and that’s going to be reversed how exactly?
I mean, if the US can swing it, good for them, but it’s a bit like asking parents to produce Usain Bolt immediately or pay 25% higher income tax.
Plus a consistent supportive economic policy. I haven’t read the book to know what’s included in that $55B, but I know it’s been a long term effort and no business will try to build such capability in chaos and personality cults.
Republicans talk about being best for business is sort of like their “family values”: mostly talk, mostly opposite
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 23 May 22:02
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And they’d still need to maintain their non-US factories due to the retaliatory tariffs many countries are putting on US products.
JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world
on 24 May 03:29
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Most of the Iphone is not Chinese, the screens are made by Samsung in Korea, and the chips are from Taiwan. Only the fiddly final assembly is done in China.
THIS IS WHY TARIFFS NEVER WORK. In the long term tariffs actually encourage manufacturing to leave the country charging tariffs, not move manufacturing there. It’s much cheaper to pay the tariffs once, on the final product, than to pay the tariffs on every part that is required moving back and forth across an “imaginary line” (border in Trump-speak).
None of Trump’s tariff bolstering hurts Apple at all. They are a global company and can easily adjust around the asinine policies of America for a few years. Americans will get sick of paying a minimum of 25% more for EVERYTHING, while the rest of the world continues on as if nothing happened. Eventually Americans will see that the rest of the world has all the nice things and they’ve become a self imposed Soviet-era block country that has nothing and has to line up for toilet paper, and they’ll be right pissed. Until then, enjoy your delusion. 👏
tariffs could work if you’re not the US. the problem is the US doesn’t make anything.
for normal countries you could use tariffs to encourage products made inside the country. but for that to haopen:
you need the products to already be manufactured inside the country
you need to have targeted tariffs that apply specifically to those products and not blanket tariffs that would apply to each and every part of product, which would make it infinitely more expensive to manufacture inside the country than outside.
so for example if your country has a decent production of bananas but people for some reason prefer to buy imported bananas way more than homemade ones, you might have some tariffs on bananas to try and reduce waste.
for that to be effective, you can’t also have tariffs on soil, farming equipment and whatnot that might be going into your homemade potato production. otherwise you’d have homemade potatoes more expensive then imported ones.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org
on 24 May 08:59
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Tariffs can also be an effective way of balancing buisness advantages. An example: Germany has quite high standards in its farming sector. This applys to what pesticides you are allowed to use, how much fertiliser you can use, what conditions animals have to live in and so on. Everything that you have to do to comply with these rules costs money, so in order to still make a profit you need to charge quite high prices. If you then compare these with the almost non existent standards of, as example Brazil, you quickly realise, that they are capable of producing goods much cheaper (who could have guessed, that its cheaper if you can just imassively increase your land by land grabbing, giving a shit on everything and using the most efficient, but very cruel, ways to feed and hold your livestock). Due to this, beef that gets imported into Germany from Brazil, thanks to Mercosur without any tariffs, will be magnitudes cheaper than locally made. This kills your local farming sector and also does massive damage to Brazil’s citizen and enviroment (its a massive brainfuck how farming works there). If you want to counteract this you could charge tariffs, so that the consumer starts preferring locally made products, because they are cheaper. This also is an incentive for Brazil to better regulate its farming industry.
Pretty much every country, including US, has successfully applied targeted tariffs to specific things for specific reasons. Usually you’re protecting an existing industry, but you could even build a supply chain by balancing it with targeted incentives, and bringing them together with a long term strategy to grow that specific segment.
For example, we used to have a complex strategy for helping legacy car manufacturers transition to new technology. We had incentives to build a market, manufacturing incentives and other assistance, we had targeted loans and guided research to build the technology, obtain the resources, build the infrastructure, we had well targeted tariffs protecting them from specific “predatory” countries, and much more. In a decade or so, our legacy automakers would have transitioned to new technology, with at least similar manufacturing presence in the us and a strong global presence. It was slow, bumbling and inconsistent but it would have worked. Now we’re likely to end up with failing manufacturers unable to compete on the global market, and with their us market shrinking to nothing as they continue to focus on large, inefficient, outdated, polluting technology that can only be sold locally.
The other problem with moving manufacturing due to tariffs is that tariffs can always be changed, whereas moving manufacturing is a longer term investment that can cost millions, if not billions when it comes to things like chip fabs. No one wants to make an investment like that, only to have their investment suddenly become worthless because some politician decided to change how the tariffs work.
Trump’s idiotic and constant flip-flopping on these tariffs have completely destroyed any chance of them actually accomplishing anything (not that they really had a great chance of that in the first place, but anyway…), because no one is going to move a factory to the US when Trump can and will change his mind based upon a whim or whoever is whispering in his ear that moment.
Can you imagine if Joe Biden said shit like "I'm going to make your pleb shit more expensive because I refuse to just admit a mistake and therefore will double down on my bad policy."
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 21:48
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Lol Biden is the type of person who would order a burger, then the retaurant brings him a salad and then he’s like 🤷♂️ well I guess I’m having a salad, I can’t confront people, norms and traditions
AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world
on 23 May 22:27
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Given recent revelations, more like he’d just assume that’s what he ordered and eat it.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
on 23 May 23:09
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And it would be amazing to still have the senile cancerous old man over the demented lying sack of shit. But regardless pointing out the sycophantic double standards of his nasty idiotic supporters and theur never ending bad faith is a good reminder that western democracy has been deathly wounded by the corrupt elite and the intellectually lazy populace.
clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world
on 24 May 01:32
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Spineless Joe and DNC
Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 May 09:12
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Back to lemmygrad now fuckwitticus maximus
DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
on 23 May 19:13
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I oppose tariffs, but I’m also somewhat indifferent to the fortunes of Apple.
Coming this fall: the new iPhone Republican edition (iPhone RE)
-cheaper construction and materials, yet somehow features a higher price tag
-tons of backdoors (this time, intentional)
-only connects to approved propaganda sites
-reports all biometric data to the GOP
-zaps you whenever it detects a thought the party dislikes
-integrates with neurolink (not optional, you sick deviant)
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world
on 23 May 19:46
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camera moves to the right. Plus, you cant swipe left anymore and only swipe right
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 22:02
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iPhone XR
Xitter [R-Slur] Edition
Or
Xenophobic Recession Edition
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 23 May 19:40
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The goal is fine but that isn’t anywhere near enough to force production into the US
Unless it’s like American rockets that are made in China, and assembled in the US so they can throw a sticker on it
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world
on 23 May 19:44
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you know how trolls respond in games or everywhere online? Exactly like this. Did Don forget to breath while writing that run-on sentence?
superminerJG@lemmy.world
on 23 May 19:46
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Trump on his way to make Android phones more popular (they’re not as highly tariffed)
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 23 May 21:49
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Making America great again by increasing Samsung’s market share.
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 21:49
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Why isn’t Samsung or Motorola highly tariffed? It’s the same, right?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 23:30
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Apple is more or less getting individually tariffed because stupid.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
on 23 May 20:30
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Krasnov fails to realize the shareholders hold the power to decide manufacturing sites.
TorJansen@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 20:59
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I see the problem here. He’s talking to Tim Cook, who’s CEO of some cooking company. He needs to talk to Tim Apple.
jim3692@discuss.online
on 23 May 22:48
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He’s actually cooking apple pies. Or is it called baking? Is it Tim Bake?
MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world
on 23 May 22:19
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You can know the impact of what building in the US would be by looking at Purism. They sell a Linux phone for $800. If you want the same phone built in the US, they charge $2000.
It really depends on what Trump means by " built in the US". It won’t be that big of a jump if Apple is just assembling them there. If every component has to come from the US it’s likely impossible.
Apple is vertically integrated in a way many companies are not. It would be bad for them for sure but they already have really high profit margins. They could eat the cost and assemble in the US, but they won’t because they are already a velban good.
Tarriffs are an articulable cost that can be direclt passed on to the consumer. Income taxes would be something more manageable and the company would need to figure out what to pay. But, Republicans increasing taxes on their donors? Ha!
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works
on 23 May 23:34
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Killing Biden’s CHIPs act certainly didn’t help that cause.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 May 23:46
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He will kill and reinstate it to sell it as his own doing.
Obviously guided by his counselers and consultants.
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world
on 24 May 00:22
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It was a horrible idea, absolutely terrible for us, we were being ripped from with waste fraud and abuse. We have the best plan, everyone says so. The concept of a plane, that will be immense.
cabron_offsets@lemmy.world
on 23 May 23:48
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Tim Apple could just buy him a fucking plane and be done with it. And that would open up some interesting opportunities, nahmean?
Look at this. I have the onnly Tim Apple gifted, solid gold iPhone with a diamond oh-lit screen. Look at this, isn’t it beautiful? It’s so beautiful. Me-lah-nee-uh is jealous.
This and the solid gold Tim Apple laptop cah-puter were gifted to the department of defense. A bunch of sad losers and suckers are crying because they don’t have one.
It would take MINIMUM 10 years to even come close to like 60% manufactured in US. And that’s assuming the US upends the entire global tech industry by coming even kind of close to TSMC’s chip manufacturing tech.
This is actually a real socialist or even communist policy. The State controlling the businesses.
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world
on 24 May 00:21
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It is authoritarian. Communist system devolve to authoritarianism because it is a natural progression (easy to do). Socialists can, but a good democratic political structure makes it harder.
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world
on 27 May 14:44
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Are most people in “the west” worse off today than they were 150 years ago? Are there fewer well functioning democracies than there were then? Has no minority group seen any improvement in their freedom? Has there been no improvement in how people interact with each other? No improvement in poverty?
MasterBlaster@lemmy.world
on 27 May 14:37
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Yes, of course. Capitalism is an economic framework. A good political framework is needed, just like i said for socialism. This is a failure of the U.S. political implementation not of capitalism as a system of commerce. I would never say capitalism is the answer to all social ills. Your statement feels like a way to say I am wrong, so if I misunderstood, sorry.
Look up what a co-op is. You seem to have substantial misunderstanding that socialism is a replacement for democracy; it’s a replacement for capitalism.
What does it have to do with the fact you cannot identify a single socialist country where the workers are actually the owners of the production means?
So, socialism doesn’t exist according to your definition since nowhere on this planet workers control shit.
Ask former Soviet workers, Chinese workers, Cuban workers, North Korean workers and Vietnamese workers how much control on production they have.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world
on 24 May 05:02
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Sure thing Cap’n - first thing in the morning I’ll be going around knocking on doors to try to find Soviet, Chinese and Cuban workers to ask them about their opinions.
Grow up, but read a book or two first.
I’ve been to China. I’ve been to Cuba. Have you?
Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 24 May 09:10
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I’ve been to cuba, most I talked to described it as a censorship filled shithole, but that’s over 10 years ago now anyway.
Yea it’s less than wonderful. You’ll have some places that are beautiful and flourishing right next to a place that’s barely standing. The paint, building materials, etc gets divvied out based on bribes to the govt.
Cuba pretty much sucks, but their healthcare is really really good.
Thanks, so the nearest thing to socialism is what Trump is doing, being elected by workers, trying to intervene into businesses using the government power to make them adopt his own views even if detrimental to the businesses themselves. Protectionism isn’t a right wing policy, it’s a left wing policy. Usually, the right wing is favorable to free markets and free trade and low level of government involvement into businesses.
Frankly, the Republicans should be horrified by these policies and the direction this administration is heading to.
It is paid by consumers, not Apple. Other phone companies will raise prices as well to increase their profits, since iPhone prices will set a new high price. When Apple prices goes up 25% other phone companies can increase their prices by 15% and still be competitive to apple.
Actually to make same profit due to lower phone sales Apple may have to raise price even higher than 25% or find other ways to get consumers to pay more. Die hard fans of Apple will buy, whatever the price.
Formfiller@lemmy.world
on 24 May 01:42
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Failed business man telling people how to run their businesses. I’ve got an idea about how to make American manufacturing cheaper universal healthcare.
Ironfist@sh.itjust.works
on 24 May 02:15
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This is what you get for bending down to the tyrant in inauguration day. You cant appease tyrants, you must fight them.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today
on 24 May 04:14
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They did, or at least Tim Cook did.
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world
on 24 May 12:12
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This won’t hurt apple one bit. They will pass the cost on t to American consumers. This is a 25% tax on everyday Americans to pay for the billions of dollars of tax cuts for the rich.
foodconsumer@lemmy.world
on 24 May 03:16
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iPhones not iPhone’s… Who let this idiot be in charge of anybody? Did he even go to school?
foodconsumer@lemmy.world
on 24 May 03:18
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LMFAO it’s the entire fucking tweet!! Thank your for your… omg you are the president of the united states get grammarly or something…you sound even dumber than the people who voted for you…
Made in India + 25% tariff is still cheaper than made in Murica.
That BS is just for media.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
on 24 May 12:31
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And it’s actually usable.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
on 24 May 07:47
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Tbf the labor will be done by the minorities and undesirables they will keep throwing in prison without due process
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub
on 24 May 14:18
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along with the poor white folk who voted for him.
That sounds like a nice mix where nothing terrible could happen. Tons of black and brown people surrounded by the poor white rural idiots that disenfranchised both of their lives.
Nocomment@reddthat.com
on 24 May 03:32
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An extra 25% must be paid by consumers. Like every other tariff. New taxes be like that.
And if similar is on every phone? You can’t really do without a phone so at that point, it’s 25% inflation.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world
on 24 May 05:15
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Well, technically, any kind of tariff added to the import is always paid by Apple, who else would pay it? Some unrelated company? A foreign country?
They will simply increase the price by an amount that will keep them making the same amount of money. The main problem is that because they like to do a round price worldwide, we European we’ll pay more too, so they can make more money. Assholes
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world
on 24 May 08:48
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If Apple can push the price further into the thousands won’t Samsung, etc follow anyway?
People thought a phone that was $1000 would never sell, Apple came out with the pro models and now here we are with the high end models all being a thousand plus.
I wonder if he knows apple simply can not comply with this. Apple doesn’t know how to make iPhones (at the scale and rate needed) and no one in the US does either.
He still has absolutely no clue how tariffs work. Amazing for someone who throws them left and right without thinking. Although the latter might explain it.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
on 24 May 12:30
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It blows my mind when people say he has a reason for his tarriffs and it’s about enrichen his friends. He’s braindead and tarriffs is just the new word he learned. Tim Apple is gonna be mad.
The worst take from his opposition: “trumps such a dumb idiot”. And it’s why the left gets out-maneuvered; they imagine those on the right as only either 1. Imbeciles 2. Racists.
The right sees the left as cunning, and strategizes how to outplay them.
The left sees the right as backwards morons, and strategizes how to insult them. It seems to be the main play, and is doing him a favor by shutting down closer examination.
if that’s the case, if he’s just an idiot puppet, why spend energy attacking him and his character specifically? It doesn’t persuade anyone on the right, and it doesn’t help the left focus on the people pulling the strings.
The news, and left leaning communities online, have told me every day for 8+ years that trump is stupid, etc. What’s the point?
I dunno, why are we still talking about Bidens brain so often? Because it’s salacious. The absolute most braindead motherfucker is president, again, and people are pissed
MapleEngineer@lemmy.world
on 24 May 12:10
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This isn’t about making Apple make iPhones in the US. This is a 25% tax on everyday Americans that the fascists will blame on Apple for not making iPhones in the US and use to give tax breaks to the rich. Trump and his cabal are reverse Robin Hooding the American people and 70 million of them are lining up to lick his boots for it.
You know that is somewhat true. What everyone could see when I was kid has come to pass. The people like trump and the actual billionaires in this country sold us out then. They sold us out by moving all the manufacturing offshore. Now these same greedy trash humans want all that back since they have realized that the ability to manufactures products was the United States real power. They delivered millions of my parents generation into poverty and wage slavery to make a buck by moving the job overseas. Now these horrible people and their followers are doing the same thing to try to get it back. They don’t understand nor do they care about the real people in this country. Only about themselves.
Their followers who are not profiting from this must be really, really stupid.
DrDeadCrash@programming.dev
on 24 May 14:29
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Their followers who are not profiting from this must be really, really stupid.
The reason why manufacturing was moved offshore was because it cost more money to produce the goods in the states and they had to adhere to us regulation. Products are cheap because they’re build offshore. No one actually wants the factory jobs back in the states because they’ll be too expensive to produce, and a lot of the jobs will be done by bots anyway. If the iPhone was the be built in the states it would cost $3.5k. Billionaires want a peasant class. They’re envious of China - lots of low educated people earning nothing working long hours. Billionaires have low self esteem.
Yeah. I’m typing this on a $300 Chinese phone with 10600mAH battery, reverse wireless charging, a thermal imaging camera, and it’s waterproof and shock resistant.
It’s 27T Pro. I like it better than the iPhone it replaced.
The only downsides I’ve seen so far are that it requires a separate app for wifi calling and it has fewer zoom options for the camera.
I’d like to figure out how to get the IR blaster to read signals (so I can easily clone my remotes).
Shit duee my unlocked Sony Xperia has WiFi calling locked via the carrier 😅
I’m no slouch when it comes to basic tech literacy, but I was left scratching my head when I watched the WiFi calling setting literally disappear before my eyes. Fuck AT&T (at least I’m on a cheap plan)
DicJacobus@lemmy.world
on 24 May 15:32
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how long is it going to take, before you realize its too late? if they didn’t realize by now, they aren’t going to
At the end of the day it’s all of it. Some of it is built into their existing model, some of it is constant etc but they include it all in the calculations to come up with the prices. New costs like these tariffs get added to the overall margin calculation and a new price is set.
pineapplelover@lemm.ee
on 24 May 18:06
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Unless the companies eat the tariffs. But greedy companies will pass them on
Still there is another side of it that also interesting. These companies has done their calculations so the cost of the product is perfect. Increasing that price means less people will buy the product.
It’s extremely misleading to say “companies do not pay tariffs” and then immediately explain that companies do indeed pay tariffs.
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
on 24 May 13:08
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This past Monday, John Stewart of The Daily Show interviewed Patrick Mcgee who discussed the jaw-dropping amounts of money Apple spent building out Chinese electronics supply chains which had deep implications. -It made for an interesting case if true.
On that note, I suspect that a 25% tax is cheaper by far than the cost of building out state of the art silicon fab on US soil, plus the additional cost of paying Americans to do the manufacturing/assembly. Would you rather buy an iPhone for $1250 or $4000?
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
on 24 May 14:59
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People are looking to much into his Tax Bill and Crypto Dinners. They can’t pass legislation secretly in the dead of night if the media and public aren’t distracted by bullshit.
It hasn’t been half a year yet and the firehouse of chaos that is Trump is impossible to keep up with.
CSJDIA.
UltraBlack@lemmy.world
on 24 May 16:32
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Did trump just confuse a possessive s for a plural s?
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br
on 24 May 16:58
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Autocorrect more likely
pineapplelover@lemm.ee
on 24 May 18:05
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It happens to people and I don’t know why
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz
on 24 May 18:24
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style errors are easily forgiven. study a foreign language or a programming language to get some empathy
suspending habeas corpus? he should be in so many heaps of trouble. the guillotine was a nasty, evil piece of work, and anyways
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All those hours spent on that tiny screw game is finally going to pay off!
how do you know what I call sex?
Everyone talks about it behind your back. Sorry.
Trump has become schizophrenic again.
4 more years of this comedy over there, im laughing too much already! xD
it’s not very funny
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Interestingly, I don’t think that’s going to happen. OPEC could decide to ramp up production if USA lowers theirs. Demand for oil isn’t rising the way it used to due to alternatives not only becoming viable but actually cheaper as well.
yea, probably so
OPEC will reduce production if the price of oil goes too low.
In a recession with lower demand and everyone hunkering down oil prices probably decline.
Better to laugh with its stupidity than to cry for it
Hysst. Let me enjoy my schadenfreude till the stench reaches here.
It is kinda funny watching the American Exceptionalism finally crumble before our eyes. Shame most Americans aren’t reflective enough to realise what’s happening.
American exceptionalism is the belief that word special, for good or bad. It’s just pouring on a different kind of Americans exceptionalists, the one who think our trajectory is something new.
Also, we do. A lot of us do…
This 100%. You’re getting downvoted but I don’t think Americans realize how irritating their fellow countrymen can be on the internet and in person to non Americans. There’s also the defaultism as if everyone is American (or wants to be American) which gets REALLY tiring after a while
Its extremely funny seeing idiot Americans who voted (and those who didnt vote at all) for a 34 count rapist felon, seditionous traitor and then protest by holding little signs and wearing pink jackets.
You guys only use your 2nd amendment rights in schools against children. America is a circus and Americans are the clowns.
The people who go out and protest are very likely people who voted, and not for him.
What you are doing is lumping 65% of the population that isn’t like that with the 35% minority that is partially like that. Don’t be ignorant.
Adding up the people who didn’t vote to the people that voted for the orange one, it’s more like 65% of USAmericans are like that
I wish I could argue with this.
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are you going to keep laughing when he extorts another world leader of a country Russia is invading? Or helps finish off palestine for good?
it effects the entire world pal, just cause its not visibly right outside your front door doesnt mean youre above it
also, being smug is a shitty look
Let’s not armchair diagnose people, please.
I think you suffer from anti armchair diagnosis.
This is the dumbest comment I’ve read all day but I’ve been chuckling about it for a good couple of minutes.
Armchair Derangement Syndrome. It’ll be in the DRM-3000, the biggest and best book by the bestest doctors who have spent decades researching the woke mind virus. It’ll also cover things like “Fluoride Delusion Disorder” - the belief that fluoride in public water isn’t a government brainwashing program.
Let's. And don't tell us what to do.
I think I will. Thanks for your input though.
You’re right. There’s absolutely no evidence of Trump being not of sound mind.
Lmfao
It’s always disappointing to see how much people on here hate people with mental disabilities. Under no circumstances would anyone be OK with comparing Donald Trump to another minority. I think even insulting him by calling him fat is perceived as too gauche. But ableism? 100% OK by most of Lemmy.
They don’t hate people with disabilities, they just don’t want them to be President.
That’s ableist though. Implies disabled people are inherently inferior if you don’t want them to be president.
Roosvelt was in a wheelchair much of his time and he did “fine”.
(Technically I’m against the idea of politicians at all so don’t feel like glorifying them).
We’re not talking about “disabled people”, we’re talking about people with mental illness that impairs them.
Physical disability is absolutely not be the same thing. Would you vote fuckin Ted Bundy for President?
Okay so just complete anarchy then? Everyone for themselves?
Lol, is this your first time encountering an anarchist?
No I’m just in complete shock that they exist every time. It’s like coming across a flat-earther.
I feel the same way each time I come across a lib, so it’s a mutual experience
Airline pilots and train drivers must be passed as mentally fit before they’re allowed to control the destiny of a few thousand people.
Perhaps at least that much care could be taken with the job that holds the ability to launch nuclear weapons.
I had a co-worker who said he didn’t want a woman to be president because “she’d start a war every month.” I guess he’s not really misogynist like I thought.
I think most people on here are frustrated with the “sanewashing” by most media outlets.
The drumbeat of “ableism” is more of a bell ringing to make sure that people understand that Krasnov is very unwell and seriously unfit for any decision making position.
Wanting someone with disastrous mental health issues to not be capable of launching a nuclear strike isn’t ableism.
Would you loan a gun to a friend who’s been really depressed lately? According to you, you should.
Wat?
Oh, I forgot that Truman, the only person in history to actually use nuclear weapons, famously only did so because he had depression. Or he was a perfectly mentally well person who was also a racist to the extent that he didn’t care about the lives of Japanese children. One of those. I always get it confused.
Anyway, the answer to who I would loan a gun to and who should be capable of launching a nuclear strike is the same: no one. But I would trust your averaged depressed person with the nuclear codes more than I would Trump. To be clear: if Trump has a mental illness, that is not the thing that is wrong with him. What’s wrong with him is that he’s a fascist.
Yeah I don’t like the sort of sanism it often implies.
Trump has a lot that seems might be wrong with him, but schizophrenia never really seemed to be on the list. Narcissism, dementia, psycho-/socio-pathy, compulsive lying, and possibly more, but I’ve never gotten the feeling he displayed the hyperpatternicity I associate with schizophrenia.
Honestly he sounds like just about every old man I’ve ever met, rambling on about whatever nonsense is running through his head at any given moment.
That’s unfortunate. Most octogenarians I’ve met are far more thoughtful and kind than Trump has ever been.
Sigh…at least Apple is getting screwed over though. They’ve been impeding right to repair for a long time, perhaps their karmic debt is finally catching up to them.
nah they just need to survive the storm for a yeas and a half and start funding dems house races. far cheaper than allowing you to repair your device.
Thank you for your attention to this matter
infighting in america. im lovin it!
When the USA has no more industry, education, science, healthcare or employment and its people are dying younger and younger from preventable diseases it chose not to prevent, thousands of homeless pox-ridden Americans can watch Trump’s military parade destroy the streets of Washington DC and know that America is great again, before they are rounded up and sent to the camps. But at least they’ll have food there.
Surprise!
There actually isn’t any food there.
Also wont matter because 50% of the population would have to go to war, if he keeps this up.
Yum, Soylent green.
infighting will lead to outfighting, you won’t be lovin that.
Even with tariffs it’s still not financially viable to Apple to bring manufacturing to the U.S. and if they still decided to it would take 10to 15 years to get going. It ain’t gonna happen. Sad oompa-loompa.
he’s extorting everyone it has nothing to do with tariffs
How many clearance lot jets can Apple provide? Maybe Apple TV wants to host a truth social media network?
It’s basically “lose a huge amount of money or do me favours that cost you 1/100 as much”. Surprise, surprise, they do the favours.
the American system simply gives way too much power to the president
Congress has a lot of power to moderate the president, but the Republican majority has completely failed in that role.
Trump is playing the long game (or long-con). Changing laws about presidential reelection is next. And then he may die next term, but the Pope-killer will take over his reins.
We could only be so lucky. In reality it’ll probably be Steven Miller.
Oompa loompa Trumpty Do, Donny is an idiot who flunked out of school. He is only know because of his daddy’s millions which he squandered like a stupid fool. Then one day television came to play. Donny sitting in his dirty run down office like a loser all day. They reinvented him as a successful business man, but the truth is he is a cuck with no fucking plan. Now this poser sits in the highest office of our land, shitting his pants and tweeting all day.
Tribute’s goin’ up, lads! Better shake them coffers empty, the Lord of Great Murika demands more mmmmoneyyyy!
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I never understand what point people are making with these stock price charts.
Here's the 5 day graph.
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The 1 month graph.
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The YTD graph.
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The 1 year graph.
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The 5 year graph.
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And none of those y axes start at zero, which is additionally misleading as it exaggerates the level of change.
How many stocks start at zero?
Oh no, not less than a balf percent change and stable for a couple hours right after opening!
6% actually.
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Yeah, I don’t know what that is. On the right is the actual day-to-day change. As of now the fall settled at about 2.5%: reuters.com/…/us-stock-futures-flat-debt-worries-…
I’m not saying it’s a big drop. It’s just funny how Trump can do this with his truths.
And so Apple’s breakdown begins. Trump smashing their overrated market position in the US. It’s the first time I would support his BS decisions.
I don’t, this is not a good thing. Threatening a company with punitive action bcz they didn’t capitulation to your whims is not a good thing. Nevermind that you cant just up and move your manufacturing overnight.
The right way to bring manufacturing back is to give companies incentives and investment funds for bringing manufacturing back over a certain number of years. A carrot and honey are a lot more convincing than vinegar when trying to get what you want.
That’s all true. But how do you feel for buying an already overpriced product, made by a greedy company which acts against software developers (by prohibidding selling their software on other market places and dictating prices), the environment, and the customer (repairability, compatibility and more restrictions) and the state (tax evasion)? I think Apple should get what they deserve.
Yeah, right before we all go to work camps bcz the Trump administration said so. Great compromise.
Nobody forces people to buy Apple devices and no one forces developers to support Apple devices.
on the other hand, who in America can hold trump accountable? don’t tell me it’s “the people”
Thanks God he clarified he’s talking about Tim Cook of Apple, for a moment I thought he was speaking about my neighbor from downstairs.
Tim Apple the cook
What the hell is with the “Thank you for your attention to this matter?”
You’re shitposting to a global media audience, not politely asking Facilities to restock the vending machine with Snickers bars.
Are you just in full Business Guy Autocomplete mode? A Bigly Language Model?
That bothers me too. It’s the business equivalent of " do what I say. I don’t want to have to help. Go fuck yourself"
Maybe he secretly died and they are using grok to write his tweets.
Surely Grok would make a better president and be more human and intelligent?
Grok wouldn’t fuck up the spelling so badly
Thank your*
iPhone’s
He’s been doing it a lot lately, it’s so absurd…
Facilities doesn’t stock the machines, the machine company does it itself or contracts a third party.
“Rock over London, Rock on Chicago”
Is this another pump 'n dump (or rather dump 'n buy a shitload and then change your mind again so the stock rises to the original level)?
so many apple shills here… why not upgrade to an adult phone?
it’s good that you have an adult phone, but maybe try acting like an adult with it.
Search “adult websites” to learn more.
So this makes me laugh because when I was younger and had more time to spend with rooting and custom ROMs, I used Android phones. And I loved them!
Now that I’m older I use an iPhone (for a number of reasons) and I also love it!
It’s almost like smartphones are tools that fit their use case, and not something else up be tribal over.
I’m just curious about how anyone can get excited enough to love any smartphone these days? Seems a necessary evil to me and a vessel for enshitification. What about the iPhone do you love so much?
I guess “love” is a strong term. It does everything I need it to and I have very few complaints, the same experience I had with my Android phone.
Do you mean the ones with the big T9 keyboards so grandpa doesn’t have to wear his glasses while using his?
here we go again with he tariffs. his friends made back some money after the last crash he caused so now he can go back to crashing it
They didn’t make “back” money, they’re just making money. His friends are the ones telling him to say insane shit that drives the market (or specific targeted stocks like Apple) down, then they buy while it’s low. After a few days/weeks, he changes his mind/can’t enforce his nonsense and the stock goes back up, his friends sell and have nothing but profit. The majority of the shit he does is market manipulation to benefit himself and anyone riding his coattails.
It sounds like he thinks the word “tariff” just means “payment”. Then he follows that with “[whoever he thinks should make the payment]”. Tariff by Apple, Tariff by China, etc. Honestly. I don’t know how else you can make it make sense.
All to try and flood the treasury so he can afford tax cuts he promised to donors.
Turns out running the government is hard and it sucks.
he makes it sound like the manufacturers pay the tarriff so his moron supporters think it’s a good idea.
If Apple is the importer of record for its products, then it does incur and pay the tariff to the U.S. government. But obviously that gets passed along to consumers as no company will simply eat the cost.
It’s pretty clear what he wants. He wants WW3.
He wants to consolidate manufacturing to make the US more self sufficient. The tariffs are simply a tool to designed to encourage local manufacturing.
He wants to start dominating smaller countries just like Russia and China. As well as annexing neighbors. He wants to do what Hitler couldn’t. He wants to use the most powerful military in the world.
If he wants to go to war, then he’s probably going about things the right way. Historically, being reliant on other countries for your supply chain can be a huge liability in war. For example, we were in danger of losing WW2 because of a lack of access to rubber. We need it for boots and tires, and we got it all from South East Asia, our access to rubber was completely cut off by Japan, it was a huge problem until we developed synthetic (plastic) rubber. We literally wouldn’t have been able to put boots on the ground or vehicles on the road.
If we were to end up in a conflict with China for instance, we would lose access to a lot of high tech manufacturing, we suddenly wouldn’t be able to make new computers. That could be bad.
Anyway, the signs are all here, Hitler V2 wants to mobilize soon.
We need to keep in mind that businesses like Apple are already charging the most they think customers are willing to pay.
Tariffs will hurt their bottom line by causing them to lose more in sales than they can make up for by raising unit prices.
that’s the plan
But, but, but… I thought the foreign governments paid the tariffs? /s just in case
Finally something Lemmy users can get behind since they hate Apple so much.
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He makes the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act like minimal in comparison
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Who is Tim Cook of Apple? Why does it sound like Trump is talking about Tim Apple?
Thats hilarious as usual when it comes to Trump. :)
And the tone… I expect… The president for a few months, who has been in jail and is full of lies, expects someone, which he doesnt know by the right name, to comply with arbitrary rules…
What a guy.
Tim “Cook of” Apple
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Will the US factories have suicide nets too, or is that reserved for Taiwan?
Nah in the US they just let them die
I thought the nets were in the PRC.
That would be healthcare. So, no.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Thank your for your
Can someone calculate how much an iPhone would cost if manufactured in the USA?
$3,500 according to one estimate.
With more automation wouldn’t it possibly cost less than this? On Taiwan the balance between automation and human labor is due to their costs of labor and automation.
In any case more expensive than on Taiwan, though.
If US cost of labor drops sharply due to a few bubbles exploding, or a few nukes explode somewhere causing harm to world economy, then having such plants already in place might be retrospectively considered a wise decision.
Consumer hardware is now being used in wars on scale, changing all balances. So I think everybody is going to do what Trump is doing. Keep complex processes inside if they have the knowledge and ability, and try to gain knowledge and ability if they don’t.
I don’t think it’s bad. Socialists will finally see a situation which their ideology fits best. Industrial specialties, even worker-level ones, teach people to think in a way making idiotic websites in some modern framework doesn’t.
All that, of course, is sometime after the hellish hell we’re going to see making us work to achieve it.
Volume matters for automation. Us made market would be only for us. 15 to 20% of cell market. Less by volume.
India afaik only assembles. Its the components that are highly automated.
25% tariffs on all phones in us because all are made outside of us, is just a sales tax on a modern necessity. Will still be hard to invest on us manufacturing or assembly
Well. Imagine we’re talking 1920s, Trotsky, plants and steamers and autarky.
In this paradigm having plants able to assemble something is necessary. Even if on dotations.
Because you need plants that can be repurposed to, I dunno, assemble lots of FPV drones or something.
Also iPhones and such are too complex, but something useful they might be able to produce in the USA.
Not much. It’s basically just the cost of adding a “Made in USA” sticker to the box.
Pay massive bribe to Dirty Donny, put sticker on.
“Trump says…” A load of fucking bollocks, to be frank. You can rest assured what he says is the opposite of reality. He’s a pathological liar.
He did say he would fuck his daughter if she weren’t his daughter.
Which part is the lie? That he wouldn’t fuck his daughter if she weren’t his daughter or that he would fuck his daughter if she were his daughter?
Not even sure at this point if he can bring himself to say a single true thing.
In British slang if you fart we sometimes say you Trump, or Trumpet. Can we refer to Trumps posts and speeches as Trumpets?
I played the trumpet for several years and I love that instrument. It’s bad enough that the names coincide; please don’t make it worse 😭
Well, on Mastodon they are already called “toots”, which is kind of American slang for a fart anyway. So ya, switching to calling them “Trumps” is not far off…
Thank you very much Tim Apple
Little Donnie diaper, if you know so much about iPhones then you make them.
Apple spent millions per year in fines for decades just because Steve Jobs didn’t want illuminated fire exit signs polluting the decor of his Apple stores. Their cash reserves exceed $150bn. They won’t do anything they don’t want to do.
I bet Tim Apple is really happy about his large donation to the Trump inauguration.
Then again, if you’re that rich, maybe having some intelligence and foresight should be an expectation. If you don’t have those things, maybe you shouldn’t be rich.
That said, for a 25% tariff, it isn’t even close. Still far cheaper for Apple to manufacture outside of the US and pass that additional cost to the US consumer.
Tim Apple wipes his ass with million dollar bills.
It is, perhaps, the only thing he touches that is made in the USA.
The more I think about it doesn’t trump just want to raise taxes without explicitly raising taxes.
*Raise taxes on poor people. The billionaires can easily just fly to Europe for a shopping spree attached to their regular weekend jaunt and bring everything home in their luggage (if they cared about the prices of anything to begin with, that is).
you fucking idiot, it’s NEVER EVER EVER coming to the US.
NEVER.
a 25% increase in cost is still MUCH more preferable to bringing all of that shit to the US. probably by orders of magnitude. can you even fathom (of course you can’t) what you would need to do to have a 100% American iphone?
let’s say you’re bringing the iphone manufacturing plant to the US. let’s even assume this move is subsidized so the new factory is going to cost only time.
the iphone isn’t put together from mere atoms. parts of it need to be manufactured first. there’s the screen, the glass, the aluminum case, several cameras, the battery, the ram, the storage, the CPU, the GPU, the receiver, accelerometer, gyroscope, etc etc… how much of that shit do you think is made in the USA?
so there’s tariffs an all of that. or to avoid them you need to make several new factories, and have other companies that provide these things also move their factories… and these factories don’t just have people create electronics by hand. you need machines. where do you think those are made? who makes them? so now you need the manufacturers of manufacturing robots to move their factories to the US.
and all these factories now employ people with much higher salaries.
all in all, a move like that would halt production for years and when it comes back every iphone would probably cost $47000.
John Oliver did a segment on this about a month ago, but yeah, you just nailed it.
damn it’s been a while since I’ve watched him. it’s just all been current events lately and even though I’m keeping up with the news, i couldn’t watch him because the way his show covers things usually make things much more depressing. I’ve instead been venting here and shit. I’m gonna have to catch up though eventually, it’s still very informative.
Nah I’m with you. I loved him back in the TDS days but over time his show started to get stale, to me
i don’t think it’s stale just to be clear, bad things are just happening too fast. there’s nothing TDS can do about it really.
Fair, I just stopped liking his show for some reason. I was pretty happy that Jon Stewart came back though
We don’t even have silicon availability. I don’t mean chips or printed boards, I mean processed quarts crushed into powder.
We would have to start opening strip mines and building massive furnaces and crushers and expanding railways. It’s just not feasible.
Do it.
Yeah fr we should, but we haven’t and we probably won’t so it’s silly to expect the manufacturing to pop up out of thin air.
Rest assured if they fix the rail system or will be to put us in cattle cars on a rather unfun one way trip.
But we can just import some of the things we need as we build up the more valuable end of supply chains. I’m sure they’ve thought of that and there are no tariffs impeding those prerequisites, right? Right?
It’s because Donald can’t envisage the supply chain for anything more complex than a Trump flag or a MAGA hat.
In his mind, housewives can be knocking iPhones out in Bumfuck, Mississippi.
If that… I imagine they were white label products so not even those taught him anything
Fun you should bring up his merch because literally all of it is Chinese or Indian produced.
I drove all over that state looking for Bumfuck and never found it. Pretty ornery bunch, too…
Did you ask around? I’m sure you can go into any biker bar in that state and ask for bumfuck
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Excuse me, sir. There is no town in Mississippi called “Bumfuck”. That town is firmly within the boundaries of Iowa.
Mississippi would never stoop to the level of Iowa in having Bumfuck, Iowa. Mississippi is more elegant in its nomenclature. Thus, if you wish to make a point about a town in the middle of nowhere in Mississippi, please respect Mississippi by referring to such a town as Cousin-Hump, Mississippi. Thank you.
Based on the numbers from Purism, it could be a lot more than 25% more expensive to manufacture everything in USA. Purims Librem 5 costs 799 $, while the made-in-America version costs 1999 $. That’s roughly a 2.5x difference. Obviously, economies of scale play a role too but let’s assume that the same factor applies to iPhones too. If so, the fanciest iPhone would cost about 4000 $.
too lazy to check but does the “made in America” version have all its parts also made in America? coz i doubt it. if not, each and every part made outside the US would also get tariffed.
No, the US Purism phone is not 100% American.
They have a different supply chain for it where European manufacturers are used for some parts.
But some things are only made in China. So I think what was said is Purism source some of the raw materials for these items and have them made to a higher tolerance for reliability.
Ts the entire supply chain that’s the problem. I keep reading stories about Apple pre-buying the entire output of factories for multiple years. For the thousands of parts in a modern phone, how do you expect entire parts industries to spring up overnight on the scale that Apple sells phones? Then entire resource and tooling chains to support those? And we’re making it even more impossible with blindly applying tariffs everywhere so you couldn’t even get established
That McGee book is pretty startling. $55B USD per year for how many years to develop plant and expertise in China over the past decade or two and that’s going to be reversed how exactly?
I mean, if the US can swing it, good for them, but it’s a bit like asking parents to produce Usain Bolt immediately or pay 25% higher income tax.
Plus a consistent supportive economic policy. I haven’t read the book to know what’s included in that $55B, but I know it’s been a long term effort and no business will try to build such capability in chaos and personality cults.
Republicans talk about being best for business is sort of like their “family values”: mostly talk, mostly opposite
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Bro really went off on him…
And they’d still need to maintain their non-US factories due to the retaliatory tariffs many countries are putting on US products.
Most of the Iphone is not Chinese, the screens are made by Samsung in Korea, and the chips are from Taiwan. Only the fiddly final assembly is done in China.
this is not about china
But he wants it all American. Not just non-Chinese.
THIS IS WHY TARIFFS NEVER WORK. In the long term tariffs actually encourage manufacturing to leave the country charging tariffs, not move manufacturing there. It’s much cheaper to pay the tariffs once, on the final product, than to pay the tariffs on every part that is required moving back and forth across an “imaginary line” (border in Trump-speak).
None of Trump’s tariff bolstering hurts Apple at all. They are a global company and can easily adjust around the asinine policies of America for a few years. Americans will get sick of paying a minimum of 25% more for EVERYTHING, while the rest of the world continues on as if nothing happened. Eventually Americans will see that the rest of the world has all the nice things and they’ve become a self imposed Soviet-era block country that has nothing and has to line up for toilet paper, and they’ll be right pissed. Until then, enjoy your delusion. 👏
tariffs could work if you’re not the US. the problem is the US doesn’t make anything.
for normal countries you could use tariffs to encourage products made inside the country. but for that to haopen:
so for example if your country has a decent production of bananas but people for some reason prefer to buy imported bananas way more than homemade ones, you might have some tariffs on bananas to try and reduce waste.
for that to be effective, you can’t also have tariffs on soil, farming equipment and whatnot that might be going into your homemade potato production. otherwise you’d have homemade potatoes more expensive then imported ones.
Tariffs can also be an effective way of balancing buisness advantages. An example: Germany has quite high standards in its farming sector. This applys to what pesticides you are allowed to use, how much fertiliser you can use, what conditions animals have to live in and so on. Everything that you have to do to comply with these rules costs money, so in order to still make a profit you need to charge quite high prices. If you then compare these with the almost non existent standards of, as example Brazil, you quickly realise, that they are capable of producing goods much cheaper (who could have guessed, that its cheaper if you can just imassively increase your land by land grabbing, giving a shit on everything and using the most efficient, but very cruel, ways to feed and hold your livestock). Due to this, beef that gets imported into Germany from Brazil, thanks to Mercosur without any tariffs, will be magnitudes cheaper than locally made. This kills your local farming sector and also does massive damage to Brazil’s citizen and enviroment (its a massive brainfuck how farming works there). If you want to counteract this you could charge tariffs, so that the consumer starts preferring locally made products, because they are cheaper. This also is an incentive for Brazil to better regulate its farming industry.
Blind, overall tariffs can’t work anywhere.
Pretty much every country, including US, has successfully applied targeted tariffs to specific things for specific reasons. Usually you’re protecting an existing industry, but you could even build a supply chain by balancing it with targeted incentives, and bringing them together with a long term strategy to grow that specific segment.
For example, we used to have a complex strategy for helping legacy car manufacturers transition to new technology. We had incentives to build a market, manufacturing incentives and other assistance, we had targeted loans and guided research to build the technology, obtain the resources, build the infrastructure, we had well targeted tariffs protecting them from specific “predatory” countries, and much more. In a decade or so, our legacy automakers would have transitioned to new technology, with at least similar manufacturing presence in the us and a strong global presence. It was slow, bumbling and inconsistent but it would have worked. Now we’re likely to end up with failing manufacturers unable to compete on the global market, and with their us market shrinking to nothing as they continue to focus on large, inefficient, outdated, polluting technology that can only be sold locally.
The other problem with moving manufacturing due to tariffs is that tariffs can always be changed, whereas moving manufacturing is a longer term investment that can cost millions, if not billions when it comes to things like chip fabs. No one wants to make an investment like that, only to have their investment suddenly become worthless because some politician decided to change how the tariffs work.
Trump’s idiotic and constant flip-flopping on these tariffs have completely destroyed any chance of them actually accomplishing anything (not that they really had a great chance of that in the first place, but anyway…), because no one is going to move a factory to the US when Trump can and will change his mind based upon a whim or whoever is whispering in his ear that moment.
Can you imagine if Joe Biden said shit like "I'm going to make your pleb shit more expensive because I refuse to just admit a mistake and therefore will double down on my bad policy."
Lol Biden is the type of person who would order a burger, then the retaurant brings him a salad and then he’s like 🤷♂️ well I guess I’m having a salad, I can’t confront people, norms and traditions
Given recent revelations, more like he’d just assume that’s what he ordered and eat it.
And it would be amazing to still have the senile cancerous old man over the demented lying sack of shit. But regardless pointing out the sycophantic double standards of his nasty idiotic supporters and theur never ending bad faith is a good reminder that western democracy has been deathly wounded by the corrupt elite and the intellectually lazy populace.
Spineless Joe and DNC
Back to lemmygrad now fuckwitticus maximus
I oppose tariffs, but I’m also somewhat indifferent to the fortunes of Apple.
Coming this fall: the new iPhone Republican edition (iPhone RE)
-cheaper construction and materials, yet somehow features a higher price tag -tons of backdoors (this time, intentional) -only connects to approved propaganda sites -reports all biometric data to the GOP -zaps you whenever it detects a thought the party dislikes -integrates with neurolink (not optional, you sick deviant)
camera moves to the right. Plus, you cant swipe left anymore and only swipe right
iPhone XR
Xitter [R-Slur] Edition
Or
Xenophobic Recession Edition
The goal is fine but that isn’t anywhere near enough to force production into the US
Unless it’s like American rockets that are made in China, and assembled in the US so they can throw a sticker on it
you know how trolls respond in games or everywhere online? Exactly like this. Did Don forget to breath while writing that run-on sentence?
Trump on his way to make Android phones more popular (they’re not as highly tariffed)
Making America great again by increasing Samsung’s market share.
Why isn’t Samsung or Motorola highly tariffed? It’s the same, right?
Apple is more or less getting individually tariffed because stupid.
Krasnov fails to realize the shareholders hold the power to decide manufacturing sites.
I see the problem here. He’s talking to Tim Cook, who’s CEO of some cooking company. He needs to talk to Tim Apple.
He’s actually cooking apple pies. Or is it called baking? Is it Tim Bake?
No, tim doesn’t get baked, but we’re planning on it tonight
I want to elect Pine for the next CEO
Do it to everyone, I dare you. Nerds get heated. Please it will end sooner for him.
i feel like there are many nerds that voted for him
More like didn’t vote at all
That’s just the loudest voices, not the majority.
You can know the impact of what building in the US would be by looking at Purism. They sell a Linux phone for $800. If you want the same phone built in the US, they charge $2000.
It really depends on what Trump means by " built in the US". It won’t be that big of a jump if Apple is just assembling them there. If every component has to come from the US it’s likely impossible.
Apple is vertically integrated in a way many companies are not. It would be bad for them for sure but they already have really high profit margins. They could eat the cost and assemble in the US, but they won’t because they are already a velban good.
How long ago?
Looks like Apple is balking at paying the required bribe.
Apple should just not sell them in the US then.
Profiteers foregoing the largest source of profit? Not likely.
Tarriffs are an articulable cost that can be direclt passed on to the consumer. Income taxes would be something more manageable and the company would need to figure out what to pay. But, Republicans increasing taxes on their donors? Ha!
Killing Biden’s CHIPs act certainly didn’t help that cause.
He will kill and reinstate it to sell it as his own doing.
Obviously guided by his counselers and consultants.
Oh, like NAFTA!
Problem is that it had bidens sign on it, so he was forced to kill it without even taking care of its contents
No he wasn’t. It’s just because of his his pride and idiocy that he thinks he was.
It was a horrible idea, absolutely terrible for us, we were being ripped from with waste fraud and abuse. We have the best plan, everyone says so. The concept of a plane, that will be immense.
Tim Apple could just buy him a fucking plane and be done with it. And that would open up some interesting opportunities, nahmean?
It’s what I’d do if I were an ambitious, resource hoarding, ass pimple billionaire.
It’s obvious the way to Trump’s heart is to tell him he’s pretty and give him something .
Yeah make him a custom iPhone with a unibody out of pure gold?
Look at this. I have the onnly Tim Apple gifted, solid gold iPhone with a diamond oh-lit screen. Look at this, isn’t it beautiful? It’s so beautiful. Me-lah-nee-uh is jealous.
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This and the solid gold Tim Apple laptop cah-puter were gifted to the department of defense. A bunch of sad losers and suckers are crying because they don’t have one.
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It is to be handed over to the Trump… presinential lie-berry when the new one comes, which I’ll get first by the way. Nobody else has even seen one.
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Thank you Tim Apple from Apple Cah-puter. Building in Uh-mare-icuh.
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Who does he think he’s talking to?
His subordinates, who else?
It would take MINIMUM 10 years to even come close to like 60% manufactured in US. And that’s assuming the US upends the entire global tech industry by coming even kind of close to TSMC’s chip manufacturing tech.
Good news on the latter front, actually: tomshardware.com/…/tsmc-expands-investments-in-th…
This is actually a real socialist or even communist policy. The State controlling the businesses.
It is authoritarian. Communist system devolve to authoritarianism because it is a natural progression (easy to do). Socialists can, but a good democratic political structure makes it harder.
Don’t tell all the tankies.
Apparently capitalist systems devolve into authoritarianism; as evidenced by living in 2025.
… Or as shown by the west for the past 150+ years
Are most people in “the west” worse off today than they were 150 years ago? Are there fewer well functioning democracies than there were then? Has no minority group seen any improvement in their freedom? Has there been no improvement in how people interact with each other? No improvement in poverty?
Yes, of course. Capitalism is an economic framework. A good political framework is needed, just like i said for socialism. This is a failure of the U.S. political implementation not of capitalism as a system of commerce. I would never say capitalism is the answer to all social ills. Your statement feels like a way to say I am wrong, so if I misunderstood, sorry.
How in god’s name is this promoting worker ownership of Apple’s phone production processes?
Last time I looked, the Soviet, Chinese and North Korean people didn’t own shit.
You just named 3 locations that aren’t socialist and of the three, one that no longer exists. Nice job.
Name just one where workers actually control something for fun.
Look up what a co-op is. You seem to have substantial misunderstanding that socialism is a replacement for democracy; it’s a replacement for capitalism.
A coop isn’t a country Peter Pan.
Vietnam… but why the hell do you need some rando on Lemmy to educate you?
Name one country that was either socialist or communist in the past that the USA didn’t proactively fuck with to try to harm at the time?
What does it have to do with the fact you cannot identify a single socialist country where the workers are actually the owners of the production means?
You are living in a imaginary world.
I told you… Vietnam.
Read.
Then answer my question since I passed your stupid shit test.
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So, socialism doesn’t exist according to your definition since nowhere on this planet workers control shit.
Ask former Soviet workers, Chinese workers, Cuban workers, North Korean workers and Vietnamese workers how much control on production they have.
Sure thing Cap’n - first thing in the morning I’ll be going around knocking on doors to try to find Soviet, Chinese and Cuban workers to ask them about their opinions.
Grow up, but read a book or two first.
I’ve been to China. I’ve been to Cuba. Have you?
I’ve been to cuba, most I talked to described it as a censorship filled shithole, but that’s over 10 years ago now anyway.
Yea it’s less than wonderful. You’ll have some places that are beautiful and flourishing right next to a place that’s barely standing. The paint, building materials, etc gets divvied out based on bribes to the govt.
Cuba pretty much sucks, but their healthcare is really really good.
Yes you are correct in that real socialism was never implemented.
Socialism is when workers control the means of production and the surplus generated from their work.
When the government controls these things, like with communism, it’s state capitalism.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
Thanks, so the nearest thing to socialism is what Trump is doing, being elected by workers, trying to intervene into businesses using the government power to make them adopt his own views even if detrimental to the businesses themselves. Protectionism isn’t a right wing policy, it’s a left wing policy. Usually, the right wing is favorable to free markets and free trade and low level of government involvement into businesses.
Frankly, the Republicans should be horrified by these policies and the direction this administration is heading to.
It is paid by consumers, not Apple. Other phone companies will raise prices as well to increase their profits, since iPhone prices will set a new high price. When Apple prices goes up 25% other phone companies can increase their prices by 15% and still be competitive to apple.
Actually to make same profit due to lower phone sales Apple may have to raise price even higher than 25% or find other ways to get consumers to pay more. Die hard fans of Apple will buy, whatever the price.
Such smol govment
Failed business man telling people how to run their businesses. I’ve got an idea about how to make American manufacturing cheaper universal healthcare.
This is what you get for bending down to the tyrant in inauguration day. You cant appease tyrants, you must fight them.
Good fuck apple they probably donated to trump
They did, or at least Tim Cook did.
This won’t hurt apple one bit. They will pass the cost on t to American consumers. This is a 25% tax on everyday Americans to pay for the billions of dollars of tax cuts for the rich.
iPhones not iPhone’s… Who let this idiot be in charge of anybody? Did he even go to school?
& Just that entire sentence is atrociously bad
LMFAO it’s the entire fucking tweet!! Thank your for your… omg you are the president of the united states get grammarly or something…you sound even dumber than the people who voted for you…
Thank your for your attention to this matter!€
What a fucking idiot
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It’s coming true.
And again “tariff must be paid by Apple” really shows that he still has no idea how they work.
Made in India + 25% tariff is still cheaper than made in Murica.
That BS is just for media.
And it’s actually usable.
Tbf the labor will be done by the minorities and undesirables they will keep throwing in prison without due process
along with the poor white folk who voted for him.
That sounds like a nice mix where nothing terrible could happen. Tons of black and brown people surrounded by the poor white rural idiots that disenfranchised both of their lives.
An extra 25% must be paid by consumers. Like every other tariff. New taxes be like that.
And knowing the cult of Apple, they’ll pay it because it makes them look wealthy. That is the whole culture of Apple Customer base.
'What’s up, everybody? This is your boy Apple Lad, and I came through with one of those Tariff I Phones, just so I can unbox it for you!
“A fool and his money will soon be parted.”
And if similar is on every phone? You can’t really do without a phone so at that point, it’s 25% inflation.
Well, technically, any kind of tariff added to the import is always paid by Apple, who else would pay it? Some unrelated company? A foreign country?
They will simply increase the price by an amount that will keep them making the same amount of money. The main problem is that because they like to do a round price worldwide, we European we’ll pay more too, so they can make more money. Assholes
We can always respond with our money and not buy an iPhone
Don’t buy Apple. Problem solved. I will not accept arguments about ‘but the eco-system blah-blah’
Sticks Fingers in ears lalalalalala
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Then don’t buy it duh.
If Apple can push the price further into the thousands won’t Samsung, etc follow anyway?
People thought a phone that was $1000 would never sell, Apple came out with the pro models and now here we are with the high end models all being a thousand plus.
Yup non tarrifed goods go up too
The down voters don’t appear to agree 😂
I wonder if he knows apple simply can not comply with this. Apple doesn’t know how to make iPhones (at the scale and rate needed) and no one in the US does either.
RIP
He still has absolutely no clue how tariffs work. Amazing for someone who throws them left and right without thinking. Although the latter might explain it.
It blows my mind when people say he has a reason for his tarriffs and it’s about enrichen his friends. He’s braindead and tarriffs is just the new word he learned. Tim Apple is gonna be mad.
The worst take from his opposition: “trumps such a dumb idiot”. And it’s why the left gets out-maneuvered; they imagine those on the right as only either 1. Imbeciles 2. Racists.
The right sees the left as cunning, and strategizes how to outplay them.
The left sees the right as backwards morons, and strategizes how to insult them. It seems to be the main play, and is doing him a favor by shutting down closer examination.
Trump is a demented moron who has no fucking idea what’s going on.
His faceless staff, led by Stephen Miller, are very smart and know exactly what they’re doing.
if that’s the case, if he’s just an idiot puppet, why spend energy attacking him and his character specifically? It doesn’t persuade anyone on the right, and it doesn’t help the left focus on the people pulling the strings.
The news, and left leaning communities online, have told me every day for 8+ years that trump is stupid, etc. What’s the point?
I dunno, why are we still talking about Bidens brain so often? Because it’s salacious. The absolute most braindead motherfucker is president, again, and people are pissed
What does he not understand correctly here?
This isn’t about making Apple make iPhones in the US. This is a 25% tax on everyday Americans that the fascists will blame on Apple for not making iPhones in the US and use to give tax breaks to the rich. Trump and his cabal are reverse Robin Hooding the American people and 70 million of them are lining up to lick his boots for it.
You know that is somewhat true. What everyone could see when I was kid has come to pass. The people like trump and the actual billionaires in this country sold us out then. They sold us out by moving all the manufacturing offshore. Now these same greedy trash humans want all that back since they have realized that the ability to manufactures products was the United States real power. They delivered millions of my parents generation into poverty and wage slavery to make a buck by moving the job overseas. Now these horrible people and their followers are doing the same thing to try to get it back. They don’t understand nor do they care about the real people in this country. Only about themselves.
Their followers who are not profiting from this must be really, really stupid.
And they’re the ‘good’ ones!
The reason why manufacturing was moved offshore was because it cost more money to produce the goods in the states and they had to adhere to us regulation. Products are cheap because they’re build offshore. No one actually wants the factory jobs back in the states because they’ll be too expensive to produce, and a lot of the jobs will be done by bots anyway. If the iPhone was the be built in the states it would cost $3.5k. Billionaires want a peasant class. They’re envious of China - lots of low educated people earning nothing working long hours. Billionaires have low self esteem.
Yes of course it was because of money. They couldn’t see it then and they cant see it now.
Well those regulations are virtually non existent. Can pay lip service but who is going to enforce it
The US is turning into my games of stellaris a little bit more everyday. Oh boy you sure dont want to be in my games of stellaris guys.
Once again. Companies do NOT pay tariffs. They pass on those costs of those tariffs to their customers. YOU are gonna pay that extra 25% not Apple.
that’s fine. iphones are so cheap, people can handle even 50% tariffs. apple is worth every penny /s.
going to buy a cmf phone 2 now…
Yeah. I’m typing this on a $300 Chinese phone with 10600mAH battery, reverse wireless charging, a thermal imaging camera, and it’s waterproof and shock resistant.
I have strongly considered the Armor line. Which is what I’m assuming you’re talking about
It’s 27T Pro. I like it better than the iPhone it replaced.
The only downsides I’ve seen so far are that it requires a separate app for wifi calling and it has fewer zoom options for the camera. I’d like to figure out how to get the IR blaster to read signals (so I can easily clone my remotes).
Shit duee my unlocked Sony Xperia has WiFi calling locked via the carrier 😅
I’m no slouch when it comes to basic tech literacy, but I was left scratching my head when I watched the WiFi calling setting literally disappear before my eyes. Fuck AT&T (at least I’m on a cheap plan)
how long is it going to take, before you realize its too late? if they didn’t realize by now, they aren’t going to
Trump will never ever admit he’s wrong, but I’m curious how the voters will react when everything costs 50% more all of a sudden.
They’ll probably blame Biden somehow, but I’m curious still
He’s already called all the stock market turmoil “Biden’s market”, hilariously.
Is it only tariff costs that are passed on to employees and customers or are all corporate tax costs passed on to employees and customers?
At the end of the day it’s all of it. Some of it is built into their existing model, some of it is constant etc but they include it all in the calculations to come up with the prices. New costs like these tariffs get added to the overall margin calculation and a new price is set.
Unless the companies eat the tariffs. But greedy companies will pass them on
Still there is another side of it that also interesting. These companies has done their calculations so the cost of the product is perfect. Increasing that price means less people will buy the product.
Unless your competitors are also facing the same forced price increase.
It’s extremely misleading to say “companies do not pay tariffs” and then immediately explain that companies do indeed pay tariffs.
This past Monday, John Stewart of The Daily Show interviewed Patrick Mcgee who discussed the jaw-dropping amounts of money Apple spent building out Chinese electronics supply chains which had deep implications. -It made for an interesting case if true.
On that note, I suspect that a 25% tax is cheaper by far than the cost of building out state of the art silicon fab on US soil, plus the additional cost of paying Americans to do the manufacturing/assembly. Would you rather buy an iPhone for $1250 or $4000?
This perfectly sums up the shortfalls of Trumpian populism in the face of Late Stage Capitalism.
The Art of Extortion.
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People are looking to much into his Tax Bill and Crypto Dinners. They can’t pass legislation secretly in the dead of night if the media and public aren’t distracted by bullshit.
It hasn’t been half a year yet and the firehouse of chaos that is Trump is impossible to keep up with.
CSJDIA.
Did trump just confuse a possessive s for a plural s?
Autocorrect more likely
It happens to people and I don’t know why
style errors are easily forgiven. study a foreign language or a programming language to get some empathy
suspending habeas corpus? he should be in so many heaps of trouble. the guillotine was a nasty, evil piece of work, and anyways
I’m not even a native speaker, so I think I’m allowed to criticise that
That is the least of his linguistic faults.
What about the components? Should they also be produced in the US?
Let’s be clear, producing the iPhone in the US would be more than a 25% cost increase.
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Tim Apple make your phones in America the king has spoken.
Step 1. Add Tarrifs.
Step 2. Wait till the share price falls.
Step 3. Buy in low.
Step 4. Lift the tariffs again.
Step 5. Wait till the share price rises.
Step 6. Profit.
If you think you can’t ever put stocks on a hot sale think again.
He still doesn’t understand how tariffs work…
Isn’t he just saying that he will tariff them so they’re paying 25% more for manufacturing in a foreign country?
This is far left policy.
Selling iPhones made outside US: bad
Selling MAGA hats and swag made in China: art of the deal