autotldr@lemmings.world
on 29 Dec 2023 00:05
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Officials familiar with assessment said it found that the connection allowed the balloon to send burst transmissions, or high-bandwidth collections of data over short periods of time.
Such a court order would have allowed U.S. intelligence agencies to conduct electronic surveillance on the balloon as it flew over the U.S and as it sent and received messages to and from China, the officials said, including communication sent via the American internet service provider.
“As we had made it clear before, the airship, used for meteorological research, unintentionally drifted into U.S. because of the westerlies and its limited self-steering capability,” Liu said in a statement to NBC News.
The previously unreported U.S. effort to monitor the balloon’s communications could be one reason Biden administration officials have insisted that they got more intelligence out of the device than it got as it flew over the U.S.
In an exclusive interview with NBC News this month, VanHerck explained that he worked together with the U.S. Strategic Command, which oversees U.S. nuclear weapons, to reduce the release of emergency action messages to ensure the Chinese balloon could not collect them.
“Protecting EAM and nuclear command and control communications is of critical importance to the United States,” a senior defense official told NBC News.
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foggy@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 00:28
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This is what you get for not castrating them 25 years ago.
Make internet a utility already, fuck.
Cypher@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 02:45
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I really thought you were going somewhere else before I got to the second sentence.
ElBarto@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Dec 2023 07:45
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Yeah that was a short but wild ride lol
Joker@discuss.tchncs.de
on 29 Dec 2023 03:45
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Who? The intelligence people, the Chinese spies or the internet people?
yeather@lemmy.ca
on 29 Dec 2023 04:01
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All 3
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 04:11
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Castrations for everybody! You get a castration and you get a castration!
tentacles9999@lemmynsfw.com
on 29 Dec 2023 07:03
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Most tame ck2 player
blazeknave@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 12:46
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c/shitcrusaderkingssay
Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 12:36
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This was probably the biggest intelligence coup of this century. Our intelligence agencies have extremely capable hacking capabilities. I’m sure they not only know the provider, they know the exact building down to the individual IP addresses of the PCs that data was transmitted to. If they get that, they will be able to trace all of the other activities that originated from that Chinese agency.
On top of that when the US was done it still shot it down and now has the hardware to analyze.
schmidtster@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 00:35
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I thought the official announcement from the pentagon was it never sent any data?
Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 01:46
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You’re correct, it didn’t send any data, it sent data.
schmidtster@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 02:10
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Ah yes of course, my apologies for the misunderstanding. I hate when a butt plug is the voice of reason, thank you for your service though.
Socsa@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Dec 2023 11:37
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Right, because they figured out which provider was using and had them cut it off…
schmidtster@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 13:31
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That’s not even similar to what the announcement was.
Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 00:36
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Well…how many nationwide internet suppliers could there be?
balancedchaos@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 03:43
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Three.
Thanks, deregulation.
Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 08:54
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Actually there is only one. The rest buy their services and say they are nationwide but are regional centric. Long lines weren’t really deregulated either.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 11:54
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Which one
Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 12:08
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AT&T of course.
paultimate14@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 01:49
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I was having a hard time imagining which company this could be. Not that I’m a fan of Verizon or Comcast, but I think they know what side their bread is buttered on. Which one wouldn’t?
Then I remembered Starlink exists.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 02:51
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Don’t think they were colluding with the provider. They probably just put a burner sim card into a 4g module and sent data over a VPN to China whenever it had signal.
paraphrand@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 02:54
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It could have even been one of those multi SIM router things that has network redundancy.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 18:14
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The blurb says primarily for navigation.
So it was using the starlink signals like gps signal and therefore they needed to correlate with the carrier to get a rough time sync.
I wonder what timing data is freely available on the starlink acquisition signal.
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 18:32
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Why would they need data then? With GPS can get a 1metre accurate chip for like 20 bucks and it’s way smaller. And no need for any carrier or subscription.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 21:29
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Mapping out network topology? Who knows.
Whatever the collected data was, it could have been sent to their satellites for long haul back home.
Joker@discuss.tchncs.de
on 29 Dec 2023 03:44
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It’s a satellite provider. Cell networks don’t work at that altitude. Starlink was my first guess too but, after some more thought, it could be Hughesnet. They probably have wider coverage.
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 05:11
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Yeah, their coverage is hughe
snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 05:39
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Y U G E N E T
bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
on 29 Dec 2023 13:28
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Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 07:12
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Probably Hughesnet or Viasat.
deafboy@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 02:09
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I’ll have a good laugh if it turns out the baloon was not chinese after all, it has just contained some iot device with previously unknown call home function to collect diagnostic data.
Can’t wait for the final report in 10 years that confirms it was a weather balloon and some dumbass CO was too excited and wanted to see an AIM-9x get used on a static 10mph moving target.
Pentagon really running out of fun ideas to waste tax dollars.
Could have at least used the 20mm guns included in the F22 instead of $500,000
DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 06:22
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Could have at least used the *20mm guns
No, you really can’t.
The Canadians tried with an F-18. They shot the absolute shit out of a balloon with its Vulcan, but because they aren’t under pressure like your typical party balloon, it didn’t really do much.
paraphrand@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 02:53
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Ok, now tell us what the hell you shot down way up north during that time.
Lazhward@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 12:17
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Didn’t that turn out to be a weather balloon launched by an amateur meteorology club?
Peppycito@sh.itjust.works
on 29 Dec 2023 12:37
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The one over the Great Lakes may have been an advertisement from a car dealership.
wagoner@infosec.pub
on 29 Dec 2023 13:53
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No that ended up being swamp gas from a weather balloon trapped in a thermal pocket which reflected light from Venus. Pretty common mistake.
bajabound@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 02:59
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Was Dishy mounted on top?
afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 04:10
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We should let them do this provided they only use Comcast and Sprint.
spikederailed@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 06:37
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frontier
gedaliyah@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 05:14
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That just sounds like efficient design if you ask me.
LodeMike@lemmy.today
on 29 Dec 2023 00:05
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Wow really they used infustructure in the United States to communicate with something in The United States instead of putting a super expensive and moving satellite dish on the thing???
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 11:11
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I guess now we know why it stopped to hover over Starbucks for so long.
ugjka@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 11:45
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Someone tell China how to install Google earth app
moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Dec 2023 14:03
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But the free market will regulate. /s
Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world
on 29 Dec 2023 18:21
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Wait, you mean US corporations will take money to do questionable things? Surprised Pikachu face.
Maybe the US government shouldn’t have set the precedent that that was EXPECTED AND ENCOURAGED
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
Officials familiar with assessment said it found that the connection allowed the balloon to send burst transmissions, or high-bandwidth collections of data over short periods of time.
Such a court order would have allowed U.S. intelligence agencies to conduct electronic surveillance on the balloon as it flew over the U.S and as it sent and received messages to and from China, the officials said, including communication sent via the American internet service provider.
“As we had made it clear before, the airship, used for meteorological research, unintentionally drifted into U.S. because of the westerlies and its limited self-steering capability,” Liu said in a statement to NBC News.
The previously unreported U.S. effort to monitor the balloon’s communications could be one reason Biden administration officials have insisted that they got more intelligence out of the device than it got as it flew over the U.S.
In an exclusive interview with NBC News this month, VanHerck explained that he worked together with the U.S. Strategic Command, which oversees U.S. nuclear weapons, to reduce the release of emergency action messages to ensure the Chinese balloon could not collect them.
“Protecting EAM and nuclear command and control communications is of critical importance to the United States,” a senior defense official told NBC News.
The original article contains 821 words, the summary contains 206 words. Saved 75%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
This is what you get for not castrating them 25 years ago.
Make internet a utility already, fuck.
I really thought you were going somewhere else before I got to the second sentence.
Yeah that was a short but wild ride lol
Who? The intelligence people, the Chinese spies or the internet people?
All 3
Castrations for everybody! You get a castration and you get a castration!
Most tame ck2 player
c/shitcrusaderkingssay
This was probably the biggest intelligence coup of this century. Our intelligence agencies have extremely capable hacking capabilities. I’m sure they not only know the provider, they know the exact building down to the individual IP addresses of the PCs that data was transmitted to. If they get that, they will be able to trace all of the other activities that originated from that Chinese agency.
On top of that when the US was done it still shot it down and now has the hardware to analyze.
I thought the official announcement from the pentagon was it never sent any data?
You’re correct, it didn’t send any data, it sent data.
Ah yes of course, my apologies for the misunderstanding. I hate when a butt plug is the voice of reason, thank you for your service though.
Right, because they figured out which provider was using and had them cut it off…
That’s not even similar to what the announcement was.
Well…how many nationwide internet suppliers could there be?
Three.
Thanks, deregulation.
Actually there is only one. The rest buy their services and say they are nationwide but are regional centric. Long lines weren’t really deregulated either.
Which one
AT&T of course.
I was having a hard time imagining which company this could be. Not that I’m a fan of Verizon or Comcast, but I think they know what side their bread is buttered on. Which one wouldn’t?
Then I remembered Starlink exists.
Don’t think they were colluding with the provider. They probably just put a burner sim card into a 4g module and sent data over a VPN to China whenever it had signal.
It could have even been one of those multi SIM router things that has network redundancy.
The blurb says primarily for navigation.
So it was using the starlink signals like gps signal and therefore they needed to correlate with the carrier to get a rough time sync.
I wonder what timing data is freely available on the starlink acquisition signal.
Why would they need data then? With GPS can get a 1metre accurate chip for like 20 bucks and it’s way smaller. And no need for any carrier or subscription.
Mapping out network topology? Who knows.
Whatever the collected data was, it could have been sent to their satellites for long haul back home.
It’s a satellite provider. Cell networks don’t work at that altitude. Starlink was my first guess too but, after some more thought, it could be Hughesnet. They probably have wider coverage.
Yeah, their coverage is hughe
Y U G E N E T
Hugh Mungous
So are their pings
Probably Hughesnet or Viasat.
I’ll have a good laugh if it turns out the baloon was not chinese after all, it has just contained some iot device with previously unknown call home function to collect diagnostic data.
Can’t wait for the final report in 10 years that confirms it was a weather balloon and some dumbass CO was too excited and wanted to see an AIM-9x get used on a static 10mph moving target.
Pentagon really running out of fun ideas to waste tax dollars.
Could have at least used the 20mm guns included in the F22 instead of $500,000
No, you really can’t.
The Canadians tried with an F-18. They shot the absolute shit out of a balloon with its Vulcan, but because they aren’t under pressure like your typical party balloon, it didn’t really do much.
Ok, now tell us what the hell you shot down way up north during that time.
Didn’t that turn out to be a weather balloon launched by an amateur meteorology club?
The one over the Great Lakes may have been an advertisement from a car dealership.
Please don’t interrupt a conspiracy theory
No that ended up being swamp gas from a weather balloon trapped in a thermal pocket which reflected light from Venus. Pretty common mistake.
Was Dishy mounted on top?
We should let them do this provided they only use Comcast and Sprint.
frontier
That just sounds like efficient design if you ask me.
Wow really they used infustructure in the United States to communicate with something in The United States instead of putting a super expensive and moving satellite dish on the thing???
I guess now we know why it stopped to hover over Starbucks for so long.
Someone tell China how to install Google earth app
But the free market will regulate. /s
Wait, you mean US corporations will take money to do questionable things? Surprised Pikachu face.
Maybe the US government shouldn’t have set the precedent that that was EXPECTED AND ENCOURAGED
The PCC must be feeling all smart about their spy balloon design choices. Just wait until they need to talk to Comcast customer support…