devolution@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 17:14
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Why do the French even need Pornhub when their basic movies are very porn adjacent?
FerretyFever0@fedia.io
on 10 Jun 17:26
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I blame the French for 120 days of Sodom burning my eyeballs, and I just skimmed the Wikipedia article. One of them chose to print that instead of burning the notes. Anyways, why is the hub being blocked in France?
devolution@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 18:41
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Same reason it’s blocked in Florida.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 20:32
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French politicians passed a law that requires porn sites collect pii (identity) in order to access the site. PornHub won’t violate the privacy and security of their users, so they simply block the locales that pass such laws.
The Marquis de Sade was an elected official btw. He would've jacked off to shock sites. Says quite a bit about some of the French that it wasn't burned. It should've been. No historical or entertainment value, just pure degeneracy.
By showing the message rather than Pornhub’s vast library of adult content, Aylo “is communicating directly with the French people to tell them how dangerous, how potentially privacy-infringing, and how ineffective the French law is”, Solomon Friedman of Aylo’s owner, Ethical Capital Partners, told reporters in a video call on Tuesday.
Paris has this year gradually introduced requirements for all adult websites to have users confirm their age with details like a credit card or ID document.
In a bid to preserve privacy, operators must offer a third-party “double-blind” option that would keep the platforms themselves from seeing users’ identifying information.
Texas isn’t the first. I think it was started by Germany? I know the UK banned women’s orgasms and Australia banned hentai. Heck, India apparently banned porn altogether, ineffectively.
Stillwater@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 17:41
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French conservatives passed a law requiring porn sites to verify age of all site visitors. Pornhub is blocking France instead of forcing its visitors to provide ID.
People using to to circumvent location based restrictions may not care about the anonymity feature of Tor. They just want pron. At least until the fascists start arresting viewers.
AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social
on 10 Jun 19:30
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My VPN's perfectly fine. To be fair, it's not a free plan of a VPN that's heavily throttled, but I can even play multiplayer FPS games with only a few milliseconds of additional delay, and my overall max upload and download speed is almost exactly identical to when I have my VPN off.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jun 21:28
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Video over Tor is pretty awful, simply due to the way Tor works; Bandwidth is inherently limited, because it’s shared by everyone using the network. Same reason you should avoid torrenting over Tor.
But if your video is buffering over a VPN, you need to find a new VPN provider. Mine maxes out my gigabit connection.
Are there going to be bandwidth problems with vpns when more countries block porn though?
Like lots of France just joined them, and the rest of us lost a bunch of French exit nodes (at least for porn). The increase in subscribers should help expand bandwidth at big servers, but there’sa limit when we’re talking whole nations.
Yeah the point is just to soften the populace to the idea. Our fucking PM covered for pedophile priests in a Catholic school 30 years ago, he doesn’t give any fuck about kids.
It’s not about that either. It’s about connecting photo ID to browsing profiles and deanonymising the internet.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jun 20:30
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¿Por que los dos?
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 10 Jun 20:33
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Like Reddit or YouTube with proper keywords didn’t exist
Been there, done that
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jun 20:41
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Reminds me of when my buddies discovered our friend’s YouTube account… He only had one public playlist, and it was 100% full of softcore porn. Nothing else. It was all softcore porn. We gave him a pretty good ribbing for that one, and still make a point of reminding him that better porn sites exist every time it comes up.
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 10 Jun 20:47
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Always hide your playlists and subscriptions haha
But softcore has the benefit to help you retain normal libido and to not be dependent of more hardcore stuff
Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone
on 10 Jun 21:23
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We gave him a pretty good ribbing for that one,
I guess you could say he got ribbed for his pleasure.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 10 Jun 20:49
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I feel like reddit and YouTube are completely different leagues when it comes to porn… Porn is the only reason I haven’t deleted my last reddit account. YT doesn’t even really have real porn…
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 10 Jun 20:50
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YT doesn’t even really have real porn
Indeed, but there’s still things to find if you’re a young scared kiddo, and I’d say it’s pretty soft so it’s okay
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jun 04:43
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Meanwhile in Australia, they just passed a bill requiring social media to verify the age of their users to make sure they’re over 16
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 11 Jun 06:56
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Ouch
What a great way to prevent minors from living their lives
Me. Porn is fine. Teach your children how to handle it. Teach them that it’s not realistic and some of it is straight-up dangerous. Put a filter on your internet if you’re too scared to talk to your kids about uncomfortable topics.
Man it’s porn, not guns. Children should not be near it!
Oh wait this is France
Anyway, I agree with you. We’re talking about regular ol garden variety porn. Everyone will probably see it at some point. Parents can limit what their kids see until the kids become smart enough to bypass filters. At which point they can probably handle seeing pennis n vagene.
VPN companies and data brokers have a financial incentive to lobby for intrusive age-verification and restrictions, and prudish politicians are conveniently present in every political system. The porn lobby is powerful, but it seems they’ve been losing this battle recently. Or maybe they’re cutting deals with the data brokers, who knows.
skinnydugan@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 10 Jun 17:38
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Dr. Cox was right: “I’m fairly sure if they took porn off the internet, there’d only be one website left, and it’d be called ‘Bring Back the Porn.'”
passepartout@feddit.org
on 10 Jun 17:39
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I’m shocked that this many people feel the need to disobey a rule that is only there to help the children. Next step must be to ban VPNs altogether, and enforcing all Internet users to be identified with their real identity (/s obviously).
Lembot_0003@lemmy.zip
on 10 Jun 17:55
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It’s called DNS tunneling it’s typically used for data exfiltration tactics, but it’s also great if you’re desperate to punch through even the toughest paid WiFi paywalls to Google something really quick slow because you fucked something up on your phone lmao
It really isn’t that slow, last time I tried to homebrew a working DNS tunnel it maxed my 100mbps card. I never needed the extra speed so I didn’t try to see how fast it could be on a 1gbps card
masterofn001@lemmy.ca
on 10 Jun 18:38
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I feel they could easily ban VPN companies (maybe?), which is what 99.9% of people that want to browse from a different location use.
This won’t affect companies at all as they would be using their own VPN.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 23:00
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VPN becomes VPS and life goes on.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jun 09:52
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The only way the sovereign nation of France can ban VPN companies not based in France is to block the IP address of every single entry point of every single VPN company and keep doing so as they add new entry points (I bet the response on the VPN company side would be to start having some kind of dynamic VPN server thing).
And then, as somebody else already pointed out, any technically inclined person can just rent a VPS anywhere in the World and fire up their own VPN server on it.
affiliate@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 20:18
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if the VPN ban doesn’t work then the only reasonable course of action would be to ban the internet entirely. it’s the only way the children can be truly safe.
synapse1278@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 20:48
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Honestly and truly, I don’t think humanity is ready for the internet.
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 10 Jun 20:36
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Don’t give them ideas. If they block no-log VPNs I’m going to become a real threat 👀
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
on 10 Jun 21:19
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Does the rule in question even apply to end users? All I had heard of it was that it put some kind of requirement on the website itself to identify people, which a person seeking out a noncompliant or foreign website presumably wouldn’t be the one violating?
Ah yes, chat control, the crackdown on encryption, backdoors, etc., all forgotten? So now thousands of French people are deliberately using VPNs for something that is now illegal. Well, the politicians won’t take advantage of this to take action against VPNs and encryption… To protect the children, of course…
rottingleaf@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 18:21
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BTW, who even had the brilliant idea to block pr0n for French of all people?
Because for the right, apparently saying porn or fuck or shit is bad for children, but people grooming the same children is fine.
But in all seriousness, being goomed by 2 people when I was not even 14 has done more damage to me than playing black ops 2 with all the graphic scenes on my Wii-U when I was 12, and trust me, in that game I have heard the word fuck more times than I could count back then
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 10 Jun 20:41
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If you at all think that people can be addicted to social media, you could draw a correlation from this to porn addiction.
I know a lot of you either don’t think porn can be addictive and/or don’t think it can have negative effects on society.
Ask yourselves why the logic works for social media but not porn.
EDIT: I’m gonna have to do an experiment and see if I get more downvotes for saying negative things about porn or positive things about Israel. Unfortunately I think it’d be pretty close.
daggermoon@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 19:07
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FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 11 Jun 06:52
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I’m all good, thanks
To be clear: yes it has some impacts, but I believe the majority of problems could be avoided if the parents did their job and told them that it wasn’t like that in real life. The impacts are in most cases not as extreme as other addictions by a large margin.
Asking for identity like this isn’t fine as we all know porn isn’t really well accepted by everyone, including employers, so having a data leak or just having our preferences linked to our identity doesn’t make us confortable.
People will always be able to go around and find porn every way, and I bet people that ended up on porn either searched for it, or went to a shady website you can’t regulate anyway, or went to some social media where some asshole posted explicit photos, which imo is the most likely.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 20:47
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If everything you can get addicted to were made illegal, there’d be nothing legal left.
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social
on 10 Jun 21:32
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To be fair, potentially addictive or not, I wouldn’t support a ban on social media either. The practical requirements needed to effectively restrict access to information in the modern age (both porn and social media being examples of information) are such that I generally view the cure as worse than the disease, so to speak, and view the least bad option as being to just give up on legal restrictions and just deal with the consequences instead. Addiction is harmful, but most consumers of such information aren’t harmed by it, and restriction inherently requires monitoring and removing internet anonymity to a degree that I find unacceptable.
Didn’t say anything about banning porn or social media. Just saying that they’re both addictive and have negative consequences on society. Yall can keep your porn. Relax.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 22:51
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Ask yourselves why the logic works for social media but not porn.
But we love our mods. What about freedom of speech online? People just too addicted to porn and can’t even muster an ounce of criticism or critical thinking.
Ehh… Application of a addiction model is somewhat controversial for pornography (the ground seems divided on whether it’s a compulsion or an addiction). Social media, however, is no less controversial (it’s just the media likes to hype this more).
I will say - the point of a porn site is to sell user data and deliver ads, whereas the point of social media is to keep the user scrolling by any means possible. By its design, the latter cultivates addiction as a clear goal (the goal to scroll is artificially imposed), whereas the case for the former is less clear (the goal to masturbate isn’t something porn created). In essence, one creates a drive and then sates it, whereas another sates an existing drive.
Honestly, I think, at the moment, we’re on the “violent video games cause violence” stage of the research. In other words, not enough data to decide so the media has decided for us.
devolution@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 19:11
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bytesonbike@discuss.online
on 10 Jun 21:20
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And you know what they call a quarter pounder with Cheese in Paris?
LiterallyLMAO@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 01:00
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A 113.3981 gramer with cheese?
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 20:27
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I have to admit, of all the nations on earth, I never expected this sort of puritanical theatrical authoritarianism out of the french.
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 10 Jun 20:30
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They’ve been trying to block it for many years now.
France has been going downhill for quite some time. Many proposals for chat control and tracking… even recently, we got a law proposal that aimed at banning E2EE 😵
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 22:49
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Damn, the whole world really is going authoritarian.
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 10 Jun 23:24
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When it’s not about protecting kids, it’s about fighting drugs
They always have a “good” reason to remove our freedom, because apparently security seems much more important, and it seems like it’s the only way to do it. Lol.
Politicians are always trying to ban encryption in every country. I remember it happening constantly in the 90s. And it happens because politicians don’t understand that you can’t ban math
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 11 Jun 17:23
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Wait 'til they do it. You’re underestimating them.
Age verification in a porn database is odd to me, from a privacy point of view AND a massive undertaking for the porn company. And then there’s the puritan culture of wanting to block teenagers from watching porn? Seems a very anti-French thing to me, but I’m also pretty ignorant of actual French culture. I assumed French culture would be like, once you have the urges, you’ll go seeking, and if you need to look at the internet in the safety of your own bedroom, is better than unexpected pregnancies to satisfy urges.
What’s the deal with all of this, anyway? What are the arguments here?
“Protect delicate children’s eyes from seeing nudity”
I think that’s about it
BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 08:17
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I’m not aware of the exact motivations of all the actors. What follows are my guesses.
My guess would be that
Some député want to protect children from the most dangerous types of porn (which I can hear on some level, porn can be addictive for some people and can lead to negative behaviour, children are always more sensitive).
Some probably think that all porn is bad and want to prevent anyone from consuming it, this would only be a first step for those.
Some definitely want to be able to spy on everyone and use this as an excuse to further reduce privacy and freedom
You might not be aware depending where you are from, but France is on a slippery slope towards Fascism, the far right is gaining more power every day, a lot of people think it is very plausible that a far right president is elected on the next election (2027), along with a parliament’s majority.
Germany had this since forever, it’s just how offline laws translate to the internet: There’s a difference between a) ordinary nudity, b) eroticism and c) straight-up porn. The latter was always 18+, in video rental stores etc. they would have a separate section and if you didn’t look of age you’d get ID’d.
You can’t order alcohol online in Germany without a proper age check, and the same applies to porn. For paid offerings that’s no issue, payment providers offer age checks (your bank knows how old you are and them vouching suffices), for free sites it’s a no-go, noone is going to go through the hassle. Especially as you can escape off the German-language internet onto the international one and merely click through an “are you 18” banner.
Notably, pornhub isn’t blocked in Germany – neither from the German side, nor from pornhub’s. Very occasionally DNS bans are ordered when a site without age checks tries to specifically target the German market. Mostly though it’s down to German google not serving up those international porn sites which in the end is good enough for the youth protection authorities because the point is not to make access impossible, it’s to make sure that youth not ready for content doesn’t stumble across it. And once you’re actively seeking, you’re ready, the hoops you have to jump through are proof of the “active” part. YMMV on “not ready for porn with 18”, back in the days there was still softcore. On free TV. Probably won’t hurt kids to not start out with gonzo.
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jun 00:30
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Democracy and general Egalitarianism is so 2008. Authoritarianism is what’s hot now.
Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 03:25
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I can’t wait for a severe overcorrection
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 11 Jun 17:32
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To clarify, the french didn’t ban pornhub, it’s the company behind pornhub who decided to deny it’s access in France to protest a law proposal that is currently getting examined in parliament
Ps : The law in question would require all porn sites to verify the age of its users
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jun 04:44
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Ps : The law in question would require all porn sites to verify the age of its users
This is how young boys learn to computer. It won’t do shit to stop anything. It’s a waste of time.
Kornblumenratte@feddit.org
on 11 Jun 05:58
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Well – this might be more succesful in boostering the IT skills of France’s next generation than any curriculum reform.
Because the majority of porn watchers are male at about a 4:1 ratio. They aren’t saying it was exclusively boys either, likely just what made sense from their perspective at the time.
The law in question would require all porn sites to verify the age of its users
Wait aren’t they proposing the same thing in the US as well? It’s a fairly standard thing of right-wing governments to just demand the impossible with no understanding about it could possibly be achieved.
For now it’s not nation wide, it’s just up to states if they want to implement an age verification law like that. They want to make it so that in order to prove your identity/age you need to do something like upload a copy of your ID/Drivers License that will be linked with your “research” accounts.
They say it’s to “save the children” and shit like that but the end goal really is to basically shame people who enjoy researching things because Jesus says it’s bad.
They understand just how hard it would be to comply. And that’s the point. Make it hard enough to meet the requirements to not make worth a business’ while to comply. And the politicians can say “We didn’t ban PornHub. They blocked you from access.”
It’s a common tool both the left and right use to control behaviors. Governments around the world do this all the time.
Right, because we’ve never checked ID for things like tobacco and alcohol before?
These porn companies should work on efficient cost effective ways to verify adults instead of using politics and social media to increase profits. I’m sure you are aware profit is higher if children are allowed on their websites.
It’s very different handing my ID to a store clerk, who barely looks at it because my birth year starts with 19, from uploading a photo of that ID to a sketchy service who now has a permanent documentation of precisely who I am and what sort of freaky shit I’m into.
Sure, the tracking services already know this, but they don’t also have a photo of my ID that I willingly gave to them to prove it’s me.
I’m not opposed to vpns. I simply don’t want porn accessible to children easily. Simple barriers to entry like an ID or credit card have worked before and surely will again once porn streaming sites give up fighting this regulation and start working to follow it.
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 11 Jun 22:58
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It’s too easy to go around. Make a Reddit account: NSFW access.
Search torrents, NSFW access.
Join a telegram channel, NSFW access.
Hell, just search google images and it’ll work to an extent.
Discord, same thing.
With this many websites, you just can’t stop it. They can’t even stop the piracy websites so…
It seriously harms everyone’s right to stay private and anonymous for this, and I believe it sucks.
If then want to see it, they’ll ask other people, and that’s where it becomes dangerous.
You have more faith in the younger generations technical skills than I do. Either way though I don’t want it to be impossible to bypass, just harder to access if you aren’t an adult.
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 13 Jun 07:40
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Understandable, but I don’t believe requiring personal information is the way to go
It might just be the best option right now, but I haven’t really read any other suggestions so I’m not entirely sure. I would be open to a different implementation though.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 16:21
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How about we put some responsibility on parents to keep their kids away from potentially harmful Internet content, instead of relying on the state to do it for us in large swathes, affecting literally anyone who goes to those sites, legally or not? Surely you’re more on board with responsible parenting than everyone having to hand over their legal identification to a fucking porn site.
Its on both sides of the relationship, parent and porn provider. Same as with alcohol and tobacco, if you don’t have parents doing their part, those kids end up with that stuff anyways.
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 18:34
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Brick and mortar shops aren’t comparable to websites, and I don’t know why you keep trying to compare them. The places that sell alcohol and tobacco aren’t asking me to upload a digital version of my legal identification to some cloud-backed database. They’re just manually checking a date and a picture. Most places I buy from don’t even make me physically hand over my ID, I can just show it to them without it ever leaving my possession.
Yes because I’m not buying whisky online am I’m going to a physical store where I can give them my physical ID and they can look at my physical face. Unless I’m wearing a very convincing prosthetic there isn’t very much I can do to hide my identity.
Online is harder, just because I have uploaded an ID doesn’t mean it’s mine. What are they going to do, demand a video as well, because it’s not as if video generation hasn’t already gotten to the point where it’s perfectly capable of faking that kind of thing.
I can see you haven’t thought about this at all. You should run for office.
The law in question would require all porn sites to verify the age of its users
Isn’t that already the case on a lot of the internet?
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jun 11:18
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I think this law requires you to upload a photo of your ID and says that it’s the website’s fault if underage people use it and they face a hefty fine. It’s a lot more than the standard “click to pinky promise that you’re definitely 18” because PornHub already has that.
The percentages of respondents in surveys on infidelity answering “not a moral issue” from France are a bit of a cultural difference (from Australian perspective, anyway)
BetaBlake@lemmy.world
on 10 Jun 20:39
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How about you just parent your children? But it’s not about the children, that’s just always the convenient excuse
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 10 Jun 21:02
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So funny thing about Aylo, which used to be called mind geek, they own quite a lot of porn sites. Probably 5 or 6 of the top ten.
BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 22:38
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You misunderstand, France didn’t block pornhub, pornhub blocked France.
It is to protest against a new law requiring porn site to verify the users age. Which they argue will have dire consequences for security and privacy (I fully agree about the danger)
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 10 Jun 22:51
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They did the same in my puritanical US state that passed a similar law.
FourWaveforms@lemm.ee
on 10 Jun 21:16
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Spankbang alone blows PornHub out of the water in my opinion. So does Xvideos. I guess it depends what you’re into? I don’t like all of the incest shit on PornHub.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 00:33
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Good ol’ Anja und Katja definitely helped me out in my teenage years.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub
on 11 Jun 01:22
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More of just a softcore/strip kinda guy. I find porn corny and offputting so I’m usually just browsing /s/, fapello, or the endless tumblr blogs for every fetish imaginable. (suggestions welcome).
gallery sites, are my thing, I guess, redtube is another good one with a lot of solo stuff. Motherless, though I hate going there because some of that content is a little on the teen-obsessed side, and kinda creepy, but I do like the way the site is designed.
xvideos is a PH affiliate i think, if you noticed ph or these adjacent sites will have links to each other that have similar sanitationized like PH did.
SummaCummaCreampie@lemmynsfw.com
on 11 Jun 07:19
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Get Alldebrid, yes it’s paid but it’s cheap if you are just getting a vpn for porn you might as well get Alldebrid and you can use it to stream movies on stremio as well , then install the Alldebrid browser extension. Go to Adultdb.io click one of the links, scan the page with the extension. It will find the rapdigator link even if you don’t solve the captcha. Then click on the link in the extension and then it takes you to the Alldebrid page where you can download or stream the movie at basically the best quality. Also Alldebrid works with torrents so you can add torrents from xxxclub.to and usually it’s already cached and you can watch it immediately.
Also great for VR just load the torrents into Alldebrid, then go to the Alldebrid media folder page on your headset with DeoVR or HereSphereVR then you can stream VR porn directly, no need to download.
Often filmed with nothing but desire to share the joy. Vivid, real, as opposed to the carefully curated studio plastic, or OF crap where people have it for the money, and with all the ethical and other concerns about it.
But I know there are always two sides to look at the issue. Studio production is obviously more perfected, and that’s what many like
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jun 04:42
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You’re*
fritobugger2017@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 02:29
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No one reads the damned article. France didn’t ban porn nor Porn Hub, they put in a place an age verification law and now PH is banning French IP addresses.
Right, and TikTok banned users it previously identified as being from the US rather than doing the IP-origin ban PornHub uses given they don’t require an account nor app.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 11 Jun 09:18
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Reminds me of the running joke I had with a French bloke in a place were I worked in about how Jacquie-Et-Michelle (NSFW) was an unmissable part of French Culture, which none of our other colleagues seem to - or at least admitted to - get.
sturmblast@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 04:00
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Why do people even go to pornhub… there are so many other options
Someone64@sh.itjust.works
on 11 Jun 07:40
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He said PornHub not Proton
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 11 Jun 09:09
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I don’t really give it much thought, I load pornhub, click a recommended video, do my business and then close the private tab (yes I know this doesn’t hide your activity but it does stop pornhub showing as a search suggestion.). I’m not a connoisseur it’s a means to an end.
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jun 15:46
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I put what I’m looking for into DDG and then click the first result. 30% of the time it’s PH, and 30% of the time it’s Xvideos.
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 11 Jun 16:50
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what about the 40%? reddit?
JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jun 20:41
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e621
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 12 Jun 11:36
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good taste
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 09:16
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Because it’s simple and it works. When most people want to watch porn they don’t spend an hour researching their best option, they just go somewhere they know and watch something there.
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 11 Jun 17:30
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What would you recommend? :)
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 11 Jun 19:35
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naughtymachinima for 3d stuff \
For other real videos, gotta check whether the french fucks blocked others like xnxx, xvideos, redtube. I don’t know which ones are also owned by the same parent company
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 11 Jun 19:53
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I believe everyone use a VPN to bypass this problem
The fact that you think that’s a burn just proves my point. If you watch porn you should seriously stop. It’s terrible for your brain chemistry, personal relationships, emotional health, vitality and spiritual state. It exploits women and severely damages the way men see women. Human sexuality gets hijacked and instead of having a loving relationship people are stuck in private viewing shameful images and pleasuring themselves for years not understanding that they are literally wasting their life and potential. People get addicted to the instant release of porn which harms personal relationships and longer-form activities that take continual effort and nuance and bring a higher order of pleasure and happiness. It’s probably good that porn frequently distracts people from having kids because undoubtedly the child would eventually be exposed to it purposefully or not by the parent at some point. So even if I accept your premise – porn is evil.
You realise most of that could be flipped to say the same thing about religion too, right?
And religion has arguably done more harm to women than porn ever has or will, so if porn is evil, religion must be too.
With places like onlyfans surging in popularity, women (and men) are much less likely to be exploited these days. There’s a lot less degrading content out there, and there’s many healthy couples who watch (and make) porn together, with no negative impact on their lives.
And I’m not denying some people are affected negatively by it, much like some people become alcoholics rather than only drinking socially.
Nothing in this world is purely good or evil. Those are terms you use for fantasy stories, not the real world.
You realise most of that could be flipped to say the same thing about religion too, right?
Lol okay. What is your worldview that’s so great it’s going to set me straight? Let me guess “live and let live dude…”
I’m a Christian. The Gospels are very clear about monogamy and that women are to be cherished and treated with respect. I respect women and recognize they are preyed upon constantly by our over-sexualized culture into dressing more provocatively, chasing impossible lifestyles and possibly having an onlyfans or whatever.
And religion has arguably done more harm to women than porn ever has or will, so if porn is evil, religion must be too.
Even if there was a way to quantify that claim (there’s not) and I argued from some tradition like Islam (which I don’t) you don’t even have a moral framework to argue from so your critique is meaningless. You don’t know what is harmful and what isnt. This proven by your next “points”.
With places like onlyfans surging in popularity, women (and men) are much less likely to be exploited these days.
Says who? Youth and chastity are being exploited. You don’t think showing your genitalia to the entire world at 18 will have negative effects to mental, emotional and spiritual health now or later in life? It’s nihilistic, degenerate and utterly devoid of meaning and promise. It is the basest form of entertainment, income and existence. It’s disgusting and everyone secretly knows it which is why your initial comment was a vague, limp-wristed platitude instead of direct defense of pornography. Something you still lack the conviction to say authoritatively because you know what I’m saying is true.
There’s a lot less degrading content out there
Like you would know what is degrading and what isnt.
many healthy couples who watch (and make) porn together, with no negative impact on their lives.
“Healthy”. Yeah that sounds real healthy. They are so healthy they have to resort to watching other people having sex when they should be spending time together making or raising kids. Who knows the conditions of the poor souls they are watching.
The fact that you think watching porn is healthy is an indicator that it has had a negative impact on your life.
You have no moral framework which is why this is fine to you. Porn is so disgusting and degenerate you have to be wilfully ignorant or totally blinded not to recognize it.
No one wants their daughter to grow up to be a porn star or their son to grow up to be a porn addict. That in and of itself should be enough evidence that it is a scourge with no generative potential for anyone.
All I ever learmed from the gospels is that women are to be treated as baby factories and cleaners who stay quietly at home. While men are allowed to lead, work, vote, etc…
I have a perfectly fine moral framework. It just isn’t based on a book written and modified by exploitative and controlling men many centuries ago.
Chastity is just another meaningless ‘moral’ invented by the damaging book you worship.
Your religious beliefs are what make you feel so negatively about porn. Fact is, not everyone has the same beliefs and negative attitude toward it.
You also hold some very strong falsehoods about people who watch porn. You act as if people who watch porn only ever do that, and it prevents them from doing anything else in their life.
My initial comment wasn’t a direct defense of pornography because I know it isn’t perfect.
For some people it has a negative impact on their life, for many it’s neutral, and for some it can even have a positive imapct.
Just like I wouldn’t jump in to say alcohol is amazing and ‘not evil’, there are positives and negatives. I don’t believe in absolutist terms.
While your continued failure to comprehend my initial comment is astonishing, it is also very tiring. Neither of us are benfiting from this conversation so, have a good life, stranger.
I think the oscillation described people’s activity time. Over the course of a day, people who would register for a VPN are much more likely to do so during the evening, because during the day they are busy with work. So you observer on a daily basis a peak like this.
Such charts are very common with services used daily. For example, social media usage in a given region often has a peak during the morning, a big peak during lunch time, and in general goes up after work time.
Of course not everyone works at the same time, but a majority of people have more or less the same work times, so we observe the peaks.
France uses a hybrid healthcare system like Australia, doesn’t it? Disabling your own populace in a country with public healthcare seems like a bit of a own goal tbh.
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
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ofc their goal is not to pay more, it’s to silence and harm people for standing up against the government, or for having some political opinions
The other reason is that some police units in charge of handling demonstrations like brutality, feeling powerful and harming people. They rarely get convicted because they can’t be identified, and even if they are, they’re pretty much only fired and don’t have any prison sentence
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 11:46
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At first I suspected this was the French government demanding that 40% of the videos be made in europe using the French language.
Which is weird since I often don’t hear much spoken dialogue in most porn films other than fake moans and and orgasms. Also my focus tends to be elsewhere…
I’ve never studied or learned French, but you can pick up some of this stuff from “throwaway” French in other context and the etymology shared with other languages.
So, basically just the stock U.S. porn phrase translated to French.
Agreed. I tend toward more literal translations for instruction/explanation – it made things stick better for me when learning Spanish. But, yes, in context “harder” is a definitely a more useful translation.
Have you met the French? There’s a bunch of English sex words brought in from French! Most notably is ménage à trois, for a threesome. The smoking a cigarette after sex cliché is pretty French too.
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 11 Jun 17:24
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ménage à trois
Should be “plan à trois” I believe
Transform2942@lemmy.ml
on 11 Jun 17:33
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I have no idea what is correct French, but the first phrase is the one that is used in English, I have never heard the second
FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr
on 11 Jun 17:45
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Alright! I’m a French speaker and I’ve never heard “ménage à trois”. It could be correct, but that’s old language. I believe “plan à trois” is the new thing we say.
My understanding is that ménage à trois says the three are ‘living together’ with the sex being implied via innuendo, whereas plan à trois is more directly about the sex act itself.
BilboBargains@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 17:31
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You horny bastards
meowmeowbeanz@sopuli.xyz
on 11 Jun 17:32
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Peak French stupidity, this isn’t about protecting kids - it’s about building surveillance infrastructure. Back in 2024, critics already called this the foundation for a “Great Firewall of France”. Once you have the legal framework to block websites and force ISPs to implement monitoring, mission creep is inevitable.
The technical approach is laughably naive. They’re essentially creating a centralized system that could easily become a database of citizen sexual preferences. Even with their “double anonymity,” you’re still creating digital fingerprints and metadata trails.
Most importantly, it won’t work. Kids will just use VPNs - the same way adults are already doing. You’re not protecting anyone; you’re just pushing everyone toward circumvention tools while normalizing government control over what adults can access online.
It’s perfectly French because it combines maximum bureaucratic complexity with zero practical benefit, all while creating new opportunities for state overreach. Classic.
i think it should be a little harder for a child to watch anal prolapse fisting porn than “click yes if you’re of legal age”….
but… not a good excuse for creating a citizen surveillance database.
Fair point on the current system being theater, but here’s the thing - any centralized age verification system creates exactly the surveillance database you’re worried about.
The “harder than clicking yes” solutions all have the same fundamental flaw: they require collecting and storing sensitive data that becomes a honeypot for both state actors and bad actors. Upload your ID? Now there’s a database linking your identity to your viewing habits. Credit card verification? Same problem, plus you’re creating financial trails.
The technical reality is that determined kids will circumvent anything you put in place. We already saw this play out - VPN registrations exploded 1,000% in France within 30 minutes. You’re not actually protecting kids; you’re just normalizing data collection on adults while teaching every teenager in the country how to use Tor.
Better approach would be device-level parental controls that parents can configure without creating centralized databases. Let Apple, Google, Microsoft handle age verification through their existing account systems where the data stays local. That way you get actual protection without building the infrastructure for a surveillance state.
The French solution gives you the worst of both worlds - ineffective protection AND mass surveillance. Classic government efficiency.
that’s a lack of imagination….
just because i can’t think of a great solution doesn’t mean there isn’t one.
off the top of my head, here’s a system without a centralized surveillance database:
porn site gives you a random token,
you then hash that with a time-stamp,
get the token signed by your government ID system (like a dmv),
return the signed hash.
the government only knows that you used age verification for something somewhere….
now the hard part is just explaining cryptographic signatures and hashes to people….
of course people could still give a kid a verified account, but at least it’s harder for them to access it, i don’t need perfection….
And now they want to keep doing the job of the parents and forbid “social network” to kids 15 and under.
commander@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 17:52
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I guess this bodes well for Proton becoming increasingly a Google One products replacement with more users potentially paying
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 21:16
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hows proton?
njordomir@lemmy.world
on 11 Jun 22:59
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I hate how VPN access is the scaffolding holding the building up making things look normal. You can visit all your normal web sites, you can bypass georestrictions, you can be a little less tracked than you might otherwise be. But what happens when they decide to do away with that scaffolding and we all find out they tore down the house behind it while we were enjoying “normalcy”. Too much of making the web functional depends on vpns and adblocking. We shouldn’t have to do this stuff and Chromes adblocking scandle should impact millions of users all around the world unilaterally removing adblocking from the web. I fear for the day we have a US only internet and a global internet, not just on paper, but in actual practice.
network_switch@lemmy.ml
on 12 Jun 05:57
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I’m pretty satisfied as a subscriber. Slowly using proton mail for more and more important accounts. Constant usage of the VPN. Trying to use the calendar more but still haven’t broken my Google Calendar habits. Proton Drive I use over google; I just need a Linux desktop application. Proton pass, still haven’t given that a go. Comfortable with KeepassXC and managing the backups myself. Proton Docs, it’s OK. Solid start. Hoping that notes partnership/acquisition eventually replaces Google Keep for me as a cloud notes application. I have pretty strong confidence now in the company regardless of the slow Linux developments
Don’t people realize there are hundreds of free porn video sites besides Pornhub? With bigger selection too because the lesser known sites usually don’t get half their content DMCAed.
Paying money for a VPN just to access ONE free porn site? Sigh. I really hate web 3.0
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Why do the French even need Pornhub when their basic movies are very porn adjacent?
I blame the French for 120 days of Sodom burning my eyeballs, and I just skimmed the Wikipedia article. One of them chose to print that instead of burning the notes. Anyways, why is the hub being blocked in France?
Same reason it’s blocked in Florida.
French politicians passed a law that requires porn sites collect pii (identity) in order to access the site. PornHub won’t violate the privacy and security of their users, so they simply block the locales that pass such laws.
“Children should be reading good old stories like 120 days of Sodom, not this Pornhub filth” - probably some French conservative somewhere.
The Marquis de Sade was an elected official btw. He would've jacked off to shock sites. Says quite a bit about some of the French that it wasn't burned. It should've been. No historical or entertainment value, just pure degeneracy.
Protest on them trying to enact age consent laws.
Edit - the sauce - Pornhub, YouPorn owner suspends access to French users over age verification law
You mean they like their government likes to fuck them?
Well, yes… but still…
I don’t know what you meant
Out of the loop here, why did Pornhub leave France?
Age verification requirements.
It was literally the next post in my feed 😅
Thank you!
wow, didn’t expect that from france. I thought they, of all countries, would be less prudish than Texas about porn. 😬
Texas isn’t the first. I think it was started by Germany? I know the UK banned women’s orgasms and Australia banned hentai. Heck, India apparently banned porn altogether, ineffectively.
Germany didn’t do anything like that. Britain tried to ban porn like this but realized it’s a terrible idea and stepped back from it.
Ironically, it was PornHub’s parent company that was set to run the UK age verification scheme.
Did we? My scientific search the other night proves that false, and I’m not on VPN.
They banned the physical books, but they can’t really stop the internet
Why? To prevent British women from having expectations?
Because female cum is urine according to the powers that be, and that’s too much for them.
Everywhere has religious people that think they deserve to control others.
We have our own homegrown bigots, thank you
French conservatives passed a law requiring porn sites to verify age of all site visitors. Pornhub is blocking France instead of forcing its visitors to provide ID.
As one headline put it “PornHub pulls out of France”.
🤤
Blocking porn has got to be the most “why even bother” thing
Political theater. “Won’t somebody think of the children?” is an easy win for politicians.
Except it’s fucking awful to wait for buffering over Tor or a VPN
If you are paying for a VPN and you have buffering problems, change to another VPN, that one is shit.
Could just be their local internet quality. Which, still, not a VPN problem.
Sometimes routing between two IPs is fucked. Had that, and proxying to another location then to the destination again fixed it. Internet 😵
Why use Tor? It’s been compromised for years now. Just use I2P. You can torrent with that too.
It’s an easy proxy.
It doesn’t do the one thing it’s meant to do.
I mean, neither does the Web by now.
allow region blocked people to circumvent restrictions? AFAIK it still does that.
That’s not the sole purpose of it. The way it does it was what was important. And that method is flawed.
People using to to circumvent location based restrictions may not care about the anonymity feature of Tor. They just want pron. At least until the fascists start arresting viewers.
Can you elaborate on how tor is screwed?
An example: youtu.be/XDsLDhKG8Cs
Could be worse. Could be you’re in the early 90s with only a 56k modem.
You’d have good games and no bullshit on your PC.
And great LAN parties.
My VPN's perfectly fine. To be fair, it's not a free plan of a VPN that's heavily throttled, but I can even play multiplayer FPS games with only a few milliseconds of additional delay, and my overall max upload and download speed is almost exactly identical to when I have my VPN off.
Video over Tor is pretty awful, simply due to the way Tor works; Bandwidth is inherently limited, because it’s shared by everyone using the network. Same reason you should avoid torrenting over Tor.
But if your video is buffering over a VPN, you need to find a new VPN provider. Mine maxes out my gigabit connection.
Are there going to be bandwidth problems with vpns when more countries block porn though?
Like lots of France just joined them, and the rest of us lost a bunch of French exit nodes (at least for porn). The increase in subscribers should help expand bandwidth at big servers, but there’sa limit when we’re talking whole nations.
Plus an excuse to collect more data.
Yeah the point is just to soften the populace to the idea. Our fucking PM covered for pedophile priests in a Catholic school 30 years ago, he doesn’t give any fuck about kids.
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It’s not about blocking porn.
It’s always about control. Conservatives want to control how you consume sexual content.
It’s not about that either. It’s about connecting photo ID to browsing profiles and deanonymising the internet.
¿Por que los dos?
Like Reddit or YouTube with proper keywords didn’t exist
Been there, done that
Reminds me of when my buddies discovered our friend’s YouTube account… He only had one public playlist, and it was 100% full of softcore porn. Nothing else. It was all softcore porn. We gave him a pretty good ribbing for that one, and still make a point of reminding him that better porn sites exist every time it comes up.
Always hide your playlists and subscriptions haha
But softcore has the benefit to help you retain normal libido and to not be dependent of more hardcore stuff
I guess you could say he got ribbed for his pleasure.
I feel like reddit and YouTube are completely different leagues when it comes to porn… Porn is the only reason I haven’t deleted my last reddit account. YT doesn’t even really have real porn…
Indeed, but there’s still things to find if you’re a young scared kiddo, and I’d say it’s pretty soft so it’s okay
Meanwhile in Australia, they just passed a bill requiring social media to verify the age of their users to make sure they’re over 16
Ouch
What a great way to prevent minors from living their lives
Politically speaking, it’s easy money. You pander to the conservatives with blocking propositions, get votes.
*Who is going to champion the flip side?!"
Me. Porn is fine. Teach your children how to handle it. Teach them that it’s not realistic and some of it is straight-up dangerous. Put a filter on your internet if you’re too scared to talk to your kids about uncomfortable topics.
Man it’s porn, not guns. Children should not be near it!
Oh wait this is France
Anyway, I agree with you. We’re talking about regular ol garden variety porn. Everyone will probably see it at some point. Parents can limit what their kids see until the kids become smart enough to bypass filters. At which point they can probably handle seeing pennis n vagene.
VPN companies and data brokers have a financial incentive to lobby for intrusive age-verification and restrictions, and prudish politicians are conveniently present in every political system. The porn lobby is powerful, but it seems they’ve been losing this battle recently. Or maybe they’re cutting deals with the data brokers, who knows.
Dr. Cox was right: “I’m fairly sure if they took porn off the internet, there’d only be one website left, and it’d be called ‘Bring Back the Porn.'”
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Tumblr the Depraved?
I hate how hard this made me laugh
I still miss og tumblr and my little porn account i had going there.
Does oglaf count as porn?
Asking for a friend.
Well, it’s blocked by my porn blocker, so I’d say yes
Scared to click, someone pls provide context
These are comics, often with a nsfw gag, it’s safe to click on, it’s very mild.
Lol, there’s even a warning. The first one I saw was fucking hilarious, thanks for the recommendation!
I had totally forgotten oglaf existed, thanks for the reminder!
Oh, she’s trying!
Bro’s name is Dr. Cocks
You don’t like Cox?
I’m shocked that this many people feel the need to disobey a rule that is only there to help the children. Next step must be to ban VPNs altogether, and enforcing all Internet users to be identified with their real identity (/s obviously).
Teacher, leave the kids alone!
All and all its just a-nother dick in the porn.
Jokes on them I just have an incredibly high volume of DNS traffic
That’ll be really slow.
Can confirm, used DNS proxying to bypass cruise ship WiFi paywall once. It worked, but god damn did it send me into dialup flashback lmao
I’d like to hear more about how that works…
It’s called DNS tunneling it’s typically used for data exfiltration tactics, but it’s also great if you’re desperate to punch through even the toughest paid WiFi paywalls to Google something really
quickslow because you fucked something up on your phone lmao…github.io/…/0047-dns-tunneling-overview/
It really isn’t that slow, last time I tried to homebrew a working DNS tunnel it maxed my 100mbps card. I never needed the extra speed so I didn’t try to see how fast it could be on a 1gbps card
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Wait, this can’t just be another useless DNS blocking, or is it?
Edit: Didn’t get the joke first lol
It’s not. I use next and it’s blocked.
I was making a joke about running wireguard over UDP/53
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The VPNs will be harder to ban. Not just from a technical standpoint, but politically as well. Big businesses will be absolutely opposed to VPN bans.
There will be a lot of businesses who feel the (justified) need to hide the entrypoint to their infrastructure behind a VPN.
I feel they could easily ban VPN companies (maybe?), which is what 99.9% of people that want to browse from a different location use.
This won’t affect companies at all as they would be using their own VPN.
VPN becomes VPS and life goes on.
The only way the sovereign nation of France can ban VPN companies not based in France is to block the IP address of every single entry point of every single VPN company and keep doing so as they add new entry points (I bet the response on the VPN company side would be to start having some kind of dynamic VPN server thing).
And then, as somebody else already pointed out, any technically inclined person can just rent a VPS anywhere in the World and fire up their own VPN server on it.
if the VPN ban doesn’t work then the only reasonable course of action would be to ban the internet entirely. it’s the only way the children can be truly safe.
Back to the Minitel !
Honestly and truly, I don’t think humanity is ready for the internet.
Don’t give them ideas. If they block no-log VPNs I’m going to become a real threat 👀
Does the rule in question even apply to end users? All I had heard of it was that it put some kind of requirement on the website itself to identify people, which a person seeking out a noncompliant or foreign website presumably wouldn’t be the one violating?
Fun fact: they already tried. In the same law where they tried to ban E2EE a few months ago. It went about as well as you’d expect.
I mean for context with the TikTok comparison using a VPN didn’t get you around the TikTok ban unless you also made an entirely new account.
That’s because they banned the accounts.
Anyone who has an account on pornhub deserves their ban.
So, all the uploaders deserve a ban?
I’ll make an exception for uploaders.
Why? Making playlists and commenting gameplay is great
And sharing things with your family
Put the big booty on the good ol’ family screen and let’s wank together!
What’s wrong with having an account?
Anyone with more than two brain cells to click together could have told them this would happen. Some of them did. Not that they would/did listen.
Ah yes, chat control, the crackdown on encryption, backdoors, etc., all forgotten? So now thousands of French people are deliberately using VPNs for something that is now illegal. Well, the politicians won’t take advantage of this to take action against VPNs and encryption… To protect the children, of course…
BTW, who even had the brilliant idea to block pr0n for French of all people?
You can say porn here on lemmy
But think of the children!!!
Because for the right, apparently saying porn or fuck or shit is bad for children, but people grooming the same children is fine.
But in all seriousness, being goomed by 2 people when I was not even 14 has done more damage to me than playing black ops 2 with all the graphic scenes on my Wii-U when I was 12, and trust me, in that game I have heard the word fuck more times than I could count back then
porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn
You’re right
I heard that in Trekkie Monster’s voice.
If you at all think that people can be addicted to social media, you could draw a correlation from this to porn addiction.
I know a lot of you either don’t think porn can be addictive and/or don’t think it can have negative effects on society.
Ask yourselves why the logic works for social media but not porn.
EDIT: I’m gonna have to do an experiment and see if I get more downvotes for saying negative things about porn or positive things about Israel. Unfortunately I think it’d be pretty close.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6eFNRKEROw&t=21
Exactly. The world is addicted to porn.
So alcohol and tobacco should be entirely banned as well? We should start with these, they’re way worse
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I’m all good, thanks
To be clear: yes it has some impacts, but I believe the majority of problems could be avoided if the parents did their job and told them that it wasn’t like that in real life. The impacts are in most cases not as extreme as other addictions by a large margin.
Asking for identity like this isn’t fine as we all know porn isn’t really well accepted by everyone, including employers, so having a data leak or just having our preferences linked to our identity doesn’t make us confortable.
People will always be able to go around and find porn every way, and I bet people that ended up on porn either searched for it, or went to a shady website you can’t regulate anyway, or went to some social media where some asshole posted explicit photos, which imo is the most likely.
If everything you can get addicted to were made illegal, there’d be nothing legal left.
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maybe we should ban all the vices you don’t partake of but leave the rest intact
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To be fair, potentially addictive or not, I wouldn’t support a ban on social media either. The practical requirements needed to effectively restrict access to information in the modern age (both porn and social media being examples of information) are such that I generally view the cure as worse than the disease, so to speak, and view the least bad option as being to just give up on legal restrictions and just deal with the consequences instead. Addiction is harmful, but most consumers of such information aren’t harmed by it, and restriction inherently requires monitoring and removing internet anonymity to a degree that I find unacceptable.
Didn’t say anything about banning porn or social media. Just saying that they’re both addictive and have negative consequences on society. Yall can keep your porn. Relax.
Because they’re two completely different things.
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You absolutly right, but here in the Mecca of internet freedom, we don’t likey.
But we love our mods. What about freedom of speech online? People just too addicted to porn and can’t even muster an ounce of criticism or critical thinking.
Ehh… Application of a addiction model is somewhat controversial for pornography (the ground seems divided on whether it’s a compulsion or an addiction). Social media, however, is no less controversial (it’s just the media likes to hype this more).
I will say - the point of a porn site is to sell user data and deliver ads, whereas the point of social media is to keep the user scrolling by any means possible. By its design, the latter cultivates addiction as a clear goal (the goal to scroll is artificially imposed), whereas the case for the former is less clear (the goal to masturbate isn’t something porn created). In essence, one creates a drive and then sates it, whereas another sates an existing drive.
Honestly, I think, at the moment, we’re on the “violent video games cause violence” stage of the research. In other words, not enough data to decide so the media has decided for us.
Also, when in France, who needs porn when you have Eva Green?<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6cd8c5e8-910f-4152-8fd8-11cd5d902118.jpeg">
Cringe, pls delete
She looks like the tired waitress from IHOP where dreams go to die
Or as they call it in France, Le Porn
Le pr0n
Pron du fromage
sigh…
I want to watch one with Marine Le Porn
Deepfakes are bad
Who mentioned deepfakes, I want a real one
And you know what they call a quarter pounder with Cheese in Paris?
A 113.3981 gramer with cheese?
I have to admit, of all the nations on earth, I never expected this sort of puritanical theatrical authoritarianism out of the french.
They’ve been trying to block it for many years now.
France has been going downhill for quite some time. Many proposals for chat control and tracking… even recently, we got a law proposal that aimed at banning E2EE 😵
Damn, the whole world really is going authoritarian.
When it’s not about protecting kids, it’s about fighting drugs
They always have a “good” reason to remove our freedom, because apparently security seems much more important, and it seems like it’s the only way to do it. Lol.
Authoritarians have embraced internet culture somehow.
I’m curious how they got Gen Z so curtailed.
Politicians are always trying to ban encryption in every country. I remember it happening constantly in the 90s. And it happens because politicians don’t understand that you can’t ban math
Wait 'til they do it. You’re underestimating them.
They should actually take to the streets (again). Not joking. What is this nanny-state BS?
I know right? Aren’t there nude beaches in the south of France where people will fuck in broad daylight with others watching?
French citizens please confirm (for uh, science, and not vacation planning)!
Yes, there are. But you misunderstood the news: France didn’t block pornhub, pornhub blocked France as a protest against a new law.
Passings laws we don’t like?
NO PORN FOR YOU!!!
Isn’t protest coooooo you guys?
Age verification in a porn database is odd to me, from a privacy point of view AND a massive undertaking for the porn company. And then there’s the puritan culture of wanting to block teenagers from watching porn? Seems a very anti-French thing to me, but I’m also pretty ignorant of actual French culture. I assumed French culture would be like, once you have the urges, you’ll go seeking, and if you need to look at the internet in the safety of your own bedroom, is better than unexpected pregnancies to satisfy urges.
What’s the deal with all of this, anyway? What are the arguments here?
“Protect delicate children’s eyes from seeing nudity”
I think that’s about it
I’m not aware of the exact motivations of all the actors. What follows are my guesses.
My guess would be that
You might not be aware depending where you are from, but France is on a slippery slope towards Fascism, the far right is gaining more power every day, a lot of people think it is very plausible that a far right president is elected on the next election (2027), along with a parliament’s majority.
Germany had this since forever, it’s just how offline laws translate to the internet: There’s a difference between a) ordinary nudity, b) eroticism and c) straight-up porn. The latter was always 18+, in video rental stores etc. they would have a separate section and if you didn’t look of age you’d get ID’d.
You can’t order alcohol online in Germany without a proper age check, and the same applies to porn. For paid offerings that’s no issue, payment providers offer age checks (your bank knows how old you are and them vouching suffices), for free sites it’s a no-go, noone is going to go through the hassle. Especially as you can escape off the German-language internet onto the international one and merely click through an “are you 18” banner.
Notably, pornhub isn’t blocked in Germany – neither from the German side, nor from pornhub’s. Very occasionally DNS bans are ordered when a site without age checks tries to specifically target the German market. Mostly though it’s down to German google not serving up those international porn sites which in the end is good enough for the youth protection authorities because the point is not to make access impossible, it’s to make sure that youth not ready for content doesn’t stumble across it. And once you’re actively seeking, you’re ready, the hoops you have to jump through are proof of the “active” part. YMMV on “not ready for porn with 18”, back in the days there was still softcore. On free TV. Probably won’t hurt kids to not start out with gonzo.
Democracy and general Egalitarianism is so 2008. Authoritarianism is what’s hot now.
I can’t wait for a severe overcorrection
Bold of you to assume it ever was!
To clarify, the french didn’t ban pornhub, it’s the company behind pornhub who decided to deny it’s access in France to protest a law proposal that is currently getting examined in parliament
Ps : The law in question would require all porn sites to verify the age of its users
This is how young boys learn to computer. It won’t do shit to stop anything. It’s a waste of time.
Well – this might be more succesful in boostering the IT skills of France’s next generation than any curriculum reform.
How do you know it’s just boys? Seems an odd assumption, considering the nature of omission of information with this.
Because the majority of porn watchers are male at about a 4:1 ratio. They aren’t saying it was exclusively boys either, likely just what made sense from their perspective at the time.
Wait aren’t they proposing the same thing in the US as well? It’s a fairly standard thing of right-wing governments to just demand the impossible with no understanding about it could possibly be achieved.
For now it’s not nation wide, it’s just up to states if they want to implement an age verification law like that. They want to make it so that in order to prove your identity/age you need to do something like upload a copy of your ID/Drivers License that will be linked with your “research” accounts.
They say it’s to “save the children” and shit like that but the end goal really is to basically shame people who enjoy researching things because Jesus says it’s bad.
They understand just how hard it would be to comply. And that’s the point. Make it hard enough to meet the requirements to not make worth a business’ while to comply. And the politicians can say “We didn’t ban PornHub. They blocked you from access.”
It’s a common tool both the left and right use to control behaviors. Governments around the world do this all the time.
Right, because we’ve never checked ID for things like tobacco and alcohol before?
These porn companies should work on efficient cost effective ways to verify adults instead of using politics and social media to increase profits. I’m sure you are aware profit is higher if children are allowed on their websites.
It’s very different handing my ID to a store clerk, who barely looks at it because my birth year starts with 19, from uploading a photo of that ID to a sketchy service who now has a permanent documentation of precisely who I am and what sort of freaky shit I’m into.
Sure, the tracking services already know this, but they don’t also have a photo of my ID that I willingly gave to them to prove it’s me.
Are you embarrassed you look at porn? There’s plenty of ways to manage without an internet connection. Go grab a compilation torrent.
Even if all these sites went verification tonight, you’d still be able to privately jerk off to whatever it is you want to hide so bad.
Torrents are even worse without a VPN. Ever heard of iknowwhatyoudownload.com ?
Given that I torrent without a VPN and it had nothing on there, and it also got my location wrong by over 500km, I dont think I’m too worried.
If you’re on private trackers there won’t be anything
Location is estimated based on ISP. Always trash
I’m not opposed to vpns. I simply don’t want porn accessible to children easily. Simple barriers to entry like an ID or credit card have worked before and surely will again once porn streaming sites give up fighting this regulation and start working to follow it.
It’s too easy to go around. Make a Reddit account: NSFW access.
Search torrents, NSFW access.
Join a telegram channel, NSFW access.
Hell, just search google images and it’ll work to an extent.
Discord, same thing.
With this many websites, you just can’t stop it. They can’t even stop the piracy websites so…
It seriously harms everyone’s right to stay private and anonymous for this, and I believe it sucks.
If then want to see it, they’ll ask other people, and that’s where it becomes dangerous.
You have more faith in the younger generations technical skills than I do. Either way though I don’t want it to be impossible to bypass, just harder to access if you aren’t an adult.
Understandable, but I don’t believe requiring personal information is the way to go
It might just be the best option right now, but I haven’t really read any other suggestions so I’m not entirely sure. I would be open to a different implementation though.
How about we put some responsibility on parents to keep their kids away from potentially harmful Internet content, instead of relying on the state to do it for us in large swathes, affecting literally anyone who goes to those sites, legally or not? Surely you’re more on board with responsible parenting than everyone having to hand over their legal identification to a fucking porn site.
Its on both sides of the relationship, parent and porn provider. Same as with alcohol and tobacco, if you don’t have parents doing their part, those kids end up with that stuff anyways.
Brick and mortar shops aren’t comparable to websites, and I don’t know why you keep trying to compare them. The places that sell alcohol and tobacco aren’t asking me to upload a digital version of my legal identification to some cloud-backed database. They’re just manually checking a date and a picture. Most places I buy from don’t even make me physically hand over my ID, I can just show it to them without it ever leaving my possession.
You’ve never had your I’d scanned at a store before? How do you think all that works?
Yes because I’m not buying whisky online am I’m going to a physical store where I can give them my physical ID and they can look at my physical face. Unless I’m wearing a very convincing prosthetic there isn’t very much I can do to hide my identity.
Online is harder, just because I have uploaded an ID doesn’t mean it’s mine. What are they going to do, demand a video as well, because it’s not as if video generation hasn’t already gotten to the point where it’s perfectly capable of faking that kind of thing.
I can see you haven’t thought about this at all. You should run for office.
Isn’t that already the case on a lot of the internet?
I think this law requires you to upload a photo of your ID and says that it’s the website’s fault if underage people use it and they face a hefty fine. It’s a lot more than the standard “click to pinky promise that you’re definitely 18” because PornHub already has that.
The percentages of respondents in surveys on infidelity answering “not a moral issue” from France are a bit of a cultural difference (from Australian perspective, anyway)
How about you just parent your children? But it’s not about the children, that’s just always the convenient excuse
riseup.net/en/vpn
Doesn’t that start with a blatent lie? Which serious VPN does that nowadays?
I don’t understand, why not just open another porn website?
Brand loyalty
So funny thing about Aylo, which used to be called mind geek, they own quite a lot of porn sites. Probably 5 or 6 of the top ten.
You misunderstand, France didn’t block pornhub, pornhub blocked France.
It is to protest against a new law requiring porn site to verify the users age. Which they argue will have dire consequences for security and privacy (I fully agree about the danger)
They did the same in my puritanical US state that passed a similar law.
le hon hon hon!!! je veux a l’vpn en plús!!!
I wonder if this is because it’s porn or because it’s french people who like to stick it to the government
There are other, much better sites, lol.
go on…
spankbang, xvideos, eporner…
hmm those equivalent, I would not call them better
Spankbang alone blows PornHub out of the water in my opinion. So does Xvideos. I guess it depends what you’re into? I don’t like all of the incest shit on PornHub.
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It’s wincest. Especially if it features little people.
Good ol’ Anja und Katja definitely helped me out in my teenage years.
More of just a softcore/strip kinda guy. I find porn corny and offputting so I’m usually just browsing /s/, fapello, or the endless tumblr blogs for every fetish imaginable. (suggestions welcome).
gallery sites, are my thing, I guess, redtube is another good one with a lot of solo stuff. Motherless, though I hate going there because some of that content is a little on the teen-obsessed side, and kinda creepy, but I do like the way the site is designed.
<_< are we having this discussion right now?
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I see… and agree. In my world PornHub seems to be the most famous but I rarely visit.
Seeing some “unexplored” options with all the suggestions here hehehe
Different, I would say. Best home vids? PH. More fetishes? Xvideos.
xvideos is a PH affiliate i think, if you noticed ph or these adjacent sites will have links to each other that have similar sanitationized like PH did.
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Big Porn ™️
xnxx
Pervertube. Thisvid. Motherless.
I just realized indicating these websites might have revealed a little too much about the kinds of porn I like to watch. ☹️
Which one pops the “you are leaving the trans section to go the straight section, are you sure?”
I really don’t think I should be called out just because I like straight porn.
Whoa. I haven’t heard of Pervertube. I have specific tastes involving a dirty mattress with no sheet or at least one overflowing ashtray.
NEW PORN!!!1!!!1!!!
Absolute degeneracy, thank you.
Get Alldebrid, yes it’s paid but it’s cheap if you are just getting a vpn for porn you might as well get Alldebrid and you can use it to stream movies on stremio as well , then install the Alldebrid browser extension. Go to Adultdb.io click one of the links, scan the page with the extension. It will find the rapdigator link even if you don’t solve the captcha. Then click on the link in the extension and then it takes you to the Alldebrid page where you can download or stream the movie at basically the best quality. Also Alldebrid works with torrents so you can add torrents from xxxclub.to and usually it’s already cached and you can watch it immediately.
Also great for VR just load the torrents into Alldebrid, then go to the Alldebrid media folder page on your headset with DeoVR or HereSphereVR then you can stream VR porn directly, no need to download.
As a «produced porn» enjoyer…
Usenet Stashdb Local stash instance
Treat porn like you do tv shows :p
I don’t really care for home video stuff
Home video stuff is arguably the best!
Often filmed with nothing but desire to share the joy. Vivid, real, as opposed to the carefully curated studio plastic, or OF crap where people have it for the money, and with all the ethical and other concerns about it.
But I know there are always two sides to look at the issue. Studio production is obviously more perfected, and that’s what many like
To each their own!
xHamster is my go to!
More than TikTok’s US ban doesn’t mean much given TikTok blocked user accounts who originate from the US regardless of VPN location
Edited for clarity: given
theyTikTok blocked, usersaccounts.
You’re*
No one reads the damned article. France didn’t ban porn nor Porn Hub, they put in a place an age verification law and now PH is banning French IP addresses.
Right, and TikTok banned users it previously identified as being from the US rather than doing the IP-origin ban PornHub uses given they don’t require an account nor app.
pornhub is so sanitized now, im guessing its mostly because of the OF videos. most of them are on sites that arnt affiliated with PH.
After the big purge of some years ago, PornHub has became useless. The good real videos are elsewhere.
I think that you are just a bit too kinky
They removed a lot of videos that were perfectly legal and fine :-/
Well they are the French
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Reminds me of the running joke I had with a French bloke in a place were I worked in about how Jacquie-Et-Michelle (NSFW) was an unmissable part of French Culture, which none of our other colleagues seem to - or at least admitted to - get.
Why do people even go to pornhub… there are so many other options
Put down one of the sites…
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He said PornHub not Proton
I don’t really give it much thought, I load pornhub, click a recommended video, do my business and then close the private tab (yes I know this doesn’t hide your activity but it does stop pornhub showing as a search suggestion.). I’m not a connoisseur it’s a means to an end.
I put what I’m looking for into DDG and then click the first result. 30% of the time it’s PH, and 30% of the time it’s Xvideos.
what about the 40%? reddit?
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good taste
Because it’s simple and it works. When most people want to watch porn they don’t spend an hour researching their best option, they just go somewhere they know and watch something there.
So instead of switching to a different website, they spend an hour researching, buying and setting up a VPN in order to still use PornHub?
What do you mean “setting it up?” You just install it, and click connect (or chose a country with one of their servers) easily.
Unless they do research, they will have to buy one of the advertised VPNs.
Both require time and energy.
Ok buddy
What would you recommend? :)
naughtymachinima for 3d stuff \
For other real videos, gotta check whether the french fucks blocked others like xnxx, xvideos, redtube. I don’t know which ones are also owned by the same parent company
I believe everyone use a VPN to bypass this problem
This is depressing.
it’s not like sexual desire is human nature
Sexual desire is one thing. Pornography is another. Porn is evil.
Believe it or not, there’s nuance in the world. Not everything is good or evil.
Irrelevant to what I said.
You said porn is evil. Seems pretty relevant to reply saying things aren’t all good or evil.
I could explain it slowly
in simpler termswith easy words, if it helps?If you have a position state it directly instead of hiding behind a low effort platitude.
I did. My position is that there is nuance and not everything can be described as good or evil.
Please learn to read.
Profound.
Not surprised you found that profound, considering how long you took to comprehend it.
Go back to watching porn.
Go back to church.
The fact that you think that’s a burn just proves my point. If you watch porn you should seriously stop. It’s terrible for your brain chemistry, personal relationships, emotional health, vitality and spiritual state. It exploits women and severely damages the way men see women. Human sexuality gets hijacked and instead of having a loving relationship people are stuck in private viewing shameful images and pleasuring themselves for years not understanding that they are literally wasting their life and potential. People get addicted to the instant release of porn which harms personal relationships and longer-form activities that take continual effort and nuance and bring a higher order of pleasure and happiness. It’s probably good that porn frequently distracts people from having kids because undoubtedly the child would eventually be exposed to it purposefully or not by the parent at some point. So even if I accept your premise – porn is evil.
You realise most of that could be flipped to say the same thing about religion too, right?
And religion has arguably done more harm to women than porn ever has or will, so if porn is evil, religion must be too.
With places like onlyfans surging in popularity, women (and men) are much less likely to be exploited these days. There’s a lot less degrading content out there, and there’s many healthy couples who watch (and make) porn together, with no negative impact on their lives.
And I’m not denying some people are affected negatively by it, much like some people become alcoholics rather than only drinking socially.
Nothing in this world is purely good or evil. Those are terms you use for fantasy stories, not the real world.
Lol okay. What is your worldview that’s so great it’s going to set me straight? Let me guess “live and let live dude…”
I’m a Christian. The Gospels are very clear about monogamy and that women are to be cherished and treated with respect. I respect women and recognize they are preyed upon constantly by our over-sexualized culture into dressing more provocatively, chasing impossible lifestyles and possibly having an onlyfans or whatever.
Even if there was a way to quantify that claim (there’s not) and I argued from some tradition like Islam (which I don’t) you don’t even have a moral framework to argue from so your critique is meaningless. You don’t know what is harmful and what isnt. This proven by your next “points”.
Says who? Youth and chastity are being exploited. You don’t think showing your genitalia to the entire world at 18 will have negative effects to mental, emotional and spiritual health now or later in life? It’s nihilistic, degenerate and utterly devoid of meaning and promise. It is the basest form of entertainment, income and existence. It’s disgusting and everyone secretly knows it which is why your initial comment was a vague, limp-wristed platitude instead of direct defense of pornography. Something you still lack the conviction to say authoritatively because you know what I’m saying is true.
Like you would know what is degrading and what isnt.
“Healthy”. Yeah that sounds real healthy. They are so healthy they have to resort to watching other people having sex when they should be spending time together making or raising kids. Who knows the conditions of the poor souls they are watching.
The fact that you think watching porn is healthy is an indicator that it has had a negative impact on your life.
You have no moral framework which is why this is fine to you. Porn is so disgusting and degenerate you have to be wilfully ignorant or totally blinded not to recognize it.
No one wants their daughter to grow up to be a porn star or their son to grow up to be a porn addict. That in and of itself should be enough evidence that it is a scourge with no generative potential for anyone.
All I ever learmed from the gospels is that women are to be treated as baby factories and cleaners who stay quietly at home. While men are allowed to lead, work, vote, etc…
I have a perfectly fine moral framework. It just isn’t based on a book written and modified by exploitative and controlling men many centuries ago.
Chastity is just another meaningless ‘moral’ invented by the damaging book you worship.
Your religious beliefs are what make you feel so negatively about porn. Fact is, not everyone has the same beliefs and negative attitude toward it.
You also hold some very strong falsehoods about people who watch porn. You act as if people who watch porn only ever do that, and it prevents them from doing anything else in their life.
My initial comment wasn’t a direct defense of pornography because I know it isn’t perfect. For some people it has a negative impact on their life, for many it’s neutral, and for some it can even have a positive imapct.
Just like I wouldn’t jump in to say alcohol is amazing and ‘not evil’, there are positives and negatives. I don’t believe in absolutist terms.
While your continued failure to comprehend my initial comment is astonishing, it is also very tiring. Neither of us are benfiting from this conversation so, have a good life, stranger.
According to what?
Not everyone thinks female circumcision is bad either.
Lol
Do you absolutely believe that?
Your initial comment is indicative of somebody who hasn’t thought seriously about their worldview but feels confident about critiquing others.
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Intrigued by the quarter a day oscillation in that graph… 🤔
I think the oscillation described people’s activity time. Over the course of a day, people who would register for a VPN are much more likely to do so during the evening, because during the day they are busy with work. So you observer on a daily basis a peak like this.
Such charts are very common with services used daily. For example, social media usage in a given region often has a peak during the morning, a big peak during lunch time, and in general goes up after work time.
Of course not everyone works at the same time, but a majority of people have more or less the same work times, so we observe the peaks.
The only real interesting part is that there seems to be no major change in usage over the weekend.
You are right, thanks! I misread the graph and thought it was a 4 cycles per day, which was puzzling me, but is indeed just a daily oscillation
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I remember when the French used to respond to this shit with fire instead
Now we get tear gased and shot with rubber bullets until we become disabled
Bub, that’s always happened.
Well actually in the past it was executed
yea indeed, but they do it pretty much every time on everyone, dunno if that was the same before
France uses a hybrid healthcare system like Australia, doesn’t it? Disabling your own populace in a country with public healthcare seems like a bit of a own goal tbh.
ofc their goal is not to pay more, it’s to silence and harm people for standing up against the government, or for having some political opinions
The other reason is that some police units in charge of handling demonstrations like brutality, feeling powerful and harming people. They rarely get convicted because they can’t be identified, and even if they are, they’re pretty much only fired and don’t have any prison sentence
At first I suspected this was the French government demanding that 40% of the videos be made in europe using the French language.
Which is weird since I often don’t hear much spoken dialogue in most porn films other than fake moans and and orgasms. Also my focus tends to be elsewhere…
“AHHH oui oui très bien! Plus fort s’il te plaît”
Just hits different.
I’ll assume that “oui” is “yes”. The rest…umm…
“tres bien” is “very good”
“si vous plait” is like “please”
“plus fort” is like “more strength”
I’ve never studied or learned French, but you can pick up some of this stuff from “throwaway” French in other context and the etymology shared with other languages.
So, basically just the stock U.S. porn phrase translated to French.
I’d argue that “plus fort” would mean “harder” in this context but I’m not an expert
😏 this person knows
Agreed. I tend toward more literal translations for instruction/explanation – it made things stick better for me when learning Spanish. But, yes, in context “harder” is a definitely a more useful translation.
Stop with the classy French French! I want vulgar Canadian French.
“Ahh tabernack! T’es une vrai p’tite pute! T’fesse va ê’re plein de ma cum comme u’poutine!”
“Mais fuck you! Plus vite MAINTENANT… OUAI YEAH! COMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEE ÇÇÇÇÇAAAAA!!! Fuck me t’as une monstre cock!”
O.M.G
That would block me instantly but I would have a good laugh
Try searching for French maid.
this only means that americans dont know about proton vpn
im in california, browsing the internet using proton as i type this.
it could also mean that americans already use a vpn service.
Which they should
once again porn leads technology
wtf, france?
France underestimated the power of horny
Have you met the French? There’s a bunch of English sex words brought in from French! Most notably is ménage à trois, for a threesome. The smoking a cigarette after sex cliché is pretty French too.
Should be “plan à trois” I believe
I have no idea what is correct French, but the first phrase is the one that is used in English, I have never heard the second
Alright! I’m a French speaker and I’ve never heard “ménage à trois”. It could be correct, but that’s old language. I believe “plan à trois” is the new thing we say.
Good to know!
Steal language fragments AND butcher them, it’s the English way!
We retaliate by butchering English when speaking it :)
Is this international unity?
My understanding is that ménage à trois says the three are ‘living together’ with the sex being implied via innuendo, whereas plan à trois is more directly about the sex act itself.
You horny bastards
Peak French stupidity, this isn’t about protecting kids - it’s about building surveillance infrastructure. Back in 2024, critics already called this the foundation for a “Great Firewall of France”. Once you have the legal framework to block websites and force ISPs to implement monitoring, mission creep is inevitable.
The technical approach is laughably naive. They’re essentially creating a centralized system that could easily become a database of citizen sexual preferences. Even with their “double anonymity,” you’re still creating digital fingerprints and metadata trails.
Most importantly, it won’t work. Kids will just use VPNs - the same way adults are already doing. You’re not protecting anyone; you’re just pushing everyone toward circumvention tools while normalizing government control over what adults can access online.
It’s perfectly French because it combines maximum bureaucratic complexity with zero practical benefit, all while creating new opportunities for state overreach. Classic.
Amen
i think it should be a little harder for a child to watch anal prolapse fisting porn than “click yes if you’re of legal age”….
but… not a good excuse for creating a citizen surveillance database.
Fair point on the current system being theater, but here’s the thing - any centralized age verification system creates exactly the surveillance database you’re worried about.
The “harder than clicking yes” solutions all have the same fundamental flaw: they require collecting and storing sensitive data that becomes a honeypot for both state actors and bad actors. Upload your ID? Now there’s a database linking your identity to your viewing habits. Credit card verification? Same problem, plus you’re creating financial trails.
The technical reality is that determined kids will circumvent anything you put in place. We already saw this play out - VPN registrations exploded 1,000% in France within 30 minutes. You’re not actually protecting kids; you’re just normalizing data collection on adults while teaching every teenager in the country how to use Tor.
Better approach would be device-level parental controls that parents can configure without creating centralized databases. Let Apple, Google, Microsoft handle age verification through their existing account systems where the data stays local. That way you get actual protection without building the infrastructure for a surveillance state.
The French solution gives you the worst of both worlds - ineffective protection AND mass surveillance. Classic government efficiency.
that’s a lack of imagination….
just because i can’t think of a great solution doesn’t mean there isn’t one.
off the top of my head, here’s a system without a centralized surveillance database:
now the hard part is just explaining cryptographic signatures and hashes to people….
of course people could still give a kid a verified account, but at least it’s harder for them to access it, i don’t need perfection….
And now they want to keep doing the job of the parents and forbid “social network” to kids 15 and under.
I guess this bodes well for Proton becoming increasingly a Google One products replacement with more users potentially paying
hows proton?
I hate how VPN access is the scaffolding holding the building up making things look normal. You can visit all your normal web sites, you can bypass georestrictions, you can be a little less tracked than you might otherwise be. But what happens when they decide to do away with that scaffolding and we all find out they tore down the house behind it while we were enjoying “normalcy”. Too much of making the web functional depends on vpns and adblocking. We shouldn’t have to do this stuff and Chromes adblocking scandle should impact millions of users all around the world unilaterally removing adblocking from the web. I fear for the day we have a US only internet and a global internet, not just on paper, but in actual practice.
How about mullvad
Why not zoidberg?
I’m pretty satisfied as a subscriber. Slowly using proton mail for more and more important accounts. Constant usage of the VPN. Trying to use the calendar more but still haven’t broken my Google Calendar habits. Proton Drive I use over google; I just need a Linux desktop application. Proton pass, still haven’t given that a go. Comfortable with KeepassXC and managing the backups myself. Proton Docs, it’s OK. Solid start. Hoping that notes partnership/acquisition eventually replaces Google Keep for me as a cloud notes application. I have pretty strong confidence now in the company regardless of the slow Linux developments
Not sure where I got it form, but I have a Proton VPN client on Linux. It is pretty barebone, but it works.
Personally I just pay the 12,10$ for Bitwarden and use SimpleLogin aliasses together with that.
I just miss Microsoft Office on Linux, but that has nothing to do with Proton.
Don’t people realize there are hundreds of free porn video sites besides Pornhub? With bigger selection too because the lesser known sites usually don’t get half their content DMCAed.
Paying money for a VPN just to access ONE free porn site? Sigh. I really hate web 3.0