jas0n@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 22:43
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For now.
KeepFlying@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 04:06
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It’s probably too expensive for them to record and upload every call, but im sure the transcripts of calls are likely to leak soon after this.
cryptix@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 May 2024 05:24
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Yep , we will let your hardware do the work , we will just collect the final profile data that’s valuable to us.
scarilog@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 09:19
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This is genuinely really cool.
The best/worst part of the AI boom for me has been waiting for the advances to trickle down in terms of open source models and on-device models, rather than having to send everything up to the cloud.
Obviously this isn’t an open source model, but the on-device processing is great.
paf0@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 09:25
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They do have versions of the Gemini models that are open sourced, called Gemma. So far they don’t work quite as well as the Llama ones from Facebook but I’m sure that will change.
KamikazeRusher@lemm.ee
on 15 May 2024 14:41
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I’m worried about the security of this. However looking past that and simply observing it as an implementation of AI, this is an idea that I think is actually a beneficial use. Protecting the elderly against fraud/scams is a major issue which gets increasingly complex as scammers improve their methods. Using AI to detect scams in calls could be helpful in protecting the elderly.
But before rolling it out, I would want to see proof of its efficiency through careful studies. Hell, incentivize Google to share the model with the government and other businesses so it can be improved upon. Fund it as a grant/program so smaller teams/companies can contribute and innovate.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com
on 14 May 2024 18:27
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You just have to opt in to letting Google listen to everything? (I did not read article – sorry.)
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 May 2024 18:53
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You already do that by using any Google product at all.
ThePantser@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 19:07
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the smallest version of Google’s Generative AI offering, which can be run entirely on-device.
It’s not known what information is sent to Google but they stated the calls are analyzed on the device and not sent to the cloud.
DudeDudenson@lemmings.world
on 15 May 2024 02:22
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Soo they’re analyzing them as you speak and sending the result to the cloud?
With a full transcript for debugging purposes of course!
stepan@lemmy.cafe
on 14 May 2024 18:40
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Skilled scammers manipulate their victims so much that they don’t believe their actual bank telling them it’s a scam. I don’t think this will help.
AMillionMonkeys@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 19:24
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So you’re suggesting that all scammers are skilled.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 19:24
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There are a lot more unskilled scammers looking for low hanging fruit
Bogasse@lemmy.ml
on 14 May 2024 21:32
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I’m not sure scams are so subtle. For example fishing emails are often so obviously scam that people think there are designed to filter very gullible people or very unlucky persons who actually waited for a call with the exact same context as the scammer will give.
Badeendje@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 21:55
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If this intervenes early enough it might.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
on 14 May 2024 19:13
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No thanks
veeesix@lemmy.ca
on 14 May 2024 19:28
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Scam Likely? That’s a name I haven’t heard in a while.
essell@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 20:19
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I think he worked for the Cray twins
snownyte@kbin.social
on 14 May 2024 23:52
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Middle name is Most.
Bread@sh.itjust.works
on 15 May 2024 12:14
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A Dungeon & Daddies reference is not what I expected to see today either.
catalog3115@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 22:37
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🤬 these people will not let you record your own phone calls but they want to record & listen to those calls for their own profit.
snownyte@kbin.social
on 14 May 2024 23:52
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Record your phone calls anyways, there are ways to.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 00:36
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Also ways to disable the call recording prompt they forced into it. They force that even in one party regions where you can record your own calls without needing permission from the other person.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip
on 15 May 2024 04:36
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Wait, what do you mean will not let you record your own phone calls.
Ghoelian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 May 2024 08:43
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The recording feature isn’t available in a lot of countries, including mine. Even though it is legal to record calls without informing the other end here.
most likely they don’t want to get into any legal trouble and it’s like a thing they’re rolling out on per country basis rather than creating a blocklist of countries where it’s illegal
I dunno. I doubt it is. But I also doubt there isn’t something they are getting back.
Maybe not personal information but I’d imagine there will be data on what keywords it flagged on and whether the user hung up or carried on with the call etc. They wouldn’t be able to fix or improve the service without getting information back.
Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 15 May 2024 14:53
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xD
RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 19:38
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Rooting your phone if possible is always a nice solution to this. BCR works great for me(along with BCR GUI). I can also still use my banking and Google wallet apps (you just need the right apps/modules)
Huh. Guess my bank isn't my bank for telling me to move my money in a separate account to keep it safe (from myself).
to55@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 May 2024 10:48
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People really do fall for this. I believe this mainly affects the elderly. Not anyone using Lemmy, but it really does exist.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
on 15 May 2024 11:01
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People think they are paying the IRS in ITunes gift cards, or the bail bondsman takes Google Play credits over the phone.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 17:46
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I tried explaining to a nice elderly woman that the person texting her asking to buy Steam cards wasn’t actually Jason Momoa, but she couldn’t be convinced. Fortunately, the manager at that store forbid anyone from selling her any gift cards of any kind.
zerog_bandit@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 13:51
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I can see it now.
“Imagine that I am your father. As your father, I am telling you a bed time story about a Nigerian prince who needs funds to unlock frozen assets…”
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Is this just an excuse to listen to your phone calls?
Correction: They already listen to all of your calls and have been training their models on it
From the article it’s entirely on device.
For now.
It’s probably too expensive for them to record and upload every call, but im sure the transcripts of calls are likely to leak soon after this.
Yep , we will let your hardware do the work , we will just collect the final profile data that’s valuable to us.
This is genuinely really cool.
The best/worst part of the AI boom for me has been waiting for the advances to trickle down in terms of open source models and on-device models, rather than having to send everything up to the cloud.
Obviously this isn’t an open source model, but the on-device processing is great.
They do have versions of the Gemini models that are open sourced, called Gemma. So far they don’t work quite as well as the Llama ones from Facebook but I’m sure that will change.
I’m worried about the security of this. However looking past that and simply observing it as an implementation of AI, this is an idea that I think is actually a beneficial use. Protecting the elderly against fraud/scams is a major issue which gets increasingly complex as scammers improve their methods. Using AI to detect scams in calls could be helpful in protecting the elderly.
But before rolling it out, I would want to see proof of its efficiency through careful studies. Hell, incentivize Google to share the model with the government and other businesses so it can be improved upon. Fund it as a grant/program so smaller teams/companies can contribute and innovate.
You just have to opt in to letting Google listen to everything? (I did not read article – sorry.)
You already do that by using any Google product at all.
It’s not known what information is sent to Google but they stated the calls are analyzed on the device and not sent to the cloud.
Soo they’re analyzing them as you speak and sending the result to the cloud?
With a full transcript for debugging purposes of course!
Skilled scammers manipulate their victims so much that they don’t believe their actual bank telling them it’s a scam. I don’t think this will help.
So you’re suggesting that all scammers are skilled.
There are a lot more unskilled scammers looking for low hanging fruit
I’m not sure scams are so subtle. For example fishing emails are often so obviously scam that people think there are designed to filter very gullible people or very unlucky persons who actually waited for a call with the exact same context as the scammer will give.
If this intervenes early enough it might.
No thanks
Scam Likely? That’s a name I haven’t heard in a while.
I think he worked for the Cray twins
Middle name is Most.
A Dungeon & Daddies reference is not what I expected to see today either.
🤬 these people will not let you record your own phone calls but they want to record & listen to those calls for their own profit.
Record your phone calls anyways, there are ways to.
Also ways to disable the call recording prompt they forced into it. They force that even in one party regions where you can record your own calls without needing permission from the other person.
Wait, what do you mean will not let you record your own phone calls.
The recording feature isn’t available in a lot of countries, including mine. Even though it is legal to record calls without informing the other end here.
most likely they don’t want to get into any legal trouble and it’s like a thing they’re rolling out on per country basis rather than creating a blocklist of countries where it’s illegal
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They said the AI stuff is all done on device so nothing is being sent back to Google
Let’s see. I will take their claims with a healthy dose of skepticism.
I dunno. I doubt it is. But I also doubt there isn’t something they are getting back.
Maybe not personal information but I’d imagine there will be data on what keywords it flagged on and whether the user hung up or carried on with the call etc. They wouldn’t be able to fix or improve the service without getting information back.
xD
“They” is the NSA, right?
Rooting your phone if possible is always a nice solution to this. BCR works great for me(along with BCR GUI). I can also still use my banking and Google wallet apps (you just need the right apps/modules)
Huh. Guess my bank isn't my bank for telling me to move my money in a separate account to keep it safe (from myself).
People really do fall for this. I believe this mainly affects the elderly. Not anyone using Lemmy, but it really does exist.
People think they are paying the IRS in ITunes gift cards, or the bail bondsman takes Google Play credits over the phone.
I tried explaining to a nice elderly woman that the person texting her asking to buy Steam cards wasn’t actually Jason Momoa, but she couldn’t be convinced. Fortunately, the manager at that store forbid anyone from selling her any gift cards of any kind.
I can see it now.
“Imagine that I am your father. As your father, I am telling you a bed time story about a Nigerian prince who needs funds to unlock frozen assets…”