NASA's solar sail successfully spreads its wings in space (www.space.com)
from FenrirIII@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 03 Sep 2024 15:39
https://lemmy.world/post/19369094

cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/19354798

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Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works on 03 Sep 2024 16:56 next collapse

“The location of the spacecraft in its orbit is roughly two times the altitude of the International Space Station. If you were looking at the sail from above…”

Gotta level with you nasa, for most of us we’re going to be looking at things at that altitude from BELOW.

ieatpwns@lemmy.world on 03 Sep 2024 18:02 next collapse

NASA needs to check their altitude privilege

/s

shadowtofu@discuss.tchncs.de on 03 Sep 2024 19:44 collapse

You can check heavens above (adjust your location) to check when it will be visible for you.

Wait a second, it’s going to pass over my house in 5 minutes!

Edit: Shit, clouds!

Edit2: I was able to see it through a few gaps in the cloud cover!

Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works on 03 Sep 2024 21:25 next collapse

Wow. Suprised this is ground level visible. Cool that you saw it!

Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works on 03 Sep 2024 21:38 collapse

Fuck that’s cool. You lucky bastard.

MsPenguinette@lemmy.world on 03 Sep 2024 17:27 collapse

If photon hitting a surface can impart momentum, does generating photons also impart momentum? Like, if you put a solar powered laser pointer in space, would it move?

ch00f@lemmy.world on 03 Sep 2024 17:38 next collapse

Sure, but it would be less efficient than a sail, and since the incoming radiation would impart inertia on the solar panels, you would still be limited on where you could steer.

SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world on 03 Sep 2024 18:23 collapse

Sail absorbs power while also acting as a sail, and you can use the lasers to steer?

It would also be like steering a boat more or less no?

ch00f@lemmy.world on 04 Sep 2024 06:46 collapse

The solar sail reflects light instead of absorbing it so you get to double dip on photon momentum.

And sure, you can steer with the laser I suppose, but with that kind of super weak deltaV, you’re not going to be exactly doing donuts in the solar system.

Even the massive solar sail only imparts a super small amount of force. It’s only useful because it does so for free over a long period of time with no air resistance.

You’d be better off using a conventional thruster to do whatever steering you needed to do before letting the sail take over. It’s not like you need to steer around any obstacles.

whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works on 03 Sep 2024 18:44 next collapse

aww so people are pushed away from me because of my brightness and not because I’m dumb??

nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz on 03 Sep 2024 19:13 next collapse

Yes, it’s called radiation pressure by emmision

The formula for it is Irradiance^1 of the emission/speed of light.

1: irradiance is basically how much power per unit area is emmited by the object, it’s units are watt/m^2

As for the lasers thing, I’m not a 100% sure how effective that will be and TBH lasers are pretty complicated and I don’t really get them

OrganicMustard@lemmy.world on 03 Sep 2024 22:29 collapse

Yes, but that would be a lot less efficient. With a dielectric mirror you can get easily 99.9% of the maximum momentum gain from the light, while with a solar powered laser you would get for the emission the compounded efficiency of the solar panel + storage + laser, so way below 10%. So you would gain around 10 times more impulse from your solar panel absorbing light than from the actual laser.

The final momentum gain is a bit different as the maximum you can gain from a photon is double its momentum (because you can reflect it back with opposite direction).