zap12344@feddit.it
on 24 Jul 2024 05:21
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It’s in the article :
“Samsung’s Auto Blocker feature takes things a bit further.The feature, fully blocks the installation of apps from unauthorized sources, even if those sources were granted the REQUEST_INSTALL_PACKAGES permission.”
CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world
on 24 Jul 2024 05:27
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So this new update (assuming the update ads this too) i just got today should have killed my revanced apps?
zap12344@feddit.it
on 24 Jul 2024 05:29
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I don’t have a Samsung but I would imagine that this only blocks new installations and looks like that it can be easily disabled if you don’t want it
I really don’t mind that they hide the button to enable installs from .APK when they are being directly downloaded. It has been in my opinion very bad idea from the beginning that it shows that, it has enabled multiple malwares in android. Non-technical people should not have easy way to install things, even with big warnings, because people ignore warnings.
If google removes the ability to install non-store apps all together, then that day I will stop using Android.
pycorax@lemmy.world
on 24 Jul 2024 05:29
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I was prompted during the initial set up of my Fold 6 (Singapore SKU) on whether I wanted to enable it or not though and the option was disabled by default. So something doesn’t seem right here or maybe this is an American SKU only thing?
AlexanderESmith@social.alexanderesmith.com
on 24 Jul 2024 05:34
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They always did this. Tap two more buttons and allow.
BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com
on 24 Jul 2024 07:50
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I’m pretty sure the EU Commission will have something to say about this
LaggyKar@programming.dev
on 24 Jul 2024 08:23
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So you need to change two settings instead of one to side load. Seems rather pointless.
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 Jul 2024 15:30
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Big difference is that that one setting was shown to you with a button press when you tried to install an app. With this, you need to remember or make a screenshot of where you need to go, open the settings app and then go there and toggle it on. It’s just a lot more annoying to do and Samsung probably hopes that that will deter people from doing it.
filcuk@lemmy.zip
on 24 Jul 2024 16:10
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…Why? What’s the point? What do they possibly hope to achieve?
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 Jul 2024 16:16
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I would guess making their phones seem more secure because people get less malware. I still think it’s stupid tho.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Jul 2024 19:07
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That, or just pushing people to use their app store instead.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world
on 25 Jul 2024 08:54
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Which is a bit rich given that the Play store is 90% shitty, nefarious apps.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
on 25 Jul 2024 07:17
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Dark patterns work, they have the data.
See, the field of UI/UX design is very concerned with how to make the actions a user wants easier, how to streamline common actions and clearly communicate what each item does. To that end they’ve studied how apps get used with user interaction data. You can track with statistics whether cartain actions get taken more or less often with each change, and it’s very clear that the more numerous & obscure the steps are in between a user and a task, the fewer users will complete it.
Of course this doesn’t tell you what a user wants, only what they do. To understand what they want you need to couple this process with user reports and complaints to see where the pain points are. The UI has to balance how many steps an action takes with how cluttered the interface is. Some actions must be prioritised.
However, a company doesn’t need data to know what it wants users to do, and it’s a very simple step to take all this data and understanding and flip it on its head, to stop users doing what they want, and on average it makes a difference. It might not stop you, but it might stop your grandparents, or Dave from accounting. That’s the problem.
So the short answer is, they hope to reduce adoption of alternative app sources.
I know the EU is taking steps to make this sort of thing illegal, but it’s difficult to prove. I also got a letter from a consumer advocacy board in my country warning about dark patterns, so it seems like attention is starting to build on this issue.
Tenniswaffles@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 24 Jul 2024 22:15
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elucubra@sopuli.xyz
on 24 Jul 2024 08:39
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What’s the problem? you can disable it, and, for example, I don’t want my 80 yr old mother sideloading stuff. It’s not like Apple where you just CAN’T do stuff.
umbrella@lemmy.ml
on 24 Jul 2024 10:55
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she already can’t unless she specifically enables sideloading
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Jul 2024 19:08
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And that popup probably scares her away from doing it anyway.
isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de
on 24 Jul 2024 15:55
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the problem is the one we’re gonna have in a few years if nobody steps in now and does something
cough cough EU please
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
on 24 Jul 2024 08:53
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See, this is another thing broken in the current web. I made a usercss (Stylus) to normalize font size for certain elements and it works reasonably well. But on this site, it looks like this.
anyhow2503@lemmy.world
on 24 Jul 2024 09:02
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Maybe a fixed line-height?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
on 24 Jul 2024 09:05
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But my usercss enforces font-size: medium for <p> elements but this looks more like x-large. And it works well for 99% of pages.
JustARaccoon@lemmy.world
on 24 Jul 2024 11:33
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Font-size and line-height are different properties
smeeps@lemmy.mtate.me.uk
on 24 Jul 2024 10:26
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As a web dev we do try to accommodate userCSS for accessibility reasons but often font sizes are tuned to what they are for a reason. I’d guess there’s a line height issue here.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml
on 24 Jul 2024 10:38
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You mean that their font was customized to display a certain size, for whatever reason?
Pika@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Jul 2024 09:48
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wasn’t it always blocked by default? Google’s always given a scare alert on sideloading apps, is this just an additional popup or is it replacing the stock one. Seems rather pointless if a setting and a waste of developer’s resources if you ask me.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Jul 2024 12:57
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My phone randomly started quarantining basically every app that wasn’t from the play store after my last update, annoying as hell.
Pika@sh.itjust.works
on 24 Jul 2024 21:36
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That is super obnoxious, but I don’t think it was supposed to do that judging by the article it’s supposed to keep your existing settings it wasn’t supposed to be forced on
bdonvr@thelemmy.club
on 24 Jul 2024 10:46
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So does macOS, but as long as you can still enable it in settings eh, fine.
archchan@lemmy.ml
on 24 Jul 2024 11:13
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I really hate the term “side-loading.” We shouldn’t need a word for the normal way we’ve been installing apps for the past 40 years. If tomorrow Apple decided they were going to start only letting you visit web pages they approved of, we wouldn’t call some sort of alternating system that let you see the rest of the fucking internet “side-paging”. We’d instead call the whole thing bullshit.
Until some time ago, I always though that “side-loading” is something different. Since I first saw “side-loading” used in ADB, so I thought that it means using another system on the side to load and install software onto a target system.
So to me that seems fitting, but now it seems to be used differently. How is installing software using just one device “side-loading”. What side do they mean?
stephan262@lemmy.world
on 25 Jul 2024 08:35
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I’ve always took side-loading to mean installing from local storage, as opposed to downloading from remote storage. As far as I’m concerned downloading from a third party app store should not be treated as side-loading.
But to install from local storage, you first download or fetch a storage medium from a remote location with the file on it. There isn’t that much of a difference IMO.
I would not call it side-loading when I download a file and then install it on the same device. Because that is how it has always worked. I never before heard people describing downloading and executing a setup.exe as “side-loading”.
stephan262@lemmy.world
on 25 Jul 2024 09:36
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Fair points. I was mostly thinking of situations like downloading using a separate device, writing to a usb drive or SD card and installing via that. Downloading an installer and using it is just downloading without using an app store.
Brickardo@feddit.nl
on 24 Jul 2024 12:17
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What in the cock
divergency@scribe.disroot.org
on 24 Jul 2024 13:15
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One day they’ll start blocking/bricking users phones if they delete an app responsible for tracking users and people will find excuses anyways. Oh wait, they already do that, but people are still buying Samsung.
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All Android phones block side loading by default, do they not?
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It’s in the article : “Samsung’s Auto Blocker feature takes things a bit further.The feature, fully blocks the installation of apps from unauthorized sources, even if those sources were granted the
REQUEST_INSTALL_PACKAGESpermission.”So this new update (assuming the update ads this too) i just got today should have killed my revanced apps?
I don’t have a Samsung but I would imagine that this only blocks new installations and looks like that it can be easily disabled if you don’t want it
This is only for phones that come with One UI 6.1.1 by default and there's a page during OOBE setup with a toggle for this "feature".
An update to your existing phone will not turn on this block, it's only for new phones.
Ty, cleared it up right away.
Damn. Finished the paragraph before it and made the comment. Lol. Interesting. Seems redundant.
But it also shows you a button to go straight to the toggle that lets you enable it when you try to install an app
I really don’t mind that they hide the button to enable installs from .APK when they are being directly downloaded. It has been in my opinion very bad idea from the beginning that it shows that, it has enabled multiple malwares in android. Non-technical people should not have easy way to install things, even with big warnings, because people ignore warnings.
If google removes the ability to install non-store apps all together, then that day I will stop using Android.
I was prompted during the initial set up of my Fold 6 (Singapore SKU) on whether I wanted to enable it or not though and the option was disabled by default. So something doesn’t seem right here or maybe this is an American SKU only thing?
They always did this. Tap two more buttons and allow.
I’m pretty sure the EU Commission will have something to say about this
So you need to change two settings instead of one to side load. Seems rather pointless.
Big difference is that that one setting was shown to you with a button press when you tried to install an app. With this, you need to remember or make a screenshot of where you need to go, open the settings app and then go there and toggle it on. It’s just a lot more annoying to do and Samsung probably hopes that that will deter people from doing it.
…Why? What’s the point? What do they possibly hope to achieve?
I would guess making their phones seem more secure because people get less malware. I still think it’s stupid tho.
That, or just pushing people to use their app store instead.
Which is a bit rich given that the Play store is 90% shitty, nefarious apps.
Dark patterns work, they have the data.
See, the field of UI/UX design is very concerned with how to make the actions a user wants easier, how to streamline common actions and clearly communicate what each item does. To that end they’ve studied how apps get used with user interaction data. You can track with statistics whether cartain actions get taken more or less often with each change, and it’s very clear that the more numerous & obscure the steps are in between a user and a task, the fewer users will complete it.
Of course this doesn’t tell you what a user wants, only what they do. To understand what they want you need to couple this process with user reports and complaints to see where the pain points are. The UI has to balance how many steps an action takes with how cluttered the interface is. Some actions must be prioritised.
However, a company doesn’t need data to know what it wants users to do, and it’s a very simple step to take all this data and understanding and flip it on its head, to stop users doing what they want, and on average it makes a difference. It might not stop you, but it might stop your grandparents, or Dave from accounting. That’s the problem.
So the short answer is, they hope to reduce adoption of alternative app sources.
I know the EU is taking steps to make this sort of thing illegal, but it’s difficult to prove. I also got a letter from a consumer advocacy board in my country warning about dark patterns, so it seems like attention is starting to build on this issue.
Screenshot? What are you, a goldfish?
Just standard corporate dark patterns
What’s the problem? you can disable it, and, for example, I don’t want my 80 yr old mother sideloading stuff. It’s not like Apple where you just CAN’T do stuff.
she already can’t unless she specifically enables sideloading
And that popup probably scares her away from doing it anyway.
the problem is the one we’re gonna have in a few years if nobody steps in now and does something
cough cough EU please
See, this is another thing broken in the current web. I made a usercss (Stylus) to normalize font size for certain elements and it works reasonably well. But on this site, it looks like this.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/c7b6f0cf-30b4-461f-bbc9-99681788bc0c.png">
Anyone has a guess why, something with viewport or other meta tags?
Edit: fixed, they use a custom font with weird size settings. Looks like this now (with my normalize usercss).
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/4ce1864f-cdaf-4d9f-b22d-15a647bf5afe.png">
Maybe a fixed line-height?
But my usercss enforces font-size: medium for <p> elements but this looks more like x-large. And it works well for 99% of pages.
Font-size and line-height are different properties
As a web dev we do try to accommodate userCSS for accessibility reasons but often font sizes are tuned to what they are for a reason. I’d guess there’s a line height issue here.
You mean that their font was customized to display a certain size, for whatever reason?
Right,
browser.display.use_document_fonts = 0fixed it, lol.wasn’t it always blocked by default? Google’s always given a scare alert on sideloading apps, is this just an additional popup or is it replacing the stock one. Seems rather pointless if a setting and a waste of developer’s resources if you ask me.
My phone randomly started quarantining basically every app that wasn’t from the play store after my last update, annoying as hell.
That is super obnoxious, but I don’t think it was supposed to do that judging by the article it’s supposed to keep your existing settings it wasn’t supposed to be forced on
So does macOS, but as long as you can still enable it in settings eh, fine.
Source
Until some time ago, I always though that “side-loading” is something different. Since I first saw “side-loading” used in ADB, so I thought that it means using another system on the side to load and install software onto a target system.
So to me that seems fitting, but now it seems to be used differently. How is installing software using just one device “side-loading”. What side do they mean?
I’ve always took side-loading to mean installing from local storage, as opposed to downloading from remote storage. As far as I’m concerned downloading from a third party app store should not be treated as side-loading.
But to install from local storage, you first download or fetch a storage medium from a remote location with the file on it. There isn’t that much of a difference IMO.
I would not call it side-loading when I download a file and then install it on the same device. Because that is how it has always worked. I never before heard people describing downloading and executing a setup.exe as “side-loading”.
Fair points. I was mostly thinking of situations like downloading using a separate device, writing to a usb drive or SD card and installing via that. Downloading an installer and using it is just downloading without using an app store.
What in the cock
One day they’ll start blocking/bricking users phones if they delete an app responsible for tracking users and people will find excuses anyways. Oh wait, they already do that, but people are still buying Samsung.