Boeing, not Spirit, mis-installed piece that blew off Alaska MAX 9 jet, industry source says (www.seattletimes.com)
from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 04:00
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Boeing, not Spirit, mis-installed piece that blew off Alaska MAX 9 jet, industry source says::The piece that blew off an Alaska Airlines jet this month was removed and re-installed improperly by Boeing mechanics in Renton, according to a person familiar with the details of…

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[deleted] on 25 Jan 2024 04:21 next collapse

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Corngood@lemmy.ml on 25 Jan 2024 04:33 next collapse

They’re talking about Spirit AeroSystems, which I believe is an unrelated company that just coincidentally also happens to be terrible at what they do.

Bakachu@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 05:21 next collapse

I literally thought Spirit airlines too. Sometimes there’s partnerships where a segment might be operated by a smaller regional company so thought that was the case at first glance.

Frozengyro@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 05:34 collapse

Spirit actually has the newest fleet of planes.

mkwarman@lemmy.mkwarman.com on 25 Jan 2024 04:39 next collapse

Here is the actual source quoted in the article: leehamnews.com/…/unplanned-removal-installation-i…

ripcord@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 12:26 next collapse

OP’s article is really weird, too. It mentions “a source told the Seattle Times”, but…they didn’t. The Seattle Times was reporting on a purported whistleblower posting to a public forum (what you linked).

This site could have reported the same source. It’s like they only skimmed the article they’re regurgitating.

eRac@lemmings.world on 25 Jan 2024 12:47 next collapse

Also, the headline is completely wrong. The source claimed that a Spirit warranty team opted to go for a physically-impossible action and Boeing didn’t stop them.

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 25 Jan 2024 18:58 collapse

It mentions “a source told the Seattle Times”, but…they didn’t. The Seattle Times was reporting on a purported whistleblower posting to a public forum (what you linked).

I think there are two sources.

The fuselage panel that blew off an Alaska Airlines jet earlier this month was removed for repair then reinstalled improperly by Boeing mechanics on the Renton final assembly line, a person familiar with the details of the work told The Seattle Times.

Last week, a different person — an anonymous whistleblower who appears to have access to Boeing’s manufacturing records of the work done assembling the specific Alaska Airlines jet that suffered the blowout — on an aviation website separately provided many additional details about how the door plug came to be removed and then mis-installed.

Australis13@fedia.io on 25 Jan 2024 08:29 collapse

Thanks for that. A very interesting read; I am inclined to believe the author, given how they describe the failure of processes.

fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com on 25 Jan 2024 13:12 collapse

The entire comment from the potential whistleblower. Note for mods, this is a user generated comment from leehamnews.com/…/unplanned-removal-installation-i…, not original article content.

Current Boeing employee here – I will save you waiting two years for the NTSB report to come out and give it to you for free: the reason the door blew off is stated in black and white in Boeings own records. It is also very, very stupid and speaks volumes about the quality culture at certain portions of the business.

A couple of things to cover before we begin:

Q1) Why should we believe you? A) You shouldn’t, I’m some random throwaway account, do your own due diligence. Others who work at Boeing can verify what I say is true, but all I ask is you consider the following based on its own merits.

Q2) Why are you doing this? A) Because there are many cultures at Boeing, and while the executive culture may be throughly compromised since we were bought by McD, there are many other people who still push for a quality product with cutting edge design. My hope is that this is the wake up call that finally forces the Board to take decisive action, and remove the executives that are resisting the necessary cultural changes to return to a company that values safety and quality above schedule.

With that out of the way… why did the left hand (LH) mid-exit door plug blow off of the 737-9 registered as N704AL? Simple- as has been covered in a number of articles and videos across aviation channels, there are 4 bolts that prevent the mid-exit door plug from sliding up off of the door stop fittings that take the actual pressurization loads in flight, and these 4 bolts were not installed when Boeing delivered the airplane, our own records reflect this.

The mid-exit doors on a 737-9 of both the regular and plug variety come from Spirit already installed in what is supposed to be the final configuration and in the Renton factory, there is a job for the doors team to verify this “final” install and rigging meets drawing requirements. In a healthy production system, this would be a “belt and suspenders” sort of check, but the 737 production system is quite far from healthy, its a rambling, shambling, disaster waiting to happen. As a result, this check job that should find minimal defects has in the past 365 calendar days recorded 392 nonconforming findings on 737 mid fuselage door installations (so both actual doors for the high density configs, and plugs like the one that blew out). That is a hideously high and very alarming number, and if our quality system on 737 was healthy, it would have stopped the line and driven the issue back to supplier after the first few instances. Obviously, this did not happen. Now, on the incident aircraft this check job was completed on 31 August 2023, and did turn up discrepancies, but on the RH side door, not the LH that actually failed. I could blame the team for missing certain details, but given the enormous volume of defects they were already finding and fixing, it was inevitable something would slip through- and on the incident aircraft something did. I know what you are thinking at this point, but grab some popcorn because there is a plot twist coming up.

The next day on 1 September 2023 a different team (remember 737s flow through the factory quite quickly, 24 hours completely changes who is working on the plane) wrote up a finding for damaged and improperly installed rivets on the LH mid-exit door of the incident aircraft.

A brief aside to explain two of the record systems Boeing uses in production. The first is a program called CMES which stands for something boring and unimportant but what is important is that CMES is the sole authoritative repository for airplane build records (except on 787 which uses a different program). If a build record in CMES says something was built, inspected, and stamped in accordance with the drawing, then the airplane damn well better be per drawing. The second is a program called SAT, which also stands for something boring and unimportant but what is important is that SAT is not an authoritative records system, its a bullentin board where various things affecting the airplane build get posted about and updated with resolutions. You can think of it sort of like a idiots version of Slack or something. Wise readers will already be shuddering and wondering how many consultants were involved, because, yes SAT is a management visibilty tool. Like any good management visibilty tool, SAT can generate metrics, lots of metrics, and oh God do Boeing managers love their metrics. As a result, SAT postings are the primary topic of discussion at most daily status meetings, and the whole system is perceived as being extremely important despite, I reiterate,

Vilian@lemmy.ca on 25 Jan 2024 16:35 next collapse

holy shit, thanks for the writing

Thassodar@lemm.ee on 25 Jan 2024 16:36 next collapse

Have you sent this information anonymously to any journalistic entities? If you don’t this is just going to fade away until two years from now, like you said. On top of that if they have others reporting the same thing they’re more likely to go public.

nolefan33@sh.itjust.works on 25 Jan 2024 17:02 collapse

The linked URL at the top is The Seattle Times reporting on this comment. The original comment was just being reposted here for full context.

AnneBonny@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 25 Jan 2024 18:50 collapse