EndOfLine@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 05:55
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Not the first time people “bought” digital media only to have it taken away.
Physical media or local downloads is the way to go.
ABCDE@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 06:12
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Apple did it to apps I bought years ago, Microsoft has done it with Live Arcade games I can no longer redownload, and Nintendo closed their online stores to consoles they stopped supporting. The only store I can think of at the moment which doesn’t seem to fuck people is Steam (perhaps Epic but it’s too new to cast opinions on).
Zorque@kbin.social
on 03 Dec 2023 07:20
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Epic fucks people in other ways.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu
on 03 Dec 2023 10:12
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The only store I can think of at the moment which doesn’t seem to fuck people is Steam
ABCDE@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 10:25
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Square fucked people about there, making it impossible to play.
AceBonobo@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 12:01
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Not exactly Valve’s fault
“To be fair, with the servers shutdown, the game would have been impossible to play anyways. This isn’t simply because it’s an online-only game. In fact, Order of War: Challenge has 18 single-player missions as well. But due to always-online DRM, even the single-player portion of the game requires the servers to be up and running.”
mPony@kbin.social
on 03 Dec 2023 13:28
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I guess it's the Always-On DRM that's the issue. Best get rid of that entirely, or force developers to disclose IN LARGE PRINT if a game has it, like they did with parental warning stickers in the late 1980's. And I mean FORCE, as in "you can't be on Steam/whatever because you have unnecessary DRM"
I can still play World Of Goo any time I damn well choose because I paid for it and I own it and the developers were probably not inherently evil humans.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu
on 03 Dec 2023 13:36
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I can still play World Of Goo […] and the developers were probably not inherently evil humans.
Well, both creators of WoG are former EA employees, so…
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 04 Dec 2023 18:25
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Also, at the end of the article:
“Update: It appears that contrary to what I first believed, the single-player portion of the game—Order of War without the “Challenge”—is still available on Steam, and only the multi-player content has been removed.”
topperharlie@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 06:43
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I had to change my email/account with google and couldn’t port the apps in the gplay store. This was mostly due to having a google domains that did many years ago, but still didn’t get any solution when I explained that to the google customer service. It was clear to me that is not worth wasting a penny there.
Lemminary@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 07:34
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No DRM is the way to go, physical or digital. Some physical DRM can revoke the licence on the disk (like Blu-ray)
user224@lemmy.sdf.org
on 03 Dec 2023 09:16
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And don’t forget shit like Flexplay. The no-return rental DVD that self-destructs after ~48 hours. How ecological. Thankfully it was discontinued in 2011.
GONADS125@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 11:33
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Not to be confused with Flexi Disc, which was essentially a CD-sized vinyl record with a sample track, that used to be inserted into magazines. Especially big in russia.
The sound quality left a lot to be desired. He’s a very rare Slowdive track with a banging tempo that was only released on Flexi Disc.
PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks
on 03 Dec 2023 11:33
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GONADS125@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 19:04
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Thanks, fixed.
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 19:39
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How? It would need an internet connection to revoke it, and you can’t write to the Blu-ray disc can you? In other words, you could just turn off internet connection from the player?
LifeInOregon@lemmy.world
on 04 Dec 2023 20:41
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Blu-Ray discs can carry offline updates that blacklist other discs. All players must support these updates as part of licensing the technology. All your blu-rays may play today, but if an update comes along to revoke the license on a title and you play a disc that carries the update that enables that revocation, it won’t play back on your device. It’s occasionally been used to disable known pirated discs, and so far hasn’t been used on licensed materials, but “so far” is never much assurance.
PlexSheep@feddit.de
on 03 Dec 2023 11:57
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Welcome to data hoarding
KpntAutismus@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 22:07
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when 4TBs are 50-100€, you bet your ass i’m gonna host a jellyfin server for the entire family.
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 04 Dec 2023 16:22
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Aaahh Aaahh, the blood runs cold!
We take our loot but don’t get old!
pHr34kY@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 07:31
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Sony should invent a way for people to buy a movie, own it, and be able to store it on a shelf or something. Maybe we can even lend them to friends or start a library.
Lemminary@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 07:33
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What do you mean “lend”? They won’t buy it themselves?? Corporate blasphemy!
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 04 Dec 2023 16:22
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And to think the joke back in 2013 was that it was Microsoft who so fervently defended the right to “not allow people to sell, lend or share their games”, while Sony was just “With our console, you can”
b3an@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 07:56
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Something round and flat and blue. If only that technology existed 😩
LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 14:10
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You could even like, use a really high frequency of laser rays so that you can pack as much data on that blue disc! Maybe we could trademark this. I’ll call it High Definition DVD.
DarkThoughts@kbin.social
on 03 Dec 2023 14:28
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Thank fuck for Kazaa at the time.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com
on 05 Dec 2023 02:03
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Ok, but why would I want to store digital media on a shelf? IMHO not having physical media cluttering up my physical space is a big advantage of online purchases. That, and being able to acquire new stuff at any time, day or night, without even leaving home.
FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 12:16
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So they’re promoting piracy, because that’s how you promote piracy.
Betazed@lemmy.sdf.org
on 03 Dec 2023 17:27
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This is the unfortunate reality of current intellectual property. Anytime you don’t have a copy of something directly in your possession, either as a physical object like a BluRay, or digital file(s) on digital storage only you control, you don’t really own it. You’re just borrowing it, or more strictly speaking, you’re purchasing the right to access it until the agreement between the creator company (i.e., WarnerDiscovery) and the hosting company (i.e., Sony) expires.
When issues like this come up, there are right ways and wrong ways to handle it. This is an example of a wrong way. Google’s handling of the Stadia shutdown was an example of the right way. Any game you purchased on Stadia was refunded to the original payment method, not store credit, at the price you paid giving you the ability to reacquire the game on another platform and/or in another medium. They even refunded in-game purchases of things like premium currency (e.g. silver in Destiny 2, or crowns in Elder Scrolls Online) which was a great bonus because you got that whether you had spent the in-game currency or not so it was essentially free.
Personally, I’d like protection like what Google offered to be legally mandated for the purchase of streaming content. Sony has little choice in the matter if WarnerDiscovery won’t renew the streaming license. Legally, they must revoke access to the content, but currently they can choose to not compensate users who lose access to the content through these legal machinations and that’s what I have a problem with.
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 20:02
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This is as good of a time as any to tell you guys that future Oscar winning movie, Barbie, is now also available on Blu-Ray and DVD, physical copies that you’ll always have if you want to watch it again.
OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca
on 03 Dec 2023 21:59
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Blue ray only lasts 25-40 years on average. Just pirate it xD.
MargotRobbie@lemmy.world
on 03 Dec 2023 22:03
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Or… you could buy multiple copies of the Blu-Ray so that if one copy fails, you’ll always have backup Barbies at the ready.
No they’ll all fail at the same time 25 to 30 years in the future.
You need to buy multiple copies and place each one in a deep freeze, then thaw each one out as the previous one fails. It’s the only logical response.
skeeter_dave@sh.itjust.works
on 03 Dec 2023 22:23
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Hard disk drives will last even less. The lubrication will dry up and the disk will seize way before the 25 year mark.
Bluray is a fine back up media, I use them for stuff on my NAS that I cannot lose like precious pictures of family and friends. Not all of us live on am abandoned salt mine with perfect temperature and humidity for long term tape storage.
I don’t have an exact time span but personally I wouldn’t trust them as anything more than temporary device storage, they randomly die often
Cheap, low quality flash, poorer QC, etc
Smokeless7048@lemmy.world
on 04 Dec 2023 17:03
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and the quality of a 4k DVD is really high, much higher than the downloaded copy likely is!
LifeInOregon@lemmy.world
on 04 Dec 2023 20:35
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Blu-Ray discs can carry mandatory software updates that change the functionality of playback devices, add “protections” against “piracy”, and could potentially revoke licenses of content on other discs.
Media companies are prepared to screw you over regardless of wether or not you but content from them. I do believe in paying for content, but I don’t trust any modern distribution to last, so I have a couple backups of all the media I’ve ever purchased. And for formats that make it difficult to back up, I sail the seven seas.
I just discovered people pay series and shows on Playstation
urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 03 Dec 2023 23:20
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The people who do this aren’t technologically “literate”. I don’t like using that phrase because it sounds judgy. I work with people like this. Their main computing device is their smartphone.
If this sounds foolish, it’s not really. These people struggle to make rent due to low wages in the area, so a laptop is “nice to have” but not a necessity. They’re also too time-poor to grab a used laptop or something and figure out the best way to hook it up to their tv and get the content they want. Why bother, their play station/xbox/smart tv already has Netflix or whatever.
I tried showing someone NewPipe for their android phone and I thought they were going to call me a witch or something. They didn’t trust me, and installing fdroid seemed sketchy to them so they didn’t do it. I can’t say I blamed them honestly.
Sony is awful, people should be able to use things they pay for.
grayman@lemmy.world
on 04 Dec 2023 02:51
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I wouldn’t say tech illiterate so much as ignorant or they truly don’t care.
Unlimited plans and monthly financing means even a homeless person can get a really decent phone with great service. I’m surprised when I see anyone with more than a phone or tablet.
ISPs won’t even upgrade services is low income areas because no one buys internet service. They just don’t need it.
scottywh@lemmy.world
on 04 Dec 2023 18:00
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I’ve worked in IT for over 26 years, have my own Plex server in my home (that’s also connected directly to the TV in my living room via HDMI), and own and use several laptops.
Still, I’ve “bought” a number of movies from Microsoft largely thanks to the fact that I can sync them to multiple services using Movies Anywhere and because they were basically “free” to me because Microsoft kept giving me $5 gift cards randomly for a while there and I couldn’t think of anything better to use them on at the time.
I’d still be upset if they suddenly decided to yank those titles out of my library even though I don’t really rely on them as my only option to watch those films.
Ultraviolet@lemmy.world
on 04 Dec 2023 18:24
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This is actual theft. If they want to go on about piracy being theft, justify this first.
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Not the first time people “bought” digital media only to have it taken away.
Physical media or local downloads is the way to go.
Apple did it to apps I bought years ago, Microsoft has done it with Live Arcade games I can no longer redownload, and Nintendo closed their online stores to consoles they stopped supporting. The only store I can think of at the moment which doesn’t seem to fuck people is Steam (perhaps Epic but it’s too new to cast opinions on).
Epic fucks people in other ways.
About that…
Square fucked people about there, making it impossible to play.
Not exactly Valve’s fault
“To be fair, with the servers shutdown, the game would have been impossible to play anyways. This isn’t simply because it’s an online-only game. In fact, Order of War: Challenge has 18 single-player missions as well. But due to always-online DRM, even the single-player portion of the game requires the servers to be up and running.”
I guess it's the Always-On DRM that's the issue. Best get rid of that entirely, or force developers to disclose IN LARGE PRINT if a game has it, like they did with parental warning stickers in the late 1980's. And I mean FORCE, as in "you can't be on Steam/whatever because you have unnecessary DRM"
I can still play World Of Goo any time I damn well choose because I paid for it and I own it and the developers were probably not inherently evil humans.
Well, both creators of WoG are former EA employees, so…
.
Also, at the end of the article:
“Update: It appears that contrary to what I first believed, the single-player portion of the game—Order of War without the “Challenge”—is still available on Steam, and only the multi-player content has been removed.”
I had to change my email/account with google and couldn’t port the apps in the gplay store. This was mostly due to having a google domains that did many years ago, but still didn’t get any solution when I explained that to the google customer service. It was clear to me that is not worth wasting a penny there.
*coughs in pirate*
No DRM is the way to go, physical or digital. Some physical DRM can revoke the licence on the disk (like Blu-ray)
And don’t forget shit like Flexplay. The no-return rental DVD that self-destructs after ~48 hours. How ecological. Thankfully it was discontinued in 2011.
Not to be confused with Flexi Disc, which was essentially a CD-sized vinyl record with a sample track, that used to be inserted into magazines. Especially big in russia.
The sound quality left a lot to be desired. He’s a very rare Slowdive track with a banging tempo that was only released on Flexi Disc.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
He’s a very rare Slowdive track
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Warning: You left tracker in the YouTube link:
https://youtu.be/TyePtIPTfB4?si=GgCtvVl-npQWAAGMThis is just the video link: youtu.be/TyePtIPTfB4
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/TyePtIPTfB4
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Thanks, fixed.
How? It would need an internet connection to revoke it, and you can’t write to the Blu-ray disc can you? In other words, you could just turn off internet connection from the player?
Blu-Ray discs can carry offline updates that blacklist other discs. All players must support these updates as part of licensing the technology. All your blu-rays may play today, but if an update comes along to revoke the license on a title and you play a disc that carries the update that enables that revocation, it won’t play back on your device. It’s occasionally been used to disable known pirated discs, and so far hasn’t been used on licensed materials, but “so far” is never much assurance.
Welcome to data hoarding
when 4TBs are 50-100€, you bet your ass i’m gonna host a jellyfin server for the entire family.
Damn right you are
PS5 games are like 90 GB. A DVD ROM stores 4.7 GB.
Its over.
Bluray can store 128GB
I think you missed the “local downloads” part.
We dong use DVDs for games anymore that are physical they use blueray. A blueray xl disc can hold line 100gb
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Ahoy
Yo ho ho
Aaahh Aaahh, the blood runs cold!
We take our loot but don’t get old!
Sony should invent a way for people to buy a movie, own it, and be able to store it on a shelf or something. Maybe we can even lend them to friends or start a library.
What do you mean “lend”? They won’t buy it themselves?? Corporate blasphemy!
And to think the joke back in 2013 was that it was Microsoft who so fervently defended the right to “not allow people to sell, lend or share their games”, while Sony was just “With our console, you can”
Something round and flat and blue. If only that technology existed 😩
You could even like, use a really high frequency of laser rays so that you can pack as much data on that blue disc! Maybe we could trademark this. I’ll call it High Definition DVD.
I wasn’t expecting that HD DVD throwback. Cracked me up!
Wasn't it SME that constantly came up with the dumbest fucking DRM garbage on their CDs that made you unable to play them in regular media players?
Sometimes they also came up with literal malware as DRM.
…wikipedia.org/…/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit…
Thank fuck for Kazaa at the time.
Ok, but why would I want to store digital media on a shelf? IMHO not having physical media cluttering up my physical space is a big advantage of online purchases. That, and being able to acquire new stuff at any time, day or night, without even leaving home.
Well, I’d also take the option of just downloading it and keeping it on my hard drive.
Welcome to the world of tomorrow!
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Welcome to the world of tomorrow
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
So they’re promoting piracy, because that’s how you promote piracy.
This is the unfortunate reality of current intellectual property. Anytime you don’t have a copy of something directly in your possession, either as a physical object like a BluRay, or digital file(s) on digital storage only you control, you don’t really own it. You’re just borrowing it, or more strictly speaking, you’re purchasing the right to access it until the agreement between the creator company (i.e., WarnerDiscovery) and the hosting company (i.e., Sony) expires.
When issues like this come up, there are right ways and wrong ways to handle it. This is an example of a wrong way. Google’s handling of the Stadia shutdown was an example of the right way. Any game you purchased on Stadia was refunded to the original payment method, not store credit, at the price you paid giving you the ability to reacquire the game on another platform and/or in another medium. They even refunded in-game purchases of things like premium currency (e.g. silver in Destiny 2, or crowns in Elder Scrolls Online) which was a great bonus because you got that whether you had spent the in-game currency or not so it was essentially free.
Personally, I’d like protection like what Google offered to be legally mandated for the purchase of streaming content. Sony has little choice in the matter if WarnerDiscovery won’t renew the streaming license. Legally, they must revoke access to the content, but currently they can choose to not compensate users who lose access to the content through these legal machinations and that’s what I have a problem with.
This is as good of a time as any to tell you guys that future Oscar winning movie, Barbie, is now also available on Blu-Ray and DVD, physical copies that you’ll always have if you want to watch it again.
Blue ray only lasts 25-40 years on average. Just pirate it xD.
Or… you could buy multiple copies of the Blu-Ray so that if one copy fails, you’ll always have backup Barbies at the ready.
The physical discs degrade overtime. Getting 10 copies now won’t stop that, even if one might outlast another for a bit.
So I need 100 copies then?
It’s a start
What’s the half life of a Blu-Ray?
No they’ll all fail at the same time 25 to 30 years in the future.
You need to buy multiple copies and place each one in a deep freeze, then thaw each one out as the previous one fails. It’s the only logical response.
Hard disk drives will last even less. The lubrication will dry up and the disk will seize way before the 25 year mark.
Bluray is a fine back up media, I use them for stuff on my NAS that I cannot lose like precious pictures of family and friends. Not all of us live on am abandoned salt mine with perfect temperature and humidity for long term tape storage.
That’s what you have redundancies and backups
How long are SD and microSD cards expected to last? Asking because I have a dozen of them lying around
I don’t have an exact time span but personally I wouldn’t trust them as anything more than temporary device storage, they randomly die often
Cheap, low quality flash, poorer QC, etc
and the quality of a 4k DVD is really high, much higher than the downloaded copy likely is!
Blu-Ray discs can carry mandatory software updates that change the functionality of playback devices, add “protections” against “piracy”, and could potentially revoke licenses of content on other discs.
Media companies are prepared to screw you over regardless of wether or not you but content from them. I do believe in paying for content, but I don’t trust any modern distribution to last, so I have a couple backups of all the media I’ve ever purchased. And for formats that make it difficult to back up, I sail the seven seas.
I just discovered people pay series and shows on Playstation
The people who do this aren’t technologically “literate”. I don’t like using that phrase because it sounds judgy. I work with people like this. Their main computing device is their smartphone.
If this sounds foolish, it’s not really. These people struggle to make rent due to low wages in the area, so a laptop is “nice to have” but not a necessity. They’re also too time-poor to grab a used laptop or something and figure out the best way to hook it up to their tv and get the content they want. Why bother, their play station/xbox/smart tv already has Netflix or whatever.
I tried showing someone NewPipe for their android phone and I thought they were going to call me a witch or something. They didn’t trust me, and installing fdroid seemed sketchy to them so they didn’t do it. I can’t say I blamed them honestly.
Sony is awful, people should be able to use things they pay for.
I wouldn’t say tech illiterate so much as ignorant or they truly don’t care.
Unlimited plans and monthly financing means even a homeless person can get a really decent phone with great service. I’m surprised when I see anyone with more than a phone or tablet.
ISPs won’t even upgrade services is low income areas because no one buys internet service. They just don’t need it.
I’ve worked in IT for over 26 years, have my own Plex server in my home (that’s also connected directly to the TV in my living room via HDMI), and own and use several laptops.
Still, I’ve “bought” a number of movies from Microsoft largely thanks to the fact that I can sync them to multiple services using Movies Anywhere and because they were basically “free” to me because Microsoft kept giving me $5 gift cards randomly for a while there and I couldn’t think of anything better to use them on at the time.
I’d still be upset if they suddenly decided to yank those titles out of my library even though I don’t really rely on them as my only option to watch those films.
This is actual theft. If they want to go on about piracy being theft, justify this first.