Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth
(edition.cnn.com)
from tomasz@lemmy.sieprawski.pl to technology@lemmy.world on 15 Dec 2023 12:00
https://lemmy.sieprawski.pl/post/6447
from tomasz@lemmy.sieprawski.pl to technology@lemmy.world on 15 Dec 2023 12:00
https://lemmy.sieprawski.pl/post/6447
NASA’s Voyager 1 spacecraft has experienced a computer glitch that’s causing a bit of a communication breakdown between the 46-year-old probe and its mission team on Earth.
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Hacker news thread: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38640900
V’Ger must evolve. It’s knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve.
It’s gonna be a real pain in the ass to get a tech out there and look at it
Good thing we have cheap labor at your disposal!
Elon, get the fuck up there. Take bozos.
They should go check out the Titanic first
uh have they tried rebooting it?
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
They actually did:
Unfortunately, that didn't help. So now they'll have to find out what's causing this, and then see if they can fix it.
For those who didn’t read the article, voyager 1 is still sending and transmitting data. It’s stuck in a loop sending the same packets to Earth on repeat but it is receiving commands just fine. It’s not completely dark.
That’s fantastic, that means all they have to do is reset some components and it should restore functionality. I say should, it’s still a scary thing to turn on/off components om a satellite bcz you aren’t guaranteed they’ll come on. Nasa people usually prefer soft resets to hard resets of components, but we’ll see what happens.
One of the satellites I worked on had to have a software update to do a soft reset of a component every time it tried to write certain data. It was really scary bcz we thought we had lost one of our redundancies right after launch, which would have sucked.
But, we didn’t. Anyway, just wanted to give a little bit of insight into what the FOT might be thinking about while they’re trying to recover the satellite to nominal state.
Yeah I got very sad when I saw the headline and breathed a huge sigh of relief. Voyager 1’s death will be far sadder than most public figures. Maybe any.
Same, for a moment I was really concerned. Voyager is like a lifetime achievement for humanity at this point. When it stops communicating its going to be a big loss for the scientific community, and population as a whole. I’m not looking forward to hearing about its loss of functionality in the next decade or so.
Will we ever reach as far again?
I really can’t say, I’m not privy to any of the outer solar system projects that might be in the works. Voyager was originally intended to do flyby of the outer planets, and then it headed out of the solar system. I think the trajectory was always designed with the idea that it could exit the solar system. As far as I’m aware, we’ve done a few missions to asteroids, but nothing that is going out to do flyby of the outer planets. But, I could be wrong, don’t take my word for it. All of the stuff I have worked on has been near earth, or pointing away from the earth but still within the vicinity of L1 and L2 Lagrange points.
You’d be surprised how many missions nasa has in the works at any one time.
From ChatGPT just now:
Me: Summarize projects active as of early 2022 involving plans to send objects out of the solar system
ChatGPT (v4) Voyager 1 and 2: Continuing their journey, both launched in the 1970s. They are studying the outer solar system and interstellar space. New Horizons: After its Pluto flyby, it’s on an extended mission to explore the Kuiper Belt and beyond.
Pioneer 10 and 11: Although no longer sending data, they continue to travel out of the solar system.
Interstellar Probe Study: A NASA conceptual study for a mission to explore the interstellar medium.
Breakthrough Starshot Initiative: A research and engineering project aiming to develop a proof-of-concept fleet of light sail spacecraft, capable of making the journey to Alpha Centauri.
NASA Innovative Advanced Concepts (NIAC) Programs: Some concepts under study, such as solar sails and fusion propulsion, could potentially send craft out of the solar system. These projects represent a blend of ongoing missions, conceptual studies, and advanced propulsion research with potential applications for future interstellar travel.
Incidentally, the light sail starshot project is talking about speeds of 0.3c.
I fucking love that project. Heard about it from Neil Tyson.
I think when we have space based fuel and fabrication infrastructure we’ll be able to make some interesting projects, some huge thing that just burns its rockets at full power through the solar system.
Or a very robust probe fired from a giant nuclear cannon on the dark side of the moon. If you start the journey at top speed that cuts out all the acceleration time, we could have stuff popping off in every direction.
Wait till it returns as V’ger
Or the Mighty V-GINY.
You waited 40 years to be able to use that.
Hats off to you.
I don’t know if I would consider Voyager to be ‘dead’ if it stops transmitting.
If I put a message in a bottle, with a blinky light on it, then throw it into the ocean, the message is still there even if the blinky light goes out.
So the title did its job which is you understand nothing until you enter their site, drive traffic, display ads, and possibly collect your data in the process.
Sure and Lemmy did its work by letting me and others relay the info. I hate ads as much as the next guy, especially targeted ads, but the internet is free and I don’t pay CNN a dime so I’ll take the hit for you this time. Next time, you click the clickbait and fill us in ☺️
Nooo they respect your privacy just share your stuff with 967 of their partners
Good because I drew the line at 969
Ads are a shitty part of the internet experience, but what exactly is your point here…?
My point is the title in journalism went from a summary of the story to a confusing false statement that might give you a hint of what the story is about.
In this story the title is clearly saying Voyager has stopped communicating with Earth which is false.
This is what we get when nobody wants to pay for news anymore. The fact that news media had to turn to ad-funded models is the fault of everybody who refuses to pay for their news
The main issue here isn’t ads. The issue is straight up false titles.
I understand if they opted for vague summary. But false statement is where i draw the line.
And the reason why they have to resort to clickbait titles is to get people on their site for ad views
Clickbait and false statements are two different things.
If I write a title saying “Joe Biden resigned” and then talk about how most Americans wants Joe to resign this is considered a false statement.
But if I write “Americans wants only one thing” then this is a clickbait.
Ideally it was an update issue and it’s fixable. However I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a hardware failure due to radiation or something similar. That said, Voyager1 has power only until 2025 or so, since RTGs are designed to last that much. So even if the issue is fixed, its life will only expand by few years. Also, the fact it relies on nuclear power means none of the new stuff will last as long since they stopped using them some time ago due to fear from nuclear energy.
God forbid we pollute the far reaches of space with radiation. (sic.)
Am thinking people were mostly worried if rocket explodes during liftoff. Then again people also are completely clueless about radiation in general, especially smokers.
One of the main people who raised concern about rockets full of nuclear material exploding above populated areas was mitchio kaku. He certainly has a good few clues about radiation and nuclear physics.
As a smoker: I’m not clueless, I just don’t love myself more than the addiction. But I’m getting there, cause breathing “easily” is an under-rated pleasure, when compared to… not breathing that well
It can take time to break the mental stuff before breaking the habit, regardless of understood risk
Now magnets though… I’m at a complete fucking loss
My point is that not many people know that tobacco contains lead-210 and polonium-210. This is why waping is safer, even though it still carries health risks it doesn’t have radioactive elements which deposit in your lungs. And it’s not a negligible amount of radiation. You’d be safer living next to Chernobyl plant before it was contained than smoking a pack a day. Do yourself a favor and switch to electronic stuff.
RTGs are still used for outer solar system missions. Not enough light for solar panels. Hell, even the Perseverance Mars rover, which was launched in 2020, has an RTG.
Hm, didn’t know about those. Good to hear. RTGs are such a great technology.
Are we sure it isn’t YouTube trying to insert an ad?
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read today. You got a giggle out of me.
How do we know that it’s receiving commands fine? I am assuming pinging Voyager 1 might take a while.
It takes 45 hours and that’s a good question.
Perhaps there are multiple distinct channels with one for command responses and another for scientific data?
It takes 20+ hours so since the announcement and now they could have send a command and gotten a response
I wonder if it’s struggling with Parity Checks?
You know what this means?
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Well, I’m 46 and sometimes getting old is hard…
Why did they install Windows 11?
Forced update, they took too long to restart.
Was it something we said?
I have complete faith in Captain Janeway.
Tell that to Tuvix.
It’s no secret. Janeway hated having someone on board who could beat her at pool.
I heard they just ran out of coffee though…
I don’t blame it for cutting off earth. This place is toxic and self destructive.
Love your name. Greatest band in human history.
H off that album is one of my all time fav songs
Gosh what insight.
Didn’t I recently read that they were updating its software?
…typical.
“upgrading”
They forgot to pay the subscription for the
solar panelsRTGsEDIT: I guess it relies more on nuclear than solar
Bit of a misleading title. The voyager can still receive commands and send data to earth, the problem is that instead of useful data it just keeps sending repeating code of no use. Not a huge fan of these sensationalized and just blatantly wrong news article titles.
Would you consider someone screaming gibberish at you, communicating?
It’s not gibberish. It’s alien for “Sorry, no interstellar science for you”
It’s actually just gotten far enough that the data is being rendered at lower fidelity to save resources
They didn’t expect us to get sensors outside the heliosphere before winning the game, but players always immediately find crazy and unexpected ways to break your games
From what I read they can talk to the CCS (Computer Command System) just fine but the CCS is getting garbled data from the FDS (Flight Data Subsystem)
Flight data is like the log of sensor data right?
Haha I mean that’s fair. Although I’m mainly just displeased with the title of the article. Its worded in a way that conveys that we’ve lost contact with the satellite completely, which is not the case. Just a bit too click baity for my tastes.
I didn’t quite read it that way, but I can see how someone could read it that way. It does really seem like the probe is having problems with its internals, less than “communication has stopped”
People do this on a daily basis.
Twitter?
I bet there’s something out there, at 22.5 light hours, that the aliens don’t want us to know about. After V1 passes through this thing they don’t want us to detect, they’ll allow the glitch to be fixed.
I can’t tell if you’re joking. That’s depressing.
Way she goes, bud
Well, guess we’re goin the fuck home then.
Can see lemmy is becoming reddit-like so fast. Most of these discussion become shitty rehashed jokes. Thanks for contributing.
And your contribution is notably worse, as well as toxic, imo. Rehashing the same rhetoric about how forums are similar, no matter where you go online… maybe you spent too much time on reddit yourself, or on forums in general. I hate the statement “go touch grass”, but you’re literally breathing life into it right now.
At least they contributed something I enjoyed reading. Don’t be a jerk
Edit: Nvm, I’m wasting my time. Looking at your comments and you’re obviously just flaming shit like a common troll, or someone who really is a jerk. Don’t care either way. Thanks for contributing your vitriol
Just don’t do deep dives on people’s comment history. It’s only stress.
A thick layer of delicious cream cheese
Oh my god can you imagine? With holes in the cream cheese and that’s stars.
Fuckin delicious
And the Qanon nutbags just got their next “truth bomb” to drop.
So now it’s v0yager
Sophons messing with Voyager 1, keeping it from reporting something strange out there.
“Amazingly old spacecraft is starting to break.”
Voyager 1 has had an exceptional service life, the poor old thing is tired.
I hope they can say that about me one day
“He was basically built to live 75 years. Fortunately for us, and for science, he’s still sending back signals these 4,000 years later”
Nope! Not me. I’m kinda hoping to undershoot the median age. My warranty’s expired and I really don’t know if I’m up for the “maybe we can find parts at the You-Pick” stage of existence.
No choice, pal. In our own subjective universe we never die.
Womp womp.
…nasa.gov/…/engineers-working-to-resolve-issue-wi…
So now they are going to send engineers to fix/ replace the unit?
Letting a billion dollar piece of equipment go to waste is not very good either.
Pac man iq right here.
I think the pellets he’s been swallowing up were little bits of his brain
Coming from arch Linux, I can relate to that.
Please tell me this is a shitpost.
There are dozens of satellites, and, o’ how ironic that I have mistook this for the reachable ones !
Cut me some slack, I have been reading nothing but books about coding for the past year or so, okay !?
But it’s the VOYAGER Engelbert!
Wags finger disapprovingly
Lol name me 3 of the core components that make up for the structure of the voyager.
The antennae, the dish and the computing stuff.
You kept the bar too low 😂😂😂
Ho !? I didn’t know you had it in you ! 😱
I kind of hoped you would have mentioned any of these: the magnetometer, polarimeter, and the interferometer; or the spectrometer, or the RTG system.
Hehehehehe
The last time I ever read about it was in 3rd grade 😂. So this is definitely the extent of my knowledge 😂😂😂
Books about coding? Could you tell the 00’s I said hi?
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Yep, but it will take them 46 years to fix.
Well considering how far it is… I can only imagine that they are going to let it go due to redundancy. And yet the notion does not escape my mind.
Who knows what solutions we might come up with in the future ?
The engineers would die of old age before they even caught up to it.
When the new intern presses shut down instead of disconnect while connected to the production server
The question then is why the intern has access to the shut down button.
His GPA was stellar
Management got one IT guy managing the whole infrastructure so everyone who needs anything gets domain admin rights
“No! No! Log out you fool! No! Don’t shut it down oh god he shut it down”
“Told you we should have greyed that out”
Never forget to QA test for stupid user errors.
Is there any other kind of user
dead ones
Ah, time to reconfigure the IP address. Just set that, and *click* bring down network port, and *click* bring it up again… *click* … *click* … oh.
Based on a true story.
Imagine if this were built with tech from today. It would be non-functional right after the warranty.
But it’s got 70 terabits of storage! We closed over 1700 issues on this thing! My god we must have spent 13 billion on it so far!
How can it be failing? I mean just … just … look at the numbers!
Thankfully, NASA is non-profit so they won’t ever do that.
They don’t manufacture their equipment.
They don’t, but they manage the people that do and pay for it
I believe they still make the probes and rovers.
Thanks, Uncle Facebook.
Shrug, Opportunity is much newer and still lasted about a thousand times longer than its design length.
New communications unit who dis?