Anonymous: Trump is making America weaker and we’ll exploit it - News Cafe (www.news-cafe.eu)
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Anonymous: Trump is making America weaker and we’ll exploit it. The international hacker community is preparing to strike against U.S. infrastructure and calls for public awareness against incoming fascism

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otter@lemmy.ca on 09 Feb 2025 13:07 next collapse

Don’t need to open Twitter to watch it

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI27LEimfYg

I’m also remembering an IT crowd scene where they argue about which of them is in Anonymous, and I can’t find it now. Does anyone have a link handy? Unless I am misremembering

Jestzer@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 13:38 next collapse

I don’t know if this is the point you’re making, but IIRC, they are a disorganized group, so anybody can claim to be part of them.

otter@lemmy.ca on 09 Feb 2025 13:43 collapse

Yea I think that was the joke in that scene, but I can’t seem to find a clip of it

Jestzer@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 14:11 collapse

Gotcha, I honestly didn’t watch the video, so the joke is now on me.

sir_pronoun@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 14:53 collapse

…unless you’re pretending not to know, and you really are in… IT

Eldritch@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 16:10 collapse

It was the very final episode. Sort of a special. That wrapped up the series. Sometimes referred to as season 5. The name of the episode is the internet is coming.

Jackthelad@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 13:16 next collapse

Will it be like when they launched a load of DDoS attacks against Sony, of which the only impact was annoying regular people and doing nothing to the company they were supposedly going after?

MagicShel@lemmy.zip on 09 Feb 2025 13:52 next collapse

They have always been techno-punks: anti-establishment and more style than substance. That being said, if nothing else, they were able to shine a light on shitty people and that’s more than most folks do.

I wish they were getting into organizations and dumping gigs of documents detailing illegal and anti-consumer/citizen activities, but money and law enforcement really goes after anything with an actually impact that might affect wealth. No one actually gives a shit about a website being down. (Excepting like… Amazon or Google and good fucking luck with that.)

So it’s like a flaming bag of shit left on a porch. They take care of it and shout “you damn punks!” But if you burn the barn down, every cop in the county will be interrogating everyone they can find until you are caught.

finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 21:41 collapse

TBH it seems like the Furry community are more effective than Anonymous ever will be.

CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 03:08 collapse

Thats because anonymous as people actually think about existed for a few years and all the people that did big shit left or turned fed and since then it has been mostly people using the name to get recognition.

steal_your_face@lemmy.ml on 09 Feb 2025 17:53 collapse

You prob complain about protesters disrupting regular people too

RedSnt@feddit.dk on 10 Feb 2025 09:42 collapse

“Bloody Just Stop Oil protesters blocking the road, preventing me to go to work just so they can spread the message that we’re all going to die! I HAVE A MORTGAGE!”

Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 13:27 next collapse

They’re all talk and no bite. The world needs fsociety

Kusimulkku@lemm.ee on 09 Feb 2025 17:26 collapse

The world fsociety brought about was shit

Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 19:26 collapse

The final season they steal all of the money the ruling elites had been using to control the world, ending their grip on society.

Could also be argued that the dark army did the most evil shit and the government siding with the deus group rather than taking the side of the citizens is why things spiraled after wiping out the debt history of everyone.

Elon and the other people pulling the strings on society losing all their money would not be a bad thing for civilization at all

Kusimulkku@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 17:43 collapse

It’s partly due to fsociety actions that things ended like they did. I remember it being actually worse than how it was before

shoulderoforion@fedia.io on 09 Feb 2025 14:15 next collapse

Anonymous is going to attack the American people's infrastructure?

Freefall@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 06:52 collapse

No, they are going to talk a bunch then so nothing. It’s their whole thing.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 09 Feb 2025 14:48 next collapse

Well I hope they choose their targets right, otherwise it’ll just make everything worse.

BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 15:50 collapse

That’s kind of inevitable right now. The most important thing is making sure Trump and the GOP get the blame. Well, them or Russia.

Actually, the best targets aren’t the government. It’s big business.

rational_lib@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 15:56 next collapse

That’s gonna be a big ask. Republicans don’t even get the blame for the things they do themselves. Oligarch propaganda is everywhere and pernicious, look at how the average working class American has accepted the notion that low level bureaucrats are the reason they’re poor.

PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works on 09 Feb 2025 16:31 collapse

They’ll blame it on Obama, Hillary, Biden, communism, LGBTQ, Black people, immigrants, etc.

They never take the blame - there’s always an ‘other’ to demonize.

[deleted] on 09 Feb 2025 16:37 collapse

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PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works on 09 Feb 2025 16:50 next collapse

Very true and annoyed at myself for forgetting. Thanks for reminding me.

towelie@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 19:43 next collapse

Under facism dog whistles quickly become crimes

0x0@programming.dev on 10 Feb 2025 14:45 collapse

DEI

Donald, Eric and Ivana?

absquatulate@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 15:27 next collapse

Exploit it you say? Please get in line behind the russians, the chinese snd pretty much all arab countries

PanArab@lemm.ee on 09 Feb 2025 16:39 next collapse

What did we do? As if our governments aren’t US vassals? Yet you still demonize us. If Arab governments had any sway our governments wouldn’t be paying tributes and forced to normalize with Israel and host US troops.

The only foreign country that controls US politics and bought US politicians from both major parties is Israel. www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&…

kandoh@reddthat.com on 09 Feb 2025 16:47 next collapse

Next time a blonde haired blue eyed British man named Lawrence comes asking you to rebel against the Ottomans you’ll think twice, huh

PanArab@lemm.ee on 09 Feb 2025 16:50 collapse

There were legitimate grievances, but most Arabs did not rebel against the Ottomans. In fact many more died fighting for it. aljazeera.com/…/the-forgotten-arabs-of-gallipoli

Kusimulkku@lemm.ee on 09 Feb 2025 17:25 next collapse

Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt have been caught spying on the US (or US citizens) from what I know

PanArab@lemm.ee on 09 Feb 2025 18:04 next collapse

Saudi Arabia is allegedly spying on Saudis abroad including in the US. Specifically government critics on social media. Saudi Arabia allegedly spied on its citizens in the US through a network flaw

This is bad and probably violates US laws. But it wasn’t targeting the US or US citizens. Meanwhile, Israel is targeting the US and US citizens: Israel Has Long Spied on U.S., Say Officials

‘New NSA document highlights Israeli espionage in US’

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 09 Feb 2025 19:59 collapse

Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt have been caught spying on the US (or US citizens) from what I know

Dude, America has spied on even its allies. The bar is pretty low, here.

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 19:54 next collapse

The Saudis did not give the Jared billions for nothing. Just remember, the Saudis and Israelis told Bush to invade Iraq and next up is Iran with Putin’s Sock Puppet in charge. It will be a massive cluster fuck.

PanArab@lemm.ee on 09 Feb 2025 19:58 collapse

Leaders in the region fear that the US will turn their countries into another Iraq so they pay up. Don’t confuse tributes for bribes.

Saudi Arabia opposed the invasion of Iraq. It was Netanyahu that went to congress and sold the war to them.

Saudi Arabia’s Steadfast Opposition to the Invasion of Iraq

washingtonpost.com/…/iraq-saudi-arabia-saddam-hus…

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 20:07 collapse

Crap, I should have typed the 1st Gulf War and Bush Sr. You are correct about the 2nd invasion, the Saudis did not want Iraq fractured and the Shite’s gaining power through Iran.

PanArab@lemm.ee on 09 Feb 2025 20:29 collapse

In the first Gulf War it was out of necessity. Iraqi troops invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khafji

Even today, other than wealth, Saudi Arabia is a much smaller country than Iraq with half its population -Saudi Arabia’s population figures are inflated since over 40% are foreigners-. In 1991 Iraq was much stronger, and much more self sufficient, it could have taken Saudi Arabia in days if it weren’t for the coalition forces.

Venator@lemmy.nz on 09 Feb 2025 21:20 collapse

-Saudi Arabia’s population figures are inflated since over 40% are foreigners-.

That’s not inflated, they’re still part of the population…

dubyakay@lemmy.ca on 10 Feb 2025 03:33 collapse

Maybe they don’t count temporary residents like students and foreign worker permit holders?

Also can they likely can’t be drafted / join their army?

Venator@lemmy.nz on 10 Feb 2025 04:50 collapse

Also can they likely can’t be drafted / join their army?

Yeah I guess they wouldn’t be given dog tags or a gun etc, they’d just be given a shovel or similar 😅

finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 21:39 next collapse

You say that as if Iran hasn’t been financing uprisings, Turkey isn’t openly affectionate with multiple opposing world powers, and as if Afghanistan didn’t fall into chaos literally as the USA were leaving.

comfy@lemmy.ml on 11 Feb 2025 00:17 collapse

Iran, for one example, is a prolific cybersecurity adversary of the USA. One of the top four advesaries alongside China, North Korea and Russia. In fact, Iran is believed to be responsible for disclosing a CIA covert channel to China which led to a critical dismantling of CIA assets. I don’t know as much about other Arab states because Iran is most famous for its advanced cyber-warfare capabilities, but honestly, to avoid exploiting the USA would be very foolish.

Obviously this goes both ways. Israel and the USA are infamous for Stuxnet, a computer virus which reportedly destroyed a fifth of Iran’s nuclear centrifuges in the early 2000s.

PanArab@lemm.ee on 11 Feb 2025 00:21 collapse

I just want to confirm that you know that Iranians are not Arabs. Linguistically they are closer to Europeans and Indians.

comfy@lemmy.ml on 11 Feb 2025 00:57 collapse

Sorry, you are correct. I assumed the person you replied to was talking about the whole Middle East region and didn’t think twice for posting.

blattrules@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 17:47 next collapse

Don’t forget the billionaires too.

rottingleaf@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 20:02 next collapse

Yes, that’s how exploiting works in those videos.

finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 21:37 collapse

What makes you think Anonymous isn’t filled with the russians, chinese, and pretty much all arab countries?

humanspiral@lemmy.ca on 10 Feb 2025 02:01 collapse

If it’s not card carrying white republicans hacking America, we’re going to have a problem with it.

finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 02:37 collapse

What?

miscellanii@lemm.ee on 09 Feb 2025 15:38 next collapse

If they actually gave a shit about spreading awareness, they’d find a way to get that video on Fox News, OANN, etc

lonerangers1@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 16:48 collapse

V for vendetta shit

Korkki@lemmy.ml on 09 Feb 2025 15:50 next collapse

“America is becoming fascist” makes me cringe.

It cannon become something that it has been for a long time. US was fascist under Clinton, Bush, Obama, first Trump admin, Biden and it keeps on the same track now. It’s less than useless rallying cry when US foreing policy alone in the past 70 years is a realworld example of the thought experiment of “what would have happened if nazi-germany had won WW2”. Genocide, war, coup, and dictatorship galore committed by the United States, especially after the 80s.

In the end what this narrative is about is that precarious middle class liberals fear that even more of the practices that US has been spreading around the world are now coming home and now the US government will gut it’s own people instead of some foreigners. Even this isn’t unprecedented and at worst Trump can only make things worse for some, but for many what they fear is already reality.

Makes me really think if this “Anonymous cell” has any real grass-roots basis or if it’s just the same coup-mongers hiding behind thin leftist veneer to just jump against Trump, who they see as destructive loose cannon to their operations, not as an real opponent. Nothing new for Anonymous name being used in this way btw. Where were they under Biden?

Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 09 Feb 2025 16:19 next collapse

Don’t bother with this troll. They are a fake account made a day ago to rile decent.

PanArab@lemm.ee on 09 Feb 2025 16:41 collapse

To the indigenous people, the US has always been fascist.

don@lemm.ee on 09 Feb 2025 16:22 next collapse

Anonymous is bored again? Oh, okay.

AA5B@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 16:26 next collapse

Exploit it? The EU thinks they can exploit the chaos? What are they going to do, give us universal health care, a strong safety net, consumer protections, renewable energy and TRAINNNNNNSSSSSSS? (Please, oh please)

wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 09 Feb 2025 16:51 next collapse

Anything supposedly said by “Anonymous” as a hacker group should always be treated with immense skepticism.

There do exist somewhat legitimate sub-factions that actually take serious actions and do serious ops, and also semi-legitimate “outlets” for their statements… but there’s also an overwhelming amount of smokescreen bullshit “anon news outlets” and little script kiddies running around. It’s important/intentional that those continue existing as smoke screen for the more “serious” factions.

Beyond that, being an anonymous group with no real methods of confirming membership to outsiders (insiders can just check if you’re in the private IRCs and etc) it means that just about anyone and everyone can make some big declaration like this. The proof will be in the results, not some announcement that could be made by a rando.


All that said, there’s convincing and considerable evidence (collected by Krebs) that members of Elon’s DOGE group have background in the actual hacking ops spaces.

No matter who is really making these threats/warnings, I think things are going to get pretty dire in the US government IT space. It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs have absolutely abysmal cyber security, and now you have a bunch of young adult tech-bros with no true accountability running roughshod over all of it. Then there’s the fact that more than one of them have “serious black hat hacker” backgrounds.

Going to be one wild ride.

MagicShel@lemmy.zip on 09 Feb 2025 18:30 next collapse

I don’t know about government overall, but the military and HHS have has some of the most stringent security stances I’ve encountered. To the point where just working for them was a massive chore. (How effective they were I guess I don’t know, but working for them sucked.)

That said, I’ll take what you said on faith, because I think you’re spot on with everything else.

ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml on 09 Feb 2025 19:33 next collapse

That said, I’ll take what you said on faith, because I think you’re spot on with everything else.

I mean, it’s not a secret that governments everywhere run really outdated software (think things like Windows 7 and older) because “it works”, so it really shouldn’t be too surprising.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 20:09 next collapse

I had to help the SSA implement SAML authentication once and they weren’t even allowed to share their screen so I could see what they were doing. Totally agree that it’s a massive chore.

ikidd@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 20:14 next collapse

Often, ridiculous and onerous procedural security is hiding massively incompetent actual software security or is used to constrain people from discovering security by obscurity holes. Everything I’ve done in government interfacing as a vendor would seem to confirm this, at least back when I was doing it a few years ago. You’d be hard pressed to convince me it’s changed much since.

MutilationWave@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 20:26 collapse

I once answered a phone call inside a com closet on base. Military IT was already escorting me. Security came because the cameras in the closet detected the camera on my phone. It’s definitely physically tight security.

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 09 Feb 2025 19:58 next collapse

It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs

I’ve seen Muni and Regional gov and also dotcoms.

The Govs I’ve been at were crazy-tight about security. They were unionized and could decide based on conscience vs costs. Dotcoms, though, followed a different trending, one that really focused on costs.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 20:06 next collapse

little script kiddies running around

Yeah, they’re running around the Treasury Dept right now.

It’s been well known for decades that most government orgs have absolutely abysmal cyber security

Having worked with government agencies and a lot of large private organizations the thing that keeps them mostly secure is the amount of red tape involved with things. Patching a production system requires a teleconference with at least five different people and no one person knows everything.

The idiots without any security experience coming in to “streamline” things will just make the systems even more fragile and insecure.

horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 02:55 collapse

Known and vetted systems are always the most secure. Until RSA is broken, and then they’ll need to update to a quantum resilient standard. Which we’ve had in the wild for 6 years already and the NIST has officially approved for 2 years.

We’re still at least a decade away from a machine with enough qbits to do it. So i feel like we should be fine.

It’s the fucking Credit Bureaus, Telecoms, and Energy Companies I worry about. They keep fucking up.

nist.gov/…/nist-announces-first-four-quantum-resi…

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 03:08 collapse

Anyone who complies with the NIST standards is in a good place.

The problem is that a lot of places are not in compliance with NIST standards.

I know, I’ve helped patch them.

horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 03:35 collapse

Yep, but we’ve got at least a decade to do it, and when new systems are stood up they “should” be in compliance.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 04:44 collapse

Based on my experience if we say it needs done in a decade it will never be done.

See also: All the unemployment systems running on FORTRAN

horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 19:18 collapse

FORTRAN could be said to be security through obscurity though /s

reksas@sopuli.xyz on 09 Feb 2025 22:14 next collapse

I guess its pointless to believe their words since there is no way to know if its them. Just look at what they actually do and judge based on that.

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 10 Feb 2025 03:28 next collapse

Yeah. I’ve only spent a few moments skimming through the linked article but if you were part of a legitimate hacktivism group planning a significant operation why would you publish this statement ?

It’s really just spooky hyperbole - as though written by an adolescent that want’s to sound scary and powerful.

I would absolutely love to see hacktivists cause some chaos, and maybe even some real financial harm.

shasta@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 13:11 collapse

The whole point is to being attention to the rise of fascism. Hacking without releasing a statement like this is just terrorism. Releasing a statement after hacking can make it easier for the govt to cover up, like “no we weren’t hacked, someone in our server room just accidentally tripped over a power cable”

comfy@lemmy.ml on 11 Feb 2025 00:21 collapse

There do exist somewhat legitimate sub-factions that actually take serious actions and do serious ops

Any examples or sources for me to learn more about these? The only Anonymous news I’ve heard of since the early days is updates on Kirtaner.

Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 17:58 next collapse

So, they are going to hurt innocent people to save the innocent people?

How exactly does this help us? Why attack infrastructure we need to survive? So many other targets I feel would have better results.

[deleted] on 09 Feb 2025 19:45 next collapse

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ubergeek@lemmy.today on 09 Feb 2025 20:07 collapse

That’s how you win asymmetric warfare.

Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 21:09 collapse

I really have no idea, I don’t study warfare, usually avoid such things lol

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 09 Feb 2025 19:40 next collapse

As much and as little that anonymous means, because of the name, because of what the name implies, because of what they do, claim they do, and well, we don’t know what they do… As much as all of that is true, it’s AWESOME to hear from them again, if it is them…

I can’t wait to see “real” anonymous actions again, lord knows we can use it

LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 21:37 next collapse

I wanna see some more fax spamming.

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Feb 2025 03:32 next collapse

Lol what even is a “real Anonymous”

Its like “Antifa”, its not an organization, its an idea.

spicehoarder@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 03:35 collapse

Genuine question, was it ever anything more than a bunch of 4chaners and script kiddies?

AidsKitty@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 19:52 next collapse

If you’re an American praising potential harm to America you should reexamine why you continue being a citizen here. If there are other countries more aligned with your personal morals and values please seek citizenship there.

H0rrorgasm@lemmynsfw.com on 09 Feb 2025 20:05 next collapse

Sure, lemme know where you’re dropping the case of cash at so I can afford to GTFO.

ubergeek@lemmy.today on 09 Feb 2025 20:07 next collapse

I am, because this government has decided the US constitution just doesn’t matter, and now, we have literal nazis running the government.

I stand by my people, not the government oppressing them.

NotForYourStereo@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 20:10 next collapse

The harm is already here, idiot.

That’s why there’s a traitorous felon squatting in the White House.

Darkhoof@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 20:25 next collapse

Tell that to the people that occurred to place the orange turd in the White House.

Allonzee@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 03:23 collapse

Sorry, you’re stuck with hoards of people our economy has made too poor to get citizenship elsewhere. Shitty country run by selfish oligarchs. 🤷

AidsKitty@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 03:36 collapse

Our country hasn’t “made them too poor for citizenship elsewhere” as millions still walk hundreds to thousands of miles to get here. Still more opportunity in the USA than anywhere else. Sure we live under an oligarchy but honestly who doesn’t?

Gammelfisch@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 19:54 next collapse

Hit the Government of Putin where it hurts.

meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works on 09 Feb 2025 22:19 next collapse

Ah, Anonymous—the digital equivalent of a fart in a hurricane. Trump’s America? Weakness isn’t new—it’s baked into the propaganda circus we’ve called democracy since Reagan. You think script kiddies and Elon’s crypto-bros “hacking fascism” will fix anything? Please. The real op is watching tech oligarchs and politicians collude while we argue about which flavor of dystopia we’re slurping.

Infrastructure attacks? Bold move, Cotton. Let’s see how it works out when grandma’s dialysis machine gets bricked by some edgelord’s Python script. If you want revolution, stop fetishizing IRC nostalgia and touch grass. Until then, this is just digital graffiti on a burning trash barge.

veniasilente@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 02:24 next collapse

Are you okay?

nomy@lemmy.zip on 10 Feb 2025 02:58 collapse

What a pointless thought-terminating comment.

Do you have any actual critiques or just lame regurgitated snark to try to win imaginary points?

Saledovil@sh.itjust.works on 10 Feb 2025 21:29 collapse

Well, meowmeowbeanz has a good point, namely, Anonymous saying anything is meaningless. Because Anonymous is a not a group, at best it could be called a movement, at worst it’s just a name. In any case, anybody can claim to speak for them. Hence their statements are meaningless.

However, meowmeowbeanz’s post is also a barely coherent rant with overused emphasis. Which makes them seem mentally unwell. It’s like encountering somebody with a tinfoil hat ranting about how the earth is round.

meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works on 11 Feb 2025 02:58 collapse

Anonymous isn’t meaningless; it’s amorphous, which is the whole point. It’s not a movement or a name—it’s a void anyone can step into, wielding chaos as a weapon. That terrifies institutions built on predictability. Sure, it’s messy, but dismissing it outright ignores its potential to disrupt systems that thrive on control.

The emphasis wasn’t overused; it was deliberate. The propaganda circus? Real. Tech oligarchs colluding with politicians? Also real. If calling that out feels unhinged, maybe it’s because the world is unhinged, and pretending otherwise is the real insanity. Tinfoil hats? No. Just tired of people mistaking cynicism for clarity while the trash barge burns.

If that makes me sound mentally unwell, fine. At least I’m awake enough to notice the fire.

PS: tag me next time with @ so I can see your reply, almost missed it!

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 10 Feb 2025 03:22 collapse

I’m not going to write off hacktivism so quickly.

Even if it’s just a few defaced websites now and then, that’s a whole lot more effective than any other sort of activism I’ve seen to date.

meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works on 10 Feb 2025 08:35 next collapse

Oh, sure, let’s romanticize hacktivism, the digital equivalent of spray-painting a slogan on a collapsing wall. A few defaced websites? That’s your bar for effectiveness? The oligarchs aren’t losing sleep over a 404 page; they’re too busy consolidating power while you cheer for digital vandalism like it’s the French Revolution.

Real change doesn’t come from poking at the system with a keyboard and hoping it flinches. If anything, these stunts just give them more excuses to tighten the noose—more surveillance, more control.

You want to fight the machine? Build something better. Organize. Create infrastructure that can’t be co-opted. Until then, hacktivism is just a tantrum dressed up as resistance.

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 10 Feb 2025 08:52 collapse

Settle down mate.

I didn’t say defaced websites are going to take down the government.

My implication was that it would be more effective than ranting on social media.

meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works on 10 Feb 2025 09:50 collapse

Settle down? Sure, but let’s not settle for mediocrity. If your metric for effectiveness is being slightly better than social media rants, you’ve already lost the plot. Hacktivism that doesn’t disrupt the system in a meaningful way is just noise—an aesthetic rebellion that the system shrugs off or, worse, absorbs.

You want to be effective? Stop playing into their hands with token gestures. Build tools, networks, and alternatives that outlast their control. Otherwise, you’re just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic while calling it progress.

Defacing websites might feel cathartic, but it’s not revolution—it’s a distraction.

WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today on 10 Feb 2025 11:05 collapse

Do I sense a fellow collapsnic here? Ah, exiled brother!

wuphysics87@lemmy.ml on 10 Feb 2025 08:54 collapse

Even a god king bleeds

FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 23:08 next collapse

Oh wow. They’ll shut down a website for a day.

Whoop-tee-doo.

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world on 09 Feb 2025 23:20 next collapse

It’ll take 40 years to fix the damage he’ll do in 4.

IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Feb 2025 03:26 next collapse

I don’t think 4 years of accelerated climate damage is gonna be fixed in 40 years…

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 03:59 collapse

That assumes that we have a party interested in fixing anything.

liv@lemmy.nz on 10 Feb 2025 12:32 collapse

President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho will be interested.

ArtVandelay@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 23:18 collapse

At least he found the smartest person on the planet and immediately put him in charge.

liv@lemmy.nz on 11 Feb 2025 08:33 collapse

Ikr. Doing that with the richest man instead does not seem to have the same effect.

veniasilente@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 02:25 next collapse

By all means do. It’s not like much of value is lost at this point.

St0ner@lemmy.wtf on 10 Feb 2025 03:12 next collapse

hack the planet

NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 03:43 next collapse

Tomorrow

Trump: By executive order, I dismantle the computer warfare and defence division

Musk: It doesn’t exist anymore!

The day after

Anonymous: They turned off their service that sanitized all inputs. We just stole everything from every department, and put cats on every governments webpage.

ArtVandelay@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 23:17 collapse

“The government had both server and client side validation, which is totally wasteful and inefficient! I removed both and may the best one win!”

Elmo, DOGE

HawlSera@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 04:03 next collapse

Do it, attack America’s life points directly.

Randelung@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 11:17 collapse

No, my Blue Eyes White Aryan!

Ozymati@lemmy.nz on 10 Feb 2025 05:07 next collapse

Can they do something useful like destroy the debt infrastructure and delete all student loans and medical bills?

Freefall@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 06:45 next collapse

Anonymous tends to not do useful things. They just talk a lot.

nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Feb 2025 07:47 next collapse

mostly they are spending hours scrolling through social media accounts of certain types of people looking for dox materials. that’s really about it

andros_rex@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 11:30 collapse

“Anonymous” isn’t like a formal group. The entire point is that anyone can say that they are anonymous. So yeah, people talk a lot. You can do whatever you like as anonymous.

Randelung@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 11:15 next collapse

I’m sure backups and redundancies are “inefficient” since “everything is in the cloud, anyway”.

buddascrayon@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 11:56 next collapse

A more useful thing would be to do as much damage to Twitter as possible. In fact, why they haven’t attacked Twitter while Musk has been disarming all of its safety protocols is fucking beyond me.

Juice@midwest.social on 10 Feb 2025 16:25 collapse

Attacking twitter would be more useful than deleting all debt? I mean go wild, take that shit ass site down but if you had a “delete twitter” button and a “delete all debt” button, mashing the second one would make you the greatest hero who ever lived.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 10 Feb 2025 19:51 next collapse

Debt is monitored/store by many different companies

Even if you took down all data of x health insurance company it would still exist in other places

So I would say that it poses a bigger challenge and you would have to do it at roughly the same time

Juice@midwest.social on 10 Feb 2025 21:35 collapse

Sure. Yeah its very hypothetical and silly. As if the Banks that manage national and international money supplies, since most of their managed assets are debt, haven’t thought of it? So no such button exists, whereas there might be a delete twitter button somewhere or one could be rigged up 👀

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 20:22 collapse

You’re right, What if they publish cheat codes for all Steam games, thus freeing humanity from corporate exploitation???!!!

Juice@midwest.social on 10 Feb 2025 21:35 collapse

Is such a utopia possible?

LovableSidekick@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 22:53 collapse

If enough freedom fighters have the guts to post enough memes, there’s no limit to what we can achieve.

potustheplant@feddit.nl on 10 Feb 2025 13:00 collapse

Spoiler

You’ve been watching too much Mr. Robot.

Petter1@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 23:11 collapse

Tap for spoiler

Or fight club

Fedizen@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 05:17 next collapse

This is kinda what trump wants. If the government cant handle “online stuff” they can pitch privatization. It hurts more if tech megacorps get hacked. Though at this point I wou’d laugh if a bunch of internet nerds got the nuclear codes or locked up a bunch of satellites

bufalo1973@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 11:40 next collapse

Imagine if one nuclear head was pointed to every megacorp headquarters in the US.

Cyber@feddit.uk on 10 Feb 2025 12:46 next collapse

Don’t point at the HQs, point at their mansions / golf courses / private islands

Fedizen@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 17:32 collapse

Ceo residences would do better. Force them all to live in the office hellscape they created.

zalgotext@sh.itjust.works on 10 Feb 2025 16:35 collapse

If the government cant handle “online stuff” they can pitch privatization.

It kind of already is privatized. Most of the government’s cyber security efforts are handled by defense contractors.

IMongoose@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2025 03:16 collapse

CISA actually monitored Internet traffic and would contact government entities (local, schools, universities, etc) when they were being attacked. I went to a talk once where they said they usually had response times in minutes, and it would take longer to figure out who they needed to alert and convince them that it was real. Now that CISA is gutted I would expect more and worse breaches in the future.

nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 10 Feb 2025 06:29 next collapse

yeah ddos a website with your low orbit ion canons. that’ll teach them for sure. q0wned. thank you

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 08:54 next collapse

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Hackworth@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 20:50 collapse

My final semester in American Sign Language was “Sex, Drugs, and Profanity,” and most of the signs are just exactly what you’d guess. (I held on to those textbooks.) Plus, facial expressions are a big part of the grammar of the language. I don’t recognize this scene, but assuming it’s from a comedy - it’s probably also not far off from accurate.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 20:54 collapse

It’s from the 1982 film Airplane 2: the Sequel. Nowhere near as funny as the original, but still very funny.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ9xuvyGiBY

TypicalHog@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 12:22 next collapse

I’m all for attacking infra - we need to make this shit more resilient and we need to transition to memory-safe langs like Rust. This will hopefully accelerate it. Also, I lol at people saying Trump/Elon/Doge will destroy the US when in reality - these kinds of people who wanna attack it probably have way better chances to do so.

addie@feddit.uk on 10 Feb 2025 12:49 collapse

Memory safety is just a small part of infrastructure resilience. Rust doesn’t protect you from phishing attacks. Rust doesn’t protect you from weak passwords. Rust doesn’t protect you from network misconfiguration. (For that matter, Rust doesn’t protect you from some group of twenty-year old assholes installing their own servers inside your network, like you say.) Protecting your estate is not just about a programming language.

“Infrastructure”, to me, suggests power, water, oil and food, more than some random website. For US infra, I’m thinking a lot of Allen-Bradley programmable logic controllers, but probably a lot of Siemens and Mitsubishi stuff as well - things like these: rockwellautomation.com/…/programmable-controllers….

Historically, the controllers for industrial infrastructure (from a single pumping station to critical electrical distribution) have been on their own separate networks, and so things like secure passwords and infrastructure updates haven’t been a priority. Some of these things have been running untouched for decades; thousands of people will have used the (often shared) credentials, which are very rarely updated or changed. The recent change is to demand more visibility and interaction; every SCADA (the main control computer used for interactive plant control) that you bring onto the public internet so that you can see what it’s up to in a central hub, the more opportunity you have to mess up the network security and allow undesirables in.

PLCs tend to be coded up in “ladder logic” and compiled to device-specific assembly language. It isn’t a programming environment where C has made any inroads over the decades; I very much doubt there’s a Rust compiler for some random microcontroller, and “supported by manufacturer” is critical for these industries.

anon_8675309@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 15:56 next collapse

Take my upvote!!!

TypicalHog@lemm.ee on 11 Feb 2025 00:52 collapse

All of this is true, but we will eventually have to migrate to Rust. Will probably take decades tho. Rust is absolutely not a silver bullet, but will help in certain cases.

WhatSay@slrpnk.net on 10 Feb 2025 15:16 next collapse

Hacker fashion tip: while wearing your guy fox mask, match it with a Luigi hat.

Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 19:38 collapse

The Guy Faux mask is so 2005.

IndustryStandard@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 20:21 collapse

This guy fawks

Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de on 10 Feb 2025 23:52 collapse

I don’t know if you guys are on purpose but it’s Fawkes. It would be amazing if three people really had different spellings of the same Guy…

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 11 Feb 2025 01:09 next collapse

Whoooooossshh

Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de on 12 Feb 05:28 collapse

It’s not a whoosh if you mention the possibility of them trolling

jecxjo@midwest.social on 11 Feb 2025 02:45 collapse

I think the guy you’re thinking of Fox Mulder

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 16:25 next collapse

Just brush the Funyun crumbs off of your shirt before starting.

WrenFeathers@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 19:26 next collapse

Aren’t they kind of notorious for empty promises?

semperverus@lemmy.world on 10 Feb 2025 20:28 next collapse

Its more of a chaos entity. Because anyone can be a part of it with literally no steps other than saying “I am Anonymous”, anyone can say or do anything. As a result, one person or group may claim Anonymous while doing a legitimate hack, while another person who is just a script kiddie won’t ever actually do anything and you get this hot and cold, will they won’t they effect as a result.

Petter1@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 23:10 next collapse

Getting attention is a big part of it

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2025 02:55 collapse

Sounds like ISIS. Lots of people claiming to be members.

Letsdothis@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 15:37 collapse

The actual anonymous group gets things done.

How easy is it to say Anonymous said this or that? Very.

I expect this highly political, left leaning anonymous isn’t real. It’s such BS…

WrenFeathers@lemmy.world on 13 Feb 03:55 collapse

Agreed.

AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 21:43 next collapse

Then do it

HurlingDurling@lemm.ee on 10 Feb 2025 22:42 next collapse

Anonymous, if you are going to do it, PLEASE make sure to leave the innocent people alone and go after the rich assholes that are doing this.

Other than that, here’s my axe, go wild

Ascend910@lemmy.ml on 11 Feb 2025 01:19 next collapse

Here is my 4 laptops, loaded up loic, give me ip, we roll

xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 11 Feb 2025 01:39 collapse

slow loris was a lot better that loic… i heard…

Ascend910@lemmy.ml on 12 Feb 2025 01:43 collapse

full name of loris?

xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Feb 19:35 collapse

huh? github.com/0xc0d/Slow-Loris

i’d assume it doesn’t work anymore….

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2025 02:56 next collapse

Go vandalize Tom Tillis’ website. That’ll be your first test.

www.tillis.senate.gov

the_q@lemm.ee on 11 Feb 2025 04:34 collapse

No one is innocent here.

drascus@sh.itjust.works on 11 Feb 2025 01:39 next collapse

I will believe it when I see it this is likely just talk.

SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world on 11 Feb 2025 02:54 next collapse

This calls for a futile and stupid gesture on someone’s part.

Objection@lemmy.ml on 11 Feb 2025 04:27 next collapse

Anytime I see something about “Anonymous” I just assume it’s some kind of fed psyop until proven otherwise.

Soulg@sh.itjust.works on 11 Feb 2025 06:04 collapse

So you’ll go to your grave believing it because all the proof in the world will just be fake news

[deleted] on 11 Feb 2025 06:37 next collapse

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Objection@lemmy.ml on 11 Feb 2025 06:39 collapse

In this case? Yeah, probably. If there was proof of their identity they would no longer be anonymous, would they?

It’s a much more reasonable assumption than how your lot assumes anyone who disagrees with you for any reason is a Russian bot, and can’t be convinced by any amount of proof otherwise.

Soulg@sh.itjust.works on 11 Feb 2025 15:25 collapse

I mean at least you’re leaning into the conservative conspiracy hole instead of pretending you’re not in it, so bonus points for honesty.

I’ve also never accused random posters of being Russian trolls/bots, so fewer points for that.

Objection@lemmy.ml on 11 Feb 2025 16:07 collapse

Lmao, “conservative conspiracy hole.” I guess “being suspicious of anonymous sources” makes me a conservative conspiracy theorist, somehow 🤣

This is just basic critical thinking lol.

Soulg@sh.itjust.works on 11 Feb 2025 16:23 collapse

“This thing I don’t understand is a government psyop and I will refuse to believe any evidence to the contrary”

That’s literally Maga 101 you can’t be surprised I called a spade a spade. Plus I just happe to know you’re already conservative from your other posts so it’s just more evidence to back it up.

Objection@lemmy.ml on 11 Feb 2025 16:28 collapse

This thing I don’t understand

What don’t I understand about it?

I will refuse to believe any evidence to the contrary

There is no evidence to the contrary. The only way there could be would be if they got caught.

Plus I just happe to know you’re already conservative from your other posts so it’s just more evidence to back it up.

Lmao of course you do.

As I always say, “If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.” Please cite any evidence at all that I’m conservative.

I apologize for my mistake earlier, when I said my suspicions about Anonymous were more reasonable than your belief that I’m a Russian bot, what I should’ve said is that they’re more reasonable than your baseless and unfalsifiable belief that I’m secretly a conservative. Huge difference.

Letsdothis@lemmy.world on 12 Feb 15:32 collapse

Lol this is hilarious. I don’t know which “anonymous” they spoke to, but it definitely wasn’t the actual subversionist hackers that know how to do shit.