Apple Argued Safari Is Three Different Browsers to Avoid Regulation (www.macrumors.com)
from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 04:00
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Apple Argued Safari Is Three Different Browsers to Avoid Regulation::Apple recently claimed that Safari is three different browsers in effort to avoid regulation in the European Union (via The Register). The claim…

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just_another_person@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 04:17 next collapse

Of course they did. Microsoft tried this in the 90’s with Internet Explorer, Outlook, and Explorer. Sure, it does three different things, but it’s the SAME THING.

lolcatnip@reddthat.com on 05 Nov 2023 17:47 collapse

Those are actually different things and always have been. I don’t know what point you think you’re making.

just_another_person@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 17:55 next collapse

You should be a lawyer.

Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works on 05 Nov 2023 18:43 collapse

Do you actually not understand how a web browser, a file manager and a email application are considerably different compared to Safari on iOS, macOS and iPad OS

just_another_person@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 19:21 collapse

Do you not understand that those were all the same thing in Windows? Context is key. Everything at that time was built on IE. It was the mail client, the file browser, and the web browser at the same time. Hell, if you dig into the registry on Win 11 you’ll still see references to ‘Internet Explorer’.

vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org on 06 Nov 2023 11:01 collapse

That’s false again.

privatizetwiddle@lemmy.sdf.org on 06 Nov 2023 08:20 collapse

I think the reference was to IE4 for Windows 95 and 98, which did in fact run the desktop and file manager functions with IE to enable web functionality. You could type a URL into the file manager path bar and use it as a web browser or use a web page as your desktop, IIRC.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_4

wanderingWhale@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 04:47 next collapse

Apple bullshittery again

sfgifz@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 05:21 next collapse

On example cited by Apple is Safari’s sidebar feature on iPadOS and macOS, allowing users to see opened tabs, tab groups, bookmarks, and browsing history. Since this feature is unavailable in the version of Safari for iOS, Apple claimed that it is a distinctly different browser.

😂

lolcatnip@reddthat.com on 05 Nov 2023 17:46 next collapse

So they’re also claiming iOS on an iPhone and iOS on an iPad are separate products? In for a penny, in for a pound, I guess.

Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works on 05 Nov 2023 18:41 collapse

They did rename it to iPad OS, so yes

TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id on 05 Nov 2023 19:29 collapse

Wow, then even chrome can claim that they don’t support Extension ok Mobile thus it’s different product. Big Brain Time from apple.

Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 05:25 next collapse

  • Safari
  • Safari Pro
  • Safari Pro Max
acow@programming.dev on 05 Nov 2023 05:47 next collapse

“Are you getting it? These are three separate browsers.” - Anonymous

Wootz@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 08:20 next collapse

“The European Commission went on to point out that Safari’s functionality and underlying technologies are near-identical across platforms. The Commission even highlights Apple’s own marketing materials for its Continuity feature, which appear to contradict the company’s claims, touting the tag line “Same Safari. Different device.” As a result, the Commission rejected Apple’s claim and insists that “Safari qualifies as a single web browser, irrespective of the device through which that service is accessed.””

Chef’s Kiss

Governments and stately instances so rarely have a proper grasp of technology. This is beautiful.

danielfgom@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 08:36 next collapse

So much for “we care about your privacy”

We all know that was BS but the isheep sadly believe it.

nix@merv.news on 05 Nov 2023 09:00 collapse

What does this have to do with privacy

danielfgom@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 16:09 collapse

They are trying to avoid regulation. That’s super dodgy. They are trying to hide something. Since it’s related to a browser, data collection must be what they want to regulate, and what Apple is trying to hide…

Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 17:59 collapse

You’re overthinking it.

Having 25% of the mobile browser market, and being more than half of the US mobile browser market means:

  • Apple can force companies like Google to pay tens of billions a year to be the default search engine.
  • Apple can force companies to ensure that their products are built and QA’ed with Apple’s platforms in mind. This was something Apple struggled with before the iPhone. Many Mac users will remember the days when certain websites and platforms simply didn’t work unless you were using IE for Windows.

It’s a play for partnership cash and, because Apple has always been a control freak, insurance that experiences on their platforms are right.

Edit: One more massive thing, but I can’t believe I forgot. Apples hold over the browser market means they can strong arm the industry into adopting Web standards that Apple wants.

tabular@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 11:05 next collapse

Apple claimed repairing your Mac with 3rd party parts turns it into a PC so you can’t resell it as a Mac.

MonkderZweite@feddit.ch on 05 Nov 2023 11:56 next collapse

Ah, there’s where all the creativity went to.

remer@lemmy.world on 05 Nov 2023 19:10 next collapse

Apple needs to allow non-webkit browsers on iOS.

The_Cunt_of_Monte_Cristo@lemmy.world on 06 Nov 2023 08:46 collapse

So iOS can be full of Chromium based browsers.

itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 06 Nov 2023 08:56 collapse

let’s be honest, most people will still use safari. Just let people use Firefox, damn it

adam_b@infosec.pub on 06 Nov 2023 13:48 collapse

So, Firefox on iOS is just a skin ?!

itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 06 Nov 2023 13:55 collapse

yep, everything on iOS uses WebKit

adam_b@infosec.pub on 06 Nov 2023 15:55 collapse

How does WebKit compare to other rendering engines in terms of security ? Is it any better than gecko for example

itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 06 Nov 2023 19:02 collapse

I’m not sure if there are any major difference, but one consequence is that addons (mainly uBlock origin) don’t work on WebKit Firefox

some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org on 06 Nov 2023 15:12 collapse

I’m a big fan of Apple’s products, but this is some serious bullshit. Fuck off.