Yeah if I’m quick enough getting my shoes off so we’re all together, I can go through the metal detector with my wife and kid since they almost always let the kid and parents use that over the mmWave machine.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works
on 14 Apr 00:28
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IDGAF. I’d get buck naked at TSA if needed, just don’t fucking touch me. I don’t have a problem being naked but I really don’t like strange dudes getting up in my business.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world
on 13 Apr 05:36
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And get rid of the pornoscanners.
Domestically in the USA you can skip those if you have TSA Pre/Global Entry. You only have to walk through a metal detector with those.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
on 13 Apr 04:40
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Sounds appealing only because from a security standpoint we’ve unfortunately already given up any semblance of privacy at the airport. I’m so pessimistic about the air travel experience that I’m confident some evil bastard will somehow still figure out how to make this painful.
sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works
on 13 Apr 04:52
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A spokesperson for Amadeus told The i Paper that this type of technology was already available for travel to the Dutch Caribbean island of Curaçao.
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 13 Apr 05:25
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I mean.. too late? Face recognition has been part of biometric passport security for years now.
If anything my first flag for this is that about 50% of the time I try it I end up having to call over a security person because it tends to flake out a bunch. I've had better luck recently, so maybe it's ready now?
This becoming an app may be the logical next step, but I do think there's some value to carrying a physical copy of the biometric data with you. If we're not losing the paper passport I don't see why I'd need to double up on recognition software. If you're already matching my face to my passport and my boarding pass is also matched to my passport it sure seems like we already have all the pieces in place for this without wasting more money on more contractors and giving them more of our data to store.
I’ve seen this during boarding in the UK and US so far. Both times it was like a self service section at a grocery store- errors half the time holding up people and the gate agents having to fix the issue, scan themselves, or best of all, just go “yeah go ahead” without scanning anything.
Hopefully it will improve in time.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
on 13 Apr 07:11
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It is giving false ideas.
As we can see here in the comments, people understand it as security. But it is only a method for identification.
It cannot tell you who carries the knife. Even if it’s connected to the databases of three letter agencies (or worse), it can only produce suspicion. Which is false, most times, and helps only the ones who sell surveillance tech.
And even for identification it is less reliable than people like to think.
it was a pleasing experience till they installed turnstiles with qr codes and a hundred cameras in every station.
i still refuse to install the app and print my ticket instead (after putting a white box on the ad included in the pdf ticket) but i’m sure whatever they develop for planes will also be used in train stations :/
In America you can refuse to have your biometrics scanned still. This is true for coming into and out internationally. Just politely say no. They cannot force you to scan your face. I always refuse.
I believe it. They disavow that they take any recordings of us before we approach but, while I’m not a suspicious person, I am suspicious of TSA and HLS. Heads up they’re going to start scanning our faces at physical border crossings in cars now too. We have the same right to refuse as citizens but you know how good that is if you’re dealing with a crooked agent.
Masks help when approaching but obviously not a cure all when you have to move it to be identified by card
yeah it fuckin sucks. you dont need to believe it or not, I swear to you (it also happened to my wife, Im a US citizen and she isn’t) this was in the dublin ireland departures when you go to the states. you actually go through immigration when youre still in ireland. so you go down an escalator to a specific part of the airport thats sectioned off from the rest for this. walking up to the desk, before i had a chance to take my passport out of my bag, while I was still about 10 feet away, he TSA agent said “hello [name]” they did the same thing to my wife. its disarming as youre not expecting it. there’s no knowing where in the line the facial recognition already took place. the idea you can consent/not consent is almost certainly purely theater.
SaltSong@startrek.website
on 14 Apr 00:20
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I’m old enough to remember them promising, repeatedly, that the nude scanners didn’t, couldn’t save images.
Joke’s on them though. They can’t delete my pictures far enough to avoid the trauma.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 13 Apr 22:33
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Nah, they’re just really efficient at looking up social media accounts…
The only reason why US agencies have my fingerprint and biometrics is because of visa and TWIC applications. I still prefer doing things the analog way when entering.
Being a foreigner crossing the border is annoying enough, even if I’m the “right” skin color entering legally. No need to have a shitty AI conclude “daymn he ugly” and deport me on a whim.
weariedfae@sh.itjust.works
on 13 Apr 14:53
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I’m not getting how this is any different from regular photo ID. The article mentions how it would be stored on the passengers phone but that’s just E-ID, which is also far from new. Is this just some random company trying to advertise their system for automated ID checks?
It seems like it is a private company contracted by DHS to roll this out, and that is where I have an issue. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think biometrics is the best route, but I absolutely do not trust a 3rd party random corp to have and securely store all of my sensitive biometrics, not do I trust them to not sell it for an additional revenue stream. Same reason why that company Clear was kinda bullshit, and how it was cost effective to have agents “selling” you on the service at the airport.
Clear was kinda bullshit, and how it was cost effective to have agents “selling” you on the service at the airport.
Is bullshit. They’re expanding it. I was in the Orlando airport a few months ago waiting in the long ass TSA lines while Clear employees went to everyone in line offering a free trial and “you don’t have to wait in this line.” It’s fucking insane that the government can create these delays with the TSA and then goad people into signing up for an expensive service with a private company to bypass the very problem that they created. Says a lot about the “security” too when you can just skip it by ponying up a little bit of cash.
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Okay, but when are they gonna replace the
sexual molestationpatdowns?And get rid of the pornoscanners.
What airport is scanning people having sex?
None, people are just weirded out by the millimeter wave scanners. They think the workers get to see their genitals.
The workers were able to see your genitals, they just claim that they don’t now but we have no real evidence to confirm that.
Yeah, they replaced them with a green checkmark or whatever I think, but someone in the back room can still see the raws.
true
I’ll let them take a picture over getting the, “It’s not gay if it’s TSA” uncle touchy treatment though
Yeah if I’m quick enough getting my shoes off so we’re all together, I can go through the metal detector with my wife and kid since they almost always let the kid and parents use that over the mmWave machine.
IDGAF. I’d get buck naked at TSA if needed, just don’t fucking touch me. I don’t have a problem being naked but I really don’t like strange dudes getting up in my business.
Domestically in the USA you can skip those if you have TSA Pre/Global Entry. You only have to walk through a metal detector with those.
Unless you get randomly selected to
Even in that case you can opt-out and take a pat down instead. So in every situation you can avoid the pornoscanner, if you so desire.
And I think you can request to get felt up instead of digitally undressed. It’s up to you which is more palatable.
Last time I got both
Then might as well pick the former if you’ll get it anyway, unless you’re into both.
hope not 🤞
If it’s to avoid the cancer box, I’ll take the feel-up. I’ve been in Basic. I no longer have shame.
Good thing I always carry an extra.
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Sir and/or Madam, please put your face away!
Sounds appealing only because from a security standpoint we’ve unfortunately already given up any semblance of privacy at the airport. I’m so pessimistic about the air travel experience that I’m confident some evil bastard will somehow still figure out how to make this painful.
I hate giving up privacy in the name of security.
I mean.. too late? Face recognition has been part of biometric passport security for years now.
If anything my first flag for this is that about 50% of the time I try it I end up having to call over a security person because it tends to flake out a bunch. I've had better luck recently, so maybe it's ready now?
This becoming an app may be the logical next step, but I do think there's some value to carrying a physical copy of the biometric data with you. If we're not losing the paper passport I don't see why I'd need to double up on recognition software. If you're already matching my face to my passport and my boarding pass is also matched to my passport it sure seems like we already have all the pieces in place for this without wasting more money on more contractors and giving them more of our data to store.
…is the point.
I’ve seen this during boarding in the UK and US so far. Both times it was like a self service section at a grocery store- errors half the time holding up people and the gate agents having to fix the issue, scan themselves, or best of all, just go “yeah go ahead” without scanning anything.
Hopefully it will improve in time.
It is giving false ideas.
As we can see here in the comments, people understand it as security. But it is only a method for identification.
It cannot tell you who carries the knife. Even if it’s connected to the databases of three letter agencies (or worse), it can only produce suspicion. Which is false, most times, and helps only the ones who sell surveillance tech.
And even for identification it is less reliable than people like to think.
I like trains even more now.
trains too are getting there.
it was a pleasing experience till they installed turnstiles with qr codes and a hundred cameras in every station.
i still refuse to install the app and print my ticket instead (after putting a white box on the ad included in the pdf ticket) but i’m sure whatever they develop for planes will also be used in train stations :/
USA I presume?
If they were in the US, they’d still be on the train. Trains that go any interesting distance (i.e. ones that could replace airplanes) are super slow.
In America you can refuse to have your biometrics scanned still. This is true for coming into and out internationally. Just politely say no. They cannot force you to scan your face. I always refuse.
I had a TSA agent say my name as I walked up to the booth. They 100% scanned me before I was in earshot of the agent.
I believe it. They disavow that they take any recordings of us before we approach but, while I’m not a suspicious person, I am suspicious of TSA and HLS. Heads up they’re going to start scanning our faces at physical border crossings in cars now too. We have the same right to refuse as citizens but you know how good that is if you’re dealing with a crooked agent.
Masks help when approaching but obviously not a cure all when you have to move it to be identified by card
I hate that this is a conversation we are having.
yeah it fuckin sucks. you dont need to believe it or not, I swear to you (it also happened to my wife, Im a US citizen and she isn’t) this was in the dublin ireland departures when you go to the states. you actually go through immigration when youre still in ireland. so you go down an escalator to a specific part of the airport thats sectioned off from the rest for this. walking up to the desk, before i had a chance to take my passport out of my bag, while I was still about 10 feet away, he TSA agent said “hello [name]” they did the same thing to my wife. its disarming as youre not expecting it. there’s no knowing where in the line the facial recognition already took place. the idea you can consent/not consent is almost certainly purely theater.
I’m old enough to remember them promising, repeatedly, that the nude scanners didn’t, couldn’t save images.
Joke’s on them though. They can’t delete my pictures far enough to avoid the trauma.
Nah, they’re just really efficient at looking up social media accounts…
That privilege applies for citizens. But, if you are foreigners or just tourists. I do not think so
Correct just citizens
The only reason why US agencies have my fingerprint and biometrics is because of visa and TWIC applications. I still prefer doing things the analog way when entering.
Being a foreigner crossing the border is annoying enough, even if I’m the “right” skin color entering legally. No need to have a shitty AI conclude “daymn he ugly” and deport me on a whim.
Thanks, I hate it.
I’m not getting how this is any different from regular photo ID. The article mentions how it would be stored on the passengers phone but that’s just E-ID, which is also far from new. Is this just some random company trying to advertise their system for automated ID checks?
It seems like it is a private company contracted by DHS to roll this out, and that is where I have an issue. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think biometrics is the best route, but I absolutely do not trust a 3rd party random corp to have and securely store all of my sensitive biometrics, not do I trust them to not sell it for an additional revenue stream. Same reason why that company Clear was kinda bullshit, and how it was cost effective to have agents “selling” you on the service at the airport.
Is bullshit. They’re expanding it. I was in the Orlando airport a few months ago waiting in the long ass TSA lines while Clear employees went to everyone in line offering a free trial and “you don’t have to wait in this line.” It’s fucking insane that the government can create these delays with the TSA and then goad people into signing up for an expensive service with a private company to bypass the very problem that they created. Says a lot about the “security” too when you can just skip it by ponying up a little bit of cash.
Jeez, it’s almost just straight not worth it to fly these days once you factor everything in. Luckily I haven’t had the need in a few years, but damn.