Honestly, one of the big reasons multiplayer sucks now is because of cheaters. You wanna cheat in a single-player game? I couldn’t give less of a shit. But giving yourself an unfair advantage while playing against other people is pathetic and ruins the game for everyone…
paraphrand@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 20:36
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I totally agree.
I agree so much, that I’m always upset when I see comments on a post about anti-cheat software that only focus on the downsides of needing it. They never acknowledge the need.
The benefit of an anticheat can be replaced by an old-fashioned kick vote system. The downside of an anticheat is that I’d need to install Windows and a rootkit on my computer to play some games. Not a problem till a younger relative is over and you have to explain how your gaming PC won’t run Fortnite or GTA Online for security and ideology reasons.
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl
on 21 Jan 22:14
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Yeah, I honestly like manually kicking cheaters! However, it is not enough on its own. It doesn’t help when BOTS join the game in hordes and outnumber the human players enough to make themselves impossible to kick…
That is, I would prefer even bots to a kernel-level resteictive anticheat.
Passworded rooms then! Even in games where you play on a centralized server, it’s sometimew possible to have passworded matches. GunZ online comes to mind. I think that game had passworded mqtches. TBF that game had anticheat too, but it never really worked properly. Client side anticheat doesn’t work because someone will always bypass it somehow, and then the server doesn’t know that funny things are happening. And server side anti cheat is going to decrease server performance because you have to track more things in the server and trust the clients less.
I’m aware of situations in games where kick vote does not work, because they hacked that too. This is possible in some situations where the networking is P2P without an authoritative server.
They still make a big impact on culture and social norms surrounding cheating. But you’re right. There is no fool proof anti-cheat. Software or hardware. Server side authoritative or Peer to Peer. Even with streaming only (Stadia/GeForce Now). None of them are perfect.
It’s all about mitigation and not having a free for all.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 21:59
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It’s really rampant, especially in games that have aim assist and controllers/controller support on PC. It’s so insanely obvious when someone is using an aim assist device…i.e. no bullet spread on a small automatic gun and hitting like a laser beam at 60 meters vs someone without has a ton of missed shots at that range. Their KDR is magnitudes of order different. They ruin a match. Unfortunately looking to get them banned doesn’t do anything, seeing as using game features buil-in by the devs is a big gray area. It’s not an aimbot or ESP, it’s using and abusing the provided aim assist.
Yup. For me it is Lethal Company. While we run from tbe monsters in fear for our lives they have god mode, etc. Which simply ruins the cooperative aspect and just the entire game for everyone involved. Why even play? I guess they enjoy seeing people reaxt to their hacks but I dont give them anything, simply quit immediately as soon as I find out.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 22 Jan 01:42
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Exactly. I never cheat in MP games, but I use guides and whatnot in SP fairly often.
If you’re cheating in MP, just don’t play MP.
towerful@programming.dev
on 21 Jan 20:20
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In a single player game, yeh.
Cheating in a game that impacts other people is trash
She said something about Diablo that I didn’t understand as someone who doesn’t play that game but apparently confirming that, at one time, he was very skilled. Which is absolutely meaningless in a context where he pays people to play for him and then pretends that he did it.
Diablo IV gives scaled advantage for having very good equipment, and you can spend tons of time getting that equipment optimized. If someone else got him max rolled equipment and all he did was pilot it, it might look to someone who is a non-gamer that he is amazing at the game. You'd have to get the honest opinion of other top tier gamers if he is actually skillful.
Some builds all you have to do is keep spamming one or two attack buttons to wipe out all enemies.
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Jan 19:08
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Whaabout being a founder of Tesla?
ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world
on 21 Jan 19:14
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What do Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning have to do with Elon lying about having mad gaming skills?
If he says he’s top 20 player and it turns out he bought that account then what does that mean for the credibility of his other supposed achievements? Oops.
Yes but he has no time for this sh*t of course. If you want to reach this kind of levels, you need to play hours and hours per day. And every day of the week. Nobody has time for that.
To me the reality of it is so damn stupid, If this were back to lying about quake, that’s one thing. He’s claiming on games with continual progression however. Of which even if you have amazing skill, it’s meaningless without time. IE it would be well understood that if someone is in those leaderboards legitimately, they’ve been living the NEET lifestyle (IE spending almost all waking hours playing the game), not say… on a nation tour following around a presidential candidate, while also forming a new government consulting group, spending considerable time on twitter as a user… and being a micromanaging incompetent CEO at 4+ companies.
He didn’t say “account boosting”, he said they share accounts. I don’t play PoE, much less competitively, so I don’t know if that’s true, but let’s assume it is. Just disclose it. Like, disclose it publicly before you play the game. Don’t deny it after being called out on it and then retaliate against the person calling you out on your platform like a petty manchild, then disclose it in private. If anything, people will respect you more for being someone who doesn’t play video games all day every day like it’s their job.
This goes against the TOS for both games. If you play either, I highly recommend flooding them with reports on that. It would be great to see him banned. He’ll probably just set up a new account and start again, but it’ll cost him and you know he’ll keep cheating so you can just rinse and repeat.
You’re talking about a guy that could pay 100 million dollars for a new account and not even notice. He obviously wouldn’t pay anywhere near that much for something like this. There is no financial cost you can force on him that will change his behavior.
I’m sure if there was actual worthy news this wouldn’t be reported on however there is obviously nothing else happening so clearly we need to talk about this instead.
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What a loser.
I totally understand people who use cheat engine or similar to break games and to have fun seeing what they can do. Skipping content. Whatever.
But those that cheat to be able to boast… pathetic.
And then he’s like “well, everyone’s doing it.” 🙄
Well, since the only persons on his mind appear to be Trump and himself: Yeah, everybody’s cheating.
Honestly, one of the big reasons multiplayer sucks now is because of cheaters. You wanna cheat in a single-player game? I couldn’t give less of a shit. But giving yourself an unfair advantage while playing against other people is pathetic and ruins the game for everyone…
I totally agree.
I agree so much, that I’m always upset when I see comments on a post about anti-cheat software that only focus on the downsides of needing it. They never acknowledge the need.
The benefit of an anticheat can be replaced by an old-fashioned kick vote system. The downside of an anticheat is that I’d need to install Windows and a rootkit on my computer to play some games. Not a problem till a younger relative is over and you have to explain how your gaming PC won’t run Fortnite or GTA Online for security and ideology reasons.
Yeah, I honestly like manually kicking cheaters! However, it is not enough on its own. It doesn’t help when BOTS join the game in hordes and outnumber the human players enough to make themselves impossible to kick…
That is, I would prefer even bots to a kernel-level resteictive anticheat.
Passworded rooms then! Even in games where you play on a centralized server, it’s sometimew possible to have passworded matches. GunZ online comes to mind. I think that game had passworded mqtches. TBF that game had anticheat too, but it never really worked properly. Client side anticheat doesn’t work because someone will always bypass it somehow, and then the server doesn’t know that funny things are happening. And server side anti cheat is going to decrease server performance because you have to track more things in the server and trust the clients less.
I’m aware of situations in games where kick vote does not work, because they hacked that too. This is possible in some situations where the networking is P2P without an authoritative server.
At which point you can’t even have a truly functional anticheat because any client side anticheat, no matter how invasive, can be defeated.
They still make a big impact on culture and social norms surrounding cheating. But you’re right. There is no fool proof anti-cheat. Software or hardware. Server side authoritative or Peer to Peer. Even with streaming only (Stadia/GeForce Now). None of them are perfect.
It’s all about mitigation and not having a free for all.
It’s really rampant, especially in games that have aim assist and controllers/controller support on PC. It’s so insanely obvious when someone is using an aim assist device…i.e. no bullet spread on a small automatic gun and hitting like a laser beam at 60 meters vs someone without has a ton of missed shots at that range. Their KDR is magnitudes of order different. They ruin a match. Unfortunately looking to get them banned doesn’t do anything, seeing as using game features buil-in by the devs is a big gray area. It’s not an aimbot or ESP, it’s using and abusing the provided aim assist.
Yup. For me it is Lethal Company. While we run from tbe monsters in fear for our lives they have god mode, etc. Which simply ruins the cooperative aspect and just the entire game for everyone involved. Why even play? I guess they enjoy seeing people reaxt to their hacks but I dont give them anything, simply quit immediately as soon as I find out.
Exactly. I never cheat in MP games, but I use guides and whatnot in SP fairly often.
If you’re cheating in MP, just don’t play MP.
In a single player game, yeh.
Cheating in a game that impacts other people is trash
I cheat all of the time. I am fucking terrible at games.
Not many individuals manage to form a stain of shame on their related species. I guess he is, indeed, remarkable in that way.
I just remembered that Grimes came out defending him on this topic.
Or did I fall for a meme/shitpost?
She said something about Diablo that I didn’t understand as someone who doesn’t play that game but apparently confirming that, at one time, he was very skilled. Which is absolutely meaningless in a context where he pays people to play for him and then pretends that he did it.
Diablo IV gives scaled advantage for having very good equipment, and you can spend tons of time getting that equipment optimized. If someone else got him max rolled equipment and all he did was pilot it, it might look to someone who is a non-gamer that he is amazing at the game. You'd have to get the honest opinion of other top tier gamers if he is actually skillful.
Some builds all you have to do is keep spamming one or two attack buttons to wipe out all enemies.
Whaabout being a founder of Tesla?
What do Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning have to do with Elon lying about having mad gaming skills?
Because it’s the same thing. He’s boasting about other people’s achievement. He gives them money and pretends he did it.
It shows you a trend. What other things has he lied about?? He knows more about manufacturing than anyone else… Look at the POS cybertruk
Full self driving will be here next year… Yep 2016 is here and gone, no FSD…
Starship will get us to the mars…
The manchild is a compulsive liar and a fucking Nazi
I think you misunderstood the comment
Just reiterating for the possible MAGA lurker
If he says he’s top 20 player and it turns out he bought that account then what does that mean for the credibility of his other supposed achievements? Oops.
It tracks with everything else. He also bought Tesla in order to become a ‘founder’.
Not just bought either, he had to sue them too in order to be called a founder.
What’s the story there?
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Buying someone else’s ball and going home.
Just excuses. Not like I care, but he’ll never actually own up to this or apologize for being rude to people who called him out.
People need to cheat at Diablo 4?
Only rich people do.
He needs to pretend to be a top tier gamer to win the affection of internet strangers because he craves validation and attention.
Natural born grifter and liar.
It ain’t that hard of a game!
Yes but he has no time for this sh*t of course. If you want to reach this kind of levels, you need to play hours and hours per day. And every day of the week. Nobody has time for that.
To me the reality of it is so damn stupid, If this were back to lying about quake, that’s one thing. He’s claiming on games with continual progression however. Of which even if you have amazing skill, it’s meaningless without time. IE it would be well understood that if someone is in those leaderboards legitimately, they’ve been living the NEET lifestyle (IE spending almost all waking hours playing the game), not say… on a nation tour following around a presidential candidate, while also forming a new government consulting group, spending considerable time on twitter as a user… and being a micromanaging incompetent CEO at 4+ companies.
“No shit, dumbass…”
—everyone
Come on, you fuckin morons
Someone with a Twitter ask GGG when the ban is coming for Elon's account
German Goo Girls?
Grinding gear games
He didn’t say “account boosting”, he said they share accounts. I don’t play PoE, much less competitively, so I don’t know if that’s true, but let’s assume it is. Just disclose it. Like, disclose it publicly before you play the game. Don’t deny it after being called out on it and then retaliate against the person calling you out on your platform like a petty manchild, then disclose it in private. If anything, people will respect you more for being someone who doesn’t play video games all day every day like it’s their job.
Its obvious he doesnt play the game either and showed
This goes against the TOS for both games. If you play either, I highly recommend flooding them with reports on that. It would be great to see him banned. He’ll probably just set up a new account and start again, but it’ll cost him and you know he’ll keep cheating so you can just rinse and repeat.
You’re talking about a guy that could pay 100 million dollars for a new account and not even notice. He obviously wouldn’t pay anywhere near that much for something like this. There is no financial cost you can force on him that will change his behavior.
Still, doesn’t hurt to try.
I enjoy that the meta image is him doing the nazi salute
Not that I like him doing it, just that it’s being shown around.
Known liar founding lying. More obvious observations at 5!
THIS IS THE THING YOU MAKE A POST ABOUT???
Why not? It very much shows what a pathetic he is. Everybody is seeing all the other shit too, trust me
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He’s a 50 year old man
He’s a child.
He’s a 50 year old manchild
Man who never earned anything a day in his life continues streak by not earning video game achievements.
Peasant
I’m sure if there was actual worthy news this wouldn’t be reported on however there is obviously nothing else happening so clearly we need to talk about this instead.