I deleted FB 15 years ago and haven’t missed it once.
Maeve@kbin.social
on 14 May 2024 17:00
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Me too and me either.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 17:24
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I only miss it because Facebook Marketplace has killed Craigslist and I have some crap I need to sell
tim-clark@kbin.social
on 14 May 2024 17:32
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I gave up selling on marketplace, and donate everything. People messaging you for months asking questions or wanting a refund after they broke it. I'm not your tech support, and no warranty claims. Have heard this is a regional issue and also depends on the category. I will never sell another car on marketplace. Craigslist is great for the anonymity.
errer@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 21:11
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Can’t even give shit away on Facebook’s buy nothing groups cause people fucking ghost you after saying they’ll take it
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2024 13:49
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iS tHiS sTiLl aVAILaBlE.
Marketplace when I was moving saved me many trips because people will come pick up any old thing, but it was the pits of hell to deal with. Some lady ghosted me picking up some doors, so I moved on to the next person, and she messaged me back three weeks later saying she was interested again, and was mad as blazes I hadn’t held onto them.
Steve@startrek.website
on 14 May 2024 23:21
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Marketplace is much worse than Craigslist, I don’t get it.
Craigslist was always on the fringes, before Facebook marketplace came in there were a bunch of separate and disconnected online marketplaces. Facebook marketplace had the advantage of already having a massive user base (larger than any of the existing online marketplaces), causing it to become the largest one right out the gate, which then of course makes it the most attractive option for sellers since they will reach more people.
Smite6645@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 May 2024 16:01
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It’s also real annoying when trying to look up business hours or a restaurant menu only to find all their links are to Facebook.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2024 12:57
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Fortunately, my area has a popular classifieds at a local newspaper website, so I’ve never even looked at Facebook marketplace.
proudblond@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 20:51
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I (maybe, kinda) miss what Facebook was like in, er, 2008-ish. But then again I was also 25 so maybe I just miss what life was like back then.
pete_the_cat@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 00:05
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Same. I got on it in 2006 and it was great up until about 2010, 2013-2014 was when the shit started to hit the fan.
porksoda@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 01:12
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2013-2014 was when the timeline shifted from being a chronological timeline to a feed. The algo took over and it went to shit.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 15:32
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yeah. the platforms aren’t so bad in and of themselves, it’s the engagement algorithms that turn everything to shit.
just like IG, YT, video/music stremaing etc. you could stumble upon random and interesting shit… now the algo is just trying to shove kendrick lamar and joe rogan at me none stop because that is what is ‘popular’ and whatever shitty movie that netflix is trying to promote.
browsing is dead and search is also mostly broken. you can’t even effectively search for shit anymore.
the only place i can freely browse anymore is my local library. and discover lots of cool things. that experience on the internet is dead.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2024 12:57
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That sounds roughly about when I bailed on it.
pete_the_cat@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 00:06
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I stopped actively using it in about 2015 and every time I happen to go on it (like once every 3 years because, like a lot of people, it’s how I communicate with family members I don’t see often) it’s like uncovering and diving into a cesspool.
Parental controls on the cable/satellite box are a two-way street, IMO. 🤷🏻♂️
JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl
on 15 May 2024 06:44
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Parent control
rockSlayer@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 17:20
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Block Fox and the other right wing news stations, but also a couple liberal news stations like NBC. When they call you for tech support, tell them it’s a weird issue happening with cable lately
HoustonHenry@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 17:56
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My dad would figure it out pretty quick, he’s no ludite
Blaster_M@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 17:02
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Never had a facebook, still won’t have a facebook
HubertManne@kbin.social
on 14 May 2024 17:08
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Meh. I have facebook but don't really use it much. my condo has a page so its like a semi public chat and sometimes have communication with folks. Certainly never use the feed though and I hate checking it every few weeks. I certainly don't want anyone im connected to to think they will get a faster response if they hit me up there. I bet other things besides facebook spreads bs though. I see it with youtube users. I use youtube but I don't really chase my feed.
Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 14 May 2024 17:10
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Not being stuck inside of an echo chamber really does wonders for the brain. And yes, I know the irony of saying this on Lemmy, but it’s true.
krashmo@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 17:46
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Echo chambers are a lot easier to recognize and ignore when they aren’t filled with your friends and family.
ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
on 14 May 2024 21:33
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Lemmy isn’t really an echo chamber. It’s like saying going over to a friends place is an echo chamber because you and your friend get along. There’s nothing wrong with hanging out with people who share your values and beliefs.
The problem with social media are their algorithms. They aren’t designed to connect you with like-minded people, but to keep you engaged. The content that keeps people engaged tends to be terrible content.
The recent “a man or a bear” trend is a perfect example. Algorithms love divisive content like that because it drives engagement, but it also leads to people getting really upset over nothing. Lemmy doesn’t have any algorithms driving engagement so it doesn’t have that problem.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 May 2024 21:50
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I strongly disagree.
I don’t think lemmy is necessarily an echochamber per se, rather its just a place where misinformation exists and opinions are manipulated.
Lemmy does use algorithms to show you the most engaging content, and there are absolutely bots and bad actors manipulating which content is prioritised.
The genocide Joe / vote abstinence thing was a very clear example.
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 01:48
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… That’s not an echo chamber though. That’s propaganda and vote manipulation mostly by literal state actors and brainwashed rubes.
An echo chamber is when people literally self segregate enough to the point that they no longer consume almost any media that doesn’t fit their belief. Its exacerbated by large corporations who profit from ad revenue driven through user engagement.
Lemmy is not an echo chamber no more than the literal radio.
Reddit is not an echo chamber.
You can make these an echo chamber through varying degrees of ease. But places like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter have been proven to drive you into one by exploiting ragebait for clicks.
You can say they’re both fruit, sure. But one is like eating cantaloupe and the other like eating bananas laced with speed.
dgmib@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 23:21
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Lemmy’s a lot better than Reddit for not being an echo chamber because the communities are less interest specific, and most of us are here because we’re the type to seek out a better discussion rather than stick with status quo.
But as it gets bigger and the communities become more niché it will become a bigger issue.
NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 17:47
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Lemmy is definitely an echo chamber, but I agree that it’s not necessarily a bad thing as long as we recognize it for what it is.
There are a large number of people out there that have very different opinions than the majority of users on this platform, we need to keep things respectful even in our disagreements with them instead of tearing them down for their opinions.
See, I’m not real big on facebook, but I have an account because I live a considerable distance from when I am from. (Also because marketplace is nice.)
Lately those cockballs have been refollowing people I have unfollowed and it is a clusterfuck on there now. I just have to ignore the feed because it’s full of trump shit and religious shit yet again.
OpenStars@discuss.online
on 14 May 2024 17:33
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This title is ambiguous: reduces belief in the fake news topics themselves, vs. that fake news exists.
Anyway, yes, it does wonders for mental health and sanity to unplug from that cesspit of human “alternative knowledge”!:-P
sheridan@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 18:21
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My mom was permabanned from Facebook in 2020 for constantly posting anti-vax nonsense so she just went to places like Gab and Parlor. 😑
Mango@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 21:32
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Truth depends on whoever you’re buying it from.
porksoda@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 01:14
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How do you decide which sources are credible? I can’t decide. Literally everything can be faked, and the more there is on the line, the more incentive and resources there are to do so.
What important stuff do you think there is that isn’t faked? How do you decide that it’s not fake?
Damn near everything you’ve ever accepted as true is stuff you were told or read and just accepted it based on how it was presented.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 02:44
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“I can’t decide”
yes, we are all well aware of how dumb you are. Your stupidity is becoming quite well known on Lemmy.
maxenmajs@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 03:27
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I believe that some popular news organizations are sufficiently trustworthy. At the very least, you can find sources that rank higher than others on the scale of trustworthiness.
NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 18:24
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This is why, in a lot of universities, they’re trying to teach you how to learn, not necessarily how you should think.
We need to be able to examine the claims for ourselves and learn what red flags look like.
And a lot of the time we mix up “facts” with “opinions”. Even when we are looking at facts, most of the time there are lies mixed with truth or conveniently forgotten truths. If we only get our information from a single source, or from biased sources, then we’re going to miss some key information.
That’s why it’s good to make sure that you look at any story (especially politicized ones) from different angles and sources even if you don’t agree with them.
Not only that but it can be enlightening to hear about a story from someone who’s much more intimately familiar with the subject themselves.
For example, whenever it comes to news stories about the Supreme Court, I like to look for commentary from lawyers such as Steve Lehto or Legal Eagle. You’ll find that they typically provide some very important context into why a particular decision was made that cuts through a lot of the outrage material that reporters push for clicks.
And lies are lies. How do you decide which is which?
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 14 May 2024 21:36
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Yowza. My dad did the same until he died (shockingly, of COVID), so I just wanted to say I’m sorry. I know what it’s like having a crazy parent and it sucks.
superduperpirate@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 18:30
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I disabled my account four years ago when I realized how much plague stupidity and election stupidity on there was harming my mental health.
I doubt I will ever formally delete my account, as it’s the only source for pictures of some now-deceased family members. If hell freezes over and there’s a legit unavoidable need for me to be on there, I’m using desktop+web browser only, and probably in a browser that only gets used for the monthly visit to FB.
Can’t you download those pictures locally? It would be good practice anyway to not rely on Facebook of all places to host your beloved photos indefinitely
grue@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 01:17
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it’s the only source for pictures of some now-deceased family members
Download them ASAP. You can never trust an external service like that to keep them available in perpetuity.
iamdisillusioned@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 05:41
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Be careful, I logged out for too long and forgot my password and they wanted a copy of my driver’s license before letting me have access to my account.
dmtalon@infosec.pub
on 14 May 2024 18:44
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I just ‘deactivate’ people that share news on facebook. I use FB to give my family (who don’t live near me) and friends a small slice of what’s going on in my world. I don’t post daily/weekly but I only post stuff I create. I also use it for groups/market place since most forums went to FB groups.
I expect the same from my connections, and unfollow anyone that just forwards things (news, memes, other posts). This little bit of management has made my FB feed ‘ok’
Donjuanme@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 18:46
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I’m convinced those who want to be fearful of things will immediately latch onto a new source of misinformation.
This isn’t to say Facebook is good, or that we shouldn’t try to have stronger punishment for misinformation that leads to public harm, just that “people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals”
hperrin@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 18:54
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That is not surprising at all. That’s like saying laying off the conspiracy theory conventions for a while reduces your belief in conspiracy theories.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 19:46
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It’s been since 2020 that I stopped browsing Facebook
pete_the_cat@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 00:03
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I got banned for calling someone a pigeon, I left and didn’t look back.
LemmySoloHer@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 21:28
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The person reacting to your comment calling them a pigeon:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bb918f87-4fe6-45dd-a8fa-e4be9372c8ab.png">
Mr_Wobble@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 21:29
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Calling people pigeons isn’t coo, man.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 02:40
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not coup at all.
essteeyou@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 21:46
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You must have really ruffled some feathers!
pete_the_cat@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 00:02
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Social media in general is full of people that want to rage or exert control over someone else. I had two of my comments here on Lemmy (not sure what server) under the News community for “Victim Blaming” and “Victim Shaming” for saying that people need to take responsibility for their actions occasionally instead of constantly blaming it on the other party.
The saving grace is Lemmy isn’t just algorithms doing the banning.
to55@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 May 2024 20:08
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I want to quit Facebook so badly, but I NEED to use WhatsApp. Family, friends, work even. All informal and semi-formal chats go through WhatsApp where I live.
settoloki@lemmy.one
on 14 May 2024 20:12
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You don’t need Facebook to use WhatsApp.
to55@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 May 2024 20:52
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Meta
Joelk111@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 20:14
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I hate Facebook. Marketplace is unfortunately the only place a lot of stuff is listed, even though it also sucks. I said I wanted stuff within 85 miles, why are you showing me stuff that’s 400 miles away??? Craigslist is genuinely a better experience (via the mobile app) these days, but no one uses it.
to55@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 May 2024 20:53
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I guess I’m at least lucky that marketplace isn’t used here primarily.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
on 14 May 2024 21:52
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This.
I buy and sell heaps of stuff on Facebook.
We have young kids. It must have saved us thousands buying everything second hand and flipping it later.
I have no Facebook, I want no Facebook. When I got my now job a few years back they said “we couldn’t find you on Facebook.” That’s right, you can’t.
And yes I get left out of that communication stream, but absolutely don’t care. Like, not even a little bit.
I’m waiting it out. Already my kids see it as “boomer shit”.
Ozone6363@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 21:34
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I haven’t viewed the actual Facebook app/feed in probably 7 or 8 years, but I have a Facebook for messenger. There are just too many people that rely on it as a sole form of communication, I was just getting left out of shit.
I don’t really see the problem though, do you not have the self control not to browse?
to55@discuss.tchncs.de
on 15 May 2024 06:35
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I do, luckily. But I’d rather not use any Meta apps.
pete_the_cat@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 00:03
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You’re not required to go on Facebook just to use WhatsApp 😉
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 20:45
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No shit? Why didn’t anybody tell us?
Mango@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 21:17
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All news is fake news.
Mr_Wobble@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 21:27
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ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 02:45
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no.
thehatfox@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 21:33
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Platforms like Facebook have an incredible hold on some people. I remember a few years ago when the “Momo” hoax happened, an older coworker arrived at the office and started warning us about the danger of “Momo” they’d seen on Facebook. I’d already heard about the hoax (and was aware of the original creepyasta origins), and brought up a few news articles explaining it, including an official statement from the police. Everyone seemed satisfied by the truth, except for the Facebook addict. They just gave me a blank stare, and a few hours later I heard them telling another group of colleagues to beware of “Momo” getting to their children.
I have family members and longstanding family friends who have succumbed to this. Interestingly almost all of them were decrying the internet as something that couldn’t be trusted before the age of social media.
Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented.
Propaganda isn’t always fake news, it can also be true stuff presented in a biased way.
Similarly, fake news isn’t always propaganda. Some is just stuff spread by trolls to make fun of people.
Propaganda isn’t always fake news, it can also be true stuff presented in a biased way.
It can also be true stuff presented in an unbiased way. There’s a disconnect here between the proper definition of the word, which is perfectly neutral, and its connotations because the what secretary for tsunami safety doesn’t call their stuff “propaganda” but “public service announcement”. Still the same thing, though, the tsunami safety secretary is trying to persuade the audience to not be stupid and get to high ground as soon as the sea recedes. Very much pushing an agenda, they *gasp* want people to survive and *gasp* use communication to achieve it.
Can it? I searched a bit and all the definitions I’ve found seem to be about swaying public opinion, not simple objective announcements.
It does have a negative connotation even though it can be used for good, but I still don’t think purely objective messages like “a tsunami is coming, get to high ground” should count as propaganda.
Which btw yes certainly has editorialising going on. The answer to “Useless projects are funded with EU money” starts with “National and regional authorities in the EU countries select projects which they think meet their needs best in line with the strategies and priorities agreed with the Commission.” Which isn’t saying that EU money doesn’t found useless projects, but implicitly blames regional authorities for it. I don’t even think they want to mislead, here, they simply want to stay diplomatic.
(This video about the canopy walk is brilliant. (enable subtitles)).
Corruption, that’s why. Similar to how the Italian mafia would half-build highway bridges with taxpayer money and then mysteriously have some shell company go bankrupt. OLAF is on it because of course they are when stuff makes the press. If they have a case EPPO will take over at which point that Hungarian mayor will have the questionable honour of being up against the gal who cleaned up Romania… before Hungarian courts. If those turn out to be corrupt then that’s going to buy the mayor time but ultimately the ECJ would overrule them. Still no mechanism to actually set boots on member state grounds but Hungary is already on thin ice when it comes to getting suspended from the EU for various reasons, they’re going to tread lightly.
See if you want to be corrupt in the EU you have to do it like the big boys: Implement some policy, then get a cushy job at a company. Or receive tons of money for boring private speeches. Something like that, directly grabbing into state coffers is so uncivilised.
EDIT: Oh, Hungary didn’t join EPPO, figures. They can still freeze assets, though. Also if I understand things correctly our mayor would turn into a fugitive in the rest of the EU.
It’s also lazy and they’re used to not getting investigated or even called out. But even if prosecution is high and you’re not lazy you get corrupt politicians doing blatantly obvious stuff like the mask scandal in Germany, making a fortune of selling FFP2 masks at ludicrous markups to the state: Their behaviour was not technically illegal (laws got adjusted since then), the only one who got prosecuted got prosecuted for tax evasion, not corruption.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 22:51
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It’ll make you feel infinitely better all around. I got rid of mine almost a year ago.
Juice64@lemmy.world
on 14 May 2024 23:23
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Deleting it for 3 years also improves mental health and keeps toxic family members out of your business. I wish I’d learned that sooner.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip
on 15 May 2024 15:11
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Just never accept the friend requests by family members, it isn’t worth it.
Even aside from politics, the only thing they do is comment dumb annoying gifs on your posts.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2024 12:54
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I think I’m closer to 10 years, but I do remember needing to recreate one for a few weeks while I worked with a few Facebook employees on a project.
Anyway, I don’t even know what Facebook looks like these days. My contacts occasionally mention it, but nothing important seems to happen there.
Just delete your account. It’s not a big deal, it’s just toxic people showing off for other toxic people.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
on 14 May 2024 23:44
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YouTube is getting particularly bad about this to, unfortunately. They need to do more to remove harmful misinformation, but they don’t care because it won’t make them money.
The unfortunate thing is a lot of people won’t remove it from their recommendations and will watch it, and the worse thing is there’s actually even worse content than those you listed, it’s awful.
Holzkohlen@feddit.de
on 15 May 2024 13:15
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For real. Not logged in, on a new PC, just having watched a few gaming videos and got recommended US right wing nonsense. I am not in the US, no VPN, nothing. No ability to tell them to stop showing me that garbage. Hell, just let me disable shorts in general.
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 15 May 2024 14:03
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It really sucks that YT has such shit “don’t show me stuff” controls. Sometimes it feels like asking to not get recommended a certain channel will instead show all the alternatives that feel and look just like it
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
on 15 May 2024 21:51
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I have blocked so many right wing channels that my de facto suggestions after watching political shit is Zach gun rants, Arma ops, and Animarchy or one of the other NAFO associates. Its fucken great.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 15:17
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Youtube is good as a video hosting website, but bad as anything social-related. I just treat it like a video website and ignore the rest. Private browsing mode, no login used is my preferred way to access youtube videos
Honestly I prefer having an account specifically so I can filter out the garbage fake harmful dangerous content so I don’t have to see it.
mechoman444@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 00:43
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Haven’t used facebook in any meaningful way since 2012. Much less anxiety ever since.
Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip
on 15 May 2024 02:53
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Same sentence but replace it with Instagram for me. I can’t help but peek into comments for some funny ones but they are all filled with vile stuff. Tiktok is no better but it’s definitely better than Instagram. Even worse half of those comments come from my country :(
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 15:30
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the vast majority of nutbags with low key mental issues i meet are social media addicts who furiously want to bring their ‘curated’ image into the real world and force others to worship them.
the others nutbags are homeless folks.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
on 15 May 2024 03:22
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Can we start some viral alliteration to get people off Facebook for a few weeks? Or maybe get them more mindful of their social media consumption?
Make Memories Matter May?
Just Journal June?
Just Jibe July?
Authentic August?
Send Stamps September?
Offline October?
No Negativity November?
UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com
on 15 May 2024 03:50
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legit offline October is great, and works as a grassroots movement. I’m having an “offline October” is akin to when my friends and I do Dry July. I’m going to start doing this (despite the fact that I haven’t used social media in 2 years)
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2024 12:52
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There’s something on the tip of my tongue. Something like ____ Zuck. Something that rhymes, and expresses how I feel about him and his platform. I just can’t quite put my finger on it…
😉
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 17 May 2024 00:07
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Summer Social Media Sabbatical:
Join June/July’s journey to joyful jamming!"
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 13:47
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I deleted my account back in November when they enforced the ‘pay or ok’ option. I was not ok with that
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 16:18
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In EU you were given an option by META to pay for adfree experience or accept targeted ads
Problem 1: if you paid, they would not stop tracking you. They would just stop showing ads. They would still be able to suggest content from commercial accounts.
Problem 2: the price was unreasonable. It depended on how many accounts you have across the platforms but i believe that the price for my profile and a couple of pages was €32 every month
Problem 3: these two options replaced the option to accept untargeted ads. I was ok with untargeted but they removed the option
Their solution has since been deemed as ‘not ok’ by the EU data protection board
ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2024 16:12
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perhaps if they pay, pay or ok will be ok?
StaySquared@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 14:22
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I left FB back in 2020 among other social media accounts.
The problem with people, just in general… regardless of who they are, what they believe in, what part of the world they live in… they just read headlines and quickly post it for attention. They don’t take the time to read it, ingest it, question it, find other sources to provide more details or to counter the story. People don’t care to have a holistic view of an issue and that’s sad. At the same time I also blame the chitty producers of said news and the titles they decide to go with and how they love to bury the more important information 4-5-6-7 paragraphs or more down the page… you have to read all this bs fluff to finally get to the meat and potatoes of the issue.
I’m hoping that some how, some way, an unbiased AI is created just for internet search purposes, where it can gather all the data, analyze it, then present its findings into a summary with all the sources listed.
cumskin_genocide@lemm.ee
on 15 May 2024 14:31
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Shut it down like Tiktok. Those platforms are brainwashing people into believing far right and far left ideas.
More like overthrowing governments, disbanding corporations, abolishing personal properties, completely removing currency, controlling speech, …
I myself am a socialist, but what you describe is closer to centre left than far left.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 15:13
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Yes those are the problematic fantasies that corporate social media is brainwashing people towards. Too many of the youth are wasting their time on fantasies of revolution when they could be acting within the scope of reality to achieve something actually meaningful.
cumskin_genocide@lemm.ee
on 15 May 2024 16:04
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They would be better off actually working instead of wasting their time protesting and getting useless degrees
Okay my comment was a little bit sarcastic, but there is some truth in it. Removing currency and removing private property isnt that bad. How would we live then? You just have your skills and trade/offer them every day against the skills of someone else, who makes food for example. No third person would make profit of your trade. Sounds better then what we have actually. Today the Top 10% literally do nothing and get all things they want.
But removing everything sounds odd, I know. Let’s start simple: how about it isn’t allowed to have more than 1 mio. Dollars. I mean 1 mio. is a lot. If you have more you pay 100% tax. Nobody needs more than 1 mio.
Btw “controlling speech” is one of the far right favourites, not left.
CapeWearingAeroplane@sopuli.xyz
on 16 May 2024 20:49
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We tried the “trade your skills for something you need”. In every surviving society it eventually lead to the development of a currency (not hard to see why), which requires/leads to regulation, which requires enforcement, aaaand you’re back at a modern society. I’m all for more regulation to reduce economic and social differences in society, but the people that are talking about abolishing governments and currencies need to pick up a history book and follow their ideas to their natural conclusion.
“Controlling speech” is a hallmark of authoritarian governments, be they far-left or far-right, there are plenty of historical examples of both.
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 2024 12:38
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Damn those far left ideals like liveable wages!
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2024 13:46
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I think Tiktok can often be creative and informative, which Facebook is definitely not though. I don’t use Tiktok but what people have sent me have usually been funny.
TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz
on 16 May 2024 14:01
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I’ve seen quite a few commies on Lemmy. Just saying.
brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml
on 16 May 2024 15:16
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far left ideas.
Lol. Yeah that’s the problem with society today; Mark Zuckerberg is turning the kids into commies!
3volver@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 14:40
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One of the best decisions I made was deleting my Facebook. I really mean that, one of the best decisions in my entire life. Not getting sucked into the absolute bullshit fest that greedy shit fuckers like Mark Zuckerberg set up for humanity is extremely relieving. Don’t compare yourself to other people, you be you, just try to be your best self, it’s worth it. Don’t let the billionaire leeches of society take everything from you, fuck Facebook.
CrowAirbrush@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 16:30
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The downside is that everyone around you in real life is stuck in that loop, so you can’t really escape it anymore.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2024 12:49
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Eh, someone needs to be the first to exit the matrix.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 14:53
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Facebook is 100% shitposts. Most of my friends on it have aged out of posting every little thing and so it’s mostly shitposts and soft core porn disguised as short form videos on the Facebook feed and not any of my friends that I actually wanted to follow when I made my account in the 00s.
I really want to delete my account but I still have to use it to organize class reunions and alumni events for my old high school. I’m going to try to float the idea that we move to a mailing list instead. I’d rather buy a domain and maintain a website for that than continue using Facebook for free
Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social
on 15 May 2024 18:52
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My mother in law entered some contest where the votes had to be verified through Facebook. It was the first time I logged in since 2016 or so. The majority of my feed was AI pics of kids missing limbs, or chicks with impossibly large tits/body proportions with the description “Please wish me a happy birthday no one else did” with 40 hashtags of celeb names or movies/shows that came out around then. Mixed in was fake news bullshit or videos that had 4 different watermarks on it. Maybe if I used it more I would see somewhat relevant things, but its worse than I thought if that’s a normal feed.
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 16 May 2024 16:09
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Start a signal group and people may start switching their messenger altogether.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 15 May 2024 14:53
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disconnecting lowers users political participation and also their propensity to believe misinformation
OP buried the wider point: People gotta be completely brainwashed and delusional to believe in political participation.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 15:28
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irrational belief based on fantasy fuels people to action a lot more than rational belief based in reality.
because the former is exciting and meaningful, the latter is boring and mundane.
hence why the crazies tend to believe in cabal conspiracies of evil people whom they must fight against. whereas your average voter is like ‘who do i want to have a beer with and make me feel like i’m doing better financially… i’ll vote him’
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 15 May 2024 15:09
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Can confirm giving up popular social media has made my life a lot better. You don’t need to know half the shit your friends are up to. It’s just going to hurt you. Go outside. Take part in trivia night. Make new friends. Feel the grass beneath your feet.
PanoptiDon@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 15:14
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Deleting it all together is better.
anders@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 15:26
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For me social media in general is best at a minimum.
demizerone@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 15:34
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Don’t turn off Facebook! Mark has a Yacht to feed!
Resol@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 18:33
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Replace “for just a few weeks” with “forever”, and “reduces” with “gets rid of”, and now you have an even better statement.
ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 2024 12:02
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Permanently deleting all Facebook accounts and pages could save you even better.
Or even more better: just get rid or all social media that is associated with massive corporate giants (YouTube is still too useful to get rid of, but it dors still have lots of problems)
Got_Bent@lemmy.world
on 15 May 2024 20:33
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The last time I logged on to Facebook was this past fall because there was a death in our fairly tight knit group of high school classmates. It had been three or four years since I’d been in there.
So I went on and said my words.
While I was there, I didn’t really notice what was in my feed.
What I noticed was suddenly I was getting notification after notification that my posts from years and years ago were getting deleted because they didn’t fit whatever the current terms and conditions of use were.
This amused me.
So I left my words of dead classmate up for a week then sent my account silent again.
I can’t see Facebook or any social media being a place I ever hang out again, which is a little bit of a bummer because without any social media, IRL social activities all but come to an immediate and total halt.
So I was right when I thought social media is propelling us to collapse and that it is analogous to cigarettes on a collective scale.
Small solace though, it already permeated every corner of civilization changing us in mostly bad ways.
I think we really need to choose our social media carefully knowing that every type has their own mental illness flavour risks from body dysmorphia to groupthink. We need to be self aware of our shortcomings and tricks employed by corps for harvesting engagement.
Nowadays you turn off your brain and browse social media to relax but you should rather do the opposite. Focus the brain knowing the site was purposefully made to trick you to spend as much time on it as possible and invest as much emotions as possible. This isn’t some harmless casual leisure activity, you become a cog in a corporation war for information when you open the site. On unfriendly territory, a battlefield of digital war, you ought to wear a helmet at least.
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 2024 12:33
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I still don’t think this would save my mom from whichever TV source she watches, Fox News, News Max, or OAN.
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2024 13:44
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Can you get into her parental controls? Someone on Reddit did that with their parents and it actually got them somewhere.
Oderus@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2024 14:49
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I just created an account a couple of months ago after never using it. It’s easy to filter out the dummies.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2024 15:58
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I envy you. In my country (Hungary), I just cannot really live without it.
Captain@sh.itjust.works
on 16 May 2024 13:03
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I still have Facebook but pretty much just for messaging… and honestly I don’t even check it.
I had 6 unread messages and 30 plus notifications when I checked a moment ago.
Pretty happy with the results.
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de
on 16 May 2024 16:07
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Deleting Facebook forever reduces stress and desinformation long-term.
0nekoneko7@lemmy.world
on 16 May 2024 16:13
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Left it long ago in 2017. Never looked back.
It’s a mental addiction itself. those who may try to detox themselves obviously will have to go through the withdrawal symptoms.
Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 16 May 2024 18:24
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For my relatives Facebook’s not the problem, it’s all the far right wing propaganda on YouTube that makes claims without backing them up with any sort of evidence. The more they watch, the more they believe it, and the less they believe evidence to the contrary.
helenslunch@feddit.nl
on 29 Jul 2024 00:34
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I’ve seen like 7 people share this meme on Facebook about Netflix stock “tumbling” after donating to Harris. The ease with which people can be manipulated is absolutely terrifying. Like type “netflix stock” into the browser where you saw this and BOOM FACT CHECKED but they just accept internet memes as gospel and spread them accordingly.
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I deleted FB 15 years ago and haven’t missed it once.
Me too and me either.
I only miss it because Facebook Marketplace has killed Craigslist and I have some crap I need to sell
I gave up selling on marketplace, and donate everything. People messaging you for months asking questions or wanting a refund after they broke it. I'm not your tech support, and no warranty claims. Have heard this is a regional issue and also depends on the category. I will never sell another car on marketplace. Craigslist is great for the anonymity.
Can’t even give shit away on Facebook’s buy nothing groups cause people fucking ghost you after saying they’ll take it
iS tHiS sTiLl aVAILaBlE.
Marketplace when I was moving saved me many trips because people will come pick up any old thing, but it was the pits of hell to deal with. Some lady ghosted me picking up some doors, so I moved on to the next person, and she messaged me back three weeks later saying she was interested again, and was mad as blazes I hadn’t held onto them.
Marketplace is much worse than Craigslist, I don’t get it.
Craigslist was always on the fringes, before Facebook marketplace came in there were a bunch of separate and disconnected online marketplaces. Facebook marketplace had the advantage of already having a massive user base (larger than any of the existing online marketplaces), causing it to become the largest one right out the gate, which then of course makes it the most attractive option for sellers since they will reach more people.
It’s also real annoying when trying to look up business hours or a restaurant menu only to find all their links are to Facebook.
Fortunately, my area has a popular classifieds at a local newspaper website, so I’ve never even looked at Facebook marketplace.
I (maybe, kinda) miss what Facebook was like in, er, 2008-ish. But then again I was also 25 so maybe I just miss what life was like back then.
Same. I got on it in 2006 and it was great up until about 2010, 2013-2014 was when the shit started to hit the fan.
2013-2014 was when the timeline shifted from being a chronological timeline to a feed. The algo took over and it went to shit.
yeah. the platforms aren’t so bad in and of themselves, it’s the engagement algorithms that turn everything to shit.
just like IG, YT, video/music stremaing etc. you could stumble upon random and interesting shit… now the algo is just trying to shove kendrick lamar and joe rogan at me none stop because that is what is ‘popular’ and whatever shitty movie that netflix is trying to promote.
browsing is dead and search is also mostly broken. you can’t even effectively search for shit anymore.
the only place i can freely browse anymore is my local library. and discover lots of cool things. that experience on the internet is dead.
That sounds roughly about when I bailed on it.
I stopped actively using it in about 2015 and every time I happen to go on it (like once every 3 years because, like a lot of people, it’s how I communicate with family members I don’t see often) it’s like uncovering and diving into a cesspool.
No, you didn’t, it is still there! Facebook.com
I wish I could get my parents to unplug from Fox for a while
Parental controls on the cable/satellite box are a two-way street, IMO. 🤷🏻♂️
Parent control
Block Fox and the other right wing news stations, but also a couple liberal news stations like NBC. When they call you for tech support, tell them it’s a weird issue happening with cable lately
My dad would figure it out pretty quick, he’s no ludite
Never had a facebook, still won’t have a facebook
Meh. I have facebook but don't really use it much. my condo has a page so its like a semi public chat and sometimes have communication with folks. Certainly never use the feed though and I hate checking it every few weeks. I certainly don't want anyone im connected to to think they will get a faster response if they hit me up there. I bet other things besides facebook spreads bs though. I see it with youtube users. I use youtube but I don't really chase my feed.
Not being stuck inside of an echo chamber really does wonders for the brain. And yes, I know the irony of saying this on Lemmy, but it’s true.
Echo chambers are a lot easier to recognize and ignore when they aren’t filled with your friends and family.
Lemmy isn’t really an echo chamber. It’s like saying going over to a friends place is an echo chamber because you and your friend get along. There’s nothing wrong with hanging out with people who share your values and beliefs.
The problem with social media are their algorithms. They aren’t designed to connect you with like-minded people, but to keep you engaged. The content that keeps people engaged tends to be terrible content.
The recent “a man or a bear” trend is a perfect example. Algorithms love divisive content like that because it drives engagement, but it also leads to people getting really upset over nothing. Lemmy doesn’t have any algorithms driving engagement so it doesn’t have that problem.
I strongly disagree.
I don’t think lemmy is necessarily an echochamber per se, rather its just a place where misinformation exists and opinions are manipulated.
Lemmy does use algorithms to show you the most engaging content, and there are absolutely bots and bad actors manipulating which content is prioritised.
The genocide Joe / vote abstinence thing was a very clear example.
… That’s not an echo chamber though. That’s propaganda and vote manipulation mostly by literal state actors and brainwashed rubes.
An echo chamber is when people literally self segregate enough to the point that they no longer consume almost any media that doesn’t fit their belief. Its exacerbated by large corporations who profit from ad revenue driven through user engagement.
Lemmy is not an echo chamber no more than the literal radio.
Reddit is not an echo chamber.
You can make these an echo chamber through varying degrees of ease. But places like Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter have been proven to drive you into one by exploiting ragebait for clicks.
You can say they’re both fruit, sure. But one is like eating cantaloupe and the other like eating bananas laced with speed.
Lemmy’s a lot better than Reddit for not being an echo chamber because the communities are less interest specific, and most of us are here because we’re the type to seek out a better discussion rather than stick with status quo.
But as it gets bigger and the communities become more niché it will become a bigger issue.
Lemmy is definitely an echo chamber, but I agree that it’s not necessarily a bad thing as long as we recognize it for what it is. There are a large number of people out there that have very different opinions than the majority of users on this platform, we need to keep things respectful even in our disagreements with them instead of tearing them down for their opinions.
No, this isn’t like that at all. Mods here are actively pwning anyone who slightly disagrees with them. This is very definitely an echo chamber.
Have you tried Linux, communism, and being gay?
yes, yes, and yes.
and i no longer like any of those things.
Damn, speedrunning the Lemmy topics! I only do 2/3 of them, otherwise we’d probably already be married!
Given how FB’s algorithm stacks their feed and hides real information, that’s not surprising.
See, I’m not real big on facebook, but I have an account because I live a considerable distance from when I am from. (Also because marketplace is nice.)
Lately those cockballs have been refollowing people I have unfollowed and it is a clusterfuck on there now. I just have to ignore the feed because it’s full of trump shit and religious shit yet again.
This title is ambiguous: reduces belief in the fake news topics themselves, vs. that fake news exists.
Anyway, yes, it does wonders for mental health and sanity to unplug from that cesspit of human “alternative knowledge”!:-P
My mom was permabanned from Facebook in 2020 for constantly posting anti-vax nonsense so she just went to places like Gab and Parlor. 😑
Truth depends on whoever you’re buying it from.
Damn, you’re so enlightened.
How do you decide which sources are credible? I can’t decide. Literally everything can be faked, and the more there is on the line, the more incentive and resources there are to do so.
What important stuff do you think there is that isn’t faked? How do you decide that it’s not fake?
Damn near everything you’ve ever accepted as true is stuff you were told or read and just accepted it based on how it was presented.
yes, we are all well aware of how dumb you are. Your stupidity is becoming quite well known on Lemmy.
I believe that some popular news organizations are sufficiently trustworthy. At the very least, you can find sources that rank higher than others on the scale of trustworthiness.
This is why, in a lot of universities, they’re trying to teach you how to learn, not necessarily how you should think.
We need to be able to examine the claims for ourselves and learn what red flags look like.
And a lot of the time we mix up “facts” with “opinions”. Even when we are looking at facts, most of the time there are lies mixed with truth or conveniently forgotten truths. If we only get our information from a single source, or from biased sources, then we’re going to miss some key information.
That’s why it’s good to make sure that you look at any story (especially politicized ones) from different angles and sources even if you don’t agree with them.
Not only that but it can be enlightening to hear about a story from someone who’s much more intimately familiar with the subject themselves.
For example, whenever it comes to news stories about the Supreme Court, I like to look for commentary from lawyers such as Steve Lehto or Legal Eagle. You’ll find that they typically provide some very important context into why a particular decision was made that cuts through a lot of the outrage material that reporters push for clicks.
Truth is truth, how it is described may be subjective. But there is still only one truth.
And lies are lies. How do you decide which is which?
Yowza. My dad did the same until he died (shockingly, of COVID), so I just wanted to say I’m sorry. I know what it’s like having a crazy parent and it sucks.
I disabled my account four years ago when I realized how much plague stupidity and election stupidity on there was harming my mental health.
I doubt I will ever formally delete my account, as it’s the only source for pictures of some now-deceased family members. If hell freezes over and there’s a legit unavoidable need for me to be on there, I’m using desktop+web browser only, and probably in a browser that only gets used for the monthly visit to FB.
Can’t you download those pictures locally? It would be good practice anyway to not rely on Facebook of all places to host your beloved photos indefinitely
Download them ASAP. You can never trust an external service like that to keep them available in perpetuity.
Be careful, I logged out for too long and forgot my password and they wanted a copy of my driver’s license before letting me have access to my account.
I just ‘deactivate’ people that share news on facebook. I use FB to give my family (who don’t live near me) and friends a small slice of what’s going on in my world. I don’t post daily/weekly but I only post stuff I create. I also use it for groups/market place since most forums went to FB groups.
I expect the same from my connections, and unfollow anyone that just forwards things (news, memes, other posts). This little bit of management has made my FB feed ‘ok’
I’m convinced those who want to be fearful of things will immediately latch onto a new source of misinformation.
This isn’t to say Facebook is good, or that we shouldn’t try to have stronger punishment for misinformation that leads to public harm, just that “people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals”
That is not surprising at all. That’s like saying laying off the conspiracy theory conventions for a while reduces your belief in conspiracy theories.
It’s been since 2020 that I stopped browsing Facebook
What took you so long? 😉
I got banned for calling someone a pigeon, I left and didn’t look back.
The person reacting to your comment calling them a pigeon: <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bb918f87-4fe6-45dd-a8fa-e4be9372c8ab.png">
Calling people pigeons isn’t coo, man.
not coup at all.
You must have really ruffled some feathers!
Social media in general is full of people that want to rage or exert control over someone else. I had two of my comments here on Lemmy (not sure what server) under the News community for “Victim Blaming” and “Victim Shaming” for saying that people need to take responsibility for their actions occasionally instead of constantly blaming it on the other party.
Clearly it was your fault, you should be ashamed…
/S
The saving grace is Lemmy isn’t just algorithms doing the banning.
I want to quit Facebook so badly, but I NEED to use WhatsApp. Family, friends, work even. All informal and semi-formal chats go through WhatsApp where I live.
You don’t need Facebook to use WhatsApp.
Meta
I hate Facebook. Marketplace is unfortunately the only place a lot of stuff is listed, even though it also sucks. I said I wanted stuff within 85 miles, why are you showing me stuff that’s 400 miles away??? Craigslist is genuinely a better experience (via the mobile app) these days, but no one uses it.
I guess I’m at least lucky that marketplace isn’t used here primarily.
This.
I buy and sell heaps of stuff on Facebook.
We have young kids. It must have saved us thousands buying everything second hand and flipping it later.
I just use Craigslist anyway and accept that I’m missing out on selection.
Often I do too, but I’m in a mid-sized city so sometimes it isn’t an option if I want to find a deal on something.
I only set up notifications on Craigslist’s app though.
You can quit Facebook, just not Meta as an entity.
Right. I’m still used to the parent company being named Facebook.
I have no Facebook, I want no Facebook. When I got my now job a few years back they said “we couldn’t find you on Facebook.” That’s right, you can’t.
And yes I get left out of that communication stream, but absolutely don’t care. Like, not even a little bit.
I’m waiting it out. Already my kids see it as “boomer shit”.
I haven’t viewed the actual Facebook app/feed in probably 7 or 8 years, but I have a Facebook for messenger. There are just too many people that rely on it as a sole form of communication, I was just getting left out of shit.
I don’t really see the problem though, do you not have the self control not to browse?
I do, luckily. But I’d rather not use any Meta apps.
You’re not required to go on Facebook just to use WhatsApp 😉
No shit? Why didn’t anybody tell us?
All news is fake news.
All comments are fake comments.
I made this one up!
no.
Platforms like Facebook have an incredible hold on some people. I remember a few years ago when the “Momo” hoax happened, an older coworker arrived at the office and started warning us about the danger of “Momo” they’d seen on Facebook. I’d already heard about the hoax (and was aware of the original creepyasta origins), and brought up a few news articles explaining it, including an official statement from the police. Everyone seemed satisfied by the truth, except for the Facebook addict. They just gave me a blank stare, and a few hours later I heard them telling another group of colleagues to beware of “Momo” getting to their children.
I have family members and longstanding family friends who have succumbed to this. Interestingly almost all of them were decrying the internet as something that couldn’t be trusted before the age of social media.
Damn Momo is like 3 years old now? Lol. My kids were coming home with that shit they knew it was bullshit before my ex lol.
I miss Oprah and her rainbow parties like sheeit I want me some blowjob parties!
2018 according to Wikipedia, so 6 years ago!
Fuck I was still ib highschool then, and I still on occasion become convinced that I need to be getting ready for school at random when waking up.
You get a BJ! You get a BJ! EVERYONE GETS A BJ!
3 years? It feels like 6-7 years. Momo was in 2021?
Deactivated my Facebook for 2 years now. Zero regrets.
PROPAGANDA. Please use the actual word. Why use two words when one do trick?
From Wikipedia:
Propaganda isn’t always fake news, it can also be true stuff presented in a biased way.
Similarly, fake news isn’t always propaganda. Some is just stuff spread by trolls to make fun of people.
It can also be true stuff presented in an unbiased way. There’s a disconnect here between the proper definition of the word, which is perfectly neutral, and its connotations because the what secretary for tsunami safety doesn’t call their stuff “propaganda” but “public service announcement”. Still the same thing, though, the tsunami safety secretary is trying to persuade the audience to not be stupid and get to high ground as soon as the sea recedes. Very much pushing an agenda, they *gasp* want people to survive and *gasp* use communication to achieve it.
Can it? I searched a bit and all the definitions I’ve found seem to be about swaying public opinion, not simple objective announcements.
It does have a negative connotation even though it can be used for good, but I still don’t think purely objective messages like “a tsunami is coming, get to high ground” should count as propaganda.
What about things like this?
Which btw yes certainly has editorialising going on. The answer to “Useless projects are funded with EU money” starts with “National and regional authorities in the EU countries select projects which they think meet their needs best in line with the strategies and priorities agreed with the Commission.” Which isn’t saying that EU money doesn’t found useless projects, but implicitly blames regional authorities for it. I don’t even think they want to mislead, here, they simply want to stay diplomatic.
(This video about the canopy walk is brilliant. (enable subtitles)).
I think that qualifies as propaganda too: its intention is to improve the public opinion of the Cohesion policy by clearing misconceptions.
(About the “project” in the video… what the hell? I had to Google it because I wasn’t convinced it was a real thing. Just why?)
Corruption, that’s why. Similar to how the Italian mafia would half-build highway bridges with taxpayer money and then mysteriously have some shell company go bankrupt. OLAF is on it because of course they are when stuff makes the press. If they have a case EPPO will take over at which point that Hungarian mayor will have the questionable honour of being up against the gal who cleaned up Romania… before Hungarian courts. If those turn out to be corrupt then that’s going to buy the mayor time but ultimately the ECJ would overrule them. Still no mechanism to actually set boots on member state grounds but Hungary is already on thin ice when it comes to getting suspended from the EU for various reasons, they’re going to tread lightly.
See if you want to be corrupt in the EU you have to do it like the big boys: Implement some policy, then get a cushy job at a company. Or receive tons of money for boring private speeches. Something like that, directly grabbing into state coffers is so uncivilised.
EDIT: Oh, Hungary didn’t join EPPO, figures. They can still freeze assets, though. Also if I understand things correctly our mayor would turn into a fugitive in the rest of the EU.
Yes, I figured but… isn’t that a bit too obvious? Surely there had to be a less blatant way of laundering money than… a treetop walk with no trees?
It’s also lazy and they’re used to not getting investigated or even called out. But even if prosecution is high and you’re not lazy you get corrupt politicians doing blatantly obvious stuff like the mask scandal in Germany, making a fortune of selling FFP2 masks at ludicrous markups to the state: Their behaviour was not technically illegal (laws got adjusted since then), the only one who got prosecuted got prosecuted for tax evasion, not corruption.
It’ll make you feel infinitely better all around. I got rid of mine almost a year ago.
Deleting it for 3 years also improves mental health and keeps toxic family members out of your business. I wish I’d learned that sooner.
Just never accept the friend requests by family members, it isn’t worth it.
Even aside from politics, the only thing they do is comment dumb annoying gifs on your posts.
I think I’m closer to 10 years, but I do remember needing to recreate one for a few weeks while I worked with a few Facebook employees on a project.
Anyway, I don’t even know what Facebook looks like these days. My contacts occasionally mention it, but nothing important seems to happen there.
Just delete your account. It’s not a big deal, it’s just toxic people showing off for other toxic people.
YouTube is getting particularly bad about this to, unfortunately. They need to do more to remove harmful misinformation, but they don’t care because it won’t make them money.
I’ve had to remove a lot of recommendations. Man, PragerU, Crowder, Shapiro and Joe Rogan were in my feeds. Jeez.
The unfortunate thing is a lot of people won’t remove it from their recommendations and will watch it, and the worse thing is there’s actually even worse content than those you listed, it’s awful.
For real. Not logged in, on a new PC, just having watched a few gaming videos and got recommended US right wing nonsense. I am not in the US, no VPN, nothing. No ability to tell them to stop showing me that garbage. Hell, just let me disable shorts in general.
It really sucks that YT has such shit “don’t show me stuff” controls. Sometimes it feels like asking to not get recommended a certain channel will instead show all the alternatives that feel and look just like it
I have blocked so many right wing channels that my de facto suggestions after watching political shit is Zach gun rants, Arma ops, and Animarchy or one of the other NAFO associates. Its fucken great.
Youtube is good as a video hosting website, but bad as anything social-related. I just treat it like a video website and ignore the rest. Private browsing mode, no login used is my preferred way to access youtube videos
Honestly I prefer having an account specifically so I can filter out the garbage fake harmful dangerous content so I don’t have to see it.
Haven’t used facebook in any meaningful way since 2012. Much less anxiety ever since.
Same sentence but replace it with Instagram for me. I can’t help but peek into comments for some funny ones but they are all filled with vile stuff. Tiktok is no better but it’s definitely better than Instagram. Even worse half of those comments come from my country :(
the vast majority of nutbags with low key mental issues i meet are social media addicts who furiously want to bring their ‘curated’ image into the real world and force others to worship them.
the others nutbags are homeless folks.
Can we start some viral alliteration to get people off Facebook for a few weeks? Or maybe get them more mindful of their social media consumption?
Make Memories Matter May?
Just Journal June?
Just Jibe July?
Authentic August?
Send Stamps September?
Offline October?
No Negativity November?
legit offline October is great, and works as a grassroots movement. I’m having an “offline October” is akin to when my friends and I do Dry July. I’m going to start doing this (despite the fact that I haven’t used social media in 2 years)
Gotta spin the news so it makes it more appealing. Good way to spin the headline is it “reboots your bullshit detector”.
Has to be fully grassroots though. I don’t think many influencers will promote it, they’re the most addicted and it’s literally their livelihood.
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You can find my part of this new online activism here
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How about Analogue August or Stop Scrolling September?
I’ll also say, Offline October is pretty dang good.
I’d vote for Anal August for sure!
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There’s something on the tip of my tongue. Something like ____ Zuck. Something that rhymes, and expresses how I feel about him and his platform. I just can’t quite put my finger on it…
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I deleted my account back in November when they enforced the ‘pay or ok’ option. I was not ok with that
Have read a lot of books since !
What’s “pay or ok”?
In EU you were given an option by META to pay for adfree experience or accept targeted ads
Problem 1: if you paid, they would not stop tracking you. They would just stop showing ads. They would still be able to suggest content from commercial accounts.
Problem 2: the price was unreasonable. It depended on how many accounts you have across the platforms but i believe that the price for my profile and a couple of pages was €32 every month
Problem 3: these two options replaced the option to accept untargeted ads. I was ok with untargeted but they removed the option
Their solution has since been deemed as ‘not ok’ by the EU data protection board
euractiv.com/…/eu-data-protection-body-says-metas…
perhaps if they pay, pay or ok will be ok?
I left FB back in 2020 among other social media accounts.
The problem with people, just in general… regardless of who they are, what they believe in, what part of the world they live in… they just read headlines and quickly post it for attention. They don’t take the time to read it, ingest it, question it, find other sources to provide more details or to counter the story. People don’t care to have a holistic view of an issue and that’s sad. At the same time I also blame the chitty producers of said news and the titles they decide to go with and how they love to bury the more important information 4-5-6-7 paragraphs or more down the page… you have to read all this bs fluff to finally get to the meat and potatoes of the issue.
I’m hoping that some how, some way, an unbiased AI is created just for internet search purposes, where it can gather all the data, analyze it, then present its findings into a summary with all the sources listed.
Shut it down like Tiktok. Those platforms are brainwashing people into believing far right and far left ideas.
But, but I like far left ideas. The pictures about people dancing in circles, living in communities without the need of money, make me giggle.
Time to start a Facebook account. /s
That isn’t far left though.
More like overthrowing governments, disbanding corporations, abolishing personal properties, completely removing currency, controlling speech, …
I myself am a socialist, but what you describe is closer to centre left than far left.
Yes those are the problematic fantasies that corporate social media is brainwashing people towards. Too many of the youth are wasting their time on fantasies of revolution when they could be acting within the scope of reality to achieve something actually meaningful.
They would be better off actually working instead of wasting their time protesting and getting useless degrees
Okay my comment was a little bit sarcastic, but there is some truth in it. Removing currency and removing private property isnt that bad. How would we live then? You just have your skills and trade/offer them every day against the skills of someone else, who makes food for example. No third person would make profit of your trade. Sounds better then what we have actually. Today the Top 10% literally do nothing and get all things they want.
But removing everything sounds odd, I know. Let’s start simple: how about it isn’t allowed to have more than 1 mio. Dollars. I mean 1 mio. is a lot. If you have more you pay 100% tax. Nobody needs more than 1 mio.
Btw “controlling speech” is one of the far right favourites, not left.
We tried the “trade your skills for something you need”. In every surviving society it eventually lead to the development of a currency (not hard to see why), which requires/leads to regulation, which requires enforcement, aaaand you’re back at a modern society. I’m all for more regulation to reduce economic and social differences in society, but the people that are talking about abolishing governments and currencies need to pick up a history book and follow their ideas to their natural conclusion.
“Controlling speech” is a hallmark of authoritarian governments, be they far-left or far-right, there are plenty of historical examples of both.
Damn those far left ideals like liveable wages!
I think Tiktok can often be creative and informative, which Facebook is definitely not though. I don’t use Tiktok but what people have sent me have usually been funny.
I’ve seen quite a few commies on Lemmy. Just saying.
Lol. Yeah that’s the problem with society today; Mark Zuckerberg is turning the kids into commies!
One of the best decisions I made was deleting my Facebook. I really mean that, one of the best decisions in my entire life. Not getting sucked into the absolute bullshit fest that greedy shit fuckers like Mark Zuckerberg set up for humanity is extremely relieving. Don’t compare yourself to other people, you be you, just try to be your best self, it’s worth it. Don’t let the billionaire leeches of society take everything from you, fuck Facebook.
The downside is that everyone around you in real life is stuck in that loop, so you can’t really escape it anymore.
Eh, someone needs to be the first to exit the matrix.
Facebook is 100% shitposts. Most of my friends on it have aged out of posting every little thing and so it’s mostly shitposts and soft core porn disguised as short form videos on the Facebook feed and not any of my friends that I actually wanted to follow when I made my account in the 00s.
I really want to delete my account but I still have to use it to organize class reunions and alumni events for my old high school. I’m going to try to float the idea that we move to a mailing list instead. I’d rather buy a domain and maintain a website for that than continue using Facebook for free
My mother in law entered some contest where the votes had to be verified through Facebook. It was the first time I logged in since 2016 or so. The majority of my feed was AI pics of kids missing limbs, or chicks with impossibly large tits/body proportions with the description “Please wish me a happy birthday no one else did” with 40 hashtags of celeb names or movies/shows that came out around then. Mixed in was fake news bullshit or videos that had 4 different watermarks on it. Maybe if I used it more I would see somewhat relevant things, but its worse than I thought if that’s a normal feed.
Start a signal group and people may start switching their messenger altogether.
OP buried the wider point: People gotta be completely brainwashed and delusional to believe in political participation.
irrational belief based on fantasy fuels people to action a lot more than rational belief based in reality.
because the former is exciting and meaningful, the latter is boring and mundane.
hence why the crazies tend to believe in cabal conspiracies of evil people whom they must fight against. whereas your average voter is like ‘who do i want to have a beer with and make me feel like i’m doing better financially… i’ll vote him’
Can confirm giving up popular social media has made my life a lot better. You don’t need to know half the shit your friends are up to. It’s just going to hurt you. Go outside. Take part in trivia night. Make new friends. Feel the grass beneath your feet.
Deleting it all together is better.
For me social media in general is best at a minimum.
Don’t turn off Facebook! Mark has a Yacht to feed!
Replace “for just a few weeks” with “forever”, and “reduces” with “gets rid of”, and now you have an even better statement.
Permanently deleting all Facebook accounts and pages could save you even better.
Or even more better: just get rid or all social media that is associated with massive corporate giants (YouTube is still too useful to get rid of, but it dors still have lots of problems)
The last time I logged on to Facebook was this past fall because there was a death in our fairly tight knit group of high school classmates. It had been three or four years since I’d been in there.
So I went on and said my words.
While I was there, I didn’t really notice what was in my feed.
What I noticed was suddenly I was getting notification after notification that my posts from years and years ago were getting deleted because they didn’t fit whatever the current terms and conditions of use were.
This amused me.
So I left my words of dead classmate up for a week then sent my account silent again.
I can’t see Facebook or any social media being a place I ever hang out again, which is a little bit of a bummer because without any social media, IRL social activities all but come to an immediate and total halt.
Oh well. I’ll live.
So I was right when I thought social media is propelling us to collapse and that it is analogous to cigarettes on a collective scale.
Small solace though, it already permeated every corner of civilization changing us in mostly bad ways.
I think we really need to choose our social media carefully knowing that every type has their own mental illness flavour risks from body dysmorphia to groupthink. We need to be self aware of our shortcomings and tricks employed by corps for harvesting engagement.
Nowadays you turn off your brain and browse social media to relax but you should rather do the opposite. Focus the brain knowing the site was purposefully made to trick you to spend as much time on it as possible and invest as much emotions as possible. This isn’t some harmless casual leisure activity, you become a cog in a corporation war for information when you open the site. On unfriendly territory, a battlefield of digital war, you ought to wear a helmet at least.
I still don’t think this would save my mom from whichever TV source she watches, Fox News, News Max, or OAN.
Can you get into her parental controls? Someone on Reddit did that with their parents and it actually got them somewhere.
I blocked fox news at my parents house for years until my dad died. probably saved the remaining years we had together.
I deleted Facebook Jan 7 2021.
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I just created an account a couple of months ago after never using it. It’s easy to filter out the dummies.
I envy you. In my country (Hungary), I just cannot really live without it.
I still have Facebook but pretty much just for messaging… and honestly I don’t even check it.
I had 6 unread messages and 30 plus notifications when I checked a moment ago.
Pretty happy with the results.
Deleting Facebook forever reduces stress and desinformation long-term.
Left it long ago in 2017. Never looked back.
It’s a mental addiction itself. those who may try to detox themselves obviously will have to go through the withdrawal symptoms.
For my relatives Facebook’s not the problem, it’s all the far right wing propaganda on YouTube that makes claims without backing them up with any sort of evidence. The more they watch, the more they believe it, and the less they believe evidence to the contrary.
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I’ve seen like 7 people share this meme on Facebook about Netflix stock “tumbling” after donating to Harris. The ease with which people can be manipulated is absolutely terrifying. Like type “netflix stock” into the browser where you saw this and BOOM FACT CHECKED but they just accept internet memes as gospel and spread them accordingly.