TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 02:59
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I can’t root my Android phone right now to install something like LineageOS, but yesterday, I sat down, installed ADB, and got rid of a mountain of unnecessary crap that comes packaged with Android and which is installed as a “system package” so you’re not allowed to uninstall it normally (e.g. Gmail).
Unlocking bootloader/flashing isn’t so easy for most people. I root every device I get, but for normal users this process isn’t easy. Also some manufacturers aren’t so friendly towards people unlocking bootloaders. I remember Sony lowering camera quality when you unlocked/installed Cyanogenmod back in Z2 times, or more recently Asus preventing you from unlocking completely.
technohacker@programming.dev
on 06 Aug 2024 08:25
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Add HMD Nokia to the blocking unlocks completely camp
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 08:43
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Eupean banking apps refuse to launch on unlocked phones. And you need said banking apps as mandatory 2fa to log into your online banking system.
So in EU you gotta choose between banking and rooting.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu
on 06 Aug 2024 08:46
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Depends on the bank. Mine (BoursoBank) works on a rooted Lineage phone. I only had to add it to Magisk’s exclusion list.
Yeah you needed to install a program specifically to trick the banking app in to thinking it’s running on an unrooted device, because it otherwise won’t launch (because it’s rooted).
I’ve used magisk before, and its a major PITA to use. Every time you update your phone you need to redo the whole process of setting up magisk again, which requires connecting it to your PC to and running commands in the terminal. Huge fucking PITA.
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 09:24
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The apps of the three big European banks I have banked with were able to detect magisk and refused even when on the whitelist.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu
on 06 Aug 2024 09:27
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No you don’t. You simply need to run the Magisk app after an update but before rebooting.
Yeah tell that to my LineageOS installation.I had to disable magisk to update, otherwise it failed, and then I had to re-add a magisk generated file with the flashing tool for magisk to work again.
kokesh@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 08:54
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Denylist in magisk works for me in eu
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 09:22
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Didn’t work for me on a Samsung S6 or S10. Maybe I will try again some day but for now it’s not worth the risk of never being able to go back, thanks to the Samsung physical one-time fuse.
My next phone should be a Pixel with Graphene…
kokesh@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 10:27
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So Samsung doesn’t let users go back to stock & relock? That truly sucks!
Nonononoki@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 13:19
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S10 LineageOS user here: Works with Lygisk and the Play Integrity Fix module.
SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml
on 06 Aug 2024 14:31
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Try Kitsune Magisk. I had problems with regular Magisk but this one works really well so far.
ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 09:08
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The apps my bank uses run perfectly well on graphene
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 09:20
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Which is only available for a limited set of devices, does not have root, locks the bootloader again and is probably professional enough to get banks to approve their signing key.
For those reasons it is nor a viable solution for everyone.
ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 15:17
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Fair point, I just wanted to mention that there are unofficial, de-googled OSs that do work with banking apps so that newbies don’t get the wrong impression
Don’t throw in all of europe into one pot. The banks in my country still sell separate PIN machines for 2FA, which work great.
PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 09:17
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Oh right, I completely forgot about the separate device that you have to plug into your computer and then also plug your card into the deviceand then enter your pin. It’s almost as convenient as having the phone app!
ISOmorph@feddit.org
on 06 Aug 2024 11:17
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Well that sarcasm definitely backfired mate. The device I have is a QR Code scanner that works like a phone, with the important distinction that I can do with my actual phone what I damn well please.
cheddar@programming.dev
on 06 Aug 2024 14:02
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You are talking about the id card reader, not independent 2FA devices that generate codes. Also, in some countries you can get a SIM card with special certificates that can be used for identification and document signing, they work on virtually any modern phone. I think that feature uses the SMS protocol underneath, but I couldn’t find the confirmation.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 23:09
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Yeah, the bootloader really seems like a challenge. ADB fortunately is extremely easy, especially if you use a tool like App Manager from F-Droid to correspond package names to specific applications.
Just adb shell when your phone is in developer mode and you hook up to your computer via USB, then pm uninstall --user 0 packagename.
Nobody@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 03:11
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Lina Khan should be the next attorney general.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 06 Aug 2024 13:05
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Nah, I think she’s doing good work where she’s at.
Not really. It could be simply that in an effort to not appear biased he over corrected and ruled more harshly against Google.
Now I’m not saying that this is what happened here, but it’s just another facet of why it’s important to avoid bias entirely, not simply trust that someone can rise above them.
Kerred@lemmy.world
on 06 Aug 2024 12:29
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I can’t root my Android phone right now to install something like LineageOS, but yesterday, I sat down, installed ADB, and got rid of a mountain of unnecessary crap that comes packaged with Android and which is installed as a “system package” so you’re not allowed to uninstall it normally (e.g. Gmail).
It’s extremely easy.
Unlocking bootloader/flashing isn’t so easy for most people. I root every device I get, but for normal users this process isn’t easy. Also some manufacturers aren’t so friendly towards people unlocking bootloaders. I remember Sony lowering camera quality when you unlocked/installed Cyanogenmod back in Z2 times, or more recently Asus preventing you from unlocking completely.
Add HMD Nokia to the blocking unlocks completely camp
Eupean banking apps refuse to launch on unlocked phones. And you need said banking apps as mandatory 2fa to log into your online banking system.
So in EU you gotta choose between banking and rooting.
Depends on the bank. Mine (BoursoBank) works on a rooted Lineage phone. I only had to add it to Magisk’s exclusion list.
Yeah you needed to install a program specifically to trick the banking app in to thinking it’s running on an unrooted device, because it otherwise won’t launch (because it’s rooted).
I’ve used magisk before, and its a major PITA to use. Every time you update your phone you need to redo the whole process of setting up magisk again, which requires connecting it to your PC to and running commands in the terminal. Huge fucking PITA.
The apps of the three big European banks I have banked with were able to detect magisk and refused even when on the whitelist.
No you don’t. You simply need to run the Magisk app after an update but before rebooting.
Yeah tell that to my LineageOS installation.I had to disable magisk to update, otherwise it failed, and then I had to re-add a magisk generated file with the flashing tool for magisk to work again.
Denylist in magisk works for me in eu
Didn’t work for me on a Samsung S6 or S10. Maybe I will try again some day but for now it’s not worth the risk of never being able to go back, thanks to the Samsung physical one-time fuse.
My next phone should be a Pixel with Graphene…
So Samsung doesn’t let users go back to stock & relock? That truly sucks!
S10 LineageOS user here: Works with Lygisk and the Play Integrity Fix module.
Try Kitsune Magisk. I had problems with regular Magisk but this one works really well so far.
The apps my bank uses run perfectly well on graphene
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Which is only available for a limited set of devices, does not have root, locks the bootloader again and is probably professional enough to get banks to approve their signing key. For those reasons it is nor a viable solution for everyone.
Fair point, I just wanted to mention that there are unofficial, de-googled OSs that do work with banking apps so that newbies don’t get the wrong impression
Don’t throw in all of europe into one pot. The banks in my country still sell separate PIN machines for 2FA, which work great.
Oh right, I completely forgot about the separate device that you have to plug into your computer and then also plug your card into the deviceand then enter your pin. It’s almost as convenient as having the phone app!
Well that sarcasm definitely backfired mate. The device I have is a QR Code scanner that works like a phone, with the important distinction that I can do with my actual phone what I damn well please.
You are talking about the id card reader, not independent 2FA devices that generate codes. Also, in some countries you can get a SIM card with special certificates that can be used for identification and document signing, they work on virtually any modern phone. I think that feature uses the SMS protocol underneath, but I couldn’t find the confirmation.
Yeah, the bootloader really seems like a challenge. ADB fortunately is extremely easy, especially if you use a tool like
App Managerfrom F-Droid to correspond package names to specific applications.Just
adb shellwhen your phone is in developer mode and you hook up to your computer via USB, thenpm uninstall --user 0 packagename.Lina Khan should be the next attorney general.
Nah, I think she’s doing good work where she’s at.
If I am looking it up correctly, judge Amit Mehta was appointed by Obama (who had ties with Google), and still ruled google a Monopoly.
I just like stuff like this as it shows a judge can put bias aside in a ruling at least once, supposedly.
Not really. It could be simply that in an effort to not appear biased he over corrected and ruled more harshly against Google.
Now I’m not saying that this is what happened here, but it’s just another facet of why it’s important to avoid bias entirely, not simply trust that someone can rise above them.
Agreed
Except that bias is an inevitable consequence of human psychology. The trick is to minimize it.
Yes. That’s exactly my point. Minimizing it in this case means having a judge without any dotted line connections to Google.