Duolingo CEO tries to walk back AI-first comments, fails (htxt.co.za)
from Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world on 26 May 14:20
https://programming.dev/post/31063241

  • Following backlash to statements that Duolingo will be AI-first, threatening jobs in the process, CEO Luis von Ahn has tried to walk back his statement.
  • Unfortunately, the CEO doesn’t walk back any of the key points he originally outlined, choosing instead to try, and fail to placate the maddening crowd.
  • Unfortunately the PR team may soon be replaced by AI as this latest statement has done anything but instil confidence in the firm’s users.

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sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 26 May 14:45 next collapse

Reminds of Proto CEOs faux pas

Good to see the normie finally turning on these cult of personality clowns imitating Steve apple..

I can't be believe we had to suffer 15 years of it.

These parasites been getting high on their own farts for too long while normie LARPed everything they said.

lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org on 26 May 15:52 collapse

faux pas

Not much of a “faux” pas. Not only did he double down on it, but the board supported him.

addie@feddit.uk on 26 May 16:02 next collapse

The plural of faux pas is also faux pas, because you know, French. But this is less one false step in the dance, than doing entirely the wrong dance altogether.

lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org on 26 May 16:27 collapse

Oh thanks for re-teaching me that one! It’s been far too long since I last used French reallistically. Even tho it’s better that I took that than German, otherwise I’d understand the ich_iel memes which would make them lose half their charm.

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world on 26 May 18:23 collapse

“the board” lol yeah they used to be governing mechanisms instead of a clown car full of sycophants.

floofloof@lemmy.ca on 26 May 14:50 next collapse

“AI is creating uncertainty for all of us, and we can respond to this with fear or curiosity. I’ve always encouraged our team to embrace new technology (that’s why we originally built for mobile instead of desktop), and we are taking that same approach with AI. By understanding the capabilities and limitations of AI now, we can stay ahead of it and remain in control of our own product and our mission,” writes von Ahn.

Now please explain in more detail how this advice should be followed, practically, by someone you just fired because AI was cheaper. Give examples of how they can “stay ahead of it” so as to “remain in control of the product and mission” they are no longer employed to work on. How should they “embrace” this transition and “respond with curiosity” to no being newly unable to afford food or rent? “Uncertainty for all of us” my ass.

baggachipz@sh.itjust.works on 27 May 14:25 collapse

The former employees are now curious about how they will pay rent and eat, so there’s that.

kubica@fedia.io on 26 May 14:55 next collapse

What is the point of this news that talk about a walk back that is doing nothing to walk back?

ogmios@sh.itjust.works on 26 May 15:28 collapse

In 2025 everything is just a messaging problem to these goons.

SuiXi3D@fedia.io on 26 May 15:02 next collapse

I mean, it is too late. Canceled my sub, won't be coming back.

garretble@lemmy.world on 26 May 15:19 next collapse

Same. Deleted the app this weekend and let my 918 day streak evaporate.

I’m actually kind of surprised at how little it affected me, to be honest. I had a little bit pre-regret about losing the streak before deleting the app, but now a couple days later that feeling certainly doesn’t exist. AND there’s that benefit of no stupid owl guilt tripping you every day.

Phen@lemmy.eco.br on 26 May 15:37 collapse

Check out “Language Drops” and “Rosetta Stone” if you’re looking for replacements. They both have very different approaches to language learning (both from each other and from Duolingo), but their content is at the very least much better curated than Duolingo’s.

I haven’t gone out of my way to check but AFAIK neither of them is jumping on the AI-before-anything-else train.

db2@lemmy.world on 26 May 15:45 next collapse

Would you recommend one over the other and if so why?

jjjalljs@ttrpg.network on 26 May 16:07 next collapse

I just tried “Language Drops” and it was… interesting. It didn’t place me at the right level, so I got a very beginner lesson when I’m closer to intermediate (but definitely not fluent). I’m not sure I liked matching the pictures- the picture for “thank you” could mean different things depending on how you interpret the person’s face and body language- and then I hit the end of the free content for the day. It didn’t get to different tenses or even whole sentences- just basic vocabulary and no verbs. Maybe it ramps up quickly?

Phen@lemmy.eco.br on 26 May 16:27 collapse

Sometimes the icons annoy me too and I wish the app had an option to always show the icon’s label, but at least you can tap on the icon to see the label.

Phen@lemmy.eco.br on 26 May 16:34 collapse

As a complete beginner, Drops is pretty good for learning random words and increasing vocabulary. As you advance through it you start seeing sentences too, but it doesn’t teach you how to make your own sentences, only to memorize the ones they pre-created.

Rosetta Stone doesn’t translate anything. All of the content is in the language you want to learn and it tries to introduce you to things in a natural way. For example it shows a picture of someone biting an apple and says “the man eats an apple”, then later shows other pictures related to one or multiple men, fruits and verbs, so you can get used to the differences between things just by observing those.

garretble@lemmy.world on 26 May 17:18 next collapse

Thanks for the recommendations!

I have actually switched over to Mango Languages because my library gives free access to it.

But if I don’t end up liking that I’ll give these a shot.

gramie@lemmy.ca on 26 May 18:04 next collapse

My recommendation is Language Transfer, a freely-available system for multiple languages that, in my opinion, helps you to think in another language better than any other system I have tried.

msage@programming.dev on 27 May 12:57 collapse

It has only 10 languages :(

arrow74@lemm.ee on 26 May 19:54 next collapse

Many libraries also give out subscriptions.to Mango. That is usually a paid app and much better than doulingo

msage@programming.dev on 27 May 12:54 next collapse

Any recommendations for japanese?

Phen@lemmy.eco.br on 27 May 17:53 collapse

I think both of them have Japanese (I remember seeing Rosetta Stone being praised for its Japanese content 20 years ago and I hope it would only have improved since), but I haven’t gone very far in the language in either app.

andros_rex@lemmy.world on 27 May 13:10 collapse

Drops had an ai feature where it would show you a “fact” at the end of each session, which was often completely wrong etymology.

Uli@sopuli.xyz on 26 May 19:20 collapse

I canceled my sub, but sadly not out of principle on the AI thing. I just accidentally hit the button that accepts an upgrade to the family plan and it didn’t look like there was an easy way to undo it so I just killed the whole subscription.

EvilBit@lemmy.world on 26 May 15:15 next collapse

I hear good things about Pimsleur as an alternative.

www.pimsleur.com

garretble@lemmy.world on 26 May 15:21 next collapse

Interesting.

I have switched to Mango Languages because my library gives free access to it. So I’ve been trying to share that information with people. Or, at least, check your local library to see if they offer something.

EvilBit@lemmy.world on 26 May 15:28 collapse

That’s great advice. At least for as long as libraries still exist. 😫

BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 26 May 19:46 next collapse

Pimsleur has been making “real” language courses for 20+ years, you could get CD’s with languages back then, there should be plenty to choose from.

TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee on 27 May 12:00 next collapse

I used Pimsleur to get started on my L2 way back when. I am now pretty much fluent, after living immersively for a long time. The immersion, and dedication, and tutors, and language school did the heavy lifting. But Pimsleur gets big credit for helping me get started and get confidence.

acchariya@lemmy.world on 27 May 13:08 collapse

It can go either way, some people like the method, others hâte it because it’s not gamified. Pro tip, get pimsleur courses from your library if you want to try them for a real trial rather than what they give you

EndOfLine@lemmy.world on 26 May 16:31 next collapse

Where is the discussion for replacing CEOs with AI? Seems like predicting market trends based off of historical data and managing corporate resources would be just the sort of thing that AI would be good at. Plus it would cost way less and not require massive bonuses nor ownership of the company.

surewhynotlem@lemmy.world on 26 May 17:40 collapse

Well, the crux of the problem is that AI is trying to approximate intelligence. That’s not useful for a CEO.

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world on 26 May 18:23 next collapse

boom

WanderingThoughts@europe.pub on 26 May 20:48 collapse

Respec the AI with lots of points into Charisma and Legal Dexterity. It also needs a large amount of Gold to get started.

Ulrich@feddit.org on 26 May 16:34 next collapse

If you’re gonna be a shitty company and do shitty things, just STFU. I don’t know why they think they can talk their way out of it, it’s like they believe their own BS.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 26 May 16:47 collapse

Because it worked since Steve Apple did the iphone. techie bootlickers larped it all up, furiously defending "their CEO" from any criticism online. It has hard to do it now with out being called for being a pathetic bootlicker, so most don't even try any more.

The parasites are now learning that the sentiment has turned, it will take sometime until their "PR" consultants catch on and come with some new "act"

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world on 26 May 18:26 collapse

Point of order; Steve Apple actually did awesome shit. Macintosh, iphone, NExT, Pixar, saved an enshittening company, etc.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 26 May 18:28 collapse

sure... good for him but why does every fucking parasite now think they can fill his shoes?

and how were they able to this cosplay for this long with out being called for it?

homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world on 26 May 18:32 next collapse

Well, those are different questions . . .

WanderingThoughts@europe.pub on 26 May 20:45 collapse

Those rich idiots figure you just have to act a certain way, and they conveniently forget that you also need the talent to justify the act instead of just being born with a silver spoon. It´s also that silver spoon shields them from many of the consequences and being called out.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 26 May 20:47 collapse

Amen!

Daedskin@lemm.ee on 26 May 16:42 next collapse

Last year in February I uninstalled the app on a perfect, 2000-day streak when I got the first whiff of AI; I’m probably never going back

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net on 27 May 06:20 collapse

Now say it in Spanish.

paequ2@lemmy.today on 26 May 16:51 next collapse

Any recommended alternatives?

TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee on 27 May 12:02 collapse

workbooks and videoes and a good dictionary

thousands of great tutors are on sites like iTalki too

iconic_admin@lemmy.world on 26 May 16:54 next collapse

I just started using Duolingo to learn Spanish. Can anyone recommend alternatives they have had success with that function the same way?

Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf on 26 May 18:41 next collapse

Anki is free. If you need gamification, then perhaps memrize is for you. I’d just go with anki though. Ankidroid is a good app to work with the anki decks.

Akuchimoya@startrek.website on 26 May 20:04 next collapse

I tried out a bunch, including Babbel, Busuu, Language Transfer, Mango, and Memrise. I didn’t like them for one reason or another. I finally landed on Lingodeer. It’s similar to Duolingo, but it is a paid app. (You can try level 1 of any language for free.)

The regular subscription price is definitely not worth it. It’s okay (not great, but not awful) when they do their sales. But I felt okay about paying human workers.

This kind of learning is a great start, but will only get you so far. If your local library has access to Kanopy, look for the Great Courses series on Spanish. I thought that was an excellent series after a little bit of Duolingo.

Litebit@lemmy.world on 27 May 04:39 collapse

Use free Anki and get a free 1k or 5k high-frequency community deck from Anki website. Or get Refold 1k deck (paid) for anki.

If you find Anki too complicated and you don’t mind paying a sub (look for discount/vouchers), use lingvist (paid) or memrise (not sure how this app is now after the changes) to learn 1k words. Any app that focuses on high frequency vocab is fine I think.

Cancel subscription once you have learnt 1k words or can read comfortably a simple native book or graded books, or understand a podcast designed for learner (example InnerFrench), probably will take 1-3 months at about 10-30 words a day.

The main difference between 1k and 5k decks is that the 5k decks include very common type of words like “the”, “a”, “he”, “she”, “is”, “are”, which are so high frequency that you will acquire them by just doing anything in the language. Either type of deck is fine, it is up to you.

Try reading graded readers with audio at the same time as you are going through your deck so you are getting more context for new words you learn. You will encounter new words while reading before seeing them in the deck, which has a positive effect in remembering the word. Reading also helps serve to test how much you have improved in using the language.

Read up on some basic high frequency grammar in your target language. Depending on language you will have to also actively learn the alphabet, numbers, phonic and so on before doing any of the above.

The main idea of learning high frequency vocab is to start consuming content as soon as possible. Never forget that using(reading, listening, writing, speaking) the language is the main purpose of learning languages.

If you like gamification and keeping scores, count the books/article read, count the words learnt, count the hours spend listening don’t count coins or gems.

Anki - apps.ankiweb.net
AnkiDroid - play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ichi2.a…
Anki shared decks - ankiweb.net/shared/decks?search=french
Refold decks - refold.la/category/decks/?show=all
Lingvist - lingvist.com

Brewchin@lemmy.world on 26 May 17:56 next collapse

Classic “I’ve made a HUGE mistake” moment from yet another “thought leader” suffering from AI/layoff FOMO. 🙄

AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works on 26 May 18:39 next collapse

In another thread someone told me you can buy gems or something to keep your streak going.

That would’ve made me uninstall long before his comments.

KRAW@linux.community on 26 May 20:33 next collapse

I remember easily getting gems for free. Also the streak basically doesn’t matter at all. What made me uninstall is the slow pace. It felt like I was stuck on the same words and topics forever. It felt like I was not actually learning anything, which if you’ve ever started learning a language if a formal setting, is very apparent.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 26 May 23:04 next collapse

I’ve found it’s best for drilling and not for learning. You’ll probably learn faster by reading a textbook or listening to something like the Michel Thomas method that gets you speaking super fast. Then you can hop on Duolingo and make it stick. The secret is knowing the vocabulary beforehand to finish the lessons faster by focusing on your accuracy instead. It’s still a lot of grinding, though. 😅

zaphod@sopuli.xyz on 27 May 12:52 collapse

The old tree system was much better, it allowed you to mix exercises from different topics. The new path system locks you into one topic until you know all the sentences by rote.

QualifiedKitten@discuss.online on 27 May 14:06 collapse

They changed that a couple years ago, right? I think that was when I quit.

LodeMike@lemmy.today on 26 May 21:19 next collapse

Theres also basically zero server side-checking on anything. Hacked APKs let you get premium features for free :3

Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net on 26 May 22:32 next collapse

Got any recommendations for where to find said APKs?

anon_8675309@lemmy.world on 26 May 22:59 next collapse

Just a guess , but maybe the extra net by the bay of torrent.

LodeMike@lemmy.today on 27 May 08:40 collapse

Mobilism.

Mildren@lemmy.world on 26 May 22:47 collapse

That’s awful! Could you please let me know where these APKs are hosted so that I may avoid them?

LodeMike@lemmy.today on 27 May 08:41 collapse

Mobilism.

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 26 May 23:49 next collapse

I’m a long time user of Duolingo and you earn plenty to give yourself the occasional streak freeze if you can’t go two days without doing a lesson. It’s not really as predatory as it sounds. It’s nothing like pay to win type games.

Fuck Duolingo for the AI shit though, don’t mistake me for a Duolingo simp thinking their blameless. It’s just that the monetization is not as predatory as it sounds.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 27 May 00:19 next collapse

I have so many could probably keep a streak foing indefinitely without ever doing a lesson, but I’d need to log in every couple days to repurchase the streak freeze.

AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works on 27 May 00:22 next collapse

Ah, okay, thanks for the info! I’ve never used Duolingo so I genuinely don’t know.

finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 27 May 01:20 next collapse

I think it should be added that people who pay premium get infinite lives, everyone else gets 1 life every 6-ish hours with a maximum of 5, meaning they can answer wrong at most 5 times and fail a lesson, forcing them to do a recap practice lesson to earn a heart and then retry the lesson with only 1 heart or they’re just done for the day.

It’s kind of pay to win.

J52@lemmy.nz on 27 May 02:26 next collapse

I have so many bonus points, I just get 5 new hearts. I find the lack of grammer in the free version holding me back (possibly by design, so I’ll finally pay for something). I think it’s time to leave for me too (I didn’t enjoy the gaming side and won’t tolerate AI integration, even if it’s free).

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 27 May 03:24 collapse

To win what? The lessons are not competitive.

finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 27 May 03:40 collapse

  1. There actually is a weekly leaderboard bracket where you compete with about 30 to 50 other people.

  2. Completing a lesson is winning, losing all your lives is losing.

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 27 May 05:04 collapse

A completely optional, side objective that has no bearing on anything else? You can completely ignore the leader board and still progress. It’s not competitive.

finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 27 May 05:05 next collapse

Yeah of course, winning or losing a game has no bearing on anything. It’s still winning or losing.

The main objective is to complete lessons. You have to pay to do that or wait for energy to replenish.

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 27 May 10:41 next collapse

No, you don’t. It’s only when you lose hearts. You get to make 5 mistakes. You can use gems to replenish them or they replenish over time. After playing for a while you earn plenty of gems to restore your hearts mid lesson every now and then. You can watch an ad to replenish your hearts between lessons, but not during. If you’re not making mistakes then you can keep going. It’s not that difficult to not make mistakes either, a lot of times they flat out give you the answer by tapping on words.

There are plenty of things to shit on Duolingo as a company. Calling the app pay to win really isn’t one.

zaphod@sopuli.xyz on 27 May 12:46 collapse

The main objective is not to complete lessons, but to learn. If you use up all your hearts because you make too many mistakes you’re obviously not learning. At that point Duolingo completely fails though, instead of telling you to go back and practice, it asks if you want to buy hearts with in-game currency or switch to the paid super max hyper ultra AI whatever it’s now called for unlimited hearts. Unlimited hearts doesn’t give you shit though, it allows you to bruteforce your way through the lessons to get XP to rank up in the completely optional leaderboards, it doesn’t help you learn. It’s only pay to win if you see it as a game and not as a language learning app.

zaphod@sopuli.xyz on 27 May 12:40 collapse

You can set your profile to private to completely disable the leaderboard stuff.

SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org on 27 May 02:42 next collapse

Nobody has ever learned a language by using Duolingo anyways. It’s an app that lets you pretend your are doing something useful with your life instead of just slaving away at your job enriching others.

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 27 May 03:21 next collapse

Jesus fucking Christ, lighten up lol.

Sonor@lemmy.world on 27 May 08:58 collapse

the realest comment on lemmy, ever

Smokeless7048@lemmy.world on 27 May 03:39 collapse

I have definitely learned a lot of Spanish from Duolingo, and while I’m not fluent, i went from being able to count to able to hold some basic conversations with Spanish people i know.

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 27 May 05:29 collapse

You’re just pretending you are doing something useful with your life instead of just slaving away at your job enriching others.

/s, obviously. What a wild take they have.

Smokeless7048@lemmy.world on 27 May 15:43 collapse

You had me to the /s, NGL

Empricorn@feddit.nl on 27 May 13:21 collapse

“Freezing” your streak is just silly, even if they offer it for free. Is this just for online clout, so you can brag (falsely) to others how long you haven’t broken a streak?

If an alcoholic goes 10 years without drinking, then has a beer, the streak is broken. Doesn’t mean you can’t recover and improve, but it is what it is. It’s dishonest to pretend it didn’t happen, especially if you’re comparing yourself to others…

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 27 May 14:25 collapse

Really comparing missing a day of a language learning app to alcoholism recovery?

Your streak doesn’t go up on days you use a freeze.

Empricorn@feddit.nl on 27 May 14:40 collapse

No? It was a comparison of the streak, not the subject of the streak. That was just an example. My point remains. Unless you can literally stop time, the streak died. It’s okay that it did, but why pretend it didn’t?

JackbyDev@programming.dev on 27 May 14:51 collapse

If you can’t see why someone might have a different criteria for a streak in days without alcohol as a recovering addict and days in usage of a learning application I can’t help you.

wccrawford@lemmy.world on 27 May 13:50 collapse

It’s worse than that.

Yes, you can pay for a streak freeze. If you don’t, you’ll probably find that you were given one for free anyhow. You’d have wasted your gems.

Yes, you can pay to undo a streak loss. It’s more than paying for a freeze.

It’ll give you multiple chances to pay for all that, too. If you’re out for days and then come back, you can pay to fix your streak.

What is the point of a streak if you can just buy your way back to it?

Also, I had paid for the last couple years, which (IIRC) includes free streak freezes. It still asked if I want to pay for them. I’d say no, and find I had one anyhow, or a friend had miraculously given me one.

But during the last year (365 days) my streak was actually only at 190 or so because I’d used so many streak freezes that I got for free. I wasn’t even trying to keep my streak.

When I finally let my streak die, the icon started trying to guilt trip me into coming back with horrible icons of Duo being sad, heartbroken, or even dead.

The constant mental manipulation that was well beyond what gamification should ever be was what finally drove me to just quit playing altogether. I had already canceled my sub long ago, but I’m not even going to use the remainder of this year I’ve already paid for.

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 26 May 19:51 next collapse

The missing comma in the second bullet point changes the meaning of the sentence.

Kalysta@lemm.ee on 27 May 00:36 next collapse

I deleted the app the second he said this. Get fucked, AI.

finitebanjo@lemmy.world on 27 May 01:18 collapse

Make sure you also start the account deletion process.

dustyData@lemmy.world on 27 May 00:38 next collapse

Tl;Dr: skip the apps unless they’re part of a bigger in-person course. Prefer reputable sources like pimsleur and mango languages. If you have no rush, get graded readers and watch a lot of YouTube, podcasts, etc.

Ok, so here are my two cents on learning languages and the whole category of learning apps. They are all flawed on some major way or another. But mostly it is about pacing learning progress.

Teaching absolute beginners is easy. They know nothing, thus anything you show them will be progress. The actual difficulty when learning a language is finding appropriate material for your level of understanding, such that you understand most of it, but still find new things to learn. This is known as comprehensible input. The difficulty of most apps is that they are not capable of detecting then adapting study content accordingly to the student’s progress. So they typically go way too slow, or sometimes too fast. Leaving the student frustrated and halting learning.

Jumping with some nonzero knowledge into any app is also torture. It’s known as the valley of despair. The beginner content is too boring and dull, now that you know a bit, but the intermediate level is way too much of a gap for you yet.

My advice is to skip language learning apps. The “motivation via gamification hypothesis” is flawed and lacks nuance and understanding of behavioral science. People don’t stop studying out of a lack of tokens, gems, streaks or achievement badges. It’s because the content itself is uninteresting and bores them. Sure, the celebration and streaks work at first, but they usually lose effect by something known as reinforcement depreciation. The same stimulus shown too much or too frequently stops being gratifying. The biggest reward for learning a language is actually using it.

A method that is known to work is to find graded readers. Watch a lot of YouTube, podcasts, social media, in the target language (avoid the language learning influencers) listen to native influencers speaking about topics you care about. Books work, in-person courses work, learning apps are good to start you up form absolute zero. But most learning happens on what you do in your everyday life. Using the language is the most effective way of becoming good at the language. Everything else is just excuses for using it.

clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world on 27 May 03:16 next collapse

exactly. I also don’t appreciate the app changing the icon to guilt trip me back into their odd choice of/irrelevant vocabulary that I am supposed to learn

Kuma@lemmy.world on 27 May 17:46 next collapse

You put into words exactly how I’ve felt about language learning apps. Every time I try a game or app that’s supposed to teach you, it feels like I’m starting over, and it never actually becomes fun. I tried Duolingo, but after a while, I found myself just doing super easy lessons to keep my streak going so I wouldn’t have to sit through the boring ones. It felt pretty bad, so I stopped using it when I hit 800 days.

My friend didn’t use any apps and instead started by texting and talking with people and managed to learn Korean in just a year, well enough for casual, everyday conversations or hobby-related stuff. Meanwhile, I’ve been using apps and still can’t hold a conversation with anyone…

elbarto777@lemmy.world on 27 May 20:22 collapse

…or join a reputable language learning academy and go to class in person.

Though I know this is not for everyone. But neither is self-learning online.

SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world on 27 May 00:57 next collapse

AI is social cancer

It’s a lie told by marketing companies that have gaslit artists into automating their creativity and gaslit governments into automating fascism

echodot@feddit.uk on 27 May 13:12 next collapse

Automated fascism completely defeats the purpose of fascism. The whole point is to lord power over people, if a computer is going to do it automatically then it’s no fun.

elbarto777@lemmy.world on 27 May 20:24 collapse

AI is social lung cancer. Behind social media, which is social bone cancer metastasized.

jhonmu648@discuss.tchncs.de on 27 May 03:49 next collapse

Just say AI bad use is cancer for human kind. Good use can help humans to do their task with less effort. So its all depend on usage.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 27 May 05:40 next collapse

I love this headline so, so much

Amir@lemmy.ml on 27 May 09:44 collapse

I want every headline to end with “…, fails”

elbarto777@lemmy.world on 27 May 20:20 collapse

“Amir, on his way to become successful in life…”

k0e3@lemmy.ca on 27 May 09:10 next collapse

If anyone wants to practice their Japanese or have questions, they can message me.

Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub on 27 May 09:38 collapse

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Hupf@feddit.org on 27 May 10:42 next collapse
k0e3@lemmy.ca on 27 May 11:35 collapse

主よ、如何なさいましたか。

Jimmycakes@lemmy.world on 27 May 11:51 next collapse

Bragging about replacing your employees publicly over and over before actually being able to do so might cause an employee crisis

nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 27 May 12:06 next collapse

boring, broken garbage content. monthly subscription fee. get the fuck out of here

arc@lemm.ee on 27 May 13:03 next collapse

What I’d wonder is why it’s such massive expensive for Duolingo to hire 2 or 3 people to cover a language anyway. Presumably most of the work is contractual - hire somebody competent to produce a course, get somebody to say the lines, refine the course based on feed back and that’s mostly it.

barnacul@lemmy.world on 27 May 14:26 next collapse

Terminal MBA brain

Kuma@lemmy.world on 27 May 17:21 collapse

I would assume it is more about time than money. It is a big investment making a whole functional system with llm (I have a hard time believing it is actually AI), it will cost a lot if done wrong (just like everything else). You can’t just prompt “make a course in Spanish” and get anything good out of it and you still need ppl who can quality check the output. I could see them use it to mass produce sentences and stories in different levels (not the actual story) and voice recordings, but not actually anything creative and I would assume that is the goal. But we have seen too many shitty products to believe in anything with llm.

echodot@feddit.uk on 27 May 13:09 next collapse

How do these people become CEOs they’re as thick as several short planks nailed together.

Firstly every single company that has tried to replace its employees with AI has always ended up having issues. Secondly even if that wasn’t the case, people are not going to be happy about it so it’s not something you should brag publicly about.

If you’re going to replace all of your employees with AI just do it quietly, that way if it fails it’s not a public failure, and if it succeeds (it won’t) then you talk about it.

ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world on 27 May 13:19 next collapse

If they do it quietly, they won’t get the stock price bump every company gets from saying they’re going to replace (costly) employees with AI.

HeartyOfGlass@lemm.ee on 27 May 14:23 next collapse

Intelligence has nothing to do with success. These people are born into wealth, are wealth-adjacent, or are expert ass-kissers.

floofloof@lemmy.ca on 27 May 18:27 collapse

They also tend to be more greedy than others for wealth, status and power, and not imaginative enough to see that life is about more than this. So they dedicate their life to crawling up to the top of the corporate heap while everyone else gets on with actual real stuff.

nandeEbisu@lemmy.world on 27 May 14:46 next collapse

People who are smart in one or two domains often overestimate how smart they are in other domains. They develop a mental model, confirm it quickly, and never re-asses it.

The issue with AI, is we’re probably hitting our first real S curve with the current technology’s performance but a lot of people who bet big are only see the exponential part and assuming there won’t be a level off, or that the level of is far away.

There is no Moore’s law for AI.

ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml on 27 May 15:04 next collapse

How do these people become CEOs they’re as thick as several short planks nailed together.

Being a CEO has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence, I guarantee you that Duolingo has employees who are far more intelligent than the CEO.

sturger@sh.itjust.works on 28 May 00:10 collapse

People keep forgetting that these companies’ product is stock price, not whatever they’re advertising at any given moment.
Their “CEOs” have gotten sloppy because the grift has gotten so easy they naturally assume everyone is in on it. If everyone is in on the grift, there’s no need to lie about it.

Child_of_the_bukkake@lemmy.cafe on 27 May 14:34 next collapse

There should be a federated system for blocking IP ranges that other server operators within a chain of trust have already identified as belonging to crawlers. A bit like fediseer.com, but possibly more decentralized.

(Here’s another advantage of Markov chain maze generators like Nepenthes: Even when crawlers recognize that they have been served garbage and they delete it, one still has obtained highly reliable evidence that the requesting IPs are crawlers.)

Also, whenever one is only partially confident in a classification of an IP range as a crawler, instead of blocking it outright one can serve proof-of-works tasks (à la Anubis) with a complexity proportional to that confidence. This could also be useful in order to keep crawlers somewhat in the dark about whether they’ve been put on a blacklist.

elbarto777@lemmy.world on 27 May 20:19 collapse

Did you comment on the wrong thread?

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 27 May 14:54 next collapse

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elbarto777@lemmy.world on 27 May 20:14 collapse

I gotta say, the icon of Duo looking like this, plus a snot coming out of one of its nostrils is what did it for me. No way to turn off this “feature” either. I’m not easily grossed out, so seeing it once or twice would have given me a chuckle. Seeing it every time I opened my phone? Nope.

I knew I wouldn’t be renewing my subscription right there and then (there were other reasons, but that one moved the decision faster.)

pyre@lemmy.world on 27 May 20:18 collapse

wait what… they made the official icon look miserable and added snot? wtf?

elbarto777@lemmy.world on 27 May 20:28 next collapse

Yup! Google “Duolingo snot icon” and it will be the first image result.

Or you could visit the orange site and check it out there:

reddit.com/…/im_sick_right_now_and_this_is_the_ap…

pyre@lemmy.world on 27 May 21:07 collapse

holy fuck

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml on 29 May 15:00 collapse

I think on iOS they added a thing where it would change based on the days you didn’t use Duolingo. Honestly at this point I think it speaks more about the sorry state of their company more than anything.

cley_faye@lemmy.world on 27 May 17:56 next collapse

People are unfair with this “CEO”. Its statement helped me move on from duolingo, which has seen significant decline in quality while never going beyond “a moderately bad way to start learning”, toward better, more developed, more cared for, cheaper, solutions.

So, thanks for that.

tehitype@programming.dev on 27 May 18:48 collapse

Please do share :)

cley_faye@lemmy.world on 27 May 19:29 collapse

I’m mainly interested in Japanese, so I’m currently looking at www.renshuu.org . In addition to just throwing random stuff at you, it gots some more in-depth training, explanations of stuff (something that never happened in duolingo), additional hints for alphabets including some mnemonics, and years of dedicated experience in the language. I can’t tell how it would feel long term, but so far even having some basic explanations is a great improvement.

Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip on 27 May 20:45 collapse

I’m not gonna lie, I stopped using Renshuu due to having other resources at hand and because it just looks so rough, but I think it’s great for a free resource. The fact that they offer a shit ton of vocab/grammar/kanji study sets for free and community built ones is reminiscent of Anki, and Renshuu also uses a SRS. Lots of customization for reviews and answer options.

It’s certainly nowhere as eye-catching and addictive as Duolingo is, so beginners are probably more likely to give up than if they used Duolingo. But honestly, that site lost the point of what learning a language was supposed to be about anyway.

Sometimes I feel I should pick it back up, but at this point I want to focus more on reading/watching content for practice/learning.

LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world on 27 May 17:56 next collapse

crazy how fast they ruined the reputation of this company. just a couple months ago, duo mascot and Duolingo streaks were cool and fun. they had a good thing going. but now it’s just another shit tech company again. they lost all the good will in like a month.

Pro@programming.dev on 27 May 18:42 next collapse

crazy how fast they ruined the reputation of this company.

they lost all the good will in like a month.

Twitter enter the chat

Revan343@lemmy.ca on 27 May 20:25 collapse

Twitter was going downhill hard already when Musk bought the place

possumparty@lemm.ee on 28 May 01:32 collapse

I uninstalled yesterday, good riddance Duo.

underline960@sh.itjust.works on 27 May 18:37 next collapse

FTFY: Pretends to walk back his statements. Fools no one.

Seefoo@lemmy.world on 27 May 20:29 next collapse

except his AI.

ilinamorato@lemmy.world on 27 May 21:36 collapse

So…tries and fails? 😛

CruzRamirezfan2013@leminal.space on 28 May 02:13 collapse

Duolingo is one of those fad apps that are overrated but are exquisitely trash once you force yourself to use them just to say “Hey, I have learned a language!”. Honestly, it was pretty funny seeing Duolingo comment on videos on all that despite it feeling forced, replacing it with AI just signifies Duolingo’s slow and painful demise