Is it cheaper to cut down a forest than to buy a agriculture field?
Random123@fedia.io
on 22 Aug 2024 18:15
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Probably since physical labor jobs is valued so cheap and thats not mentioning that immigrants are easily used for that kind of work for even cheaper
BlackLaZoR@fedia.io
on 22 Aug 2024 18:23
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Depends. If you need specific location for logistic reasons, in the long run it might be
woelkchen@lemmy.world
on 22 Aug 2024 19:55
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Is it cheaper to cut down a forest than to buy a agriculture field?
That area was planted to be cut down. It was a monoculture for wood harvesting and the surrounding area still is, AFAIK. The only change to the original plan has been to not plant young trees again after cutting everything down and instead build a factory.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub
on 22 Aug 2024 20:01
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Effectively, they did buy an agriculture field.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
on 22 Aug 2024 18:15
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Wanna bet that gigafactory somehow gets closed down or cancelled before opening? Tesla might not even survive that long.
umbrella@lemmy.ml
on 22 Aug 2024 20:00
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kamenlady@lemmy.world
on 22 Aug 2024 21:45
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tabular@lemmy.world
on 22 Aug 2024 18:49
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When talking trade-offs you canât just compare a combustion engine to an electric engine, you gotta consider electric public transport too. This has the bonus of pissing on Musk.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Aug 2024 15:59
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I donât go out much but if I did an ebike is the way to go, if it wasnât raining.
yesman@lemmy.world
on 22 Aug 2024 19:04
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Mr. Musk, on a scale of 1-10, how tempted are you to build a bunker in Berlin?
MaggiWuerze@feddit.org
on 22 Aug 2024 19:29
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The âforestâ cut down there is just a wood farm. Thereâs no ecosystem lost, since these farm are basically sterile
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Aug 2024 12:26
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Trees are trees, they still have a huge impact on the environment.
EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world
on 23 Aug 2024 16:31
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Trees are trees, but trees arenât forests. And a trees donât have nearly the ecological impact of forests. In fact, in the U.S. and around the world we have the problem of way too many trees, which is causing apocalyptic ecological damage, because theyâre the wrong kind.
Cutting down all those trees in a tree farm isnât hurting the environment very much for the same reason that randomly planting a bunch of trees for a tree farm doesnât help the environment, which is why conservation is so important.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Aug 2024 15:56
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Thereâs no ecosystem lost, since these farm are basically sterile
Wow. All star naturalist here.
MaggiWuerze@feddit.org
on 23 Aug 2024 20:46
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As @Encrypt-Keeper put it so well:
Trees are trees, but trees arenât forests.
Forests are whatâs actually worth prtotecting. This is not different from a field of corn. There is no ecological value to a farm of pine trees. If you ever walked in one, you would know that.
Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
on 22 Aug 2024 20:03
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Germany wanted this. They courted and kissed Elonâs ass for this. For all their pr, Iâve learned that Germans arenât as progressive and smart as they would like the rest of us to think
With that logic we could cut down pretty much every single forest in Sweden and tell people to stop crying about it.
Edit: Why the down votes? We pretty much have no natural forests left in Sweden. Itâs basically all mono cultures planted with the intent to be cut down and sold. But if thatâs the only forests you have theyâre still very valuable (as forests I mean).
I for my part downvoted because itâs just false equivalence. Cutting down a part of a commercial forest is pretty far from completely cutting âevery single forestâ in Sweden.
Is it great that trees were cut down without replanting? No.
Is there a perfectly cleared and infrastructurally connected plot of land in Brandenburg that Tesla could have used instead? Also no.
Your comparison was basically the same as âWe sell a plot of land to Elon? Why not just sell every plot of land to him then!â.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Aug 2024 15:54
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The point is not that sweden is selling every inch of land to elon.
The point is that every forest in sweden is âcommercial forestâ so thatâs a meaningless justification.
Ok, but take a step back. Youâre now using the lack of original forest in Sweden to somehow argue against commercial forest in Germany being chopped down to make way for construction.
Ah I see the problem then. I wasnât trying to equate anything. I was simply addressing the reasoning behind the statement (that non-natural forests donât matter), taking it to the extreme to make point. I donât know anything about the forest in question, and I wasnât talking about it.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 23 Aug 2024 10:17
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tesla and elon have never been about being eco friendly or environmentally conscious
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 23 Aug 2024 15:53
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Electric cars are here to save the oil and auto industries, not the planet or humanity.
UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works
on 23 Aug 2024 18:43
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Currently yeah, but why canât we see electric cars as the step towards getting rid of oil? More electric cars will make more and more people want cleaner energy. Where eventually the fuel to run the cars comes from fully renewable sources.
derpgon@programming.dev
on 23 Aug 2024 18:55
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Iâd rather not have a Tesla even if it meant I dont have an EV ever. Crappy overpriced cars.
The number of trees is Europe is growing quickly. In fact, terribly so, this is an official part of the carbon mitigation strategy of many western democracies.
You can be angry about a lot of things but unless this is some ancient yewtree wood, this is honestly a nothing-burger.
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
on 24 Aug 2024 08:15
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Is it cheaper to cut down a forest than to buy a agriculture field?
Probably since physical labor jobs is valued so cheap and thats not mentioning that immigrants are easily used for that kind of work for even cheaper
Depends. If you need specific location for logistic reasons, in the long run it might be
That area was planted to be cut down. It was a monoculture for wood harvesting and the surrounding area still is, AFAIK. The only change to the original plan has been to not plant young trees again after cutting everything down and instead build a factory.
Effectively, they did buy an agriculture field.
Wanna bet that gigafactory somehow gets closed down or cancelled before opening? Tesla might not even survive that long.
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It lines up for me on Jerboa
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You are correct. It was a monoculture forest and designed to be cut down sooner or later anyway.
This is correct.
Yeah, it was just naturally monoculture. And now itâs naturally concrete. Whats the big deal?!?! \s
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When talking trade-offs you canât just compare a combustion engine to an electric engine, you gotta consider electric public transport too. This has the bonus of pissing on Musk.
Yes⌠And also light EVs. Theyâre hundreds of times more efficient and sustainable.
I donât go out much but if I did an ebike is the way to go, if it wasnât raining.
Mr. Musk, on a scale of 1-10, how tempted are you to build a bunker in Berlin?
The âforestâ cut down there is just a wood farm. Thereâs no ecosystem lost, since these farm are basically sterile
Trees are trees, they still have a huge impact on the environment.
Trees are trees, but trees arenât forests. And a trees donât have nearly the ecological impact of forests. In fact, in the U.S. and around the world we have the problem of way too many trees, which is causing apocalyptic ecological damage, because theyâre the wrong kind.
Cutting down all those trees in a tree farm isnât hurting the environment very much for the same reason that randomly planting a bunch of trees for a tree farm doesnât help the environment, which is why conservation is so important.
Wow. All star naturalist here.
As @Encrypt-Keeper put it so well:
Forests are whatâs actually worth prtotecting. This is not different from a field of corn. There is no ecological value to a farm of pine trees. If you ever walked in one, you would know that.
Germany wanted this. They courted and kissed Elonâs ass for this. For all their pr, Iâve learned that Germans arenât as progressive and smart as they would like the rest of us to think
Whereâd you hear Germans are progressive? đ
Compared to (parts of) the US, we might aswell be.
What? They just let them cut down trees to build things!? Bastards!
Iâm gonna go ahead and guess cyber truck 2 is going to be made of wood.
CyberTruck X(ylem).
The wooden Cyber Truck is already a thing. Relevant video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUp1KHIfme0
Canât we just find some kind of space vehicle to put Musk in and fling it at Mars? He always wanted to go there Iâve heard.
Bet if we bury him in a spacesuit and a chrome coffin he wouldnât know the difference.
Elon hate porn.
Jesus Christ guys. Elon lives in your head rent free.
Trees planted there to farm wood. Itâs a wood farm, not a natural forest. Get over it already.
With that logic we could cut down pretty much every single forest in Sweden and tell people to stop crying about it.
Edit: Why the down votes? We pretty much have no natural forests left in Sweden. Itâs basically all mono cultures planted with the intent to be cut down and sold. But if thatâs the only forests you have theyâre still very valuable (as forests I mean).
I for my part downvoted because itâs just false equivalence. Cutting down a part of a commercial forest is pretty far from completely cutting âevery single forestâ in Sweden.
Is it great that trees were cut down without replanting? No.
Is there a perfectly cleared and infrastructurally connected plot of land in Brandenburg that Tesla could have used instead? Also no.
Your comparison was basically the same as âWe sell a plot of land to Elon? Why not just sell every plot of land to him then!â.
The point is not that sweden is selling every inch of land to elon.
The point is that every forest in sweden is âcommercial forestâ so thatâs a meaningless justification.
Ok, but take a step back. Youâre now using the lack of original forest in Sweden to somehow argue against commercial forest in Germany being chopped down to make way for construction.
Ah I see the problem then. I wasnât trying to equate anything. I was simply addressing the reasoning behind the statement (that non-natural forests donât matter), taking it to the extreme to make point. I donât know anything about the forest in question, and I wasnât talking about it.
tesla and elon have never been about being eco friendly or environmentally conscious
Electric cars are here to save the oil and auto industries, not the planet or humanity.
Currently yeah, but why canât we see electric cars as the step towards getting rid of oil? More electric cars will make more and more people want cleaner energy. Where eventually the fuel to run the cars comes from fully renewable sources.
Iâd rather not have a Tesla even if it meant I dont have an EV ever. Crappy overpriced cars.
The number of trees is Europe is growing quickly. In fact, terribly so, this is an official part of the carbon mitigation strategy of many western democracies.
You can be angry about a lot of things but unless this is some ancient yewtree wood, this is honestly a nothing-burger.
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