just_another_person@lemmy.world
on 08 Jun 05:42
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Every part of the world is. It’s not unique to the US. Laws need to be passed to stop this.
kyub@discuss.tchncs.de
on 08 Jun 06:23
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Yes. Unfortunately, these systems are also a great gift for any upcoming fascist regime (like the Trump junta currently) which will not only happily continue using the existing infrastructure but also extend it like mad.
Maybe humanity’s greatest weaknesses overall: the lack of foresight and the lack of wisdom learned from historic precedents (e.g. Nazi Germany? Forgotten by now). Everything’s always about short-term goals, ignoring any long-term disadvantages. See also: climate disaster.
CitizenKong@lemmy.world
on 08 Jun 06:53
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That’s a capitalism weakness, not a human weakness though.
Laws aren’t enough for something of this magnitude. The general population needs to grow to match the much greater challenges presented by modern technology, or we’re going to descend into another dark age until we do learn how to behave.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 08 Jun 06:50
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“Turning into” lol. The USA and all their partner countries like the ones in the 5 Eyes program have all been mass techno-surveillance states for decades.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
on 08 Jun 09:49
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The 5 eyes countries are not allowed to spy on their own citizens, but they can freely share data.
Shhhh… Don’t make it even more obvious. The fig leaf covering it is already so flaccid, that it might instantaneously turn into dust at the slightest disturbance.
propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
on 08 Jun 14:02
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The 5 eyes countries are not allowed to spy on their own citizens
I mean, they do it anyways.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 08 Jun 16:01
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It’s almost like it was by design.
They also just spy on their own citizens anyway, because who is going to stop them?
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world
on 08 Jun 12:34
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God I miss the pre-9/11 US, when the worst thing happening was bad jokes on SNL about Bill Clinton and cigars.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world
on 08 Jun 13:43
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Maybe not the best example.
At that time this sleezebag (and others with power) got away with a lot of sexual misconduct.
And in his case probably rapes.
Minimising it as him being some naughthy schoolboy and making jokes about is not really something I miss.
I don’t want to downplay sexual misconduct, but the issues we are facing right now are orders of magnitude higher.
You will never find a perfect point it time where life is good for and harmonious everyone. The 90s had their problems, for sure, but the USA wasn’t tearing itself apart, or bringing in and welcoming in a new wave of fascism.
I know that wasn’t your intention, mentioned it bcs it just sounded weird and and unfortunate choice.
" USA tearing itself apart" is the best thing that could happen to the world.
I feel sorry for the handful of non-uniparty voters that have to suffer but as a European this feels like your country is getting a taste of its own medicine.
I’m not the OP, or an American, but yes I think a lot of the world is looking at them and feeling that they’re getting their comeuppance.
The problem is that America is truly too big to fail. Not that they can’t fail, but they will drag the world down with them if they do. Global trade and global security is anchored to them, so while I want to see them slapped back to reality, I don’t think we can afford for them to devolve into civil war.
I don’t agree with too big to fail.
Yes it caused a lot of trouble already and they are dragging us (EU) down with them.
Or better they’re sacrificing us for their benefit.
They aren’t as important as they were for global trade and it is a catalyst to get rid of them sooner.
And ‘global security’?!
That must be a joke, there is no bigger cause of destabilisation and war than that awful country.
Now read some books and see how much Bill Clinton is directly to blame for most awful shit we’re dealing with today, and while you shouldn’t come to justify 9-11, you’ll understand its motivation correctly.
Bill Clinton and neo-libs like him is why we go right instead of left as a society.
Better that they cover it than not. And the recent ramp up is worth reporting on, it’s a new level of weaponization compared to previous administrations.
serenissi@lemmy.world
on 08 Jun 12:17
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wait US is putting surveillance on techno producers?
bricklove@midwest.social
on 08 Jun 12:32
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Here’s a 20 year old album about it (it’s really cool that my favorite band is called ISIS. It’s neat how they broke up in 2010 but I still can only wear the merch at home)
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Every part of the world is. It’s not unique to the US. Laws need to be passed to stop this.
Yes. Unfortunately, these systems are also a great gift for any upcoming fascist regime (like the Trump junta currently) which will not only happily continue using the existing infrastructure but also extend it like mad.
Maybe humanity’s greatest weaknesses overall: the lack of foresight and the lack of wisdom learned from historic precedents (e.g. Nazi Germany? Forgotten by now). Everything’s always about short-term goals, ignoring any long-term disadvantages. See also: climate disaster.
That’s a capitalism weakness, not a human weakness though.
Same thing
Humans = capitalism ???
No but the comment above makes it sound like capitalism is some external, alien evil that has nothing to do with humans, even though it’s just greed
Bet you $500 that the next democrat president won’t tear down the system and will in fact give even more contracts to Palantir & co.
Palantir have been with every president since it’s inception. I once searched palintir, lotr 10+years ago, it was already well established by then
Laws aren’t enough for something of this magnitude. The general population needs to grow to match the much greater challenges presented by modern technology, or we’re going to descend into another dark age until we do learn how to behave.
“Turning into” lol. The USA and all their partner countries like the ones in the 5 Eyes program have all been mass techno-surveillance states for decades.
The 5 eyes countries are not allowed to spy on their own citizens, but they can freely share data.
Isn’t there an obvious loophole here.
Shhhh… Don’t make it even more obvious. The fig leaf covering it is already so flaccid, that it might instantaneously turn into dust at the slightest disturbance.
I mean, they do it anyways.
It’s almost like it was by design.
They also just spy on their own citizens anyway, because who is going to stop them?
How hard did Musk press his fingers on his other hand? Or does his blood not flow that hard?
kinda been that way since 2001
Since a bit earlier or so I’ve read.
Where are all the “nothing to hide” people now.
Probably realizing that Democrats can now trace who bought MAGA hats and they too have guns.
Uh, do the kids these days really not know about the post-9/11 Patriot Act?
Well Obama ‘fixed’ it.
Made it even more draconian but called it the Freedom Act.
Shit like that works every time.
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God I miss the pre-9/11 US, when the worst thing happening was bad jokes on SNL about Bill Clinton and cigars.
Maybe not the best example.
At that time this sleezebag (and others with power) got away with a lot of sexual misconduct.
And in his case probably rapes.
Minimising it as him being some naughthy schoolboy and making jokes about is not really something I miss.
I don’t want to downplay sexual misconduct, but the issues we are facing right now are orders of magnitude higher.
You will never find a perfect point it time where life is good for and harmonious everyone. The 90s had their problems, for sure, but the USA wasn’t tearing itself apart, or bringing in and welcoming in a new wave of fascism.
I know that wasn’t your intention, mentioned it bcs it just sounded weird and and unfortunate choice.
" USA tearing itself apart" is the best thing that could happen to the world.
I feel sorry for the handful of non-uniparty voters that have to suffer but as a European this feels like your country is getting a taste of its own medicine.
I’m not the OP, or an American, but yes I think a lot of the world is looking at them and feeling that they’re getting their comeuppance.
The problem is that America is truly too big to fail. Not that they can’t fail, but they will drag the world down with them if they do. Global trade and global security is anchored to them, so while I want to see them slapped back to reality, I don’t think we can afford for them to devolve into civil war.
I don’t agree with too big to fail.
Yes it caused a lot of trouble already and they are dragging us (EU) down with them.
Or better they’re sacrificing us for their benefit.
They aren’t as important as they were for global trade and it is a catalyst to get rid of them sooner.
And ‘global security’?!
That must be a joke, there is no bigger cause of destabilisation and war than that awful country.
Now read some books and see how much Bill Clinton is directly to blame for most awful shit we’re dealing with today, and while you shouldn’t come to justify 9-11, you’ll understand its motivation correctly.
Bill Clinton and neo-libs like him is why we go right instead of left as a society.
We sent all our manufacturing capabilities to China.
it’s already a surveillance state and both the red and blue party are complicit.
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Is there a word for when the media is constantly like 3+ years behind with “warnings” like this? I mean Jesus Christ, turning into?
There’s a pokemon for it.
20+ years behind
True… Though things have accelerated at an alarming pace over the past few years
I’m sure German could do a compound of “spät erkennen” or similar for a late realisation.
Better that they cover it than not. And the recent ramp up is worth reporting on, it’s a new level of weaponization compared to previous administrations.
wait US is putting surveillance on techno producers?
Here’s a 20 year old album about it (it’s really cool that my favorite band is called ISIS. It’s neat how they broke up in 2010 but I still can only wear the merch at home)
Panopticon is fucking brilliant…hands down my Favorite ISIS album.
Uh you mean since like, 2001?
And by US, the author means the world.
“Turning”?! “into”?!
ig neither the glowies, nor Snowden, nor Manning exist
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We are already there
Are these people retarded? Did they forget Edward Snowden?