Detroit's newest road can charge electric cars as they travel on it (www.axios.com)
from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 30 Nov 2023 22:00
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Detroit’s newest road can charge electric cars as they travel on it::undefined

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qooqie@lemmy.world on 30 Nov 2023 22:35 next collapse

Tesla would’ve been fucking stoked

agitatedpotato@lemmy.world on 30 Nov 2023 22:40 collapse

That is an angle I had not considered yet, can’t argue with you there.

WaterWaiver@aussie.zone on 30 Nov 2023 22:49 next collapse

Projects that attempt to put things in the road tend to fail to be economical or practical. It’s almost always better putting the same (or less) investment into something equivalent that sits next to the road rather than inside it.

The key features of roads that make them so economically successful are:

  1. They are very cheap per km to build
  2. They are very cheap to maintain (they’re fully recyclable, they get remelted during resurfacing).

Installing anything in the road surface completely voids these two points.

Detailed problems:

  • You will need a pickup device on the bottom of your car. To make it efficient you will need it as close to the road surface as possible.
  • Roads are dirty and covered in debris. Your pickup device will get torn and worn.
  • You will need a LOT of road installed with this, which makes it intrinsically much more expensive than roadside chargers. 10 mins of charging at a standstill requires one charger, 10 mins of charging at 40kmph is about 7km of underroad chargers. Intersections might do better, but they’re intermittent and provide unreliable charging opportunities. Even 1km (6kmph*10min) is silly expensive compared to a cluster of roadside chargers.
  • The charging coils underneath the road will need to be as close to the road surface as possible (to make it efficient).
  • Worn or buckled (from truck braking) road surfaces will require specialised work and extended road shutdowns to repair.
  • You can’t ignore this costly maintenance: exposed electronics (even if isolated) will have inconsistent traction and may damage tires.
  • Under-road assets such as communication wires (even just for traffic lights, let alone internet infrastructure), power cables (11kV and up), water, sewage, stormwater and gas will be much more expensive, slow and complicated to install and maintain. More and longer road shutdowns will result.

The fundamental, core problem of all of these “put solar panels in roads” or “put chargers in roads” projects is that they are romantically and narratively attractive. Roads are ugly wasted space, but if we could put them to better use then wouldn’t it be magic? Sadly this never works. Roads are ugly and wastes of space because nothing else works as well for transport infrastructure (other than railways).

jonne@infosec.pub on 01 Dec 2023 01:21 next collapse

Probably a better approach is to use pantographs for trucks like on that stretch of road in Germany. And yeah, wireless charging would be cool, but it’s probably better suited for parking spots/garages instead of moving targets.

capital@lemmy.world on 01 Dec 2023 01:36 collapse

Same reason “SOLAR FREAKIN ROADWAYS” never went anywhere.

I still see that one crop up every now and then and I’m amazed it’s still kicking.

JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz on 01 Dec 2023 12:20 next collapse

The best try I’ve seen was a bike path and iirc even that was a miserable failure. Making roads out of glass is stupid and doesn’t work, who woulda thunk.

Shialac@lemmy.world on 01 Dec 2023 12:38 collapse

I never got why people even had the idea for solar bike paths etc. We have literally millions of roofs that are still empty, where noone tramples on, that are angled so any snow and water will slide of easily…

Lets fill out those first and if will still have demand for more surfaces to install solar panels on, then we can think about putting them on the road… (it would still be stupid)

[deleted] on 30 Nov 2023 23:58 next collapse

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BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 01 Dec 2023 02:27 next collapse

And it will work for about a week into January before being utterly obliterated by salt and snow.

Assman@sh.itjust.works on 01 Dec 2023 02:46 next collapse

Member solar freakin roadways?

carl_dungeon@lemmy.world on 01 Dec 2023 03:14 next collapse

This is great! You could charge your battery in only 7000 hours while generating megawatts of waste heat!

This will never work for so many reasons.

Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world on 01 Dec 2023 08:55 next collapse

In other news, conservatives are boycotting roads and calling them “woke”.

Chickenstalker@lemmy.world on 01 Dec 2023 12:38 collapse

Here me out gais. What if, like what if (tokes), yeah…huh? Oh, what if like if we like have these special tracks where a bus-like vehicle can run on it. The kicker is the track is like teh POWERED!!!11 so the vehicle like don’t need to carry fuel, maaaannn. Duuuuude!!!