Ehhh, I don’t think the comparison they’re making here is right. Leaning on open source software is not just for lazy developers - it’s often the best architectural choice.
I can’t think of a situation where vibe coding is the best choice except for when speed matters much more than quality, and even then only sometimes.
It’s only the best option if you are a grifter or grifting the grifter. vibe coding is running roughshod the outsourcing industry. Lots of companies started using it to produce basic throwaway apps and slowly but surely degrades developer’s talent pool. now we get lots of low-grade “developers” who can write prompts and want big bucks for it but can’t pass a mid-level live coding session because their skills are not up the snuff.
Sure, but let’s also not discount the idea that a significant percentage of businesses need no more than a single static HTML page for their website. I don’t find it a problem for a person to vibe code that up instead of hiring a real web developer.
those businesses are not really the target audience for Ukrainian outsourcing companies though. they want the big bucks nice and easy and cut corners more than they should in many cases. On the other hand - there are many Ukrainian small businesses that benefitted greatly from no-code and vibe coding tools that handle their small scale needs - that kind of streamlining helped them focusing on what actually affects their business on the ground
Vibe coding works when you need to say connect to some API and can feed the model a bunch of docs.
It’s great for very low skill, low maintenance, low risk code that I can easily and reliably regenerate.
Increasingly coding models are improving at architecture choices, Claude 4.5 vs 4 is way better here. But ultimately it’s inferior to a ginger making those choices.
It’s also a great debugger and reviewer.
I used it this weekend to connect to an API and to build a table of constants by just feeding it docs. That was a huge time saver.
I also used it to try and implement stuff and I gotta say once it hit tricky things it started trying to game it and just say it works.
HubertManne@piefed.social
on 06 Oct 19:59
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thats totally the type of code I have written. granted I really consider it more configuration even if it is code. This is always a thing with jobs. Yes I have written code but no im not really a coder by my definition (writes code over 50% of time at positions). No you don’t really need a coder for this ops role but yeas its fine that it uses continous development and a bit of code needs to be changed and you call it all devops.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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I’m a dev and work with some devOPs, and you nailed my experience with them exactly! Here are some projects I’ve seen them build:
open web ui (self-hosted AI) with some custom logic to verify an API key; it’s only available on the VPN/LAN, but IT has rules; basically ended up being a bit of lua in nginx
some JS and Python to add some widgets to the app (stuff like reporting issues)
random lambdas and other scripts to check server health
I remember doing all that stuff when I worked at a startup, and it’s nice to just see things get automated.
HubertManne@piefed.social
on 07 Oct 14:51
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Like half my last role was pretty much automation. Which is sorta good and I guess maybe why devops is a better way to look at it. Back when it was just ops it seemed like they would never give time to get things like automation done.
Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr
on 08 Oct 06:02
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Madam please ^^
You should know that COBOL still evolve and the last version of it is 2018 I think (maybe one in the 2020s) and is object oriented since 2003. The problem is that ibm’s COBOL is note like 62 (at least where I worked)
I see. Thanks for clarification. I never worked with COBOL myself but have couple of folks on the team who worked with COBOL in banking back during 2000s who still have full-on vietnam flashbacks over it. I guess the COBOL they worked with was an older iteration than you described.
HubertManne@piefed.social
on 06 Oct 19:56
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since when is licensing code?
ICastFist@programming.dev
on 07 Oct 12:51
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It has its moments, but you are absolutely right - 25 years ago Wired would’ve torn modern Wired a new one for their clickbait speculative thinkpieces.
kalinux@programming.dev
on 07 Oct 20:20
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“Vibe coding” is just cargo cult programming with prettier syntax highlighting.
I still think AI’s useful — when it’s treated like a tool, not a replacement.
Been experimenting with that in a small side project: VSCoder Copilot
TL;DR: AI doesn’t make you a dev — it just makes a good dev faster.
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Ehhh, I don’t think the comparison they’re making here is right. Leaning on open source software is not just for lazy developers - it’s often the best architectural choice.
I can’t think of a situation where vibe coding is the best choice except for when speed matters much more than quality, and even then only sometimes.
It’s only the best option if you are a grifter or grifting the grifter. vibe coding is running roughshod the outsourcing industry. Lots of companies started using it to produce basic throwaway apps and slowly but surely degrades developer’s talent pool. now we get lots of low-grade “developers” who can write prompts and want big bucks for it but can’t pass a mid-level live coding session because their skills are not up the snuff.
Sure, but let’s also not discount the idea that a significant percentage of businesses need no more than a single static HTML page for their website. I don’t find it a problem for a person to vibe code that up instead of hiring a real web developer.
those businesses are not really the target audience for Ukrainian outsourcing companies though. they want the big bucks nice and easy and cut corners more than they should in many cases. On the other hand - there are many Ukrainian small businesses that benefitted greatly from no-code and vibe coding tools that handle their small scale needs - that kind of streamlining helped them focusing on what actually affects their business on the ground
When did Ukrainian come into it? I went back to the article but half of it was behind a paywall
nowhere, I just relayed my personal observation regarding vibe coding in Ukraine as one of the examples
Vibe coding works when you need to say connect to some API and can feed the model a bunch of docs.
It’s great for very low skill, low maintenance, low risk code that I can easily and reliably regenerate.
Increasingly coding models are improving at architecture choices, Claude 4.5 vs 4 is way better here. But ultimately it’s inferior to a ginger making those choices.
It’s also a great debugger and reviewer.
I used it this weekend to connect to an API and to build a table of constants by just feeding it docs. That was a huge time saver.
I also used it to try and implement stuff and I gotta say once it hit tricky things it started trying to game it and just say it works.
thats totally the type of code I have written. granted I really consider it more configuration even if it is code. This is always a thing with jobs. Yes I have written code but no im not really a coder by my definition (writes code over 50% of time at positions). No you don’t really need a coder for this ops role but yeas its fine that it uses continous development and a bit of code needs to be changed and you call it all devops.
I’m a dev and work with some devOPs, and you nailed my experience with them exactly! Here are some projects I’ve seen them build:
I remember doing all that stuff when I worked at a startup, and it’s nice to just see things get automated.
Like half my last role was pretty much automation. Which is sorta good and I guess maybe why devops is a better way to look at it. Back when it was just ops it seemed like they would never give time to get things like automation done.
GINGERS DO HAVE SOULS
We don’t
More than Open Source, I would say that Vibe Coding is the new Visual Basic 3.0
very apt comparison
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yikes
Huh ?
Because proprietary projects are immune to all that ? what is happening here ?
Wired pushing corporate agenda is happening.
I guess finding safe language is hard. Python, Java, C#, C(++) with clang or GCC, php, rust…
PASCAL!
Isn’t Delphi open source? Imagine using nice language when you can use COBOL on IBM and pay a shit ton amount of money!
Its Freemium, at least it was like that. Using COBOL should be regulated by Geneva conventions at this point.
Trust me, I did a mainframe gig. It lasted a few months before I almost bored out XD
You sir are hardcore.
Madam please ^^
You should know that COBOL still evolve and the last version of it is 2018 I think (maybe one in the 2020s) and is object oriented since 2003. The problem is that ibm’s COBOL is note like 62 (at least where I worked)
I see. Thanks for clarification. I never worked with COBOL myself but have couple of folks on the team who worked with COBOL in banking back during 2000s who still have full-on vietnam flashbacks over it. I guess the COBOL they worked with was an older iteration than you described.
since when is licensing code?
Wired can suck a dick for that shitty comparison
It has its moments, but you are absolutely right - 25 years ago Wired would’ve torn modern Wired a new one for their clickbait speculative thinkpieces.
“Vibe coding” is just cargo cult programming with prettier syntax highlighting.
I still think AI’s useful — when it’s treated like a tool, not a replacement. Been experimenting with that in a small side project: VSCoder Copilot
TL;DR: AI doesn’t make you a dev — it just makes a good dev faster.
my only experience with it was for code cleanup - since those tools save me from bitching and moaning from the team - let it rip
It’s the new open source in the same way that it’s the new left-handed bowling.
Wired clickbait, sigh
Dear wired: the word is Slopping. With slop.
that word is so loaded for me - literally every time someone uses it regardless of context I remember The Godwinns theme and feel really old.