just_another_person@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 18:44
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All his fanboys should be absolutely shitting bricks about this since Elon has been out there for years saying that people who purchase Tesla vehicles absolutely own them. He’s been spouting this bullshit since they got caught remotely crippling software features YEARS ago, but this is further proof Tesla owners are completely at the whim of a tyrannical douchebag who decides if you get the privilege of using something you paid for the way you want.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 19 Dec 2023 18:47
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If it weren’t for double standards, he’d have no standards at all.
ares35@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 19:03
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you don't even own all the bits you do buy. you pay extra to unlock them. preinstalled, extra-cost dlc.
LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 19:22
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They won’t. His fanboys will find an excuse for his shitty behavior like they always do.
It’s like hoping flat earthers would suddenly come to their senses once they see the evidence. They won’t. They would find some other shitty excuse for their stupid belief.
Edit: stupid autocorrect. lol.
dragontamer@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 19:40
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I do believe that flat feathers exists somewhere on this pale blue dot / sphere of a world. But methinks you accidentally added an “f” to eathers and don’t mean to talk about feathers.
ripcord@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 21:08
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I would guess that 80-90% of owners are ignorant (some willfully), or try to separate the man from the company, and not just unrepentant fanboys/girls
But yeah, agree on the fanboy thing. SpaceX too (which personally I find extra unfortunate since they've done some REALLY good things in the LEO launch market and space stuff in general).
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz
on 19 Dec 2023 23:50
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I wonder how much of SpaceX’s success has happened not because of Musk, but despite him
I'm not even remotely a fan of the guy at this point, but from everything I've read, a lot of it was actually because of him.
Tesla too.
But also a lot of the negative parts of those companies, and failures. And at the Boring Company. And TwitX, etc.
Whatever contributions he's made are rapidly evaporating, though. He had plenty of problems 1015 years ago, but the last 5 have been a massive, rapid slide in his contributions, reputation, etc.
highenergyphysics@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 01:27
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Ah yes that must be why SpaceX employs multiple professional handlers whose responsibility it is to distract manchild Mosk with shiny bits whenever he gets close to making an actual decision
Even if true, someone can both be a piece of work and successful.
Like how a guy can be a complete moron piece of shit AND a top neurosurgeon.
Also that person can be a steadily worse neurosurgeon and become more and more just a moron piece of shit.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 17:20
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Each time he pulls shit like this, more people see the light about him. This one is going to disproportionately affect people who either still like him or just thought that they could own a Tesla without being affected by his stupid shit. It might hurt the stock price as some come to understand that his Twitter feuding can boil over to his other companies. Today might be the best time to exit a Tesla position (or maybe that’s just wishful thinking).
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz
on 19 Dec 2023 19:22
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His fanboys are mostly reich-wingers nowadays, and they’re completely impervious to reality-based arguments
badaboomxx@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 20:20
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Don’t forget that they are smug thinking they are saving the planet
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz
on 19 Dec 2023 20:29
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Not sure how many diehard Musk / Tesla fans even believe in climate change
badaboomxx@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 21:18
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You ate correct, but they won’t waste any chance to be smug
ripcord@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 21:09
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Reich wingers are smug about that...?
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz
on 20 Dec 2023 06:03
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EVs exist to save the auto motive industry, not the planet
badaboomxx@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 06:06
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hydroptic@sopuli.xyz
on 19 Dec 2023 23:49
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Share and enjoy
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 20 Dec 2023 01:00
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Go stick your head in a pig?
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz
on 20 Dec 2023 19:55
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I’m your plastic pal who’s fun to be with
foggy@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 18:45
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Oh, Musk. You really wanna join the ranks with DeSantis?
You can not out lawyer the mouse.
DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 19:09
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He and DeSantis are already buddy buddy, DeSantis always seems to make sure to protect Musk’s interests whenever there’s some law change that effects Tesla/SpaceX.
There are people joining waiting lists to let Musk put microchips in their brains.
snowdrop@lemmy.zip
on 19 Dec 2023 18:57
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Don’t know why the hell you’d need a streaming service in your car anyways
AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 19:06
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I guess you don't become the manufacturer of the brand with the most auto collisions without putting a big screen on the dash and offering a dozen streaming services.
Though I suspect there's a correlation between being stupid / selfish / lazy / unpredictable and owning a Tesla.
Ashyr@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Dec 2023 19:16
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Oh geez, I want to give you an upvote for the first half and a downvote for the second.
It’s a whiplash experience to move so quickly between fair-minded discussion and needless arrogant bigotry.
AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 19:23
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If you want to call me bigoted against Tesla owners I will laugh at you and wear that badge.
I think a person that buys a car from a cryptofaciest's company, known for their labor rights suppressions, poor build quality, poor design quality, poor resale value, and poor maintenance options, Is a dumbass.
dragontamer@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 20:13
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As we all know, Dr. Martin Luther King’s speech…
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin the politicians they choose to support, the billionaires they give their money to, and the decisions they make, but instead by…
Wait wut? Judging people for being shitheads is allowed?
Ashyr@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Dec 2023 21:09
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Bigotry:
Obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group
dragontamer@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 21:12
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Being a bigot against Nazis is a-okay in my book.
Judging people for what they have done and what they believe in is 100% fine and compatible with Dr. martin Luther King.
Pregnenolone@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 00:30
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This entire thread has been rampant generalisations and shitting on an entire group of people for owning a product. Real Reddit energy which I ignorantly thought we’d be better about.
Yeah, Elon sucks, but all of a sudden that must mean Tesla owners are Nazis? Come on, what a load of bullshit.
proudblond@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 19:13
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As someone who uses it a lot: you don’t need it. But it is nice when you’re waiting for someone, which I do a lot of because sigh I’m basically a soccer mom now. (Kids don’t play soccer and I don’t drive a minivan but…yeah, the comparison is sadly apt.) These days, my kids use it more than I do, since a few times a week they are stuck with me waiting for the other sibling to get out of their activity. Can all this be solved by just handing them my phone instead? Sure.
As of yesterday, pretty sure my Disney+ app was still there, maybe because we’ve used it before, per the article. My daughter would be upset if it disappeared, but if it does I’ll just bring a iPad and hotspot it. Whatever. Maybe I should be more upset about this but I’m kind of resigned to Musk being an asshole man-child and honestly kind of depressed about being linked to him even if I’ve had the car for years and generally love it.
Fellow Tesla owner, and you really summed up my feelings too in that last paragraph.
somethingsnappy@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 08:44
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Books. Even when waiting for the other kid at a sporting event. Books. 45 minutes in, food. 1 hour plus? Some youtube. This is privilege working against the kids.
More for passengers than for the driver. Or if you're parked up.
Jaysyn@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 18:59
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"Citing fire hazard, Disney bans Tesla vehicles from their properties, worldwide." would be a hilarious headline.
0110010001100010@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 19:23
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That would at least have some data to back it up. This is just a man-child throwing a hissy fit because the free market decided it didn’t want to do business with Twitter.
whofearsthenight@lemm.ee
on 21 Dec 2023 01:37
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I mean, Disney is run by adults, so I suspect they’re sitting over there watching Elon punch himself in the balls and laughing about it.
You’re just the right kind of evil, that’s amazing.
blazeknave@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 03:56
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Chaotic good?
rynzcycle@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 19:08
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CEO of public company actively makes product worse because of business dealings at a seperate private company owned by said CEO. Not that Tesla shareholders don't already have enough reason to be pissed, but good lord.
And it's not a "feud" that would imply Disney is being petty instead of making the fucking obvious business decision to pull advertising spend from the dumpster fire of racism and controversy that is Twitter.
chitak166@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 20:06
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instead of making the fucking obvious business decision to pull advertising spend from the dumpster fire of racism and controversy that is Twitter.
Maybe it’s just me, but choosing where you advertise has always seemed like bullshit with no real evidence to back it up.
Do people really believe that Disney will lose customers if they show ads on xvideos? How do you even explain that to your children, who won’t see the ads there in the first place?
I can see a small media backlash that revives itself every so often, but that’s all. Frozen 3 gets announced and all of a sudden nobody cares.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
on 19 Dec 2023 19:14
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Lmao Elon boutta find out that you do not fuck with the big D.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de
on 19 Dec 2023 19:22
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Proof that you can’t buy maturity.
someguy3@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 19:25
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Sounds to me like Elon is trying to blackmail Iger.
olosta@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 19:34
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Bob, you know what you have to do. Remove him from Iron Man, that’s petty, useless and perfect.
Jarmer@slrpnk.net
on 19 Dec 2023 20:31
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OMG that’d be hilarious. Also don’t even say a word to anyone, just have an editor trim that 3 second scene from IM2 and replace it on the disney+ streaming service with this new version.
BURN@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 06:41
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Better yet, deepfake over him with someone he’d hate. Changes nothing, enrages him
User_4272894@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 11:40
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STARK: “wow, your intellect is stunning. I look forward to seeing what you’ll be able to accomplish in the next few years”
CAMERA PANS
GRETA THUNBERG SMILES
ripcord@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 21:00
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That'd be funny, but pretty counterproductive.
PopShark@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 20:30
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I’m sure this is old news but Musk has a cameo in an iron man movie?
Gemini24601@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 19:50
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As another once said, “Elon Musk is a stupid man’s genius,” and after all of his tantrums, I see it as true.
reddig33@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 19:58
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Manchild.
KiloGex@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 20:45
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Can you imagine spending all that money on a car and expecting certain features, only for them to change based on the whims of a manchild who gets his feelings hurt?
deweydecibel@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 05:03
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Can you imagine spending that much money on a car where this is even possible?
Seriously, don’t ever buy a car that can have something uninstalled remotely without your consent. I can’t believe we’ve sunk this far.
chitak166@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 20:00
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Rich people don’t buy Teslas.
People who want to pretend they’re rich do.
chitak166@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 20:00
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Should be grounds for a lawsuit.
If not by Tesla-owners, then certainly their stockholders.
I couldn’t imagine seeing my investment take a dip because the CEO is having personal beef with another one of his poorly-run companies.
flames5123@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 23:08
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It’s just a full screen browser. You can get it for any website. There’s a simple work around that’s been there for years that uses a YouTube URL to force full screen but then redirects to Google. Then you can just go to Disney. It’s really not that big of a deal.
billwashere@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 20:50
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Why would you have a streaming service playing on a screen very visible to the driver?!?! No wonder Tesla has such a high accident rate.
Funkymatt@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 20:53
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You know these can only be used while in park, right?
goldenbug@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 21:00
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Entertainment whilst waiting for the damn thing to charge 🤷🏻♂️
goldenbug@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 21:43
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Yeah, phones could never
Kepabar@startrek.website
on 20 Dec 2023 14:36
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I’ll tell you that it’s super nice to be able to watch things with other people in the car while you are all waiting on the car to charge.
Also, you don’t have to hold a phone and the screen is better.
spiderkle@lemmy.ca
on 19 Dec 2023 21:23
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This week on billionaire’s gossip: who’s gonna pull their ads out of which social media network… and will they block each other on their app stores or IRL?! Stay tuned to find out if your Tesla is affected!!
indigomirage@lemmy.ca
on 19 Dec 2023 21:23
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Since Twitter has nothing to do with Tesla (beyond the emotionally stunted owner) this is serious line being crossed. I mean - I don’t care about Tesla. But I do care about SpaceX and Starlink as they have serious geopolitical implications.
Some country’s leader disses Twitter and they don’t get to launch satellites. Or their people don’t get satellite internet.
This amount of power should not be in the hands of one rich guy with an inferiority complex.
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 02:46
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SpaceX and starlink are dead in the water and utterly useless until Musk has them taken away. As long as he’s running those, they’re just shitty companies with lots of empty promises
kilgore_trout@feddit.it
on 20 Dec 2023 04:25
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SpaceX is the main contractor of NASA.
Eldritch@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 13:06
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Because Republicans gutted NASA for decades. They absolutely loathed that it was a generally beloved program by everyone. And for every dollar of funding saw multiple times that in the value it created. What SpaceX did wasn’t something that NASA had never thought of. They just never had the funding to really pursue it. And especially in the wasteful manner Elon musk has.
chitak166@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 19:57
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What did spaceX do, exactly?
We’ve had re-usable spacecraft rated for human passengers since the Space Shuttle.
Eldritch@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 20:10
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Reentry vehicle sure. Launch vehicle, no. The ocean floor is littered with booster stage debris. NASA had experimented with a lot of different methods to reach orbit. And had even looked at things that SpaceX eventually built. But never had the funding to build themselves.
SpaceX is nothing but the culmination of a Reagan era fascist fever, dream. Ofdismantling good governance. Privatizing everything possible and then price gouging.
chitak166@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 20:15
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I just saw SpaceX’s most recent rocket launch and it looked like they detached the boosters.
I think they exploded afterwards, too.
Eldritch@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 21:24
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Absolutely. But that’s only because Elon musk doesn’t mind throwing away money. He’s got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He’s blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time.
chitak166@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 21:32
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Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn’t look like they accomplished anything we haven’t done before.
Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new.
SpaceX has Musk handlers to keep Musk away from SpaceX.
linearchaos@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 07:16
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I wouldn’t say they’re quite dead in the water but he definitely has plenty of power to enshitify them.
He already shut off the Ukraine from starlink when he felt like it.
Tit for tat Disney and Tesla.
If he fucks with SpaceX though, NASA can just stop dealing with them. They would go real quick from being profitable to begging for people to use their service.
If he starts getting a lot of back pressure from the EU and US on what he can launch, I can put a serious dent in his wallet.
somethingsnappy@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 08:38
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You can? Because he already has. Please do!
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Dec 2023 15:15
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“when he felt like it” isn’t exactly correct, he specifically didn’t allow them to use starlink to launch attacks on Russia, as it was meant to be used only for defense.
c0c0c0@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 22:28
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I mean, if you’re being invaded, doesn’t anything you do to fight back count as “defense”?
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Dec 2023 14:57
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Not according to the USA initially
linearchaos@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 05:15
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The problem is, none of us have real knowledge about what happened there. All we have is conjecture and/or propaganda.
It’s equally reasonably possible that he has ties in Russia.
chitak166@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 19:57
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SpaceX has never been a good investment for NASA.
linearchaos@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 22:49
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Not necessarily SpaceX but they needed something.
The problem with NASA is that the funding waxes and wains with the administrations, as does the demands of the administrations to give them the money.
If something takes more than 8 years to happen chances are the project never comes to fruition. NASA has really slowed down in development in recent decades.
Not all the innovation SpaceX is doing is really warranted, though most of it’s kind of cool. But they are investing in research and development in places that NASA simply can’t get to.
Starlink is just a way for spacex to capitalize on that research and development. They are their own sister company customer.
That said they can all turn into dog shit in a matter of months if somebody got a stick up their butt
AWittyUsername@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 20:47
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Don’t know why you’re down voted. They’ve been promising man on mars any day now for years.
indigomirage@lemmy.ca
on 21 Dec 2023 00:02
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The mars thing is really a small part of what they do, although it gets the press. They are pretty much the only real game in town for satellite launches, and, I think ISS transport (especially since Soyez is Russian and there’s not a lot of good will going on there…). Even Amazon uses them for launches. It’s approaching monopoly status for critical infrastructure (we’re very dependant on satellites as a society now).
Mars is a labour of love for future ambition, but it’s not the main show.
Whether the root cause is historically poor NASA funding or not (I think there’s a strong argument for competition and private sector IF it’s properly governed, but it never is…), the fact is that we’ve created a situation where vast amounts of geopolitical control rest with a single person.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 19 Dec 2023 21:37
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Why are there streaming apps in cars?
Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz
on 19 Dec 2023 21:51
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So I can watch something while I wait for my wife to finish shopping…
The streaming apps only work when the car is in park.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 19 Dec 2023 21:57
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Why not just stream your phone to the screen?
Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz
on 20 Dec 2023 01:54
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I could. But it’s a much nicer experience watching it on the 15” central display than a phone.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 20 Dec 2023 03:08
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I’m not sure I understand what the point of using your phone would be? The car already has cellular connectivity which enables things like viewing security cameras remotely, turning on air conditioning, etc. So it’s not like a streaming app is tall ask.
slackassassin@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Dec 2023 06:02
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Why necessitate a workaround for a billionaire man baby’s tantrum?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 20 Dec 2023 16:02
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My stance would be the same whether the app is there or not
jameskirk@startrek.website
on 19 Dec 2023 22:30
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You can go with your wife, you know?
ShroOmeric@lemmy.world
on 19 Dec 2023 22:35
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I was thinking the same thing. Waiting in the car like a lazy child.
QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 01:02
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Unless the baby is sleeping and you don’t want to wake them.
You need something to do while you are charging the batteries… ;-P
AlexJD@feddit.uk
on 19 Dec 2023 22:18
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10 years ago if someone had told me that in the future the tantrums of a billionaire petulant manchild would decide what features are available in your already paid for car I wouldn’t have believed them.
w2tpmf@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 03:28
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On the other hand, 10 years ago there’s almost no chance you would think that the Disnet Chanel would be a feature in an automobile.
popekingjoe@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 04:26
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What a wildly weird time we’re living in.
krakenx@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 14:59
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Tablets, Netflix, offline video files, and mobile internet all existed 10 years ago.
The only thing that has changed is the level of control you have over the screen and where the content is coming from.
DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz
on 21 Dec 2023 07:51
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Features of whatever external devices you bring to your car, is not a feature of the car.
AFAIK, only Tesla has native video streaming from the interface screen in the car, so most cars still don’t have this functionality.
AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml
on 20 Dec 2023 17:20
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Bro 10 years ago was 2013
I was watching movies on a LG Optimus Link android smartphone in 2011
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Dec 2023 16:19
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I wouldn’t have not believed it, but I would be bummed to learn that we still haven’t made contact with three-tiddied aliens.
dumpsterlid@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 23:11
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The darkest timeline would be we have made contact with three-tiddied aliens but they were only interested in contacting high ranking officials in shadowy, sketchy U.S. government agencies like the CIA and military. That is what a lot of conspiracy minded people would have me believe and honestly if that was true those would be some lame af aliens. Like… all of all the people on earth to establish first contact with, you chose those losers?
When they said you couldn’t make contact with the rest of humanity you were just like yup seems like these dipshits have the authority to decide that for the rest of humanity?
Those would be some lame aliens and THAT would be the darkest timeline.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 16:31
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What a pathetic gesture. I’ll show them, I’ll take away features from my cars! No one subs to Disney+ just because they can watch it in their car. All you’re doing is pissing off tesla owners and scaring away potential owners with your little bitch fit. Pathetic.
Chriswild@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 04:18
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Gotta love having a subscription for your car to give you a worse service than before because a man child bought a social media site.
DarkThoughts@kbin.social
on 19 Dec 2023 23:28
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Cancel culture.
nyakojiru@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 20 Dec 2023 01:15
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Hi Elon fans
sndrtj@feddit.nl
on 20 Dec 2023 08:23
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What a tantrum-throwing manchild.
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch
on 20 Dec 2023 11:23
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Eh, Tesla plays this game too?
GiddyGap@lemm.ee
on 20 Dec 2023 12:42
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It’s all he’s got, aside from that apartheid golden parachute
prole@sh.itjust.works
on 20 Dec 2023 19:37
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Any of my knowledge of this is based on the show Succession, so I probably have no idea what I’m talking about, but couldn’t Tesla’s board remove Elon as CEO for making terrible decisions that negatively affect shareholders?
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 20 Dec 2023 19:49
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Yes, they could once they prove that Elon’s actions are impacting the day to day at Tesla regardless of conduct. The issue is the board is made of sycophants who will vouch for Elon, namely James Murdoch, JB Straubel, and his brother, Kimbal Musk
whofearsthenight@lemm.ee
on 21 Dec 2023 01:31
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And, if Elon had a real board, this probably would have already happened. This is a perfect example of why. What problem has Disney caused Tesla that they could possibly articulate to a customer that would justify this move and not cost them good will if nothing else, and sales likely especially as this gets a ton of coverage? “Yes, I understand your frustration, and yes I can hear your kid screaming in the background about not being able to watch Frozen while you’re stuck charging. But you see, sir/madame, our CEO has a very, and I really have to make sure I state this correctly, but very tiny penis. It’s so small, just constantly peeing on his balls (which are also very small.) We here at Tesla let him compensate for this by making the product worse for you, our paying customers. Anyway, can I interest you in a CyberTruck? Please? We’ve only sold 3 and my family needs to eat.”
chitak166@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 19:54
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Holy shit. Who wants products with this much control given to someone else?
I seriously have no respect for anyone who buys apple or teslas.
Isthisreddit@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 23:33
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Bro, why you lumping apple in with musk?
Seriously, apple does a spectacular job at user privacy and security, probably second to none.
chitak166@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 23:35
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Because apple forced an album onto user’s phones just because they were paid to do it.
Seriously, apple does a spectacular job at user privacy and security, probably second to none.
Is this satire?
Isthisreddit@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 23:45
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Let’s be real here, google and every other company sells you out to their advertisers instantly and even double dip and triple dip on your info wherever they can. Apple doesn’t and they take their security seriously. Feds are always crying about how hard it is to break into iphones, telcos are complaining how apple protects it’s users (because telcos have an interest in monetizing those apple users), and the payouts for finding security vulnerabilities for apple products are very high.
Google and apple are absolutely on different ends of the spectrum of user privacy and security
Daefsdeda@sh.itjust.works
on 21 Dec 2023 10:58
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Yes but when push comes to shove, they prioritise money. See apple serves in china being accessible by the goverment.
I do agree that it is nice that apple has things that protects buyers from telcos but, I do feel like the no bloatware and no different phones in regions is a image move so apple products are more easuly understandable for the average consumer (so more money).
Isthisreddit@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 18:26
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I will totally agree with you it all does come down to money, but I feel Apple/Tim Cook is still principled in this regard - he has made a stand that the customer is not the product, and the investors/share holders appear to respect this boundary so far. All that is needed is a shithead CEO to come in and squeeze every cent, which at that point might very well be to monetize users like Google. Anything can change tomorrow.
Btw I’m a hobbyist security researcher, and the more I study Apple/iOS/MacOS, the more impressed I am. I don’t actually have any apple devices, but I’m really starting to consider it
Apple doesn’t and they take their security seriously. Feds are always crying about how hard it is to break into iphones, telcos are complaining how apple protects it’s users (because telcos have an interest in monetizing those apple users), and the payouts for finding security vulnerabilities for apple products are very high.
This only means that Apple don’t allow anyone else to do it, not that Apple itself does not do it.
Isthisreddit@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 18:18
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True - show me proof Apple monetizes it’s users, then we can continue this discussion
dantheclamman@lemmy.world
on 20 Dec 2023 22:37
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Kind of wild how this guy feels entitled to have people pay him
ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 01:20
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And here I am just now learning that cars have streaming media apps? That seems insane to me in the first place…
whofearsthenight@lemm.ee
on 21 Dec 2023 01:22
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Pretty sure they can only be used when parked like when you’re charging. Even at a super charger, it’s going to take 20-30 minutes to get back on the road.
ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 01:25
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Ah I didn’t think of the charging times and maybe needing something to do while you waited. Alright, it’s suddenly much more sane.
gian@lemmy.grys.it
on 21 Dec 2023 12:21
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Oh well… if you have kids in the back seats and a long travel it would not seems too insane
linearchaos@lemmy.world
on 22 Dec 2023 06:18
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Is there anyone left out there that hasn’t given their old cell phones to their children? My kids won’t watch tv, they’ll whip out phones when we’re all in the living room.
petaljiggy@lemmy.ml
on 21 Dec 2023 02:00
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“free speech absolutist” lol
Joker@discuss.tchncs.de
on 20 Dec 2023 18:46
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I think I will put in a support ticket about it just for the hell of it. They have time for petty shit like this but still haven’t fixed the automatic wipers that have been broken since August. Automatic wipers are actually a necessity in this car because the only way to operate them manually is with a few clicks on the touchscreen. It’s dangerous. They kept closing my support requests for it until I gave them the number for the NHTSA complaint I filed. I’m so sick of this turd and his shitty companies.
ExfilBravo@lemmy.world
on 21 Dec 2023 18:36
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All his fanboys should be absolutely shitting bricks about this since Elon has been out there for years saying that people who purchase Tesla vehicles absolutely own them. He’s been spouting this bullshit since they got caught remotely crippling software features YEARS ago, but this is further proof Tesla owners are completely at the whim of a tyrannical douchebag who decides if you get the privilege of using something you paid for the way you want.
If it weren’t for double standards, he’d have no standards at all.
And neither would the fanbois
you don't even own all the bits you do buy. you pay extra to unlock them. preinstalled, extra-cost dlc.
They won’t. His fanboys will find an excuse for his shitty behavior like they always do.
It’s like hoping flat earthers would suddenly come to their senses once they see the evidence. They won’t. They would find some other shitty excuse for their stupid belief.
Edit: stupid autocorrect. lol.
I do believe that flat feathers exists somewhere on this pale blue dot / sphere of a world. But methinks you accidentally added an “f” to eathers and don’t mean to talk about feathers.
I would guess that 80-90% of owners are ignorant (some willfully), or try to separate the man from the company, and not just unrepentant fanboys/girls
But yeah, agree on the fanboy thing. SpaceX too (which personally I find extra unfortunate since they've done some REALLY good things in the LEO launch market and space stuff in general).
I wonder how much of SpaceX’s success has happened not because of Musk, but despite him
I'm not even remotely a fan of the guy at this point, but from everything I've read, a lot of it was actually because of him.
Tesla too.
But also a lot of the negative parts of those companies, and failures. And at the Boring Company. And TwitX, etc.
Whatever contributions he's made are rapidly evaporating, though. He had plenty of problems 1015 years ago, but the last 5 have been a massive, rapid slide in his contributions, reputation, etc.
Ah yes that must be why SpaceX employs multiple professional handlers whose responsibility it is to distract manchild Mosk with shiny bits whenever he gets close to making an actual decision
Even if true, someone can both be a piece of work and successful.
Like how a guy can be a complete moron piece of shit AND a top neurosurgeon.
Also that person can be a steadily worse neurosurgeon and become more and more just a moron piece of shit.
Each time he pulls shit like this, more people see the light about him. This one is going to disproportionately affect people who either still like him or just thought that they could own a Tesla without being affected by his stupid shit. It might hurt the stock price as some come to understand that his Twitter feuding can boil over to his other companies. Today might be the best time to exit a Tesla position (or maybe that’s just wishful thinking).
His fanboys are mostly reich-wingers nowadays, and they’re completely impervious to reality-based arguments
Don’t forget that they are smug thinking they are saving the planet
Not sure how many diehard Musk / Tesla fans even believe in climate change
You ate correct, but they won’t waste any chance to be smug
Reich wingers are smug about that...?
EVs exist to save the auto motive industry, not the planet
I agree 100%
Share and enjoy
Go stick your head in a pig?
I’m your plastic pal who’s fun to be with
Oh, Musk. You really wanna join the ranks with DeSantis?
You can not out lawyer the mouse.
He and DeSantis are already buddy buddy, DeSantis always seems to make sure to protect Musk’s interests whenever there’s some law change that effects Tesla/SpaceX.
Shit, Florida has already put provisions in place to protect SpaceX incase they accidentally kill someone.
Imagine buying a $50k car and they take away features because the CEO is having a temper tantrum and wants everyone else to suffer.
You’d have to be a fool to give this guy your money.
A fool and his money are easily parted.
If only it was just money.
There are people joining waiting lists to let Musk put microchips in their brains.
Don’t know why the hell you’d need a streaming service in your car anyways
I guess you don't become the manufacturer of the brand with the most auto collisions without putting a big screen on the dash and offering a dozen streaming services.
Though I suspect there's a correlation between being stupid / selfish / lazy / unpredictable and owning a Tesla.
Oh geez, I want to give you an upvote for the first half and a downvote for the second.
It’s a whiplash experience to move so quickly between fair-minded discussion and needless arrogant bigotry.
If you want to call me bigoted against Tesla owners I will laugh at you and wear that badge.
I think a person that buys a car from a cryptofaciest's company, known for their labor rights suppressions, poor build quality, poor design quality, poor resale value, and poor maintenance options, Is a dumbass.
As we all know, Dr. Martin Luther King’s speech…
Wait wut? Judging people for being shitheads is allowed?
Bigotry: Obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group
Being a bigot against Nazis is a-okay in my book.
Judging people for what they have done and what they believe in is 100% fine and compatible with Dr. martin Luther King.
Let’s be honest, Tesla is the new BMW, the brand associated with self-important upper-middle-class management pricks.
“BMW always stops with a jerk” has been a joke since before Tesla existed, and now Tesla has inherited the throne.
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This entire thread has been rampant generalisations and shitting on an entire group of people for owning a product. Real Reddit energy which I ignorantly thought we’d be better about.
Yeah, Elon sucks, but all of a sudden that must mean Tesla owners are Nazis? Come on, what a load of bullshit.
As someone who uses it a lot: you don’t need it. But it is nice when you’re waiting for someone, which I do a lot of because sigh I’m basically a soccer mom now. (Kids don’t play soccer and I don’t drive a minivan but…yeah, the comparison is sadly apt.) These days, my kids use it more than I do, since a few times a week they are stuck with me waiting for the other sibling to get out of their activity. Can all this be solved by just handing them my phone instead? Sure.
As of yesterday, pretty sure my Disney+ app was still there, maybe because we’ve used it before, per the article. My daughter would be upset if it disappeared, but if it does I’ll just bring a iPad and hotspot it. Whatever. Maybe I should be more upset about this but I’m kind of resigned to Musk being an asshole man-child and honestly kind of depressed about being linked to him even if I’ve had the car for years and generally love it.
Fellow Tesla owner, and you really summed up my feelings too in that last paragraph.
Books. Even when waiting for the other kid at a sporting event. Books. 45 minutes in, food. 1 hour plus? Some youtube. This is privilege working against the kids.
I think you’re replying to the wrong guy
More for passengers than for the driver. Or if you're parked up.
"Citing fire hazard, Disney bans Tesla vehicles from their properties, worldwide." would be a hilarious headline.
That would at least have some data to back it up. This is just a man-child throwing a hissy fit because the free market decided it didn’t want to do business with Twitter.
I mean, Disney is run by adults, so I suspect they’re sitting over there watching Elon punch himself in the balls and laughing about it.
You’re just the right kind of evil, that’s amazing.
Chaotic good?
CEO of public company actively makes product worse because of business dealings at a seperate private company owned by said CEO. Not that Tesla shareholders don't already have enough reason to be pissed, but good lord.
And it's not a "feud" that would imply Disney is being petty instead of making the fucking obvious business decision to pull advertising spend from the dumpster fire of racism and controversy that is Twitter.
Maybe it’s just me, but choosing where you advertise has always seemed like bullshit with no real evidence to back it up.
Do people really believe that Disney will lose customers if they show ads on xvideos? How do you even explain that to your children, who won’t see the ads there in the first place?
I can see a small media backlash that revives itself every so often, but that’s all. Frozen 3 gets announced and all of a sudden nobody cares.
Lmao Elon boutta find out that you do not fuck with the big D.
Proof that you can’t buy maturity.
Sounds to me like Elon is trying to blackmail Iger.
Instead, Tesla’s board moves to oust Elon. More likely scenario imo
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Bob, you know what you have to do. Remove him from Iron Man, that’s petty, useless and perfect.
OMG that’d be hilarious. Also don’t even say a word to anyone, just have an editor trim that 3 second scene from IM2 and replace it on the disney+ streaming service with this new version.
Better yet, deepfake over him with someone he’d hate. Changes nothing, enrages him
STARK: “wow, your intellect is stunning. I look forward to seeing what you’ll be able to accomplish in the next few years”
CAMERA PANS
GRETA THUNBERG SMILES
That'd be funny, but pretty counterproductive.
I’m sure this is old news but Musk has a cameo in an iron man movie?
As another once said, “Elon Musk is a stupid man’s genius,” and after all of his tantrums, I see it as true.
Manchild.
Can you imagine spending all that money on a car and expecting certain features, only for them to change based on the whims of a manchild who gets his feelings hurt?
Can you imagine spending that much money on a car where this is even possible?
Seriously, don’t ever buy a car that can have something uninstalled remotely without your consent. I can’t believe we’ve sunk this far.
Rich people don’t buy Teslas.
People who want to pretend they’re rich do.
Should be grounds for a lawsuit.
If not by Tesla-owners, then certainly their stockholders.
I couldn’t imagine seeing my investment take a dip because the CEO is having personal beef with another one of his poorly-run companies.
It’s just a full screen browser. You can get it for any website. There’s a simple work around that’s been there for years that uses a YouTube URL to force full screen but then redirects to Google. Then you can just go to Disney. It’s really not that big of a deal.
Why would you have a streaming service playing on a screen very visible to the driver?!?! No wonder Tesla has such a high accident rate.
You know these can only be used while in park, right?
I get this but why have it on the first place?
Entertainment whilst waiting for the damn thing to charge 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, phones could never
I’ll tell you that it’s super nice to be able to watch things with other people in the car while you are all waiting on the car to charge.
Also, you don’t have to hold a phone and the screen is better.
This week on billionaire’s gossip: who’s gonna pull their ads out of which social media network… and will they block each other on their app stores or IRL?! Stay tuned to find out if your Tesla is affected!!
Since Twitter has nothing to do with Tesla (beyond the emotionally stunted owner) this is serious line being crossed. I mean - I don’t care about Tesla. But I do care about SpaceX and Starlink as they have serious geopolitical implications.
Some country’s leader disses Twitter and they don’t get to launch satellites. Or their people don’t get satellite internet.
This amount of power should not be in the hands of one rich guy with an inferiority complex.
SpaceX and starlink are dead in the water and utterly useless until Musk has them taken away. As long as he’s running those, they’re just shitty companies with lots of empty promises
SpaceX is the main contractor of NASA.
Because Republicans gutted NASA for decades. They absolutely loathed that it was a generally beloved program by everyone. And for every dollar of funding saw multiple times that in the value it created. What SpaceX did wasn’t something that NASA had never thought of. They just never had the funding to really pursue it. And especially in the wasteful manner Elon musk has.
What did spaceX do, exactly?
We’ve had re-usable spacecraft rated for human passengers since the Space Shuttle.
Reentry vehicle sure. Launch vehicle, no. The ocean floor is littered with booster stage debris. NASA had experimented with a lot of different methods to reach orbit. And had even looked at things that SpaceX eventually built. But never had the funding to build themselves.
SpaceX is nothing but the culmination of a Reagan era fascist fever, dream. Ofdismantling good governance. Privatizing everything possible and then price gouging.
I just saw SpaceX’s most recent rocket launch and it looked like they detached the boosters.
I think they exploded afterwards, too.
Absolutely. But that’s only because Elon musk doesn’t mind throwing away money. He’s got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He’s blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time.
Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn’t look like they accomplished anything we haven’t done before.
Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new.
SpaceX has Musk handlers to keep Musk away from SpaceX.
I wouldn’t say they’re quite dead in the water but he definitely has plenty of power to enshitify them.
He already shut off the Ukraine from starlink when he felt like it.
Tit for tat Disney and Tesla.
If he fucks with SpaceX though, NASA can just stop dealing with them. They would go real quick from being profitable to begging for people to use their service.
If he starts getting a lot of back pressure from the EU and US on what he can launch, I can put a serious dent in his wallet.
You can? Because he already has. Please do!
“when he felt like it” isn’t exactly correct, he specifically didn’t allow them to use starlink to launch attacks on Russia, as it was meant to be used only for defense.
I mean, if you’re being invaded, doesn’t anything you do to fight back count as “defense”?
Not according to the USA initially
The problem is, none of us have real knowledge about what happened there. All we have is conjecture and/or propaganda.
It’s equally reasonably possible that he has ties in Russia.
SpaceX has never been a good investment for NASA.
Not necessarily SpaceX but they needed something.
The problem with NASA is that the funding waxes and wains with the administrations, as does the demands of the administrations to give them the money.
If something takes more than 8 years to happen chances are the project never comes to fruition. NASA has really slowed down in development in recent decades.
Not all the innovation SpaceX is doing is really warranted, though most of it’s kind of cool. But they are investing in research and development in places that NASA simply can’t get to.
Starlink is just a way for spacex to capitalize on that research and development. They are their own sister company customer.
That said they can all turn into dog shit in a matter of months if somebody got a stick up their butt
Don’t know why you’re down voted. They’ve been promising man on mars any day now for years.
The mars thing is really a small part of what they do, although it gets the press. They are pretty much the only real game in town for satellite launches, and, I think ISS transport (especially since Soyez is Russian and there’s not a lot of good will going on there…). Even Amazon uses them for launches. It’s approaching monopoly status for critical infrastructure (we’re very dependant on satellites as a society now).
Mars is a labour of love for future ambition, but it’s not the main show.
Whether the root cause is historically poor NASA funding or not (I think there’s a strong argument for competition and private sector IF it’s properly governed, but it never is…), the fact is that we’ve created a situation where vast amounts of geopolitical control rest with a single person.
Why are there streaming apps in cars?
So I can watch something while I wait for my wife to finish shopping…
The streaming apps only work when the car is in park.
Why not just stream your phone to the screen?
I could. But it’s a much nicer experience watching it on the 15” central display than a phone.
I think you misunderstood me
I did misread it.
I’m not sure I understand what the point of using your phone would be? The car already has cellular connectivity which enables things like viewing security cameras remotely, turning on air conditioning, etc. So it’s not like a streaming app is tall ask.
Why necessitate a workaround for a billionaire man baby’s tantrum?
My stance would be the same whether the app is there or not
You can go with your wife, you know?
I was thinking the same thing. Waiting in the car like a lazy child.
Unless the baby is sleeping and you don’t want to wake them.
I’d rather not leave a young child unattended, and she doesn’t need (or want) my help choosing fabric.
So you can stream while it charges
Why do they have movies on planes? Are we not all pilots on a plane too? Never saw someone with kids in a car 🤣
yes the screen is definitely for passengers
🤡
You need something to do while you are charging the batteries… ;-P
10 years ago if someone had told me that in the future the tantrums of a billionaire petulant manchild would decide what features are available in your already paid for car I wouldn’t have believed them.
On the other hand, 10 years ago there’s almost no chance you would think that the Disnet Chanel would be a feature in an automobile.
What a wildly weird time we’re living in.
Tablets, Netflix, offline video files, and mobile internet all existed 10 years ago.
The only thing that has changed is the level of control you have over the screen and where the content is coming from.
Features of whatever external devices you bring to your car, is not a feature of the car.
AFAIK, only Tesla has native video streaming from the interface screen in the car, so most cars still don’t have this functionality.
Bro 10 years ago was 2013
I was watching movies on a LG Optimus Link android smartphone in 2011
I wouldn’t have not believed it, but I would be bummed to learn that we still haven’t made contact with three-tiddied aliens.
Truly the darkest timeline.
The darkest timeline would be we have made contact with three-tiddied aliens but they were only interested in contacting high ranking officials in shadowy, sketchy U.S. government agencies like the CIA and military. That is what a lot of conspiracy minded people would have me believe and honestly if that was true those would be some lame af aliens. Like… all of all the people on earth to establish first contact with, you chose those losers?
When they said you couldn’t make contact with the rest of humanity you were just like yup seems like these dipshits have the authority to decide that for the rest of humanity?
Those would be some lame aliens and THAT would be the darkest timeline.
I would have.
What a pathetic gesture. I’ll show them, I’ll take away features from my cars! No one subs to Disney+ just because they can watch it in their car. All you’re doing is pissing off tesla owners and scaring away potential owners with your little bitch fit. Pathetic.
Gotta love having a subscription for your car to give you a worse service than before because a man child bought a social media site.
Cancel culture.
Hi Elon fans
What a tantrum-throwing manchild.
Eh, Tesla plays this game too?
Petty-ass move.
It’s all he’s got, aside from that apartheid golden parachute
Any of my knowledge of this is based on the show Succession, so I probably have no idea what I’m talking about, but couldn’t Tesla’s board remove Elon as CEO for making terrible decisions that negatively affect shareholders?
Yes, they could once they prove that Elon’s actions are impacting the day to day at Tesla regardless of conduct. The issue is the board is made of sycophants who will vouch for Elon, namely James Murdoch, JB Straubel, and his brother, Kimbal Musk
And, if Elon had a real board, this probably would have already happened. This is a perfect example of why. What problem has Disney caused Tesla that they could possibly articulate to a customer that would justify this move and not cost them good will if nothing else, and sales likely especially as this gets a ton of coverage? “Yes, I understand your frustration, and yes I can hear your kid screaming in the background about not being able to watch Frozen while you’re stuck charging. But you see, sir/madame, our CEO has a very, and I really have to make sure I state this correctly, but very tiny penis. It’s so small, just constantly peeing on his balls (which are also very small.) We here at Tesla let him compensate for this by making the product worse for you, our paying customers. Anyway, can I interest you in a CyberTruck? Please? We’ve only sold 3 and my family needs to eat.”
Holy shit. Who wants products with this much control given to someone else?
I seriously have no respect for anyone who buys apple or teslas.
Bro, why you lumping apple in with musk?
Seriously, apple does a spectacular job at user privacy and security, probably second to none.
Because apple forced an album onto user’s phones just because they were paid to do it.
Is this satire?
Let’s be real here, google and every other company sells you out to their advertisers instantly and even double dip and triple dip on your info wherever they can. Apple doesn’t and they take their security seriously. Feds are always crying about how hard it is to break into iphones, telcos are complaining how apple protects it’s users (because telcos have an interest in monetizing those apple users), and the payouts for finding security vulnerabilities for apple products are very high.
Google and apple are absolutely on different ends of the spectrum of user privacy and security
Yes but when push comes to shove, they prioritise money. See apple serves in china being accessible by the goverment.
I do agree that it is nice that apple has things that protects buyers from telcos but, I do feel like the no bloatware and no different phones in regions is a image move so apple products are more easuly understandable for the average consumer (so more money).
I will totally agree with you it all does come down to money, but I feel Apple/Tim Cook is still principled in this regard - he has made a stand that the customer is not the product, and the investors/share holders appear to respect this boundary so far. All that is needed is a shithead CEO to come in and squeeze every cent, which at that point might very well be to monetize users like Google. Anything can change tomorrow.
Btw I’m a hobbyist security researcher, and the more I study Apple/iOS/MacOS, the more impressed I am. I don’t actually have any apple devices, but I’m really starting to consider it
Inb4 Linux
This only means that Apple don’t allow anyone else to do it, not that Apple itself does not do it.
True - show me proof Apple monetizes it’s users, then we can continue this discussion
Ever tried to read the Apple privacy policy ?
Kind of wild how this guy feels entitled to have people pay him
And here I am just now learning that cars have streaming media apps? That seems insane to me in the first place…
Pretty sure they can only be used when parked like when you’re charging. Even at a super charger, it’s going to take 20-30 minutes to get back on the road.
Ah I didn’t think of the charging times and maybe needing something to do while you waited. Alright, it’s suddenly much more sane.
Oh well… if you have kids in the back seats and a long travel it would not seems too insane
Is there anyone left out there that hasn’t given their old cell phones to their children? My kids won’t watch tv, they’ll whip out phones when we’re all in the living room.
Anyone but the driver could watch.
“free speech absolutist” lol
I think I will put in a support ticket about it just for the hell of it. They have time for petty shit like this but still haven’t fixed the automatic wipers that have been broken since August. Automatic wipers are actually a necessity in this car because the only way to operate them manually is with a few clicks on the touchscreen. It’s dangerous. They kept closing my support requests for it until I gave them the number for the NHTSA complaint I filed. I’m so sick of this turd and his shitty companies.
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