Firms are exploring sodium batteries as an alternative to lithium (www.economist.com)
from kalkulat@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 06 Nov 2023 22:10
https://lemmy.world/post/7894773

Na-Ion can be a lot less expensive. But it’s a lot heavier. (Not a problem for grid-storage.)

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EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de on 06 Nov 2023 22:15 next collapse

As a flashlight enthusiast, I’d be very interested to see if sodium batteries are any better.

[deleted] on 06 Nov 2023 22:39 collapse

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db2@sopuli.xyz on 06 Nov 2023 22:45 next collapse

Just make a flat battery and roll it up. 🧌

IHeartBadCode@kbin.social on 07 Nov 2023 00:03 collapse

Material scientists hate this one trick.

EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de on 06 Nov 2023 22:46 next collapse

Well I’m all about developing new technology and allowing the very best to sell the most.

Maybe someday in the future there will be an alternative to lithium batteries that really is better. But as you said, Sodium batteries aren’t as good.

[deleted] on 06 Nov 2023 22:57 next collapse

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topinambour_rex@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 04:36 collapse

All depend on which point you compare. Because for charging, sodium win over lithium.

RaoulDook@lemmy.world on 06 Nov 2023 22:58 collapse

They are actually better than Lithium in several ways. Sodium batteries have most of the capacity of Lithium batteries by weight, around 80% if I recall. But what they have to offer is being completely non-flammable, tolerant to wider temperature ranges, and they are made of materials that are cheap and abundant almost everywhere. It’s much better than having to source Lithium and Cobalt.

We could put Sodium batteries everywhere to power the grid since they are super safe, should be fine outdoors even.

Usernameblankface@lemmy.world on 06 Nov 2023 23:57 collapse

Ok, so that sounds good for grid size battery packs and backyard generator replacements as well as indoor wall packs.

capital@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 03:04 collapse

And like 80% of car trips.

Usernameblankface@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 11:10 collapse

Yes! It would be great for a cheap daily commuter.

cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Nov 2023 00:16 collapse

There are cylindrical cells available. The capacity is pretty low, 18650 cells are around 1.5AH and 26700 cells are around 3.5AH. They discharge down to 1.5V, so you will get less capacity if you use them in something designed for lithium cells.

[deleted] on 06 Nov 2023 22:35 next collapse

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Thalion@lemmy.ca on 06 Nov 2023 22:41 next collapse

Because we’re speaking English, not Latin?

captainlezbian@lemmy.world on 06 Nov 2023 22:51 next collapse

Quare loquimur anglicus?

db2@lemmy.world on 06 Nov 2023 22:55 next collapse

Toccare!

RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world on 06 Nov 2023 23:18 collapse

Romani ite domum!

Pons_Aelius@kbin.social on 07 Nov 2023 00:27 collapse

What's that supossed to say?

RojoSanIchiban@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 04:00 collapse

Well it would have said “Romani ite domum” if I didn’t typo that.

At least I didn’t write it as “Romanes eunt domus” like some weirdo.

(It’s a Monty Python reference)

marsokod@lemmy.world on 06 Nov 2023 22:51 next collapse

Most likely because the news is in English. And why would Natrium be better on an international forum?

It is Sodium in most Latin languages (despite Natrium being Latin), in Hindi and in Arabic. And Chinese has a different root. Among the 10 most spoken languages (according to Wikipedia), only Russian is using Natrium.

[deleted] on 06 Nov 2023 23:07 collapse

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n2burns@lemmy.ca on 06 Nov 2023 23:11 next collapse

As a native English speaker, I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone call NaCl just “Sodium”, it’s always called “Sodium Chloride”.

[deleted] on 06 Nov 2023 23:16 collapse

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marsokod@lemmy.world on 06 Nov 2023 23:15 collapse

I always said salt, of sodium chloride for NaCl. Who is using sodium for table salt? The only time I heard that associated was when saying that table salt is a source of sodium, which is true.

squiblet@kbin.social on 06 Nov 2023 22:53 collapse

I’ve never heard natrium before. I guess I could learn. We could also call pineapples ananas.

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terminhell@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 07 Nov 2023 00:17 next collapse

Can we eat them?

jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Nov 2023 00:42 next collapse

Battery-licking good!

SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de on 07 Nov 2023 08:19 collapse

At least once, yes

TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 04:05 next collapse

BYD is supposedly bringing them to production.

cleantechnica.com/…/the-sodium-ion-battery-is-com…

topinambour_rex@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 04:37 collapse

They are already in production, and sold to consumer, since few days. A french start up is selling an electric screwdriver with a sodium battery.

Gregorech@lemmy.world on 07 Nov 2023 14:04 next collapse

So the answer to the question about what to do with the excess salt from desalination plants, is make batteries?

kalkulat@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 00:40 collapse

Good point !

Gregorech@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 00:53 collapse

Now we just need a lot of swimming pools for the chloride.

threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works on 07 Nov 2023 14:33 collapse

Have they eliminated the need for sodium to be molten in sodium batteries? If so, that’s great news!

kalkulat@lemmy.world on 09 Nov 2023 00:39 collapse

IIRC sodium is the -cathode- in the battery. No molten (RU thinking of reactors?)

threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works on 09 Nov 2023 19:04 collapse

I’m not thinking of reactors, though I am aware that molten sodium is used as a coolant fluid. It seems that I was remembering an off-hand comment in a MinutePhysics video from a few years ago. Molten sodium batteries do exist, but regular sodium batteries also exist.