from AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today to technology@lemmy.world on 08 May 07:46
https://lemmy.today/post/28973921
Tesla has confirmed its latest bait-and-switch: Cybertruck owners will not get the Autosteer feature they paid for.
Instead, they will get a year of ‘Supervised Full Self-Driving’.
When Tesla started delivering the Cybertruck in late 2023, the software was incomplete, especially regarding its Advanced Driver Assist System (ADAS) features like ‘Supervised (FSD) Full Self-Driving’, which was included in the price of all early Cybertrucks.
It took Tesla almost a year to start releasing its FSD on the Cybertruck.
After Tesla stopped making new Cybertruck Foundation Series, which are fully loaded with all options, buyers started to have the option of buying the $8,000 FSD package or keeping only the Autopilot package, which is included in the price.
Autopilot’s two main features are Traffic Aware Cruise Control and Autosteer. The first is self-explanatory, while Autosteer is Tesla’s name for active lane keeping.
The vast majority of Tesla vehicle owners don’t buy the FSD package.
As of now, 16 months after Tesla started delivering the Cybertruck, the automaker has yet to deliver Autosteer on the electric pickup truck.
Today, Tesla started reaching out to Cybertruck owners to let them know that it won’t make Autosteer available for Cybertruck owners who haven’t bought FSD:
“As we improve our Autopilot technology, our feature sets will change. Accordingly, Autosteer will not be available for Cybertruck outside of Full Self-Driving (Supervised).“
Instead, Tesla offers a year of free FSD trial to Cybertruck owners.
More details in the article.
My favorite part is how they’re now saying both "full self-driving’ and “supervised”.
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Buy from a con-man, get conned. Whoop-de-doo-de-doo.
I mean concidering Tesla lost the EU market, it’s likely this will go unchallenged. but yes shitty but expected from the company.
Cybertruck isn’t allowed in the EU anyway so our regulatory agencies and courts have no power over it. Plus they could just enable it in EU and keep disabled in US if there was a verdict in the EU court system that they have to honor their original terms.
interesting, I wasn’t aware it wasn’t allowed sale.
It is a rolling safety hazard. Have they done any crash tests with pedestrians?
Yes, it obliterated them and passed the test.
The passing requirements seem to differ vastly by region.
They don’t make pedestrians like they used to.
Isn’t Supervised Full Self-Driving an oxymoron? How can it be both Supervised and Full Self-Driving?
Parentheses, duh.
Supervised Full Self-Driving seems like a euphemism for driving with a driving instructor. You fully drive yourself but someone supervises you while you do it.
It can’t be both. It’s not self-driving. That’s just what they call it to oversell it. I’m assuming they had to add the “Supervised” part for legal reasons.
They should get fined for being ambiguous and be forced to call it what it is.
It’s called what it is because of the laws that demand any self driving/automated driving be “supervised” and require regular checks that the driver is paying attention.
You’re essentially saying that Tesla should be made to do something that they’re already doing.
It is not all the same.
You are full.
The car is self driving.
Tesla’s interns in India are supervising both you and the car.
It finally makes sense
Just like Amazon’s walk in walk out stores where Indian people did the actual checkout for them…
But I haven’t eaten since lunch yesterday 🥲
You know, some are full of solids, some… fluids, and some… even superfluous :)
Its because Elon Musk is an oxy moron
The actual answer: It should be Level 4 autonomy. It is capable of full self driving, but only in certain conditions.
Do note that Tesla autopilot is actually only SAE level 2, so it’s just a straight up lie :)
No it’s not.
It fully drives itself, but legally you need to “supervise” it. It’s called that because of the laws around driving a car.
Fully man… fully.
Aww, poor babies
‘bait-and-switch’ They’ll really call it anything but fraud huh.
Bait and switch is a specific type type of fraud.
Yes but bait and switch has less negative connotations and implies some cleverness on the part of the fraduster. Nothing even remotely clever was done here, Tesla made a deal and then flat out broke it Trump Style.
Bait and switch is literally promosing something and fhen replacing it with something else, which is what happened here. It doesn’t imply any cleverness and has extremely negative connotations.
Cultural difference perhaps? I’ve always known it to be more specific, still roughly that but usually the replacement item is visually very similar and the victim accepts it after previously being shown a similar but non-shitty version. Like those black friday TVs you get in the US that look just like the brand name ones people expect them to be but are actually shittier electronics shoved into the same casings. The switch is meant to happen before purchase.
Those companies would get in legal trouble in the US if they admitted to doing it intentionally by calling it a bait and switch. They hide behind legal shenanigans like putting ‘limited supplies’ in fine print.
Everybody hates being on the receiving end of bait and switch. Nobody thinks it is clever except the person committing fraud, and they hate it when someone does it to them.
Tesla commits ‘oopsie-daisy’. Cybertruck makes a ‘big boo-boo’.
I hope every single person who has, or ever will, buy a cybertruck a lifetime of misery and misfortune
May they stub their toe on every step for the rest of their life
But also may they sue for false advertising and cost Tesla legal fees and result in them being obligated to provide these services for free.
DOGE already defunded that government department.
Nah thats the government’s ability to regulate.
He hasn’t defunded the courts, so private lawsuits can occur. (At least he hasn’t as of today, maybe he will tomorrow)
They do this to juice the gross margin number and make the auto business appear more profitable.
wccftech.com/tesla-plans-to-record-1-billion-in-f…
Class action goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Ass action go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
By no means am I here to kink shame, but that’s super off topic.
Yes, I know & agree :(.
It’s just what my brainhole does to micro-entertain itself.
I’m sure there’s some bullshit fine print about binding arbitration. It’s so cool that corporations can just say “we waive your fundamental rights because we feel like it” and it’s just…legal. Greatest country on earth.
Companies can say whatever they want in their fine print but it’s not legally binding. If you want to do a class action over this, go for it.
No, that’s literally not how binding arbitration works in the US.
Snake oil salesman.
VW where rightly punished for Dieselgate yet seems like the Texan is getting away with it (again). I also blame the US media. Remember to this date Tesla has never spent a cent advertising in America, their entire hype machine has been fuelled by sites like The Verge (until they eventually woke up a few years back - by which point Tesla had already sold gazillions of shares and took customers deposits). This is why we need real journalism more than ever, the bodies that regulate these cowboys are no longer fit for purpose.
hey look your shitty truck that isn’t the truck is going to be shitty
Tesla is the Fyre Festival of automotive manufacturers, except in this case Billy has managed to keep the kite in the air for an astonishingly long time.
Come on now, why the stupid hot takes like this?
Without Tesla electric vehicles would still be in the dark ages. Think whatever you want about Musk, but what he did for electric vehicles with Tesla cannot be understated or taken away. He revolutionised the entire industry and kickstarted the EV path we’re on.
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Autostreer to far right might sound good to some (apparently??) but it’s an issue in actual traffic.
It’s absolutely pitiful that they can’t figure out lane-keeping when a cars a fraction of the price have it.
It’s also a huge red flag that they are shipping “self driving” but can’t do lane keep assist.
I have this on my Honda Fit for fuck’s sake.
Oh they know how to do it. They are just desperate to swindle existing owners since their vehicle sales have fallen off a cliff.
I don’t think they can, because they’re suffering so much from the rectal-cranial inversion that Musk started with his FSD.
Muskrat insists on using computer vision entirely, and building it in-house. Tesla (probably EM) as I recall also insulted MobilEye so they refuse to do business with them. Mind you, I think lane keeping is generally a computer vision problem.
FSD has lane-keeping in it. It’s not up for debate if they can do it or not, because they’ve been doing it for years.
Also I’m not sure what other technology you think they would use for lane-keeping other than cameras and “computer vision”? Things like Lidar don’t work for this because lidar can’t see lane markers. The only way to do it is with cameras.
Both. You can use both LiDAR and optical teaming, the technologies complement each other so you don’t fall for a Looney-Tunes ass painted wall, while the camera covers the one-dimensional recognition that LiDAR can’t.
They’ve “figured out” lane-keeping - they’re just keeping it reserved for FSD. It’s in FSD. They’re just now flipping to not offer it as a standalone feature, which don’t get me wrong is a shitty move.
Is that the same lane-keeping that Full-Self-Drives into concrete barriers? cnn.com/…/tesla-trial-wrongful-death-walter-huang
Autopilot != full self driving, firstly
Secondly, well done you found that the software in testing wasn’t perfect. Gold Star for you!
Lmao they put lane-keeping assist behind a marketing-wank paywall for their already expensive EVs - something manufacturers like Subaru and Hyundai has made standard across their entire line for years now
What a sad joke this company has become, another example of failed leadership valuing yes-men and sycophancy
Hyundai Lanekeep is better than teslas too
I rode in a 2019 Subaru Ascent (like a big Outback) a few years ago, the lane keep assist was great even back then, not to mention the blind spot monitoring and all that. and it was all included. wtf is Tesla even doing with all that time and money??
I love mine. Combined with adaptive cruise, it’s amazing for slowly rolling traffic, longer journeys, and stop-and-go traffic. I’m under no impression the car is ‘driving’ but having a machine take over the mental load is great and frees up that capacity for other driving tasks and/or awareness of the road.
Tesla calling that technology “Auto” anything without it being genuinely 100% autonomous should have landed someone a fat fine or jail time
Kinda like how autopilot works in planes
Relevant Archer clip
It’s going to Elon Musk bank account.
Yeah, plus the assist feature shuts itself off when it can’t be used (ie. driving into the sun) unlike Tesla’s version that instead chooses to ram you into a building then blames you for it by disengaging 0.1 seconds before the collision.
Goddamn even full ass vehicles are going the early access lifecycle.
This tesla coil is a downward spiral!
Shame on you if you still believe promises made by Tesla 😂 They are kinda like promises made by Trump 😆
Yes, yes sir, I’ve found the terrorist, right there! /s
every non-vandalized cybertruck is an affront to decent society
So besides Trump and Musk being passionate fuck buddies, how is this legal? Surely this is fraud and deceit right?
A fine is just a fee for breaking the law.
FSD? Fake Self Driving? False Self Driving? F#@& Says Driver?
umm… good? This might actually might have saved some lives.
By not delivering lane-keeping? I appreciate the unreasoning hatred, but some reasoning would be good too.