Five Men Convicted of Operating Massive, Illegal Streaming Service That Allegedly Had More Content Than Netflix, Hulu, Vudu and Prime Video Combined (variety.com)
from TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml to technology@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:14
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shortwavesurfer@monero.town on 21 Jun 2024 18:20 next collapse

It’s sad that these people got taken down. Maybe the next people to do it will do it from a country that does not have extradition with the United States, so they would be safe.

Edit: As for payment providers attempting to take such a service down, Monero would be the answer to this.

Wilshire@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:21 next collapse

Direct link

justice.gov/…/five-men-convicted-operating-major-…

Grippler@feddit.dk on 21 Jun 2024 18:23 next collapse

“The group used “sophisticated computer scripts” and software to scour piracy services”

They used the basic tools that most(?) pirates use today like sonarr and radar??

I don’t mind people pirating…i do mind people pirating and profiting from redistribution.

sunzu@kbin.run on 21 Jun 2024 18:35 next collapse

redistribution = service?

Why would they work for free?

Not gonna pretend like this aint illegal but i don't cry over some IP owners losing money... EVER, fuck 'em

Grippler@feddit.dk on 21 Jun 2024 18:45 collapse

Oh I don’t care that the IP owner don’t get money.

IDK, I just don’t like the ethics of pirating media for profit, the entire idea is that it should be accessible to everyone, not just those with money. Cover your operational cost? Sure…Making millions in subscriptions? That is an asshole move IMO. If you’re paying, you might as well pay the people who are making the media in the first place instead of some rando that had nothing to do with it.

sunzu@kbin.run on 21 Jun 2024 18:47 next collapse

All fair points.

I think the issue is that IP owners are mega corps, ie people who made the content don't own it and can't provide it anyway.

KoboldCoterie@pawb.social on 21 Jun 2024 19:46 collapse

This doesn’t seem that different from paying for usenet. It’s not like they’re making DVDs of pirated movies and selling them on the street corner; they were basically just aggregating content and the service they were providing was making it easily searchable and accessible, not doing the actual pirating, from the sound of it, unless I’m misunderstanding the situation.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 02:12 collapse

This doesn’t seem that different from paying for usenet.

i would think it would be a little different from usenet, considering that usenet would be a service that you pay for, and people who use that service would host content on it, so that other users can download that content. Which effectively removes the immediate liability that you would have in this case, where you are explicitly hosting a pirated streaming service, and then charging for it, for the explicit purpose of streaming said pirated content.

KoboldCoterie@pawb.social on 22 Jun 2024 02:35 collapse

Yeah, I suppose I should clarify - that was in response to the objection to paying for pirated content; it’s different from the service provider’s point of view, but from the end user’s point of view, they’re paying for pirated content either way.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 03:38 next collapse

yeah, from an end user perspective, it’s the same.

But i was referring mostly to the legal technicalities there, where one would be significantly more spicy than the other.

Nice root instance btw, getting jumpscared by pawb.social is a rather funny timeline to live in.

Grippler@feddit.dk on 22 Jun 2024 05:43 collapse

I don’t have an issue paying ISPs to access pirated content either, that’s the same as paying for Usenet access IMO. You’re paying for network access for a lot of different things, pirated content just happens to be part of it. Paying a streaming service specifically for pirated content is vastly different from paying for general network access, even from an end user perspective.

yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Jun 2024 19:39 next collapse

Guessing they used Sonarr, Radarr, qBittorrent, maybe an NZB client…

Would you look at that, I’m sophisticated now.

Damage@feddit.it on 21 Jun 2024 23:41 collapse

Maybe even Jellyseerr

cmbabul@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:58 collapse

Yes. Charging money for sharing content like that makes them little better than grifters

[deleted] on 21 Jun 2024 18:25 next collapse

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shortwavesurfer@monero.town on 21 Jun 2024 18:26 next collapse

My guess is because they did all the pirating for you so you didn’t have to worry about dealing with the technical hurdles of doing so.

If a service like this came around that allowed me to pay with Monero and did not require any personally identifiable information, I would totally fucking use it.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:30 next collapse

My guess is It’s probably cheaper and has much greater variety. You can watch anything from any streaming service through one single interface at the price of one service.

sunzu@kbin.run on 21 Jun 2024 18:34 next collapse

piracy is a service issue.

also, fuck IP owners, pigs got too fat while cutting on service.

polonius-rex@kbin.run on 21 Jun 2024 18:35 next collapse

because piracy is a service problem

slurpinderpin@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:49 next collapse

because IPTV is like $6 per month and has every single channel known to earth… it’s a tiny fraction compared to any cable especially if you watch sports (the only real reason to pay for cable anyway)

kakes@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 18:55 next collapse

Because all the legal services are incredibly anti-consumer and are offering less services, with (more) ads, for more money every year.

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:32 collapse

The entire system exists for the benefit of business, not customers.

Just look at what happens with accused theft in a store. You get accused of theft? Cops are there in no time, take you to the ground, throw you in the back of the cop car. only after they’ve gotten the humiliation and brutalization in might someone come and take your proof that you didnt steal anything.

You accuse the store of stealing from you? Due to not following their own policy on returns, or overcharging and an item and not fixing it Police won’t even show. just tell you its a civil matter and to suck it up.

sonovebitch@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:27 next collapse

Access to Usenet providers is not free

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:30 next collapse

I dont subscribe to any streaming service (except the occasional free prime trial, to be full disclosure), not even the one in the news story… but I can still answer your question…

Because I want to pay a single service to watch everything. Like Netflix used to be. Watch everything I want, for one monthly price that was reasonable.

But its not like that anymore. Every company looked at how well Netflix used to do, went “Fuck them! I want all that money for my self!” and took their content off Netflix, and made their own streaming services.

Now if you want to consume any media, You have to subscribe to 50 different subscription services, for hundreds of dollars a month, Which is just Cable 2.0 but with worse service and options.

exanime@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 20:05 next collapse

Pirating implies some knowledge and effort some people may not have or want to get into

Paid Legal services are so enshitified some people may think they are getting ripped up

Paid illegal services are often HUGE bang for buck value (no enshitification, no limits, no nonsense and often better customer service)

jonne@infosec.pub on 21 Jun 2024 22:29 next collapse

You pay like $5/Mo for the content of all streaming services and more instead of the $500/Mo it would cost to subscribe to each of them individually. Plus you’re not taking any legal risk as a customer.

fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de on 21 Jun 2024 23:22 next collapse

The majority of piracy is not free.

I’ve paid for usenet, seed boxes, private servers, and more recently torrent cache services.

You pay because it’s much cheaper than commercial services and a better experience with more content.

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 00:02 next collapse

Because the legal options are garbage.

The pirates provide a better service with more content for cheaper than the legal options; and pirating yourself takes effort as well as cost (hardware, trackers, usenet, etc).

Some people are happy to just pay for decent service; others like to learn about the process, then setup and run their own servers.

To each their own.

sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today on 22 Jun 2024 00:58 collapse

In addition to other things people responded with, piracy services tend to not collect users data or prevent us from watching with a VPN enabled.

Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com on 22 Jun 2024 01:22 collapse

or prevent us from watching with a VPN enabled.

Man this one chaff’s me the most. I way a paying Netflix customer like 8 years ago. I had IPv6 setup as a 6rd tunnel through HE (Hurricane Electric) because my ISP didn’t offer IPv6. Netflix treated that as a VPN and blocked me as a paying customer… Even though I lived/payed from the same fucking locale. It’s not like I was using a VPN to bypass a Geoblock. I was just making IPv6 available to myself. I cancelled because of that. You do not get to tell me how I access the internet at large, especially when I’m not even being shady about it.

Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:37 next collapse

183,200 TV episodes is pretty modest compared to alternative “non-approved” sources.

One datapoint is one source (that has a rule against any TV/show content released in the last 5 years) has a total number of 19.5K shows and TV movies/specials, with ~80 K releases. For many shows a single release can be a full season.

slurpinderpin@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 18:51 next collapse

I run a massive streaming service too, which is also way bigger than all the streamers combined. It’s just only distributed over my private home network. Jellyfin for the win!

snapoff@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 19:01 next collapse

You’re under arrest!

Gsus4@programming.dev on 21 Jun 2024 19:18 collapse

Throw this national menace into federal max security solitary confinement, next to Hannibal Lecter >:/

Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz on 21 Jun 2024 20:14 next collapse

Not without paying licencing fees for Hannibal Lecter first!

Gsus4@programming.dev on 21 Jun 2024 20:21 collapse

What a terrible shame it would be to have a friend over to watch the telly without a loicense…🧠, wouldn’t you say?

TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social on 22 Jun 2024 01:35 collapse

You ever heard of a man Hannibal Lecter he was a “nice guy”.

  • Donald J Trump
Tja@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 13:03 collapse

Great late Hannibal Lecter*

shalafi@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:49 next collapse

Love my Jellyfin server, but I have 2 gripes over just using VLC.

  • Can’t use the scroll wheel for volume. It’s a pain aiming for the volume from across the room on the couch.

  • JF won’t boost volume past 100% like VLC.

Know of any fixes?

Bronzie@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 19:56 next collapse

Are you playing directly on your server?

For the first one at least you could solve it by running JF with a Chromecast or similar device.
Feels cleaner than a wireless mouse in the living room too, IMO

gdog05@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 20:04 next collapse

You can run your Jellyfin connection inside of Kodi which has a ton of configuration options like the volume control.

tabular@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 20:53 next collapse

Can’t right click to pause the video in VLC ;c

Beetschnapps@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 21:15 next collapse

Use kodi for last mile?

VLC is great as a file playing app, terrible as a home server…

ripcord@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 21:20 next collapse

It’s weird to me that anyone would use a PC hooked up to a TV from a couch in 2024, but I’m sure it (otherwise) works for you.

InternetUser2012@midwest.social on 21 Jun 2024 21:59 next collapse

Why is weird?

ripcord@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:15 next collapse

Instead of using a streaming or other settop device? That’d be far, far more normal for the use cade.

InternetUser2012@midwest.social on 21 Jun 2024 23:12 next collapse

I find it convenient, but I’ve had pc’s hooked to tv’s since broadband became a thing. I can watch anything, download anything, play games, check banking, ect.

ripcord@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 23:25 collapse

Fair enough.

TrickDacy@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 02:01 next collapse

I have one of those Google streaming devices but I hate giving up my privacy. Also, I saw fast food ads on the device’s home screen one day and I couldn’t disable those. That was the last straw.

So now I use a raspberry pi 5 running arch with Firefox to stream everything to my TV. I even got a remote working with it that works fairly well, moves the mouse and everything. It was a lot of work but now I own my experience and don’t have to give Google my data in that particular way anymore.

shalafi@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 03:06 collapse

I’m using a wall-mounted TV as a 2nd monitor.

ripcord@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 03:13 collapse

From a couch, though? That was the use case here.

I have one of those as well for one desktop system. And I will stream to TVs as a second monitor from laptops sometimes. But I don’t think that’s the setup they have.

Which of course is a good setup if it works for them! Or for you :)

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 09:44 collapse

Already back in the 00s you could get a media player box, with a remote, that hooked to you TV and played video files from any share in your network or an HDD hooked up to it.

Nowadays you can get an Android TV media player box with Kodi on it (or you can install it), again with a remote and hooked to your TV to do the same as that 00s media player box but looks a lot more fancy.

Or instead of an Android TV you can get a Mini PC or older laptop, ideally with Linux, with an HDMI output which you connect to your TV, install Kodi on it and get a wireless air-mouse remote (if you get one with normal remote buttons rather than the stupid “for Google” ones, the buttons seamlessly integrate with Kodi so you don’t really have to use the air-mouse stuff).

Alternativelly if you want to avoid Android but don’t want to spend 150 bucks on a mini PC, you can get one of those System On A Board devices like one of the Orange Pi ones, put LibreElec on it (small Linux distro built around Kodi) and do the wireless remote thing with it.

The back end of any of this is either files on a NAS, on a share on a PC, a harddisk connected directly to the device or even something like Jellyfin running somewhere else (which can be outside your home network) or even any of the many IPTV services out there.

It has never been this easy to put together a hardware and software solution, entirely under your control - read: just as easy to use for corporate streaming services as for “personal” media - to watch media in your living room with the same convenience as purpose built devices for that, and it has never been this convenient to use or looked this good.

InternetUser2012@midwest.social on 22 Jun 2024 12:08 collapse

I think it’s just easier to use a cheap computer. You can use your vpn, adblockers, takes zero setup time to watch whatever you want to watch.

The 00’s comment, I modded the original xbox to run xbox media center (XBMC) which turned into Kodi. My friends where blown away I could download movies and watch them on my tv.

Aceticon@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 15:47 collapse

Well, the easiest IMHO is the Android TV box (mainly because it comes with a remote) but I personally have a cheap Mini-PC because I used it to do a lot more than just being a media box and it still just sits in the living room in the TV stand.

Way back when I started (trying to have something in my living room, rather that absolute started which was way before that) all that I had was a cheap media box with an interface that was basically a file browser, accessing files over Samba.

Stuff is way fancier nowadays AND you can do it with much cheaper hardware if you want to.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 02:09 collapse

it’s not weird at all, for one, you get to use a keyboard, for second, you get to use actual real hardware that isn’t spying on you and selling your data. You also get to use a real QWERTY based, or whatever other layout you want that isn’t ABCDE what a fucking abomination that layout is.

plus you get a whole desktop OS if you please, or if not you can cold roll something specifically for a TV. You just have so many more options, than you do when using a smart tv or generic streaming box.

slurpinderpin@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 21:23 next collapse

I don’t watch on my computer, that’s just where it’s hosted. I watch mostly on my AppleTV using Infuse (also great for other Apple products as well)

geogle@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 21:33 next collapse

JF won’t boost volume past 100% like VLC.

For when you need to take it to 11

Brickhead92@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 21:47 collapse

Couldn’t you just make 10 louder?

Tja@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 13:04 collapse

And then add 11

criitz@reddthat.com on 21 Jun 2024 22:36 next collapse

You might want to consider streaming it on your TV. Modern TVs should have a Plex app at the least. Or use a Chromecast or other setup. I watch on my couch with the TV remote. Its the same experience as watching Netflix.

slurpinderpin@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:45 next collapse

Plex isn’t Jellyfin though. Lots of TV’s/TV OS’s have Jellyfin app but it’s pretty basic. I’d recommend an AppleTV with Infuse, it’s super built out with all sorts of great features. It’s a better app than all of the streaming services

Damage@feddit.it on 21 Jun 2024 23:43 collapse

Ew Apple

slurpinderpin@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 03:25 collapse

I know this might sound crazy, but I use both Apple devices AND non-Apple devices! Oh the horror!

Damage@feddit.it on 22 Jun 2024 09:26 collapse

Ew Apple

slurpinderpin@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 10:09 collapse

Macbooks beat the shit out of any comparable windows laptop. And iPads beat the shit out of any android tablet. And AppleTV is the best TV OS by far. Life must be hard when you just hate things because its popular to hate them.

Tja@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 13:07 next collapse

Crossing my fingers for the new Snapdragons, especially Linux support.

The M series MacBooks are just in another league vs x86 laptops.

slurpinderpin@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 13:38 collapse

Yeah I got a M3 MacBook Air recently and it’s by far the best laptop I’ve ever had. Battery last forever. If the new snapdragon chip lives up to the hype then one of those will likely be my next

maccentric@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 16:04 next collapse

I like the appleTV OS, but I really despise the remote.

Damage@feddit.it on 23 Jun 2024 13:53 collapse

No, I just like freedom

slurpinderpin@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 18:33 collapse

Same here! That’s why it’s so amazing that I can buy different brands for different uses! So free to do what’s best for me! Wowzers!

Damage@feddit.it on 23 Jun 2024 20:40 collapse

Maybe one day you’ll understand

shalafi@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 03:05 collapse

I am streaming to my TV. 50" TV on my desktop for a daily driver, 55" (wired) on the wall for media.

criitz@reddthat.com on 22 Jun 2024 03:26 collapse

I guess what I meant was to run it on a TV-native platform that you control with your remote, instead of streaming your PC display to the TV and still using the mouse and keyboard. Xbox has a Jellyfin app for example. I use Plex and my TV has an app for it. Also I can use Chromecast and throw it up from my phone or PC and control that with the remote.

TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social on 22 Jun 2024 01:39 next collapse

What platform are you on that you need to use VLC?

shalafi@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 03:04 collapse

Windows PC. I’m wired from my 50" TV monitor to a 55" on the wall.

n0clue@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 06:05 collapse

You use MPV as the player instead of VLC.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 02:06 collapse

Can’t use the scroll wheel for volume. It’s a pain aiming for the volume from across the room on the couch.

apparently this is supposed to be coming in the 9.0 feature release. So soon™ I’d have to look to be sure, but apparently it’s coming.

Volume is weird, i feel like i’d almost like either a “volume target” option, to match volume levels between content, or some sort of fixed audio boost level. Idk.

vividspecter@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 04:36 collapse

Volume is weird, i feel like i’d almost like either a “volume target” option, to match volume levels between content, or some sort of fixed audio boost level. Idk.

Adding replaygain tags to your content could help here, but it’s a manual process, particularly since it’s not normally included in released videos. And I’m not sure if jellyfin supports replaygain tags from video (presumably it does for audio only files).

mpv definitely does support it at least, with “–replaygain=track”.

Of course, none of this helps with OPs situation, because enabling replaygain will actually lower the volume on most files, so it can account for high dynamic range content.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jun 2024 00:48 collapse

yeah considering i have literal terabytes of youtube content on my jellyfin, i think i’ll probably abstain, unless i do some really dirty automation on it, in which case i might not, because that would be funny.

MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 02:45 collapse

How many PBs you got and how many clients (humans)?

How much traffic across your network in terms of a daily average?

Do you have a local recommendation system running? For example I found a last.fm clone, self-hosted hut I haven’t found much for video

slurpinderpin@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 03:27 collapse

Uh it’s just me and whoever is on my local network. I don’t port anything or have any users outside my home. When I go on trips I just download movies and shows from my network to my devices

kakes@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 18:57 next collapse

Love how they make this sound like some incredible feat. When you aren’t bound to license agreements, turns out it’s actually very easy to have a “massive” content library. Literally the only hurdle is storage space.

Wrench@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:25 next collapse

I mean, distributing it isn’t a small feat. Plus you need to manage subscriptions, billings, CMS, a front end to navigate the content, etc.

That’s no small amount of work, even if they used out of the box solutions for many layers.

themurphy@lemmy.ml on 21 Jun 2024 20:59 next collapse

5 people could do it though.

ripcord@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 21:17 collapse

Depends how many users.

But yeah a lot.

jonne@infosec.pub on 21 Jun 2024 22:26 next collapse

All of those things already exist. Typically it’s just a Plex server running on a cloud service.

batmaniam@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 23:05 collapse

Yeah like… Netflix has peering agreements and whatnot but… It’s not 2005.

iopq@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:51 collapse

Both Wikipedia and Stack Overflow just have a few dozen fast servers despite being some of the world’s highest trafficked websites

calcopiritus@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 08:20 next collapse

The entire content of the wikipedia fits in a pen drive.

Streaming video is a lot more expensive than text and images.

Irelephant@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 09:29 collapse

That is just the text content, Wikipedia has pictures and videos as well. Not to mention the other Wikimedia projects

calcopiritus@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 10:25 collapse

I doubt Wikimedia streams even 0.1% of what netflix does.

Tja@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 13:02 collapse

Not only that, stackoverflow does it using windows! (or used to, at least)

Bronzie@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 20:00 collapse

Yeah it costs, depending on quality of course.
My 14 TB disks are filling up faster than I expected and I am not close to Netflix’s catalogue.

Sabin10@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 21:24 collapse

Yeah, I got a 14tb drive back in February and it’s 90 percent full already. My media collection will always grow to fill the space available.

Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 21:46 collapse

You guys wouldn’t happen to have any tips on DVD ripping would you? I’d like to go all digital but I just can’t make Handbrake work.

ADandHD@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Jun 2024 22:14 next collapse

This is my fork of an existing solution

github.com/…/MakeMKV-Auto-Rip-Concurrent-Ripping-…

hogmomma@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 03:01 next collapse

I’ve never gotten Handbrake to do anything I wanted. DVD Shrink, on the other hand, is one of my top five most-used apps. It’s quite old, but DVD encryption hasn’t changed since its release.

www.dvdshrink.org/download.php

serpineslair@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:59 collapse

I couldn’t either… I ended up using dd, though it’s probably not the best way by a long shot.

confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:02 next collapse

Proving Netflix could be replaced by five hard working people.

bionicjoey@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 2024 19:26 next collapse

Proving Netflix could be replaced outdone by five hard working people.

ThePantser@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:29 next collapse

Proving Netflix should could be replaced outdone by five hard working people.

AnxiousDuck@feddit.it on 21 Jun 2024 22:35 collapse

Proving Netflix should could be replaced outdone by five hard working people.

variants@possumpat.io on 21 Jun 2024 23:15 collapse

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Tja@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 12:54 collapse

Things are easier if you can steal stuff. And operate on a small scale.

anlumo@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:58 next collapse

They didn’t need the army of lawyers to get license deals, so that’s not a fair comparison.

FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml on 21 Jun 2024 20:17 next collapse

Its almost like its unecessary shit made up in order to keep profits away from working people artificially

WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 20:41 next collapse

Yeah its almost like if we didn’t keep extending copyright protections a bunch of stuff would be in the public domain and any streaming service could offer it without having to deal with licensing.

Brickhead92@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 21:43 collapse

I mean that’s all well and good, but then how would the very deserving shareholders get dividends?

Won’t somebody think of the shareholders!?

jabathekek@sopuli.xyz on 21 Jun 2024 23:20 next collapse

PLS KEP LNE GOE UUP

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 28 Jun 2024 08:07 collapse

  1. Take over a failing company
  2. Hold a shareholder meeting
  3. Show the line going down
  4. Turn the chart upside down
  5. Become a hero to the shareholders
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 02:03 collapse

maybe if they actually invested some money somewhere they would make some money for once.

GBU_28@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 23:32 collapse

It’s true that Hollywood is corrupt and csuite pay is absurd, but those deals are the only mechanism by which ANY money makes it to the writers, actors and staff who deserve it

BossDj@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 00:06 collapse

It’s the exclusivity bullshit that gets me.

It could be: New movie is released! Anyone who pays the price tag gets to stream it!

But no, we must bidding war gouge.

On top of that, X Y and Z services exist in America, but not in other countries, so in this other country, everything is on Netflix, while I had to jump between three different services at one point just to watch Stargate

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 01:03 collapse

Hey, you’re just salty that you didn’t get in on the ground floor when Stargate was being exclusively streamed in a dedicated Stargate streaming service

BossDj@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 02:21 collapse

Stargate+ Maxx Ultraviolet

[deleted] on 21 Jun 2024 23:32 next collapse

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uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jun 2024 00:53 next collapse

If we get rid of the licensing we get rid of the lawyers.

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 01:00 collapse

If you get rid of licensing you get rid of the content

zbyte64@awful.systems on 22 Jun 2024 01:42 next collapse

Certain types of content. But YouTube’s own existence started because people made content without licensing rights.

evidences@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 04:07 next collapse

Technically YouTube exists because three horny nerds wanted a dating site with video integration. It only turned into a video sharing site when they realized they couldn’t find the clip of the Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction and they decided they wanted to build that platform instead.

x4740N@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 12:05 collapse

I wonder what youribe would have been like if they didn’t sell to google

MeThisGuy@feddit.nl on 22 Jun 2024 21:52 collapse

probably redtube

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 08:07 collapse

I don’t think YouTube really compares to Netflix

Cosmicomical@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:31 next collapse

Not really. I can undersgand licensing but at this point it’s become a distopian practice completely separated from the basic need to monetize the content an make a profit. That’s why those companies become such gargantuans monsters.

JasonDJ@lemmy.zip on 22 Jun 2024 12:34 next collapse

If you save the cheerleader you save the world.

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 14:05 collapse

If you save the cheerleader then the creepy serial killer will join the team.

JasonDJ@lemmy.zip on 22 Jun 2024 17:02 collapse

If you give a mouse a cookie, he’s going to ask for a glass of milk.

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 23 Jun 2024 07:13 collapse

Nope. People will still make content. It’ll be on far less of a budget, but that didn’t stop the Film School generation of independent films in the 1970s (before which you had to sell your life and soul and beating heart to a studio). In between all the schlock were the occasional arty films we consider classics today.

And then there’s government subsidization of art projects, as per the National Endowment of the Arts.

I think the MCU movies, the DC movies, the many studio iterations of Spiderman have shown us what capitalism eventually churns out. Sony actually chose this path content as product the same resort to formula that plagued the music industry in the 1980s (and drove the Hip Hop Independent movement of the next half-century).

We just need to empower artists. Make sure they don’t have to moonlight as restaurant wait staff in order to eat and pay rent while they create, and make sure they have access to half-decent (not necessarily high end) hardware with which to do their thing. And yes, as Sturgeon observes, most of it will be schlock, but through sheer quantity of content we’ll get more gems than Hollywood is putting out.

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 2024 09:32 collapse

If you take away the ability to own and control your intellectual property, then you won’t be empowered.

Licensing art allows creators to earn a living off of their hard work.

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 24 Jun 2024 20:41 collapse

Not in the US or the EU. If you make music in the States, then RCA or Sony owns your content, not you, and when they decide they’ve paid you enough (which is much less than they’re getting) then they still own your stuff. Also, if you make an amazing film or TV series ( examples: Inception, Firefly ) and the moguls don’t like it, they’ll make sure it tanks or at least doesn’t get aftermarket support, which is why Inception doesn’t have any video games tie-ins, despite being a perfect setting for video games.

Artists are empowered in their ability to produce art. If they have to worry about hunger and shelter, then they make less art, and art narrowly constrained to the whims of their masters. Artists are not empowered by the art they’ve already made, as that has to be sold to a patron or a marketing institution.

No, we’d get more and better art by feeding and housing everyone (so no one has to earn a living ) and then making all works public domain in the first place.

Intellectual property is a construct, and it’s corruption even before it was embedded in the Constitution of the United States has only assured that old art does not get archived.

I think yes, an artist needs to eat, which is why most artists (by far) have to wait tables and drive taxicabs and during all that time on the clock, not make art. The artists not making art far outnumber the artists that get to make art. And a small, minority subset of those are the ones who profit from art or even make a living from their art, a circumstance that is perpetually precarious.

But I also think the public needs a body of culture, and as the Game of Thrones era showed us, culture and profit run at odds. The more expensive art is, the more it’s confined to the wealthy, and the less it actually influences culture. Hence we should just feed, clothe and home artists along with everyone else, whether or not they produce good or bad art. And we’ll get culture out of it.

You can argue that a world of guaranteed meals and homes is not the world we live in, but then I can argue that piracy (and other renegade action) absolutely is part of the world we live in and will continue to thrive so long as global IP racketeering continues. Thieves and beggars, never shall we die.

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 08:11 collapse

Sorry, I’m not going to read all that, but it seems like you’re upset about the shitty deals made by record labels and other large corporations, not intellectual property rights.

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 25 Jun 2024 08:51 collapse

The notion of the latter informs the former. The public domain is intellectual property rights of the people. Restricting the public domain takes that away.

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 09:17 collapse

So if an artist creates a piece of intellectual property, do you not think they should have control over how it’s used? Including who can make profit off of it?

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 25 Jun 2024 09:41 collapse

That’s an extremely vague question, and presumes that any art is de facto intellectual property.

It also presumes that anyone has access to the institution that defines and enforces intellectual property.

Also, intellectual property isn’t a real thing, but you don’t want to read too many words, so you’ll have to figure that out for yourself.

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 10:39 collapse

In most if the modern world, copyright laws give automatic ownership of unique works of art. Legally IP is a real thing.

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 25 Jun 2024 19:12 collapse

Is it your intention to appeal to law? Here in the states, extrajudicial detention and torture by state actors is legal. Does that make it right?

Do you think the copyright term of life + 70 years is fair to the public? Do you know how we got here?

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 22:37 collapse

I think there’s room for improvement on copyright laws, but that’s a far cry from the outrageous claim that intellectual property isn’t a real thing.

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 26 Jun 2024 00:49 collapse

Infringement of IP is a crime according to specific states, but if you make art, and I replicate it, it doesn’t affect you.

If you write a story and I read it without paying you, it doesn’t affect you.

The only reason IP is a thing is because short-term monopolies on media (or inventions or methods) were enshrined by specific states as law, and then spread through trade agreements, and they were expanded on without concern for their original purpose or for the good of the public. In fact, we’re seeing fair use rights fade since states aren’t willing to enforce them, and platforms like YouTube over censor.

So at this point, in the US, the EU and the eastern market, no IP law would be better than what we have.

So no, you have not demonstrated any reason I should have respect for your IP.

However, if you’re going to insist, and be an IP maximalist, there is one thing I can do for you /to you (or Sony, or Time Warner, or Disney) that is worse than pirating your product.

And that, of course, is not pirating your product.

Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world on 26 Jun 2024 10:57 collapse

You are thinking about IP with tunnel vision. You just want to gain entertainment for free. There’s more than that to IP laws. How would you like it if you made art that was then used in a manner that you philosophically disagree with. For example, Meghan Trainor had a song that was used against her will in a political campaign against same sex marriage, she was able to cease and desist this use because of IP laws.

wagoner@infosec.pub on 22 Jun 2024 03:31 next collapse

Or fund new content

GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 06:50 next collapse

Their scale was also an insignificant fraction of what Netflix has, making the point even more irrelevant.

The best figure I could find on Jetflicks user count was 37k, where as Netflix has 269 million users.

calcopiritus@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 08:16 collapse

Prices should go down with scale not up though.

There’s initial investment on the initial servers (and the software), and afterwards it should be a linear increase of server costs per user, with some bumps along the way to interconnect those servers.

The cost also scales per content. Because that means more caching servers per user and bigger databases, and licenses.

So this service has less users and more content, it should be way more expensive. The only reason they are cheaper is because they don’t pay those licenses.

GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 08:28 collapse

The cost of storage in this case is more or less irrelevant - traffic is what matters here. You’re also not getting any mentionable bulk discount on the servers for that matter.

The key is that you can engineer things in completely different way when you have trivial amounts of traffic hitting your systems - you can do things that will not scale in any way, shape or form.

confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 19:32 collapse

Precisely. So much added expense for zero, or rather negative, added value.

AshMan85@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 20:49 next collapse

The only reason all companies prices go up these days is for CEO pay packages

6gybf@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 21:29 next collapse

I think it’s more for major shareholders (which includes CEOs, of course)

werefreeatlast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:12 collapse

Like Boeing’s CEO making 300 million… imagine 300 people who worked their ass off could make million. Or 1500 hard workers could be making 200k. But nah, let’s just drag these huge bags of money into this one asshole’s account. Oh there were a couple of crashes right? 👍 Our thoughts and prayers 🙏. But not our money wagons.

AshMan85@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 14:48 next collapse

Regulate monopolies and eat the rich.

MeThisGuy@feddit.nl on 22 Jun 2024 21:48 collapse

but wait… there’s more
astronauts

iopq@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:50 collapse

Did they make the shows too?

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 08:45 next collapse

Does Netflix? Or do they pay production companies for content?

iopq@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 13:33 collapse

They use the subscription money to pay production studios. What did the pirate site use the subscription money for?

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:41 collapse

Servers, electricity, bandwidth, blackjack and hookers.

tetris11@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 08:49 collapse

Does Netflix make shows? Or does it slam its name onto filmmakers it pays to make content? If so, one of those things simply requires throwing cash at people, which I think is a skill that most people can learn.

iopq@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 13:32 collapse

Did the pirate site pay anyone to make new shows?

tetris11@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 19:57 collapse

They had to operate under the radar to avoid the law, so you know the answer to your question

iopq@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 02:01 collapse

So Netflix actually pays for shows to get made, so when everyone pays for Netflix, it lets everyone enjoy them. Pirate sites only extract value from the hard work of the producers, without paying them.

tetris11@lemmy.ml on 26 Jun 2024 21:47 collapse

producers don’t make the content, they speak to the right people in their exclusive circles to finance it, put their name on it, and then pay the directors and actors a tiny fraction of what it earned

iopq@lemmy.world on 27 Jun 2024 02:29 collapse

Okay, now tell me how pirate sites contribute to creation of said content

tetris11@lemmy.ml on 27 Jun 2024 10:57 collapse

They make the shows actually accessible so that they can reach the desired audience and generate a fanbase in the first place, which producers could then use to exploit for revenue.

If you covet a precious jewel behind closed doors, people will just walk on by without knowing its value

iopq@lemmy.world on 27 Jun 2024 16:52 collapse

You can’t have revenue from people who are watching it for free

tetris11@lemmy.ml on 28 Jun 2024 07:33 collapse

Yeah you can, music artists do it all the time - you get them on branding, merch.

iopq@lemmy.world on 28 Jun 2024 07:58 collapse

That’s a good point, but I’ve never seen merch for less popular shows.

warm@kbin.earth on 21 Jun 2024 19:02 next collapse

Just slap them on the wrist and send them on their way.

themadcodger@kbin.earth on 21 Jun 2024 20:46 collapse

No, slaps on the wrist are only for rich people. If you inconvenience rich people, that's unforgivable.

nick@midwest.social on 21 Jun 2024 19:16 next collapse

The poor copyright holders. Won’t someone think of the corporations for once?

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:22 next collapse

It harmed no one and nothing.

TV and Film are just angry that competition did it for a reasonable price and provided a superior service for it.

thirteene@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:50 collapse

I have 0 sympathy for the studios/distributors but they also did not pay the licensing fees.

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 23:05 collapse

then i guess the studios should stop enshitifying streaming and make a service thats affordable and worth using, huh?

lemmylommy@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 19:45 next collapse

If they had more content on offer than the big legal streaming services combined, should that not tell us something about the quality of legal offers?

krashmo@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 20:34 collapse

What’s there to learn that isn’t already widely known? Existing (copyright) laws are asinine and all corporations eventually become consumed by greed. That’s America in a nutshell.

Zacryon@lemmy.wtf on 21 Jun 2024 21:29 next collapse

Capitalism wherever it is found. Not just the USA.

jonne@infosec.pub on 21 Jun 2024 22:24 collapse

It’s not even copyright laws, it’s everyone insisting on exclusive contracts. There’s no reason a piece of content couldn’t be on Netflix and Disney+ at the same time. It would be a lot better for consumers if streamers could compete on price and service instead of which content they managed to create/licence.

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 22:53 next collapse

Exactly. I like Netflix’s service, but Disney’s content. Why can’t I just pay for a Disney bundle on Netflix? Likewise with Max, Peacock, etc.

Lawyers are why we can’t have nice things.

helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 23:44 collapse

Music streaming has proven this for years now, all the major brands have massive collections that make its super easy to pay and listen to just about anything.

Early Netflix proved this when everything was readily available for an affordable pricre.

jonne@infosec.pub on 22 Jun 2024 00:58 next collapse

Yep, you choose between Spotify, Tidal, etc based on price and how well the app works, not because one service has the band you like while the other one doesn’t (not that music streaming isn’t its own shitshow for other reasons, of course).

downhomechunk@midwest.social on 22 Jun 2024 01:11 next collapse

Me in the 90s and 00s: yarrrr!

Me in the 10s: it feels good to be legit

Me in the 20s: YARRRRRRRRR!

Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jun 2024 15:55 collapse

It felt good to live in a world where being legit was reasonable.

vividspecter@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 04:24 collapse

The situation is a lot better with music, but it’s not perfect. There’s still issues with region locking content, and content only existing on one service and not another.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 08:53 collapse
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 2024 20:44 next collapse

I wonder how that compares to my own collection…

<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/50ee9fb2-a68e-4c5f-8d0f-6eabb1057fc4.jpeg">

I haven’t found a source for the size of Netflix/Amazon/Hulus libraries; but I haven’t looked all that hard either.

MorrisonMotel6@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 20:52 next collapse

You gotta pump those numbers up

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 2024 20:55 collapse

Storage is expensive :/

That’s already almost 36tb, after conversion to HEVC which compressed it ~40%

TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee on 21 Jun 2024 21:12 next collapse

Storage is cheaper than it’s ever been if you get HDDs

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 00:37 next collapse

Cheaper, but it’s still not cheap and I really don’t have a whole lot of disposable income rn.

TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 02:31 collapse

You can get 12tb renewed drives for $100. A lot will even have decent warranties. If you’re lying for like, 3 streaming services, and cancel all three in favor of saving your own media locally it pays for itself quickly. Especially if you download stuff from like HBO Max.

This is doubly true now that streaming services have started raising prices and pay walling content.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 02:14 collapse

really large hdds are still really expensive, the prices have somewhat plateaued at this rate. Nobody really needs such massive drives, and their isn’t exactly an incentive to produce larger drives, especially now that everyone seems to be moving to ssds.

TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 02:33 collapse

They aren’t though, price per GB on renewed storage with warranty is less than 10 cents a GB. That’s insanely low compared to just five years ago.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 03:34 collapse

that’s also renewed storage, and i guess compared to the last decade it’s pretty good.

But even then compared to the continual creep of file sizes, it’s debatable. I mean 4k took off the last 5-10 years. I have yt videos ranging from 1-20 GB for 4k content now.

MrJukes@lemmy.today on 21 Jun 2024 23:53 collapse

How did you convert to hvec? I’d love to do that on my entire library but don’t know where to start. I’d also love to burn subtitles into some foreign films since Plex is generally terrible at doing subtitles…

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 00:12 collapse

Up until now, I’ve been using the convert tool in Emby server. You can select a whole library and convert it, or individual items/playlists/collections; with options to automatically convert new media as it’s added.

Tbh, I’ve been having a bit of trouble with it re-converting media it’s already done, so I was looking for another solution.

Someone in this thread mentioned tdarr, so I’m going to be looking into that this weekend. Seems like a much more manageable tool with more powerful options.

/edit; I should also mention, this is a long process. Using an rtx4080, it was almost 3 full months non-stop to convert my entire media library from mostly h264 -> h265.

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 02:13 collapse

I should also mention, this is a long process. Using an rtx4080, it was almost 3 full months non-stop to convert my entire media library from mostly h264 -> h265.

and if you’re looking to do software conversion you’re easily looking at years, but considering how long most media servers will be up for, it might actually be worthwhile to aggressively automate that so it just runs in the background while you aren’t looking. Also eats up additional CPU time which might be a benefit for someone.

MrJukes@lemmy.today on 22 Jun 2024 04:16 collapse

Cool, I’ll check out tdarr. My server is sitting idle most of the time so I’m fine with it taking it’s time doing it in the background.

Edit Up and running. Pretty easy to config and get going. See you in about a year when everything is done…

KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 23 Jun 2024 00:46 collapse

i definitely wasn’t the one to recommend tdarr, but it seems like a pretty good solution, and rather flexible at that. So there’s that.

jwt@programming.dev on 21 Jun 2024 21:48 collapse

Impressive porn collection you got there.

djsaskdja@reddthat.com on 21 Jun 2024 23:20 next collapse

It’s probably all just Harry Potter fan fiction tbh.

RobertoOberto@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 04:32 collapse

porn collection

Harry Potter fan fiction

These two are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 00:34 collapse

I’m gonna need a lot more lotion…

digger@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 2024 21:49 next collapse

The group used “sophisticated computer scripts” and software to scour piracy services… for illegal copies of TV episodes, which they then downloaded and hosted on Jetflicks’ servers.

So they used some variant of Sick Beard?

aodhsishaj@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 23:48 next collapse

nah probably the arr stack

Sonarr: (Automatic TV series downloads)

Radarr: (Automatic movie downloads)

Tdarr: (Automatic transcoding of media, can help save you a lot of disk space)

Bazarr: (Companion app to Radarr and Sonarr, manages subtitles)

Prowlarr: (A replacement for Jackett from the Arr team)

Lidarr: Music

Readarr: Books

Mylar3: Comic books

Plex-Meta-Manager: (Automatic collections and metadata)

Overseerr: Request tracking and website front-end

Ombi: Let users request both movies/tv shows from a simple web interface.

Dopplarr: Discord bot to make movie/tv/anime requests

Pulsarr: Browser extension for adding movies to Radarr or Series’ to Sonarr while browsing IMDB or TVDB.

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 21 Jun 2024 23:53 next collapse

Tdarr: (Automatic transcoding of media, can help save you a lot of disk space)

That’s a new one to me, I’ll have to check that out. Thanks!

Been doing conversions via Emby, but it’s not a very powerful tool for that.

MeThisGuy@feddit.nl on 22 Jun 2024 21:56 collapse

not all heroes wear capes. thx homie

bitchkat@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 01:28 collapse

If you’re using sickbeard, switch to medusa. The originally developer of sickbeard is a nut case. He took the project back from the team that was doing development so they forked it and renamed Medusa.

boatsnhos931@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:09 next collapse

Why didn’t you nerds tell me about this, I’m over here hoofing it with this got damn 2tb ssd

sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works on 21 Jun 2024 22:50 next collapse

Depending on your TV, you can probably stream video directly to it from your computer.

HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 23:28 next collapse

only 2tb? that’s the size of my cache drives

aodhsishaj@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 23:47 next collapse

… LARC cache? Ha! Get on my level, 1.2TiB RAM BB

# Set Max ARC size => 1.2TB == 1,293,222,768,640 Bytes
options zfs zfs_arc_max=1293222768640

# Set Min ARC size => 180GB == 193,273,528,320 Bytes
options zfs zfs_arc_min=193273528320



couch1potato@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 03:23 collapse

<img alt="" src="https://imgflip.com/i/8umvox">

boatsnhos931@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 01:54 collapse

Impressive, how many inches is your clit?

fossphi@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 14:59 collapse

Bruh, I might have to steal this

boatsnhos931@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 16:26 collapse

As long as you always respond to their answer with ‘OHHH SCISSOR ME TIMBERS’

Entropywins@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:36 next collapse

Realdebrid + stremio just google those you’ll be happy friend

Irelephant@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 09:27 collapse

It is really good.

KredeSeraf@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 04:32 collapse

22tb emby server. For my home videos and pictures.

boatsnhos931@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 11:11 collapse

Your mom is very proud or at least that’s what I think she said… either that or don’t be too loud 🤔

KredeSeraf@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:01 collapse

Always cool to meet someone good with a ouija board.

boatsnhos931@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:16 collapse

I summon her with hard dick and bubblegum

KredeSeraf@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 18:26 collapse

My condolences. She was a terrible bitch but if you’re into that sort of thing.

boatsnhos931@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 18:43 collapse

I’m a terrible motherfucker so we vibe no cap

roguetrick@lemmy.world on 21 Jun 2024 22:45 next collapse

You gotta be stupid as shit to run something like this from the US and keep a financial tail of credit card payments to you.

You also gotta be stupid as shit to actually pay 10 bux for this.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:18 collapse

It ran functionally uncontested for ten years. And it would hardly have been the first underground streaming service to pivot legit and cash out.

Napster was sold for $85M back in 2002. Justin.tv rebranded as Twitch in 2011. Hell, AWS has it’s share of pirate hosted files.

uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 01:32 next collapse

Wait, is that actually Twitch’s history - Justin.tv?

neclimdul@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 01:41 next collapse

It is. Until recently it actually still used the domain to serve assets.

uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 01:46 collapse

Wild. What an obscure piece of internet history to have missed out on as an old Justin.tv user.

phoneymouse@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:21 collapse

Was Justin.tv doing copyright infringing things? I seem to remember it was just a guy streaming his everyday life. He would literally wear a hat with a camera on it and record everything he did all day. It makes sense that it became twitch because they solved a technical problem around mass streaming that empowers twitch today.

suction@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:31 collapse

I remember watching Pay-tv (Premier League / Bundesliga matches) on Justin TV back in the day, when it was still obscure enough to not attract the copyright holder’s attention. That was definitely infringing.

phoneymouse@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:23 collapse

I see… I only remember the very early days of Justin.tv and kind of lost track of it between then and when it became twitch.

aidan@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 04:16 collapse

Yeah but megaupload was legit but was still shutdown despite being massive

viking@infosec.pub on 22 Jun 2024 04:48 collapse

They had their servers seized, but were later returned and the service came back as mega.nz, legit and all.

aidan@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 05:06 next collapse

Yeah uh no. that’s not the whole story, Mega is a new company, the difference is it’s encrypted so the theory was they’d have no way to scan for pirated content. Mega was also seized people think, it’s unclear who or what currently opperates it. And Kim Dotcom’s extradition case is ongoing.

aidan@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 05:06 collapse

Yeah uh no. that’s not the whole story, Mega is a new company, the difference is it’s encrypted so the theory was they’d have no way to scan for pirated content. Mega was also seized people think, it’s unclear who or what currently opperates it. And Kim Dotcom’s extradition case is ongoing.

badbytes@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:28 next collapse

5 times the content. Where do I sign up?

kratoz29@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 01:39 next collapse

Check out Softwarr “for free” or Real Debrid and Stremio/Kodi if you wanna spend some well spend money, the latter guarantee more content than Netflix etc, the former everything that could ever exists on the internet.

GladiusB@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 03:01 collapse

It’s called notjetflix.org.gov

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jun 2024 00:57 next collapse

Jetflicks, which charged $9.99 per month for the streaming service, generated millions of dollars in subscription revenue and caused “substantial harm to television program copyright owners,

The ownership class will tremble before a communist revolution!

LonelyWendigo@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 02:01 next collapse

Yeah that competition really did demonstrate what an awful service all those media monopolies provided.

aidan@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 04:13 next collapse

To be fair, the service they provide isn’t hosting the videos, it’s making them, which I assume costs a bit more

Cosmicomical@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:16 next collapse

To be fairer nobody asked them to produce content. They decided to create it because it’s cheaper that licensing the actual good stuff.

aidan@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:17 collapse

eh some of it is good, I personally wouldn’t want to just watched licensed shows from 50 years ago

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 23 Jun 2024 07:26 collapse

Hence why copyright was originally in the 10-20 year range.

Movie star isn’t supposed to be a dream job that makes you fabulously rich, but a decent living.

Interestingly, musical artists who work off the web will do exactly that: Tour and make hundreds of thousands instead of millions (in the aughts and 2010s, so pre-inflation), rather than rolling the dice with the record labels.

aidan@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 07:37 collapse

Movie star isn’t supposed to be a dream job that makes you fabulously rich, but a decent living.

I mean, supposed to according to who?

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 23 Jun 2024 07:45 collapse

Capitalist ideologues, for one. I remember in Macroeconomics class that wealth desparity will destroy your economy and then your civilization if you let it get out of hand.

So when (for example) we have eight guys that own more than the poorer half of the world population, that’s a bad sign for every economy on the planet, and is going to cause way more problems than merely discontent and social unrest.

aidan@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 10:57 collapse

But, tbh, that’s just some guys opinion

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 23 Jun 2024 19:51 collapse

That’s rather dismissive. Also vague. Are you saying that the notion that wealth disparity is bad is just some guy’s opinion, or that you’re not supposed to be able to get rich being a movie star (or a private equity investor, or a hedge fund manager, or a California gold miner)?

Usually when people are vague and terse, I assume they’re losing interest in the conversation. It’s okay to walk away.

aidan@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 20:42 collapse

That’s rather dismissive.

I don’t mean it that way.

Are you saying that the notion that wealth disparity is bad is just some guy’s opinion,

This is true yes, but back to the original topic

or that you’re not supposed to be able to get rich being a movie star (or a private equity investor, or a hedge fund manager, or a California gold miner)?

This yes. I am saying nobody has any authority to assert what is or isn’t supposed to be highly paid, but it is fair to believe nobody should be highly paid.

Usually when people are vague and terse, I assume they’re losing interest in the conversation. It’s okay to walk away.

I really do genuinely appreciate the consideration, I’m fine right now, but thank you regardless!

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 23 Jun 2024 22:24 collapse

When it comes to capitalist macroeconomics, as I understand it, wealth disparity is one of the big decay factors the government is supposed to monitor and correct for. Mind you, I learned MacEc in the mid 1980s but even after theory shifted from national economies to globalist economics (the free(-er) trade movement of the 1990s) wealth distribution, and the bow of that graph was supposed to be kept shallow.

There are a lot of ways to restore some balance, such as taxing rich people and investing in welfare programs and social safety nets. In the case of freelance musicians (and freelance investments, which allowed people of lower income classes to invest sooner) these are just paradigm changes that allowed more people to participate, with the expectation that more people would be moderately successful rather than a few people being ostentatiously successful. Fewer Bruce Springsteens, more John Coultons. This wasn’t contrived by government though, so it’s more of a happy accident.

And yes, Marx in Das Kapital notes that the ownership class invariably captures government and regulation which ends efforts to keep wealth more evenly distributed so we have situations like now (or like the Great Depression, a century ago) where a few people own almost everything and aren’t willing to let it go, even though the only thing they can do by hoarding their wealth is accumulate more wealth. And history has continued to bear this out, and to show that a well-regulated capitalist system is only temporary at best, which has driven me to believe we have to figure out something better.

Post-scarcity communism would be ideal, but we haven’t yet worked out how to get there from here, and really I’d be happy for anything that doesn’t turn into a one-party plutocrat-controlled autocracy held together by fascism and a nationalist war effort.

And sure, economics is a soft science so this is all just someone’s opinion, though the someones in this case are multiple smart historical figures who actually thought about it a bit. I’m not an economist, so I rely on experts who are.

PS: This is my attempt to either find common ground, or to lay plain what my position is and where it comes from. I’m not invested in you adopting it, but if you want me to consider a different one, I’ll need cause to do so.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 08:36 next collapse

Netflix service started as hosting only.

aidan@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 09:07 next collapse

Yeah, imo it was also a bit more difficult then. But yeah as others said, the licensing was hard too

MeThisGuy@feddit.nl on 22 Jun 2024 21:40 collapse

correction… Netflix started by mailing DVDs, even before Redbox was a thing

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 08:18 collapse

Ah. Analogue hosting. But they definitely didn’t start producing content.

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jun 2024 20:14 collapse

The service they provide (from a perspective external to obligatory capitalism) is less about making them, but providing a framework by which people engaged in artistic expression and development get paid and permitted to survive.

As the COVID-19 Lockdown furloughs demonstrated to us, art manifests so long as people are fed and need something to do. Healthy humans can’t couch-potato for two weeks without fidgeting and whittling wood into bears. And the great resignation that followed showed that enough people were able to make it lucrative (that is, work out marketing and fulfillment enough to make it profitable enough to quit their prior job) that it lowered worker supply that we were able to contest the shit treatment, low pay and toxic work environments that were normal before the epidemic.

It gets worse in other industries like big pharma in which the state provides vast grants for R&D of drugs and treatments, but the company keeps all the proceeds. Contrast the space program, which is why memory foam (the material) is in the public domain, as is a fuckton of electronics and computer technologies.

aidan@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 23:36 collapse

The service they provide (from a perspective external to obligatory capitalism) is less about making them, but providing a framework by which people engaged in artistic expression and development get paid and permitted to survive.

If it is art that other people value then that framework already existed(and there are many others who created similar tools for it) so I don’t see it as particularly valuable.

Contrast the space program, which is why memory foam (the material) is in the public domain, as is a fuckton of electronics and computer technologies.

There is a compelling argument that tens of billions of dollars being used productively to research anything would have at least some useful results. Memory foam, cordless drills, etc could have been developed much more cheaply than the Apollo program, GPS is extremely valuable, but Apollo wasn’t a necessary precursor to geostationary orbit.

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 23 Jun 2024 07:23 collapse

If it is art that other people value then that framework already existed

From Wikipedia on Vincent Van Gogh: Van Gogh’s work began to attract critical artistic attention in the last year of his life. After his death, Van Gogh’s art and life story captured public imagination as an emblem of misunderstood genius

The art we get from pre-made frameworks emerged because people figured out they like art, and then someone capitalized on that. Or in cases of monarchs and governments, they created a fund to allow artists to do their thing instead of waiting tables.

There is a compelling argument that tens of billions of dollars being used productively to research anything would have at least some useful results.

For every $1 spent on the moonshots, we got $14. Feel free to look for other investments, but big science really has proven itself.

aidan@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 07:36 collapse

From Wikipedia on Vincent Van Gogh: Van Gogh’s work began to attract critical artistic attention in the last year of his life. After his death, Van Gogh’s art and life story captured public imagination as an emblem of misunderstood genius

I don’t really understand how this follows from what I said.

For every $1 spent on the moonshots, we got $14. Feel free to look for other investments, but big science really has proven itself.

Do you have a source for that? (And what that claim actually means), afterall, plenty of “essential” inventions in the modern day(including the base of modern rocketry) came from weapons development- does that make war a good investment? (Of course its not 1-to-1 because war is destructive, but my point is putting a lot of effort and smart people into almost anything will lead to a lot of innovation)

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 23 Jun 2024 19:47 collapse

I don’t really understand how [The bit on Van Gogh – that he was only posthumously appreciated in the art sector] follows from what I said.

My following paragraph is about that. Art often happens before the framework made to create it. In fact, when we have set up studio, they’re already doing knock-offs, trying to repeat prior successes.

For every $1 spent on the moonshots, we got $14

Do you have a source for that?

This came up during a TED talk on the benefits of investing in big science. On an unrelated research effort, I found the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958 which Eisenhower signed during his freak out over Sputnik, and the big grant to Fairchild Superconductor which kicked off the electronics boom in Silicon Valley (~San Jose, California), so the $14 value is certainly plausible.

aidan@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 04:14 next collapse

To be fair, the service they provide isn’t hosting the videos, it’s making them, which I assume costs a bit more

uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jun 2024 20:25 collapse

As per Das Kapital our industrialists always move to capture regulation and seek to eliminate competition, which are the two aspects that can make capitalism work for the public. Then you have what we have today, late stage capitalism which is about tiers of rent, so everything is both shoddy and expensive.

That’s how Disney and Warner Brothers (Warner Sister too!) end up owning all the franchises. It’s how Sony owns all the music and sues to take down dancing baby videos.

The EU and California have both made in-roads to slowing down the steady takeover of regulatory bodies and the mulching and mass merging of megacorps into monolithic monopolies, but they can’t stop it, and both are seeing the bend into precarity that is symptomatic of late stage capitalism.

That said, true post scarcity communism is realistically a pipe dream well beyond a few great filters we’ve yet to navigate, but we will see small victories, of which piracy – what is essentially crime against ill-gotten gains – offers more than a few.

suction@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:28 next collapse

cringe

GroundedGator@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 12:17 next collapse

caused “substantial harm to television program copyright owners,_

Maybe? People willing to copy and distribute this content will always be around and you will never catch them all. People willing to pay a discount or seek not and find said content will always be around. And there will be those who will watch a show or a movie because it is freely available, who would never pay a dime for it.

They will never end piracy and I’d argue it might actually be bad for business if they did.

Tja@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 12:48 collapse

Get your communism here! Only $9.99 a month, or just $99.99 for a year!

Etterra@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 00:58 next collapse

Farewell heroes. I may not have heard of you before, but I shall mourn your departure nevertheless.

Snapz@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 04:47 next collapse

Nobody gives a shit, you’re not doing enough to punish trump for his obvious, literally filmed and recorded crimes.

This is the equivalent of the cops celebrating after beating peaceful college protesters while pissing their pants and freezing while the uvalde kids were slaughtered and psychologically tortured.

You’re focusing on the non victory and ignoring the failures. Cowards.

RubberElectrons@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 05:40 next collapse

Say it again, friend.

AlbinoPython@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 06:12 collapse

Nobody gives a shit, you’re not doing enough to punish trump for his obvious, literally filmed and recorded crimes.

This is the equivalent of the cops celebrating after bearing peaceful college protesters while pissing their pants and freezing while the uvalde kids were slaughtered and psychologically tortured.

You’re focusing on the non victory and ignoring the failures. Cowards.

tetris11@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 08:44 next collapse

say it again, friend, but in french

bitwaba@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 09:32 next collapse

Non

tetris11@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 11:44 collapse

well alright, but I’m going to have to report this

TeoTwawki@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:25 collapse

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AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com on 22 Jun 2024 12:43 collapse

Tout le monde s’en fout, vous ne faites pas assez pour punir Trump pour ses crimes évidents, littéralement filmés et enregistrés.

C’est l’équivalent des flics qui se réjouissent d’avoir abattu des manifestants pacifiques à l’université tout en se pissant dessus et en se gelant pendant que les enfants d’uvalde se faisaient massacrer et torturer psychologiquement.

Vous vous concentrez sur la non-victoire et ignorez les échecs. Lâches.

MeThisGuy@feddit.nl on 22 Jun 2024 14:51 collapse

say it again, friend, but in dutch

Snapz@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 18:20 collapse

This guy GETS it.

AHemlocksLie@lemmy.zip on 22 Jun 2024 07:33 next collapse

You’re focusing on the non victory and ignoring the failures. Cowards.

That’s not true, they successfully did their job of protecting capital and the owner class. Same reason they don’t go after Trump. He’s in the owner class, so their job is to serve and protect him.

Adalast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 08:19 collapse

When cops only legal responsibility is to enforce the law, and the laws are written to protect corporate interests, of course they will stand outside the school and arrest protesters. SCOTUS has ruled that way so many times that “to serve and protect” is literally gaslighting.

iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com on 22 Jun 2024 09:58 collapse

Police don’t even really have a duty to enforce the law, at least not in the USA:

…wikipedia.org/…/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 11:51 collapse

They don’t even have a duty to know what the law is.

Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Jun 2024 04:48 next collapse

Not all heroes wear capes, but some have a sidegig as firefighters

werefreeatlast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 06:57 collapse

And wear a sexy mustache?

Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Jun 2024 17:15 collapse

I mean probably?

werefreeatlast@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 18:16 collapse

Excellent!

smb@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 05:45 next collapse

its amazing how good services can be if some just skip the corporation-obligatory adding of enshittification. i remember an article about a downloadable (but not very legal) DVD with an installer for a (worthless but very popular) OS that included heaps of expensive industry software and the installer was point-klick what you want and then all is done in background and fully usable once done. reading that article it seemed to be a better installer than ever produced by any company for any product.

however as that payed streaming service seemingly leaves huge amount of bank records and ran for such a long time, i guess it would have been easy to stop their customers from paying them. it rather might seem that the real intentions of content corporations might not truely be what they officially claim. maybe we learn in 25 years that the content corporations really were behind such services, maybe like “better get money from ALL markets!” or such.

suction@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:37 next collapse

Not trying to sound elitist, but…all the content combined still isn’t worth $10. Mind you the last TV show I liked was Better Call Saul, the last Hollywood movie I liked was…let me think…The Irishman, I guess?

Since 2000 the amount of TV shows I truly enjoyed watching and would watch again was maybe 8. The amount of movies maybe 20. So less than one per year.

And because I don’t have to watch stuff when it comes out, but am totally fine with watching things years later, when it’s cheap or free, I’d wager I spend less than $10 per year on TV and movie entertainment.

iopq@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:46 next collapse

I think the shows have been better than the movies

Succession was really good, for example

suction@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 07:53 collapse

Yes, they have been. But Succession is an example of a show which I thought I would like, and did for one season, but never finished, because the writing was so lazy and repetitive, and what’s worse constantly pretending huge things happened while nothing actually happened.

JudahBenHur@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 11:11 collapse

its a character study, not a bombastic thriller. Same as the shows most folks rave about: Sopranos, Mad Men, Six Feet Under, The Wire, Arrested Development… its fine to not like anything but I’m not sure why you’d take time to write about how you don’t like anything. Do you find posts about, say, an art heist and post about how you haven’t liked any paintings in a couple centuries

silasmariner@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 11:21 next collapse

Quite a lot happened in the Wire TBF (also I think it’s the strongest of the ones you’ve mentioned, largely for that reason…)

JudahBenHur@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 11:24 next collapse

I guess… a lot of the time it was Landsman eating Arby’s at his desk

suction@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 07:01 collapse

The Wire I finished but much of it felt like homework. It’s still top 10 of all time TV shows though.

suction@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 07:01 collapse

Ouch, comparing Succession to an absolute masterwork like the Sopranos hurts…and shows that you probably don’t actually watch those shows but have them on in the background. And if Succession is such a character study, why do the writers pretend it’s something else? It was a really bad show, man.

JudahBenHur@lemm.ee on 23 Jun 2024 07:33 collapse

what you dont know could fill a book I wouldnt put succession on the same tier as sopranos (very little comes close), all I was saying is its not about crazy plot twists, and more about the way the emotionally crippled kids of logan roy cosplay as human beings. I enjoyed it- jeremy strong and brian cox did a great job imo

VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 10:30 next collapse

All my favorite movies this year have been on youtube.

Most of them by Joel Haver.

rmuk@feddit.uk on 22 Jun 2024 10:58 collapse

Sire!

Tony Ladruzo?

Huzzah!

TheFonz@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 14:56 next collapse

Hollywood has been sucking ass lately, but lots of small indie films have been kicking ass. Everything from A24 has been fantastic recently. Lots of good foreign films too

suction@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 06:59 collapse

Even A24 has a track record of 1 in 10, getting worse.

TheFonz@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 07:32 collapse

Yes, making movies is not an easy feat. But there’s plenty of good stuff coming out. Don’t know what to tell you.

Doof@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 15:44 collapse

You don’t sound elitist, just a little boring.

suction@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 06:58 collapse

I’ll take that as a compliment. It’s the 2nd time someone told me this, the first time was when a girl found out I didn’t have any tattoos.

Nobilmantis@feddit.it on 22 Jun 2024 07:47 next collapse

Teoretically speaking, asking for a friend who’s doing research, how would you access such a service? :)

dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Jun 2024 11:08 collapse

There’s plenty of services like this that people use a firestick to connect too.

My friend uses one but I forget the name of it. You can find them online but people usually buy a package of say 20 connections and then sell them to friends and family. I’ll try and remember what to search for and come back.

Edit: IPTV is a good search term.

SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 11:49 collapse

Legend

dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Jun 2024 12:27 next collapse

Nah just a regular dude trying to help others when I can.

ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 15:42 collapse

IPTV is the name of the pirated cable TV streams. Personally, I consider commercialized piracy to be a bit distasteful compared to the free and open source route, and I have the know how to self host my own streaming service.

Although it’s not piracy, another free option to consider for live TV, if you’re within range of TV broadcasters, is a digital TV antenna. I’m looking into that since not only is it free and legal, it’s also the best picture quality, not compressed like IPTV (legit or pirated) or even cable.

SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 18:05 collapse

I’m in the UK, so loads of live TV over the air.

Chakravanti@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 07:48 next collapse

Hey, look! They had a cookbook on tyranny…

sunbeam60@lemmy.one on 22 Jun 2024 08:23 next collapse

“Sophisticated scripts to scour pirate sites”.

I think we’ve just found a new tagline for radarr and sonarr.

muculent@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 09:12 next collapse

Streaming services become required by law like insurance

Wait, why am I required to pay for a streaming service?

Because it has all of the entertainment electrolytes a human needs

DasSkelett@discuss.tchncs.de on 22 Jun 2024 09:45 next collapse

We already have the private copying levy in Germany and some other countries, where you have to pay a fee for several products (printers, scanners, storage media like HDDs, SSDs, SD cards and thumb drives…) due to the potential that you could do (legal!) private copies of copyrighted media on them. The copyright collectives can set the amount of the fees freely (and it’s ridiculously high).

This comes shockingly close to the concept already.

Deway@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 11:10 collapse

I member the good old days when we were buying our blank CD/DVD in Germany to avoid paying those taxes.

Mikina@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 16:44 collapse

I’m not sure about other countries, but here in Czech we actually have a mandatory subscription, that’s absolutely bullshit.

So far, the law is that if you own any TV or radio, you have to pay monthly fee for public service broadcasters (national Czech TV). It’s bullshit, the channels are full of ads anyway, and the shows they run and create is insultingly bad. Sure, it is important to have public service broadcasters that are not dependent on the state (because state-owned TV is reeaallly bad idea), but FFS can they just reduce costs and stick to news, instead of doing another stupid series, and stop forcing us to pay for something I don’t care about or use?

You could just not pay the fee, if you state you don’t have a TV capable of receiving it (which I don’t). But now, they are changing the law that everyone who has any kind of internet-capable device has to pay the monthly fee, while also rising prices to something like 6 EUR per month. Fuck that and fuck them.

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 18:22 collapse

Reminds me of the BBC licence fee in the UK.

mojofrododojo@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 22:14 collapse

yeah but with the beeb at least you got fawlty towers, blackadder, PYTHON!, red dwarf, fuck man, I’d pay the TV snoops for that stuff without much grumble.

Cocodapuf@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 10:05 next collapse

Yeah, I’ve got one of those too. Plex is great.

rmuk@feddit.uk on 22 Jun 2024 10:56 collapse

ITT: Have you heard the good news about our lord and saviour, Jellyfin?

el_abuelo@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 11:56 next collapse

Couldn’t get on with Jellyfin…emby however has been fantastic!

Cocodapuf@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 11:59 next collapse

You know, I’ve heard this gospel before, I might still have the pamphlet…

Honestly, I haven’t really looked into jellyfin yet. I hear it’s superior in some way… But I already have Plex all set up and I have 4 friends with servers and we all share content. So it would take a lot for me to switch.

mint_tamas@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 14:55 next collapse

It really isn’t superior. It’s just the hivemind that gets annoyed with Plex being stagnant, not open source etc. that claims it is. At best it has feature parity for some use-cases. Don’t get me wrong, it’s neat, but it’s not as polished as Plex.

squidspinachfootball@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 16:05 collapse

Tbh, I just like that mobile app watching is free instead of paywalled

Jayb151@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 14:28 next collapse

Jellyfin is a bitch to get working outside my network. I don’t get how Plex made it so easy

AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 15:38 next collapse

really? I never had an issue with just sticking it behind a reverse proxy, doing some port forwarding, and setting an apex domain record, that was it. curious what wasn’t working for you?

figaro@lemdro.id on 22 Jun 2024 16:42 next collapse

Lol

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:11 next collapse

…do what now?

AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 18:05 collapse
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 18:11 collapse

The number of people I’ve come across that are absolutely baffled by the concept of port forwarding…

Then you add CGNAT ontop and things can get really complicated for someone unfamiliar.

BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:25 collapse

Plex operates a service on their end that mostly covers you if you fuck up the network routing. It’s probably the least user friendly part of the setup, so kind of a big deal.

Doof@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 15:41 next collapse

Lasted a week and went back to Plex.

linearchaos@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:05 next collapse

I’m trying to switch to Jellyfin I really am. With Plex I could just throw a file bot at my files normalize the names and it was fine. I can’t mark things watched or unwatched from the Roku client. I’ve now tried three separate times to get the Doctor who specials to show up with names. Plex is by no means perfect but it’s so much easier to keep Plex goomed

stellargmite@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 21:09 collapse

I was fretting over Doctor Specials, season numbers, eras and naming a few weeks back. In fairness it has been running since black and white times so not too bad considering. Whats a filebot by the way and whats a good one?

linearchaos@lemmy.world on 24 Jun 2024 00:55 collapse

Filebot a piece of software, it looks up your files on TMDB and themoviedb and renamese your files based on those lookups. Plex takes that naming very very well. We really need jellyfin to work with it too.

capital@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:32 next collapse

I want to switch very badly but their device apps are lacking.

MSids@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 18:00 next collapse

I always wonder why some people are so dedicated to Jellyfin. Even if JF had full feature and experience parity, it would still not have secure remote access the way Plex does. There is no need to port forward or NAT Plex for external access if you use app.plex.tv to access. With the threat landscape the way it is today, that is worth a lot.

AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 18:08 collapse

I haven’t used Plex in a while, but I’m confused how Plex handles WAN connections without using any port forwarding? how is that possible?

Scrollone@feddit.it on 22 Jun 2024 18:23 next collapse

I think there’s a misconception.

Plex can “hide” (not really) your own server because you can direct your users on Plex.tv (they can login there, etc. without ever typing your IP address).

But Plex can also use an internal reverse proxy that lets you see your content from outside even without port forwarding. However, quality and speed will be decreased.

I think Jellyfin should work to ease the process of setting up your server as much as they can, but unless they start managing a SaaS like Plex does, they’ll never be able to offer the same simplicity for the end user.

AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 18:49 next collapse

personally, I wouldn’t want my files going through plexs servers, especially with how shit I’ve heard they are with their privacy policy. that’s a really interesting concept tho, and makes a lot of sense. I doubt jellyfin will ever do that simply because they don’t have the resources to host that as you said.

thanks for the explanation tho! greatly appreciated

MSids@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 20:58 collapse

Plex, as a company, definitely is aware of what items are in your library but streams don’t go through the Plex servers unless you use the Plex proxy service which is enabled by default but only used when the client connection speed is too slow to use the desired streaming setting.

Everyone who accesses their Plex externally should use app.plex.tv rather than NAT/port forwarding unless you’re also doing IP whitelisting on the NAT (not feasible for most remote access scenarios, as IPs are dynamic in most cases). Jellyfin should never be exposed externally.

I work in a highly regulated sector of IT and have learned that even the most robust software will have serious exploits at some point.

turmacar@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 01:47 collapse

Last time I looked at Jellyfin server setup was fine. It’s getting non-techies to a place where they can access it that was rough. They’re getting better with 3rd party app support but Plex has a huge head start.

MSids@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 18:24 next collapse

I have not looked into it for a while but I believe their servers broker a direct connection between the client and server.

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 18:58 collapse

Both the client and server connect to plex.tv which then brokers the connection between them. They essentially work as a very limited vpn between your clients and server.

This also gives them unrestricted access to the entirety of data passed between devices; and the ability to request any and all info from your server to be handed to whoever they chose.

This is also how they allow you to ‘share’ content/libraries with each others servers; through their public infrastructure that’s collecting your information. Information they then sell to third parties to support their development and broker content agreements.

AllHailTheSheep@sh.itjust.works on 22 Jun 2024 20:04 collapse

thanks for the explanation. I’ll stick with jellyfin for now, I’ve heard rough things about privacy with Plex and that explains why.

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 18:09 collapse

Plex is a privacy nightmare that’s slowly trying to faze out you having a server all together in favor of feeding you commercialized content from other providers; and many people find Jellyfin is far too unpolished/disorganized for a lot of debatable reasons I won’t go into.

I’ve been quite happy with the middle ground: Emby. It’s not FOSS, but is well polished with consistent development, great feature parity across platforms, excellent clients for pretty much every device I’d want to use, and a helpful community ready to assist with any problems you come across. They also have a heavy focus on privacy; with no third party partners collecting your info like Plex, and no telemetry sent from servers/clients.

The lifetime premier license I bought 7 years ago was well worth it.

Scrollone@feddit.it on 22 Jun 2024 18:20 collapse

Wasn’t Jellyfin developed using the Emby source code as a starting point?

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 18:33 collapse

Yes. Emby was originally open source, but people would regularly fork it to remove the licensing. When they chose to go closed source; jellyfin forked that final release and has built from there.

Emby has a premier licencing system to support their development, instead of selling user data and making deals with content providers like Plex, or depending on OSS development/contributions like Jellyfin.

As far as I understand almost 80% of jellyfins current code is the original Emby code (called ‘media browser’ or ‘MB’ at the time), though to be fair, I haven’t verified that claim.

MHSJenkins@infosec.pub on 22 Jun 2024 11:21 next collapse

“When a hero comes along . . .”

Jollyllama@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 11:51 next collapse

Did someone leak their Jellyfin credentials?

el_abuelo@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 11:58 next collapse

This is despicable. What specific service was this? So I know how to avoid it if it should resurface.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 12:18 collapse

Not only does it say that in the first paragraph, it says it here

Five men were convicted for their part in operating Jetflicks, one of the largest illegal streaming services in the U.S., officials said.

realitista@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 13:10 next collapse

Why in the world would you do this in the US?

PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 22 Jun 2024 13:20 next collapse

I mean we’re dumb kids until they raid us.

BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:21 collapse

There are resellers in the US who will set you up with the infrastructure to do it yourself. You don’t need much and it’s less expensive than you’d think, almost turnkey.

Demand is more than high enough in poor areas too, they probably made a really good return before it shut down.

Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 17:53 next collapse

they probably made a really good return before it shut down.

Part of the sentence was to forfeit $1million in profits, I’d say they did pretty well for themselves.

realitista@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 20:27 collapse

I’m pretty sure the similar exists in other places too. You could host it in AWS in China or Bahrain and save yourself a bunch of risk.

el_abuelo@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 13:28 collapse

My use of the word despicable instead of disgusting probably threw you off

knowyourmeme.com/memes/thats-disgusting-where

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca on 22 Jun 2024 14:19 collapse

I just didn’t think the meme fit when it already said where

el_abuelo@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 14:58 collapse

I see. Sorry for the offence.

AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com on 22 Jun 2024 12:41 next collapse

Five men convicted by the court of the high seas for being absolute chads

todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 13:00 next collapse

Honestly pretty funny to call the site “Jetflix” and advertise it as nothing but aviation videos. Nobody would know what you’re up to until they pay you.

How much you wanna bet a aerospace nut subscribed to this because they love Jets, and immediately reported this site to the authorities because he got the avengers movies rather than Airbus maintenance videos or something…

Pretty stupid though to run this site out of the USA. Terrible opsec. They really just seemed to trust that nobody who cares would ever figure out what they were doing. Plenty of similar sites out there that don’t even need to hide what they are because they are well outside of American jurisdiction.

a2part2@lemmy.zip on 22 Jun 2024 16:08 collapse

Yeah. I bet he wasn’t looking for a Boeing maintenance video.

woodenskewer@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 13:19 next collapse

“substantial harm to television program copyright owners,”

Give me a fucking break

Retrograde@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:46 next collapse

Won’t somebody think of the television program copyright owners??

Brutticus@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 18:05 collapse

I think of them when I dream about them facing a firing squad.

tonyn@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 18:16 collapse

But then who would finance the production of television programs?

Brutticus@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 18:20 collapse

I dream of a world where we are free to create art without having dance for Capital

tonyn@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 19:47 collapse

There will always be tasks that people don’t want to do, and they will require compensation for motivation.

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 21:11 collapse

The level of compensation determines your level of society.

tonyn@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 22:57 collapse

It already does

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 23:09 collapse

Yup and the bare minimum is lower than poverty standards so maybe we could aspire to paying our gardeners in gold

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 28 Jun 2024 08:00 collapse

Those poor, poor, TV execs… They all had to settle for gold plating in their heated in-door pools and Rolls Royces instead of platinum. 😔

Dorkyd68@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 14:25 next collapse

The only thing I’m pisseed about is the fact that I was unaware of its existence. Fuck the system

BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:18 next collapse

You might be overestimating how much content that was. Streaming services try to maintain an illusion of neverending content but last I saw except for prime, the amount of content they offer has been trending down.

Those numbers are fairly accessible for an average person with 3 or 4 large hard drives.

[deleted] on 28 Jun 2024 02:29 collapse

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Scrollone@feddit.it on 22 Jun 2024 18:18 next collapse

You can always start creating your own personal media server, using apps such as Plex or Jellyfin, and qBittorrent, SABnzbd, etc.

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 21:09 collapse

I’ve been trying to do just that and it’s slow going with qB, if one was looking to avoid dens of sins where you might find a usenet key, where should I stay away from?

creamed_eels@toast.ooo on 22 Jun 2024 22:19 collapse

Same, what a shame

Fedizen@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 15:24 next collapse

They’re here doing everyone a service. Why are there resources to prosecute this but not like elon musk’s insider trading?

reksas@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 2024 19:30 collapse

Because our society is profoundly corrupt

deweydecibel@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 16:11 next collapse

All the comments in here are so damn tedious. Copyright is a mess, but holy shit, people tie themselves in knots to make excuses for pirates being careless and stupid

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 16:54 collapse

I mean, operate a massive illegal streaming service that has more content than everyone combined, but don’t be so tacky as to charge for it.

istanbullu@lemmy.ml on 22 Jun 2024 16:46 next collapse

It probably also had better user experience than all of them

dan@upvote.au on 22 Jun 2024 17:57 next collapse

That’s the thing about all the pirate apps (apps like Weyd, Syncler, the now-defunct TVZion, etc). They’re made by people that actually care, not by companies that are only in it for the money. The user experience is usually a lot better. One of those apps plus a Real Debrid subscription and you’re set.

DogWater@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 18:04 collapse

Where should I go to learn more about what you’re talking about

match@pawb.social on 22 Jun 2024 18:21 next collapse

So that I can avoid using them. Od course

Setnof@feddit.de on 22 Jun 2024 18:26 next collapse

I’ve heard that you can download stuff from filmfans.org and serienfans.org with jdownloader. Reportedly it’s then possible to host it locally on your own Synology NAS and use Infuse on your Apple TV for a magnificent user experience.

Hadriscus@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 18:29 next collapse

Sounds like reliable hearsay

dan@upvote.au on 22 Jun 2024 18:41 collapse

Rumor has it that apps that use Real Debrid are way easier to use since you can just go to a TV show and watch it. Even a non technical person can use apps like Weyd. Real Debrid supposedly caches torrents on their server so you can instantly stream them over an encrypted connection.

nutsack@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 19:08 collapse

damn you just shit all over my nuts thank you

dan@upvote.au on 22 Jun 2024 18:40 next collapse

I’ve heard that Google might have information about Real Debrid and apps that support it. I cannot confirm or deny this myself.

LeFantome@programming.dev on 22 Jun 2024 19:27 collapse

He is saying that people that get rich selling others people’s stuff without paying for it are not “in it for the money”. What don’t you understand.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 18:33 collapse

It’s amazing how I can run a better streaming service from my basement than the ones I pay for.

bleistift2@sopuli.xyz on 22 Jun 2024 22:12 collapse

Start servicing millions of users. Then we’ll talk.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 00:16 collapse

If they’re servicing that many users their UX should be better, but it’s not. Search should work better, but it doesn’t. They should let me make playlists, but they don’t.

Yes, scale is hard but it shouldn’t be hard to put a clock in the pause screen showing me what time the show will be done. And that’s just a tiny way Plex is better.

yamanii@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 17:24 next collapse

They solved a problem people had after the fragmentation :)

paris@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 22 Jun 2024 18:26 next collapse

The group used “sophisticated computer scripts” and software to scour piracy services (including the Pirate Bay and Torrentz) for illegal copies of TV episodes, which they then downloaded and hosted on Jetflicks’ servers, according to federal prosecutors.

They probably used Sonarr and Radarr and called it a day (or similar off-the-shelf tools available on GitHub). It’s not very sophisticated at all. That combined with Jellyfin and a VPN (or Usenet or a country that doesn’t care about piracy) and you have your own up and running. You could also just use free sites with an ad blocker instead of paying $10/mo like the service this article is about charged.

Unrelated to all of this: rentry.co/megathread

Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 20:07 collapse

Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

For the elderly folk who write and enforce the laws that caused this to come to pass, sufficiently advanced technology just means more complex than notepad

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 19:56 next collapse

If there is no need,such places would not exist

OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 20:29 collapse

If there was no DEMAND it wouldn’t exist. It exists illegally specifically because it can’t be done legally at the price point. That doesn’t mean anyone needs it, all the content is presumably available elsewhere. It just costs money and people don’t want to pay money.

I don’t want to pay money either, I’m just not high minded about it.

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 20:48 next collapse

Want is not the issue. You can want anything and everything but unless you are able to pay, the need arises for access to the material for a price you can pay that the “legal” owners either dont comprehend or refuse to in the name of greed.

OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee on 22 Jun 2024 21:29 collapse

That doesn’t track at all. I can’t afford a Lamborghini so the need arises for access to stolen Lamborghinis for cheap? It’s absolutely not a need, you can just go without or only access the free media that is available to you. In the car example, I can just buy an old Civic.

If it’s stealing bread to feed your family that is one thing, because it’s an actual need. If it’s getting stuff because you want the more expensive version instead of the version you can afford, there’s no need there.

The ethical argument is that there’s no one harmed because you can’t afford it anyway. It’s not that you need it like a starving man’s bread.

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world on 22 Jun 2024 21:40 next collapse

Yeah semantics is a bitch

Jarix@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 01:14 collapse

Just one specific point of contention. A physical object is very different from an object that can infinitely and effortlessly be copied with 0 degradation of that thing.

I think you are making a good argument and but maybe not the best example.

I think there is significance in the difference that needs to be accounted for in any discussion of piracy as theft.

It is currently, and has been for a long time, legal to copy music from the radio or movies and tv shows from a broadcast(but not pay per view, or copys for distrubution) or go to a library and borrow whatever interesting (to you) media they have.

Petter1@lemm.ee on 23 Jun 2024 07:06 collapse

Digital media is culture. And culture should not be reserved for rich people, in my opinion.

OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee on 23 Jun 2024 13:03 collapse

If you’re saying “you should not restrict ALL culture to rich people” then, we’re not. There is plenty of culture available for free on YouTube, or on broadcast TV channels, or FreeVee. And paying for one paid subscription doesn’t make you rich, $10/mo or whatever is an accessible price for a subset of digital media to a non-rich person. And those libraries are sufficiently large that you would not run out of material to watch even if you only had one service.

If you’re saying “everyone should be provided literally all digital content for free at all times” that is a pretty extreme position which does sort of break the economics of any content being produced. Digital content would have to be plastered in way more ads or be government subsidized or something to have the money to make more of it. That’s not a political position I’d be on board with.

If you just want the current system but with you being allowed to download the stuff you want to see on services you don’t pay for…again, there’s an argument for that, but let’s not pretend it’s some high minded one. It’s selfish. You probably have the money to pay for HBO Max for one month to watch the new Game of Thrones and the Barbie movie but you don’t want to pay money and it’s really easy not to.

Petter1@lemm.ee on 23 Jun 2024 13:57 collapse

Yea, I understand the problems you describe and I am not a genius who knows how to solve that problem. I want to point out that I consider ads and tracking as privacy invasive.

In my opinion the solution should be a way where we can ensure loss of media at all cost where the whole humanity has access to all human culture and knowledge in a reasonable timeframe (not the livelong time the copyrights hold today)

And competition on the market should be about the best way to deliver content, not about on delivering which content.

Blackmist@feddit.uk on 23 Jun 2024 00:21 collapse

If five people can maintain a service bigger than all those combined, then the big streamers need to buck their fucking ideas up.

geekworking@lemmy.world on 23 Jun 2024 01:03 collapse

They had a big library, but not the user base. They were definitely not maintaining anywhere near the infrastructure and bandwidth of major streaming platforms. Netflix claims 260 million users. It’s not hard to get a giant catalog when you dont have to pay for it.

linearchaos@lemmy.world on 25 Jun 2024 02:05 collapse

Yeah Netflix has to pay for edge connections in major ISPs, and host cash is in places.