I don’t think China is good. I think China is a strong country doing normal superpower stuff.
The difference is China doesn’t start wars and isn’t out to overthrow other countries governments.
Their leadership doesn’t act like clowns either, they have the seriousness that the western world seems to have lost after everyone collectively decided that voting far-right is “based” for “owning the libs”.
So all in all I expected people to hate China less than the US. But online propaganda speaks louder than reason these days.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
on 27 Jun 18:58
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Hoping this sets a precedent for the same kind of regulation about non-Chinese corporations. Otherwise it just comes across as sinophobic grandstanding and not actually about protecting the privacy of the end-user.
msage@programming.dev
on 27 Jun 18:45
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Oh man, can you imagine that??
Glad none of this ever happened before, right???
Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 28 Jun 13:10
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The bavarian police just implemented fucking Palantir for their own use starting in august, so nah it’s just sinophobia.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world
on 28 Jun 14:07
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OC it is about that.
Same with Tik Tok, they don’t like news they can’t control and censor. www.tiktok.com/…/7498354878473932054
Or simply bcs they can’t compete with Chinese tech. (Huawei etc)
ObtuseDoorFrame@lemm.ee
on 27 Jun 14:11
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Why not just leave it up to the users? Maybe put a warning?
Why does the government have to ban everything and treat us like children?
dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Jun 16:56
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Because most people reason like children and act like children.
Had one dude buy a bunch of those none refillable vapes. Ran around with 3 of them and talked about that the government should ban them because people like himself throw them in the woods when done. That is a real person.
jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Jun 17:20
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often in cases like this there is no real personal responsibility involved, and your disdain stems from a lack of empathy.
nicotine is a strongly addictive chemical and lots of users have active addictions. in many locales and markets disposable vapes are increasingly becoming the cheapest or only way to scratch that itch, in addition to americans being propagandized for years into believing that vaping in general is somehow a healthier way to deal with your nicotine addiction. either way vaping is heavily pushed on nicotine addicts in america to such a point that i genuinely am not so certain personal responsibility factors into the equation anymore. it’s very similar to opium in china during the century of humiliation or the war on drugs or something - just a clearly systemic problem spurred by greedy people against the poor that is justified to other poor people through fallacious moral reasoning.
the guy you mentioned… knows the obvious point that buying disposables is contrarian to his opinion. that doesn’t invalidate his beliefs. he’s an addict, not necessarily a hypocrite. instead of being crabs in a bucket and tearing down the people who already agree with you why don’t you try and point people’s anger rightfully towards big tobacco companies who managed to swindle the world into picking up the nasty habit again in the name of avarice. those people hurt you, me, and the guy in your story. they deserve you being mad at them, not this rando you mention.
dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works
on 27 Jun 17:26
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Nope he is a fucking idiot.
Nice rant but this was about him throwing it into the environment while saying the government should ban those vapes so he stops throwing them in the woods.
I understand that you didn’t get it with first reading because it is completely nuts so the brain goes to something more reasonable.
But I agree with the gist of what you are saying.
jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 27 Jun 18:07
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haha lmfao yeah i’m kind of super busy in the mornings - i did misread you in passing, sorry. appreciate the heads up friend
Germany is known in Europe for being one of the biggest wh*res of the USA so that doesn’t surprise me more than that.
Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 28 Jun 13:44
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Lol rage harder tankie
Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 28 Jun 13:44
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Good. Fuck off tankies crying about this. Deepseek is just like all the other AI leeches off of resources.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world
on 28 Jun 13:58
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Unhinged
Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 28 Jun 14:00
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You making a self portrait with word art? Good start for you, I guess.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
on 28 Jun 16:02
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But they aren’t doing anything about the other ai
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Jun 07:05
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AI by white techbros is okay. Chinese competition is bad. That’s the real story. All the rich people are terrified of Chinese competition in the US, and now Germany has a bunch of Nazi bootlickers too.
But American companies harvesting our data and sending it straight into the hands of the Trump administration and his harem of tech whores like Zuckerberg, Bezos, Altman are a-okay. I’d rather have China harvest my data, because China doesn’t have as much influence over my life here in Germany as the US does.
ThatsTheSpirit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 Jun 15:21
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As an American, i would rather cpc or russian agents poison me than the dumb totally avoidable shit thats about to happen with all that data in this country.
I’m curious whether Deepseek will gaf about this. They’ve been rather uninterested in commercialization, and the app is mainly a way of showing off their model, which itself is released open-weights. In fact, it’s literally impossible to spend money in the app! They sell tokens but it’s API-only, and you can’t spend it in the app.
So it’s entirely possible the Deepseek will shrug, let their app be banned in Germany, and keep doing what they’re doing.
threaded - newest
Do chatgpt, claude, gemini, llama, etc keep user data in the EU?
Sure ;)
Commissioner and his friends use those apps so can’t ban them.
Yes. You’ve heard about billions being invested in new data centers in the EU?
Then there’s also the “EU-US Data Privacy Framework”. People here don’t really understand what the GDPR is about.
Regarding DPF: iapp.org/…/schrems-addresses-emerging-questions-a…. It’s unlikely to hold unfortunately.
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And that’s different to American companies how? None of this climate of data harvesting is currently good for us.
At least formally, with US companies there are agreements that the data on european citizen need to stay in EU, with China no
Which gives superficial comfort as it gives scant protection from how aggregate data is used to upend democracy.
I prefer China’s honesty to the US’s dishonesty.
It’s simple: America Good, China Bad.
There isn’t much more depth to it than this. BTW even Lemmy is sadly suffering from the same brainrot.
Yes. But “America bad, China good” is also brainrot.
I don’t think China is good. I think China is a strong country doing normal superpower stuff.
The difference is China doesn’t start wars and isn’t out to overthrow other countries governments.
Their leadership doesn’t act like clowns either, they have the seriousness that the western world seems to have lost after everyone collectively decided that voting far-right is “based” for “owning the libs”.
So all in all I expected people to hate China less than the US. But online propaganda speaks louder than reason these days.
Well.
Not out to overthrow European governments.
I don’t think you’ve looked closely enough at China, then.
In contrast, I’m sure you’ve watched every “China Bad” propaganda video on YouTube, and you’re still itching for more.
But I encourage you to go visit it once and see for yourself what it’s really like.
Hoping this sets a precedent for the same kind of regulation about non-Chinese corporations. Otherwise it just comes across as sinophobic grandstanding and not actually about protecting the privacy of the end-user.
Oh man, can you imagine that??
Glad none of this ever happened before, right???
The bavarian police just implemented fucking Palantir for their own use starting in august, so nah it’s just sinophobia.
Like the ‘impartial’ IAEA and their Mosaic system
You are using acts by Bavarian police to say that acts by Berlin privacy officers are sinophobic.
OC it is about that.
Same with Tik Tok, they don’t like news they can’t control and censor.
www.tiktok.com/…/7498354878473932054
Or simply bcs they can’t compete with Chinese tech. (Huawei etc)
Sure, as long as you also remove ChatGPT.
Why not just leave it up to the users? Maybe put a warning?
Why does the government have to ban everything and treat us like children?
Because most people reason like children and act like children.
Had one dude buy a bunch of those none refillable vapes. Ran around with 3 of them and talked about that the government should ban them because people like himself throw them in the woods when done. That is a real person.
often in cases like this there is no real personal responsibility involved, and your disdain stems from a lack of empathy.
nicotine is a strongly addictive chemical and lots of users have active addictions. in many locales and markets disposable vapes are increasingly becoming the cheapest or only way to scratch that itch, in addition to americans being propagandized for years into believing that vaping in general is somehow a healthier way to deal with your nicotine addiction. either way vaping is heavily pushed on nicotine addicts in america to such a point that i genuinely am not so certain personal responsibility factors into the equation anymore. it’s very similar to opium in china during the century of humiliation or the war on drugs or something - just a clearly systemic problem spurred by greedy people against the poor that is justified to other poor people through fallacious moral reasoning.
the guy you mentioned… knows the obvious point that buying disposables is contrarian to his opinion. that doesn’t invalidate his beliefs. he’s an addict, not necessarily a hypocrite. instead of being crabs in a bucket and tearing down the people who already agree with you why don’t you try and point people’s anger rightfully towards big tobacco companies who managed to swindle the world into picking up the nasty habit again in the name of avarice. those people hurt you, me, and the guy in your story. they deserve you being mad at them, not this rando you mention.
Nope he is a fucking idiot.
Nice rant but this was about him throwing it into the environment while saying the government should ban those vapes so he stops throwing them in the woods.
I understand that you didn’t get it with first reading because it is completely nuts so the brain goes to something more reasonable.
But I agree with the gist of what you are saying.
haha lmfao yeah i’m kind of super busy in the mornings - i did misread you in passing, sorry. appreciate the heads up friend
Politicians also act like children. There’s no evidence they get their authority from being either smarter or more competent than an average person.
Congratulations, this is how you get exploited by corporations.
I will say it is fantastic you can run deepseek models locally
Some of the deepseek r1 distills are still the best small models. The 8b ones are good and can run on a lot of devices.
Why not run Qwen.
Not deepseek but still its better.
the distills are good for their sizes but not even close to being comparable to the full model in quality
Germany is known in Europe for being one of the biggest wh*res of the USA so that doesn’t surprise me more than that.
Lol rage harder tankie
Good. Fuck off tankies crying about this. Deepseek is just like all the other AI leeches off of resources.
Unhinged
You making a self portrait with word art? Good start for you, I guess.
But they aren’t doing anything about the other ai
AI by white techbros is okay. Chinese competition is bad. That’s the real story. All the rich people are terrified of Chinese competition in the US, and now Germany has a bunch of Nazi bootlickers too.
your comment is extremely lemmy dot world
why tf are you still on dbzer0
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China bad! 😱
But American companies harvesting our data and sending it straight into the hands of the Trump administration and his harem of tech whores like Zuckerberg, Bezos, Altman are a-okay. I’d rather have China harvest my data, because China doesn’t have as much influence over my life here in Germany as the US does.
As an American, i would rather cpc or russian agents poison me than the dumb totally avoidable shit thats about to happen with all that data in this country.
I’m curious whether Deepseek will gaf about this. They’ve been rather uninterested in commercialization, and the app is mainly a way of showing off their model, which itself is released open-weights. In fact, it’s literally impossible to spend money in the app! They sell tokens but it’s API-only, and you can’t spend it in the app.
So it’s entirely possible the Deepseek will shrug, let their app be banned in Germany, and keep doing what they’re doing.