Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 20:13
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Ok, so why do they utilize these tools and the left cries about it.
I’ve said this for a while. The hate of AI on lemmy was encouraged by Astro turfing methods. This way leftist who usually are at the cutting edge of things instead knee cap themselves on a technology that acts as a force multiplayer. They will use this and advance. We will bitch and moan. The end result will be that they gain more and we don’t. So you can be upset and you can cry and hate this or me for pointing this out. That will never change the outcome. Your feelings don’t matter. What matters is outcomes right now. It matters what will get people to vote when it’s time. if you concede tools that help you reach eyes and ears of voters, be ready for consequences.
NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 20:25
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We gain by generating counter-slop? Wtf are you on about.
Anybody with a half a braincell can see the detrimental impact AI is having on social media & internet content generally. It’s not astro turfing, it’s just constantly dealing with generated nonsense that’s causing the hate.
People who are more susceptible to manipulation, which unfortunately seems to be right-leaning folks, seem to fall victim into believing & spreading it the most. They rarely do any form of fact checking.
Everybody is susceptible to manipulation. Are you crazy. Who do you think you are. It’s basic shit here. You need to push a singular message through repetition and people adopt it every time. The left are so ignorant to basics which is why everybody and their grandma knows about cat litter boxes rather than the arguments against it. This era of leftist are absolutely outclassed by a mile.
natecox@programming.dev
on 08 Oct 20:27
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Oh fuck off. Nobody is “astroturfing” AI hate.
Plenty of us hate AI for perfectly reasonable ethical, sociological, and accuracy reasons.
Just because some anti-ethical twats are doing something with AI impactfully doesn’t justify the use of disinformation on our side.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 08 Oct 20:28
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Yeah, this person’s right! We should start making inflammatory AI videos, too! Dump that whole tanker ship in the fire, fuck it!
No. I am sorry, but no. The hate on Lemmy is not against AI as a technology, it is against how it is being used, how it is being peddled, how it is being shoved down everyone’s throats, and how much damage it’s doing to our environment (edit: and society, and art, and culture, and politics, and economy, and wellness, and overall desire to maintain a steady heartbeat!)
And, to your point about feelings not mattering, from what I’ve seen, most people (including myself) are exhausted! We are sureounded by people losing their shit left and right, bigotry, racism, hate in general are mainstream, Fascism is out, about, and in power, and it looks like we’re all forgetting that the planet is literally burning up again.
We are tired. Most of us have already been through enough shit as it is, we would want nothing more than to see the end of this string of “once in a lifetime” disasters, yet we understand that the easy way out means we’ll end up becoming exactly what’s ruining our lives right now. This isn’t just about winning, HOW we win is equally important, if not more so. Because that will set the tone for what would follow.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 08 Oct 20:54
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Oh, I said nothing about honour! There’s being nice, and there’s being fair. I’m more for being fair than being nice, and as I see it, it’s fair to hit back. The difference is in the nuance of how I hit back. Why eliminate when immobilise would suffice, y’know?
Not to mention that the bullshit in AI videos made by the left would absolutely get called out in every propaganda outfit on the right. It would just give them more ammo (without the usual lies).
But even more important, it will grant legitimacy to everyone who responds to damning video evidence by claiming it was AI. We don’t need to make shit up, the reality is already horrifying. All AI will do is make it harder for people to believe their own eyes.
I think it’s pretty obvious why people would be upset about a propaganda machine being used by a government to demonize its political enemies and voting base? The Iraq War started over less false pretenses, and look how that rolled out. The damage produced by this lying machine will be unimaginable.
Cool, it’s super important to be aware how getting punched will affect you while getting punched. Just don’t punch back because that isn’t what we’re about. In the end we win somehow. Maybe they’ll break their first on our head I dunno.
They utilize these tools because they have no morals. They are willing to lie and cheat their way into whatever they want.
The left does not have that advantage. We don’t want to lie, we don’t want to cheat, we want the liars and cheaters to be removed from power. Lying harder isn’t going to work for us because unlike the right, we will call out our own for it.
Yea sure the left are morally superior obviously. Not weak and ineffective. Morally superior
Eldritch@piefed.world
on 08 Oct 21:04
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Nah, it wasn't astroturfed. Current gen AI is little more than automated theft ATM. A lot of artists had their work stolen with no compensation. And now have an even tougher time ahead, competing with the thieves than they already had before. A lot of the angst and hate has been knee-jerk and lacking nuance. Doing as much to alienate people from their cause as bring them to it. But it's real.
What's equally absurd however. Are those that naively think we could use AI against those already using it. They're building farms that consume more power than major cities. With more compute than even large groups of average individuals will ever be able to muster. It doesn't matter how much of a force multiplier it is. 10x return on a force of 10,000,000 is exponentially more return than a 500x increase on a force of 100.
Ai may just be a tool, but it's not going to turn the tide in favor of the left.
Yea of course, that’s what all the headlines were shared kept trying us everyday multiple times a day. They told us they would take our jobs, they’d assault our women and children, they threatened our way of life. Familiar
simplejack@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 21:06
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Lemmy’s daily active user numbers are not big enough to be a worthwhile astroturfing target.
The real reason people shit on AI here is because it’s a platform with a bias toward people who are fairly tech savvy and or work in a technology field. Which is why every 3rd technology post here is a Linux circle jerk.
A lot of users here understand the technologies and are working in spaces where they’re being asking to “implement AI” by idiots who don’t understand the tech and aren’t trying to solve a user problem.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 22:48
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It 100% is perfect for astroturf. It’s the perfect size for it. Large population need more money and effort to afford astroturf. Lemmy is the right amount then you let the Lemmy users generate more content for you.
We all saw this with Reddit. They always started with smaller city subs before moving to bigger ones. Always
I have seen this recently pretty often that people seem to believe Lemmy is an equal representation of the real world. It’s probably one of the more niche media platforms, though. I come here because I enjoy every third Linux post. I also know that I have to go out of my way to find someone who has even heard of Steam, let alone a Steam Deck in the real world.
Ya, I don’t really get the hate either. It’s just a fun new way to make memes. I feel like most are blowing things out of proportion because the media is telling them to.
Yeah, why would people not want to use lies and misinformation to promote their side. It truly boggles the mind that anyone could value truth, honesty and integrity.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net
on 08 Oct 20:50
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This is not slop, this is political misinformation disinformation. Call it what it is.
Slop is annoying, but it’s just AI generated spam. This is much more purposeful and insidious. The tools you used to make it are irrelevant.
village604@adultswim.fan
on 08 Oct 21:07
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Misinformation is too nice of a word.
Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 22:19
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Yup. Seems quite ragebaity.
rowrowrowyourboat@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Oct 21:08
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Disinformation. Misinformation is when it’s unintentional.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net
on 08 Oct 21:13
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Right, that’s more accurate.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 08 Oct 22:38
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As much as I hate to use this term because of the most prominent person associated with it:
This literally is an infowar, this is an actual psyop.
Targetted and fairly convincing mis and disinformation deployed at exactly the moment it would generate the most chaos and distrust in your own ability to evaluate reality?
Yeah. Yeah.
Thats a psyop, that is what an actual psyop is.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Oct 23:49
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It’s both. Slop can be meaningless drivel or deliberate misinformation.
Always have. Most of them have never met the people they've been taught to hate. Or believe for some reason that the few they know are some sort of exception. The token "good ones".
Right they hate these straw people. I mean, I;m not going to say my own cognitive projection of “conservative” is 100% accurate, but at least my nightmare scenarios are about actual bad things happening, and not like conservative nightmares of genetically inferior people getting to enjoy the gifts of civilization.
The difference between us and them is that we don't want to do things to hurt them. Far from it. We honestly want to do things to help them. When we do hate them, it's not for who they are, but who they choose to be. And that makes all the difference.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world
on 08 Oct 22:30
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I feel like AI generated videos of very active things like protests would be easy to debunk. Just look at the people in the background and point out the people disappearing after moving behind another person, or look for changing faces.
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com
on 08 Oct 23:42
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You haven’t seen a lot of Sora 2 videos. Identifiable traits require a pretty careful eye in many videos to spot.
You absolutely can’t even rely on the watermark, since removing that watermark is trivial to the nation-states running disinfo campaigns, and even for end users removal is trivial compared to creating typical public AI video models.
Maybe I’ll regret asking, but what could “haiku-level brilliant” even mean?
kn0wmad1c@programming.dev
on 09 Oct 01:08
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Typical MAGA astonishment at 17 syllables.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
on 08 Oct 23:36
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If right wing people were smart they wouldn’t be right wing. Of course they’re going to believe and share AI slop video. They’re emotional driven fools.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net
on 08 Oct 23:37
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Even if the images were real, I see a woman using her first amendment right to speech and assembly being assaulted by someone who has sworn to uphold the constitution.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works
on 08 Oct 23:48
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I never have to wonder what the Nazis in Germany would have done with modern technology. I wish I didn’t know.
Taylor Lorenz has had some great videos on AI Slop lately.
Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social
on 09 Oct 01:49
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The smartest move I ever made was dropping all mainstream social media. I don’t get any of this BS. Meta, Twitter, and Reddit are a plague on society and I’ll have no part in it.
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Ok, so why do they utilize these tools and the left cries about it.
I’ve said this for a while. The hate of AI on lemmy was encouraged by Astro turfing methods. This way leftist who usually are at the cutting edge of things instead knee cap themselves on a technology that acts as a force multiplayer. They will use this and advance. We will bitch and moan. The end result will be that they gain more and we don’t. So you can be upset and you can cry and hate this or me for pointing this out. That will never change the outcome. Your feelings don’t matter. What matters is outcomes right now. It matters what will get people to vote when it’s time. if you concede tools that help you reach eyes and ears of voters, be ready for consequences.
We gain by generating counter-slop? Wtf are you on about.
Anybody with a half a braincell can see the detrimental impact AI is having on social media & internet content generally. It’s not astro turfing, it’s just constantly dealing with generated nonsense that’s causing the hate.
People who are more susceptible to manipulation, which unfortunately seems to be right-leaning folks, seem to fall victim into believing & spreading it the most. They rarely do any form of fact checking.
Everybody is susceptible to manipulation. Are you crazy. Who do you think you are. It’s basic shit here. You need to push a singular message through repetition and people adopt it every time. The left are so ignorant to basics which is why everybody and their grandma knows about cat litter boxes rather than the arguments against it. This era of leftist are absolutely outclassed by a mile.
Oh fuck off. Nobody is “astroturfing” AI hate.
Plenty of us hate AI for perfectly reasonable ethical, sociological, and accuracy reasons.
Just because some anti-ethical twats are doing something with AI impactfully doesn’t justify the use of disinformation on our side.
They 100% are. There’s no doubt
Yeah, this person’s right! We should start making inflammatory AI videos, too! Dump that whole tanker ship in the fire, fuck it!
No. I am sorry, but no. The hate on Lemmy is not against AI as a technology, it is against how it is being used, how it is being peddled, how it is being shoved down everyone’s throats, and how much damage it’s doing to our environment (edit: and society, and art, and culture, and politics, and economy, and wellness, and overall desire to maintain a steady heartbeat!)
And, to your point about feelings not mattering, from what I’ve seen, most people (including myself) are exhausted! We are sureounded by people losing their shit left and right, bigotry, racism, hate in general are mainstream, Fascism is out, about, and in power, and it looks like we’re all forgetting that the planet is literally burning up again.
We are tired. Most of us have already been through enough shit as it is, we would want nothing more than to see the end of this string of “once in a lifetime” disasters, yet we understand that the easy way out means we’ll end up becoming exactly what’s ruining our lives right now. This isn’t just about winning, HOW we win is equally important, if not more so. Because that will set the tone for what would follow.
Enslaved with honor is still enslaved.
Oh, I said nothing about honour! There’s being nice, and there’s being fair. I’m more for being fair than being nice, and as I see it, it’s fair to hit back. The difference is in the nuance of how I hit back. Why eliminate when immobilise would suffice, y’know?
Not to mention that the bullshit in AI videos made by the left would absolutely get called out in every propaganda outfit on the right. It would just give them more ammo (without the usual lies).
But even more important, it will grant legitimacy to everyone who responds to damning video evidence by claiming it was AI. We don’t need to make shit up, the reality is already horrifying. All AI will do is make it harder for people to believe their own eyes.
I think it’s pretty obvious why people would be upset about a propaganda machine being used by a government to demonize its political enemies and voting base? The Iraq War started over less false pretenses, and look how that rolled out. The damage produced by this lying machine will be unimaginable.
Cool, it’s super important to be aware how getting punched will affect you while getting punched. Just don’t punch back because that isn’t what we’re about. In the end we win somehow. Maybe they’ll break their first on our head I dunno.
They utilize these tools because they have no morals. They are willing to lie and cheat their way into whatever they want.
The left does not have that advantage. We don’t want to lie, we don’t want to cheat, we want the liars and cheaters to be removed from power. Lying harder isn’t going to work for us because unlike the right, we will call out our own for it.
Yea sure the left are morally superior obviously. Not weak and ineffective. Morally superior
Nah, it wasn't astroturfed. Current gen AI is little more than automated theft ATM. A lot of artists had their work stolen with no compensation. And now have an even tougher time ahead, competing with the thieves than they already had before. A lot of the angst and hate has been knee-jerk and lacking nuance. Doing as much to alienate people from their cause as bring them to it. But it's real.
What's equally absurd however. Are those that naively think we could use AI against those already using it. They're building farms that consume more power than major cities. With more compute than even large groups of average individuals will ever be able to muster. It doesn't matter how much of a force multiplier it is. 10x return on a force of 10,000,000 is exponentially more return than a 500x increase on a force of 100.
Ai may just be a tool, but it's not going to turn the tide in favor of the left.
Yea of course, that’s what all the headlines were shared kept trying us everyday multiple times a day. They told us they would take our jobs, they’d assault our women and children, they threatened our way of life. Familiar
Lemmy’s daily active user numbers are not big enough to be a worthwhile astroturfing target.
The real reason people shit on AI here is because it’s a platform with a bias toward people who are fairly tech savvy and or work in a technology field. Which is why every 3rd technology post here is a Linux circle jerk.
A lot of users here understand the technologies and are working in spaces where they’re being asking to “implement AI” by idiots who don’t understand the tech and aren’t trying to solve a user problem.
It 100% is perfect for astroturf. It’s the perfect size for it. Large population need more money and effort to afford astroturf. Lemmy is the right amount then you let the Lemmy users generate more content for you.
We all saw this with Reddit. They always started with smaller city subs before moving to bigger ones. Always
I have seen this recently pretty often that people seem to believe Lemmy is an equal representation of the real world. It’s probably one of the more niche media platforms, though. I come here because I enjoy every third Linux post. I also know that I have to go out of my way to find someone who has even heard of Steam, let alone a Steam Deck in the real world.
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Ya, I don’t really get the hate either. It’s just a fun new way to make memes. I feel like most are blowing things out of proportion because the media is telling them to.
Yeah, why would people not want to use lies and misinformation to promote their side. It truly boggles the mind that anyone could value truth, honesty and integrity.
This is not slop, this is political
misinformationdisinformation. Call it what it is.Slop is annoying, but it’s just AI generated spam. This is much more purposeful and insidious. The tools you used to make it are irrelevant.
Misinformation is too nice of a word.
Yup. Seems quite ragebaity.
Disinformation. Misinformation is when it’s unintentional.
Right, that’s more accurate.
As much as I hate to use this term because of the most prominent person associated with it:
This literally is an infowar, this is an actual psyop.
Targetted and fairly convincing mis and disinformation deployed at exactly the moment it would generate the most chaos and distrust in your own ability to evaluate reality?
Yeah. Yeah.
Thats a psyop, that is what an actual psyop is.
It’s both. Slop can be meaningless drivel or deliberate misinformation.
Its not fake if MAGA believes it … that puts it into psyops territory.
Not real, but not exactly “fake”.
Republicans want to hate so badly, they’ll literally create fiction to manifest it and be the victims…
Always have. Most of them have never met the people they've been taught to hate. Or believe for some reason that the few they know are some sort of exception. The token "good ones".
Right they hate these straw people. I mean, I;m not going to say my own cognitive projection of “conservative” is 100% accurate, but at least my nightmare scenarios are about actual bad things happening, and not like conservative nightmares of genetically inferior people getting to enjoy the gifts of civilization.
The difference between us and them is that we don't want to do things to hurt them. Far from it. We honestly want to do things to help them. When we do hate them, it's not for who they are, but who they choose to be. And that makes all the difference.
Fake videos and fake comments pushing us to the edge
Lenin dreamt of this kind of propaganda power.
I feel like AI generated videos of very active things like protests would be easy to debunk. Just look at the people in the background and point out the people disappearing after moving behind another person, or look for changing faces.
You haven’t seen a lot of Sora 2 videos. Identifiable traits require a pretty careful eye in many videos to spot.
You absolutely can’t even rely on the watermark, since removing that watermark is trivial to the nation-states running disinfo campaigns, and even for end users removal is trivial compared to creating typical public AI video models.
Say it ain’t so! Not James Woods! Fuck, this time line sucks…I want a different one 😤
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He’s been a right-wing asshole for a long time, unfortunately.
Maybe I’ll regret asking, but what could “haiku-level brilliant” even mean?
Typical MAGA astonishment at 17 syllables.
If right wing people were smart they wouldn’t be right wing. Of course they’re going to believe and share AI slop video. They’re emotional driven fools.
Even if the images were real, I see a woman using her first amendment right to speech and assembly being assaulted by someone who has sworn to uphold the constitution.
I never have to wonder what the Nazis in Germany would have done with modern technology. I wish I didn’t know.
Human psychology is the same no matter the tech.
It just makes it easier.
And deadlier.
This is actually pretty scary because they can just put their enemies in the videos to justify arresting people they don’t like
Taylor Lorenz has had some great videos on AI Slop lately.
The smartest move I ever made was dropping all mainstream social media. I don’t get any of this BS. Meta, Twitter, and Reddit are a plague on society and I’ll have no part in it.