As Smartphone Industry Sputters, the iPhone Expands Its Dominance (www.nytimes.com)
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As Smartphone Industry Sputters, the iPhone Expands Its Dominance::Apple, which is set to release a new iPhone on Tuesday, has increased its share of smartphone sales by converting Android customers and adding teenagers.

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autotldr@lemmings.world on 21 Sep 2023 10:00 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Wireless providers, much like auto dealers, offer discounts and monthly payment plans that make it more affordable to buy the latest model.

The stigma associated with having green text messages is so pronounced that when it came time for Dave Storrs’s 14-year-old son to get his first smartphone, the teenager told his father that he wanted an iPhone or no phone at all.

For more than a decade, he took pride in being what he called an “Android renegade.” He owned a series of LG and Motorola phones, even as his son and other family members pressed him to buy an iPhone.

The migration from Android to Apple has accelerated as promotional discounts, financing plans and trade-in offers make higher iPhone prices less of a barrier.

In 2017, Apple began working with government officials to start manufacturing iPhones locally, a move that has improved affordability by avoiding import tariffs.

The new flagship iPhones that Apple is set to unveil this week will feature speedier processors, more sophisticated cameras and titanium rather than stainless steel cases, according to supply chain analysts.


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TheCuriousCoder87@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 13:56 collapse

IPhone or no phone at all? Ok, you have your wish. No phone.

CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works on 21 Sep 2023 10:04 next collapse

🙄

Maven@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Sep 2023 10:04 next collapse

Unless an iphone becomes literally the only option, I don’t see myself ever getting one. I’m deeply morally opposed to their walled-garden approach, and I won’t even get one Samsung’s Androids for the same reason. It would be nice for me if there was more people like me, but regardless, as long as there’s a freer option, I’ll be taking it.

zzzzzz@lemmy.ml on 21 Sep 2023 10:19 next collapse

It’s too bad Android didn’t lean more into it’s relative freedom. Instead, almost all Android manufacturers have followed Apple’s lead closely. I have to believe there’d be a sizeable market for a flagship Android phone with, say, a removable battery, headphone jack, SD card slot, and an easily unlocked bootloader.

ArbiterXero@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 11:50 next collapse

They exist, they just aren’t popular because most people don’t care.

zzzzzz@lemmy.ml on 23 Sep 2023 12:00 collapse

They don’t exist. Believe me, since I finally put my old LG V20 out to pasture, I’ve been waiting. The closest thing is the Fairphone, but it doesn’t support all US LTE bands.

[deleted] on 21 Sep 2023 13:29 next collapse

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Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi on 22 Sep 2023 09:53 next collapse

Bootloader a are usually pretty easy to unlock, it’s Safetynet that is the biggest problem these days. Though you can generally sandbox it a little bit with a custom ROM. If, however, you try to keep it stock and have it rooted with Magisk it can be a nightmare depending on the manufacturer.

whitewall@lemmy.ml on 23 Sep 2023 05:37 collapse

Aside from maybe the headphone jack, those are all features that enthusiasts want but average consumers don’t care about enough to compromise on size, waterproofing or price.

Smartphones depend so much on economies of scale, and a limited pool of cutting edge components, it would be hard to sustain a niche market just for enthusiasts.

foggy@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 10:20 next collapse

I’m just opposed to their brand ethos. They always complicate things in the name of simplicity.

apple mice have 1 button to click, and that this decision was made (in the 80s) because they thought 2 button mice would confuse the average user.

… and now apple users command + click all the time, like that isn’t more complicated.

That’s not why I hate apple, but it is why I hate apple. They perpetually put the cart before the horse.

“We stopped including a charger in the box to help the environment”

Actually this means more boxes are being created in total and this is worse for the environment. 🤦‍♂️

Edit: God you apple stans are annoying af. I guess y’all are just an extension of their obnoxious ethos lol.

EddieTee77@lemdro.id on 21 Sep 2023 10:33 next collapse

I agree with you and the OP of this thread. I don’t want to support a company with a walled garden approach and they over complicate things to be unique

akafester@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 11:39 next collapse

“We stopped including a charger in the box to help the environment”

Actually this means more boxes are being created in total and this is worse for the environment.

How so? That thought only works if you think they still manufacture the same amount of chargers and package them. Which would be pretty dumb given that they aren’t guaranteed a sell. Also, who doesn’t have a bunch of different chargers already?

vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Sep 2023 12:46 next collapse

Lmao, are you forgetting they also changed the cable from standard usb to lightning to USB c to lightning after they stopped including the brick?

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 13:47 collapse

Yeah, because everything is transitioning to USB-C and that’s a good thing. They made that switch when they removed USB A ports from their Macs.

vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Sep 2023 15:50 next collapse

That doesn’t invalidate my point at all.

foggy@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:06 next collapse

Apple stans gonna stan.

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:15 collapse

lol god forbid I don’t agree with y’all on one specific criticism of Apple. There’s plenty they do I criticize. Still mad about the 3.5 mm Jack and their repair bs is hypocritical

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:07 collapse

It does create less waste. If someone buys an iPad, Apple Watch, and iPhone they can charge them all off one usbc brick. Doesn’t need to be Apple brand. I use an Anker one myself. Same thing with their cheap headphones that used to come with the phone. I had accumulated a bunch of crappy headphones I never used over the course of a decade.

TheCannonball@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 08:55 collapse

They only made the jump to USB-C because they were forced to. They would have loved to stay on their proprietary hardware for as long as possible.

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 13:06 collapse

Rumor is they wanted to wait to go portless. In current state Qi chargers work on iPhones but they don’t charge as quickly as their proprietary MagSafe connector which I find ridiculous so I’m glad they had to add a standard port

foggy@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 13:05 collapse

You can Google for the myriad of reports on this very topic.

Here’s the top result.

theverge.com/…/apple-iphone-12-chargers-airpods-g…

akafester@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 17:36 collapse

Lots of ‘mights’ and ‘ifs’. No concrete evidence. Also they write that it might spread out across lots of manufacturers. And not only that, this is an article from when the iPhone 12 got released, which was the first to include a USB-C to lightning adding to the worry.

foggy@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:00 collapse

Again, you’re free to use Google and continue your research yourself. There are lots of them. I took the top result, I didn’t vet it because the mountain of evidence is overwhelming.

Cheers.

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 13:32 next collapse

Apple devices have had right click for a while now. It’s a two finger press.

TheCannonball@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 08:57 collapse

His point is that they were 2 decades late to the party.

dpkonofa@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 12:13 collapse

His point is wrong.

TheCannonball@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 12:57 collapse

Wrong how? The Microsoft mouse was released in 1983 with 2 buttons. The first time Macs had a second mouse button was with OSX which was released in 2001.

dpkonofa@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 15:52 collapse

Macs have always supported right mouse clicks. They’re just unnecessary in most cases. On top of that, no one Cmd+clicks because there aren’t anymore 1-button mice since the new mice are multitouch surfaces.

So, in other words, he’s wrong for multiple reasons.

TheCannonball@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 16:03 collapse

I love when people are confidently wrong.

Mac’s have not “always supported right mouse clicks.” www.wired.com/2000/…/eek-a-two-button-mac-mouse/

dpkonofa@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 16:11 collapse

I also love when people are confidently wrong. OS8 supported 2-button mice, along with OS9, and OSX. You’re confusing the fact that Apple’s mice didn’t have 2 buttons with whether or not any 2-button mice worked. I know because I owned one. On top of that, you can still, to this day, emulate OS8 and OS9 and use the “secondary” click.

So are you going to admit you were wrong or are you going to gaslight me and tell me I didn’t use a two-button mouse more than 2 decades ago?

gearlive.com/…/why-apple-makes-a-one-buttoned-mou…

“Apple supports multi-button mice. Right out of the box. Furthermore, this is not a ‘new feature’ of OS X. Support for contextual menus (the primary use for the two button mouse) have been around since OS 8.6, which is now more than seven years old. Let me repeat, Apple supports multi-button mice.”

TheCannonball@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 18:12 collapse

After a deep dive of research into ADB and reading about the extended mouse protocol, i relent that yes Apple did support multiple mouse buttons for a long time.

However, also seeing that Apple’s own first party multi-button mouse that supported right clicking only came out in 2005… your point is just like saying that old cars with 8-track playes supports Spotify cause i have my phone auxed into a converter.

So, factually, you’re correct. But his point still stands.

dpkonofa@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 00:24 collapse

That analogy is terrible. You could plugin a 2 button mouse and clicking the 2nd button gave you contextual menus. You’re just being dishonest. There was no converter necessary.

TheCannonball@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 05:06 collapse

I’m not being dishonest.

Apple never supplied you the mouse, it was hardware that you bought separately, just like the 8-track to Aux converter in my analogy. Apple only relented to providing you a mouse that supports 2 button clicks in 2005. That’s something Microsoft has provided since day 1 which is why “they’re late to the party”. It also emphasizes how apple wants to limit it’s user’s experience despite their machine’s capabilities.

I’m pretty sure that meets the requirements for the original point.

dpkonofa@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 07:49 collapse

You are, though. You only said two things that I pointed out were both wrong.

First you said that Macs didn’t have right click until OSX in 2001. That’s wrong no matter which way you want to spin it. Macs as machines supported it before 2001. Apple didn’t include a mouse with a 2nd button until 2005 (and it wasn’t even a second button, it was a multi-touch mouse).

Then you just said that Microsoft provided something. Microsoft didn’t make computers back then. They never bundled any mice with any software so you’re wrong on that count too.

The argument was never about whether Apple supplied a mouse. You’re being dishonest and you won’t even fess up when called out. So… more dishonesty.

TheCannonball@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 13:36 collapse

I already admitted that you were correct about Apple supporting a multi-button mouse. What you’re missing us the fact that they didn’t want you to have one until 2005. They made you buy a non brand mouse to do the job.

Microsoft made their first mouse in 1983 to go with Word, and it had 2 buttons. Go back even further and Xerox had one with 3 buttons in 1981.

The point stands that Apple purposefully chose to not bundle a multi-button mouse until 2005 becasue they didn’t respect their user base. Their walled garden approach to computers and software is great for people who are just need a PC or a Phone. But historically their not for developers or power users.

dpkonofa@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 13:40 collapse

More dishonesty. You had to buy the Microsoft mouse separate from any computer purchase just like you would have had to for a Mac. Apple didn’t bundle a mouse with a secondary button because their User Interface Guidelines explicitly state that user functions should not be hidden behind non-UI interactions and that all commands should be accessible by a primary click.

It has nothing to do with a walled garden. You’re wrong and now you just sound ignorant.

TheCannonball@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 14:26 collapse

Look man, i get that you’re probably a diehard Apple fanboy, but you’re really missing the point.

Fact 1 - Microsoft openly supported a multi-button mouse and offered it to you. PCs that were budled with Microsoft windows came with a 2 button mouse. They trusted their users to understand how it worked.

Fact 2 - Apple supported mutli-button mice but refused to bundle it with their computers until 2005 because they didn’t trust that users were smart enough to use it.

These 2 facts lead back to the original point. That PC makers trusted their users were smart enough, and Apple didn’t. That Apple only relented when they were proven wrong that people could very easily use and understand a multi-button mouse. That they were late to the party to bundle it with their computers.

Prove me wrong on either if the 2 facts.

And the “walled garden” is an ethos which has dictated all of Apples choices. They want to have full control over what us done on their hardware and software. It has merit to our conversation.

And honestly, your arguments will never change the fact that Apple’s approach to hardware and software has been a deterrent to user for decades.

dpkonofa@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 16:03 collapse

Alright, I’m out. You’re a liar and are moving the goalposts of the original discussion. I don’t engage with liars. Worse yet, you attack anyone who proves you wrong as a fanboy. There’s no point in continuing with rude, dishonest people.

TheCannonball@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 16:08 collapse

Oh get over yourself. You’re giving up because you have no more argument. You realized you lost so now you’re butt hurt about the whole thing.

I didn’t insult you or Apple fanboys. I pointed out clearly obvious things, relented when you proved yourself correct, and showed how OP meant his point by using facts.

dpkonofa@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 22:04 collapse

No. I’m ending this because you’re a liar and are dishonest. Why would anyone continue talking to someone discussing anything in bad faith. The fact that you’re even calling it “giving up” proves you’re a liar.

TheCannonball@lemmy.world on 24 Sep 2023 00:04 collapse

Where am i being dishonest?

LifeInOregon@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 14:22 next collapse

Apple Mice have had right click for 14 years, and their trackpads have used two finger click in its place far longer than that. And before that, any two button mouse worked just fine in OS X from 2001 on (earlier if you ran the beta of OS X). So your information is anywhere from two decades to one and a half decades out of date. Well done.

foggy@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 17:48 collapse

Someone’s mad.

So what you’re saying is they put the cart before the horse and eventually succumbed to the market pressure of their mistakes.

Got it.

Oh look, they did it again.

What’s really sad is that you’re out here promoting a trillion dollar company for free. Well done.

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:28 next collapse

Someone’s mad.

Hello projection my old friend…

foggy@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:34 collapse

No, just responding to their cheeky “well done” comment.

Just because you say someone is projecting doesn’t make it true.

I like how you Apple stans keep proving my point about the brand’s borderline toxic ethos.

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:37 collapse

Acting like someone is a corporate shill just because they don’t agree with you reeks of butthurt

Out here calling people names but anyone that doesn’t agree with you are the toxic ones, lol

foggy@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:43 collapse

butthurt? About… what?

Dude… go outside.

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:46 collapse

You seem to be upset that this isn’t an echo chamber. And yes, I’ll be sure to touch some grass as soon as I clock out.

foggy@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:47 collapse

Now who’s projecting?

I am in no way upset, my guy. It’s clear you are, though.

Cheers.

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:52 collapse

I’m not upset by your views of Apple at all. I don’t have an emotional connection to them any more than I do the company that made my forks. Doesn’t change the fact that your criticism is so old it can go buy a six pack.

foggy@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:55 collapse

Is there a reason you’re still talking, beyond that lack of emotional connection?

Please, don’t answer 🙏

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 18:57 collapse

I mean, couldn’t I say the same to you? Sometimes petty internet slapfights can be mildly entertaining. Certainly beats actually doing my job. I’m sure we can both agree on that

LemmyseemyP@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 19:39 collapse

This is like being on Reddit.

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 19:57 collapse

Yeah I’d agree with that assessment. Only one more hour til I can touch grass, I can’t wait. I’m not even kidding, it’s a beautiful day outside

LifeInOregon@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 22:37 collapse

🙄

thattysonguy@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 11:44 collapse

Speaking of annoying af. Look at you, you’re the same. You’re not anti-apple, you’re just pro-anti.

dojan@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 10:32 next collapse

I don’t see myself ever going back to Android (beyond my work phone that is) because it’s so much hassle. An iPhone I can get second hand and keep for five or six years. Most Android manufacturers stop supporting their devices pretty much after release.

I don’t want to be forced to upgrade my phone all the time. It’s a tool, switching it out is a hassle. I don’t want to think about it all the time, it’s just meant to be there and work when I need it.

That’s something I never got from Android. I liked my OnePlus One, but I hated that I had to flash updates myself and use MAGISK to circumvent security stuff so I could use my day-to-day apps.

Honestly I think it’s a problem with the whole “smartphone” market altogether. You don’t really own your device, and the manufacturers would love it if you upgraded yearly. It’s why twice-a-year releases were so popular for a while.

All I hope for is for all the anti-consumer bullshit to get regulated out of existence.

GentlemanLoser@ttrpg.network on 21 Sep 2023 11:09 next collapse

What apps required that much circumventing? I’ve owned solely Androids and I’ve never run into “my phone’s software is so outdated I can’t run XYZ apps on it”

Do you do something really special on your phone that requires the latest version, in which case your experience is not going to be relevant to most users… Or are you just wayyyyy overstating the actual impact it had on your life?

neshura@bookwormstory.social on 21 Sep 2023 11:40 next collapse

I hated that I had to flash updates myself and use MAGISK to circumvent security stuff so I could use my day-to-day apps

This right here heavily suggests they rooted their phone which is not exactly something recommended for a “one and done” type of phone setup. Not exactly well versed there but I doubt jail breaking an iPhone would net you a better experience than rooting an Android phone. So this, to me, reads like uninformed whining.

dojan@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 12:02 collapse

BankID stopped working on older phones (more correctly: older operating systems). It’s absolutely central to daily life in Sweden.

Brokkr@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 11:14 next collapse

It sounds like you made some choices about how you engaged with android phones that you regretted. Maybe you weren’t aware of the consequences of your choices, which I can see being a reason to favor apple (because they don’t offer choices).

However, your experience could have been completely different. There are plenty of ways to use android’s that don’t involve nearly as much effort as you describe. Security updates can be nearly automatic, requiring only a restart. Root access isn’t strictly necessary, but is choice you can make. And changing phones can be as easy as logging in to your Google account (nearly everything gets synced automatically).

dojan@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 12:23 collapse

I don’t want to change my phones. I want the device I paid out of my nose for to work however long I want it to.

In Sweden we have this authentication service called BankID, which is central to daily life. I use it to authenticate online purchases, pick up parcels, pay my bills, order groceries, handle doctors appointments, contact my ISP. You name it, it does it.

Now I have my issues with BankID as a platform, but it’s what we have. Not using it is an option, but adds so much extra administrative overhead. Need to cancel your electricity because you moved? Sure, it’s a five minute phone call with BankID, or alternatively a two week process with forms and BS.

The nature of this software means you need to have a phone with a recent security patch. They stop allowing older operating systems to run it for obvious reasons.

Thus, when I switched out my OPO in 2020 it was in part due to the failing hardware, but primarily because of how flaky the setup was. I had to unlock the boot loader to flash a ROM, BankID wouldn’t run with an unlocked boot loader, so I had to root the blasted thing to run MAGISK to fool the piece of shit that all was good.

I could obviously have upgraded to a newer phone, but with Android at the time I’d be in a similar spot a couple of years down the road. Apple has many issues, but they at least offer support for their devices for years.

The iPhone 5S was released the same year as my OnePlus One, and got a security patch back in January 2023. The OnePlus One got its last in 2016.

Samsung has dropped support for their $1980 Galaxy Fold 1, and it was only released in 2019. The iPhone XS I got second hand for $400 in 2020 was released in 2018 and got a mainline OS update the other day.

Android might work great for you, but until some major things change I’ll stick to iPhone as my personal device and keep Android as my work phone.

ruckblack@sh.itjust.works on 21 Sep 2023 11:45 next collapse

What? Your complaints would be solved by simply… not rooting your phone lmao.

dojan@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 12:24 collapse

My options were either rooting the device or throwing it out and buying a new one as a very important app didn’t support older OS versions anymore.

ruckblack@sh.itjust.works on 21 Sep 2023 17:17 collapse

Fair enough, I’ve never had that problem

skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Sep 2023 19:51 collapse

I mean google plans on supporting the pixel 8 for a really long time, sampsung provides support for a pretty long time

dojan@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 11:45 collapse

Yeah, and that’s excellent, it’s sad that it took a decade and a half to decide to do so though. Fairphone I believe is setting out to offer security patches for ten years, so whenever I’m swapping out my Pixel 6, that’s probably the company I’m going with.

Apple has many issues. They’re obviously greedy. I hate their underhanded marketing strategies. Their greenwashing makes me cringe. I hate how hard they cling on to locking down their phones, and I’m glad the EU has stepped in. But they have been offering the best software support on the market.

My phone is five years old, and I’ve had it for three years. The battery could suffer replacing, but other than that it feels brand new. The only crashes I’ve ever had have been Samsung’s stupid smart home app, and some apps in beta testing. I miss the ability to have two apps open side by side, but that’s the only thing I miss with my Android phone.

WiildFiire@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 22:54 collapse

What phone did you end up choosing?

Maven@lemmy.sdf.org on 21 Sep 2023 23:52 collapse

I went with the Motorola G Stylus 5g. It’s not perfect, but it does have an SD slot, a headphone jack, FM radio, an easily unlocked bootloader, and a built-in stylus I didn’t expect to care about but which I have grown weirdly dependent on. I just wish it had a removable battery.

rockandsock@lemm.ee on 22 Sep 2023 12:40 next collapse

How are you liking it? That’s at the top of my short list for my next phone? Any major flaws or issues?

scottywh@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 16:35 next collapse

I can’t think of any particular complaints I have with mine.

Works well…

Okay, I take that back… I wish battery life was a little bit better …

But, that said, I often spend entirely too much time goofing off on my phone lately and that’s certainly not helping.

rockandsock@lemm.ee on 23 Sep 2023 21:45 collapse

Thanks. I’m the only one I know who uses moto phones so it’s nice to hear opinions from people who actually own them.

Maven@lemmy.sdf.org on 23 Sep 2023 05:04 collapse

Zero issues for me so far, except the standard complaint about modern phones; it’s too darn big.

scottywh@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 22:27 collapse

I really like the size but I’m 6’2" and about 260 pounds so I’m a pretty big guy I guess.

Personally, I wouldn’t want to go back to a smaller one again though.

scottywh@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 2023 16:33 collapse

It’s what I have as well and I quite like it.

It’s a very good phone overall in my opinion.

nevemsenki@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 10:40 next collapse

It doesn’t help Google is locking down android more and more with each release,inching closer and closer to Apple’s shitty philosophy without the same guaranteed support.

hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 11:24 next collapse

Outside the US, no one cares. Most people use WhatsApp and they don’t care what hardware it runs on.

chemicalprophet@lemm.ee on 21 Sep 2023 11:35 collapse

What’s WhatsApp?

Edit: nm i googled it. It’s a way to sacrifice your privacy and security while supporting an evil company. I’m cool…

deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de on 21 Sep 2023 11:45 next collapse

As if iMessage, the platform that requires hardware from a specific company, is much better.

solarvector@lemmy.zip on 21 Sep 2023 12:21 next collapse

There are more than two options for messaging now.

Both primary phone platforms are kinda shit though.

chemicalprophet@lemm.ee on 21 Sep 2023 15:53 collapse

I’m a Signal man myself but iMessage’s faults don’t make WhatsApp any better and that’s a blatant whataboutism, fuck!

Dasnap@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 15:46 next collapse

Funnily enough, WhatsApp being E2E encrypted means it’s one of the more private and secure chat apps out there.

admin@lemmy.my-box.dev on 21 Sep 2023 15:59 next collapse

It still records who you talk to, as well as how much and when. That info is held by the biggest peddler in privacy info out there. No way I trust Facebook/meta as much as any of the other e2e chat clients.

Dasnap@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 16:32 collapse

Oh yeah, other options are better. Implying that it’s completely unsecure is just misleading.

admin@lemmy.my-box.dev on 21 Sep 2023 16:34 collapse

Gotcha, good point.

MeanEYE@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 20:23 next collapse

The problem is, it’s not open source… so whole E2E encryption is based on “trust us” method. We have no idea if implementation is any good or if it at all does what hey claim it does. Sure at some point they might have paid some company to do independent review but it’s not on version-by-version basis.

wax@lemmy.wtf on 21 Sep 2023 21:10 collapse

E2E encrypted between facebook app #1 and facebook app #2, sure

idefix@sh.itjust.works on 21 Sep 2023 18:57 collapse

I can’t believe you seriously asked what WhatsApp is… where do you come from?

chemicalprophet@lemm.ee on 21 Sep 2023 20:43 next collapse

Compton fool! But i think the real excuse is I’m old and don’t do social media other than this.

idefix@sh.itjust.works on 22 Sep 2023 16:06 collapse

Everyone around me have family groups on WhatsApp, including 90+ old grandmas.

chemicalprophet@lemm.ee on 22 Sep 2023 18:21 collapse

Awesome! You should definitely investigate Signal and start recommending it to others. Meta is evil and can’t be trusted. Or privacy is critical to our survival. Party on, Comrade

idefix@sh.itjust.works on 25 Sep 2023 19:30 collapse

I was a Signal fan until they decided to drop SMS. Now it’s just an app with 1% of my friends.

chemicalprophet@lemm.ee on 25 Sep 2023 19:41 collapse

Why are you attached to sms?

idefix@sh.itjust.works on 26 Sep 2023 04:42 collapse

Because that’s the universal text messaging platform - everybody’s got it. And because we’re receiving messages from companies via SMS.

chemicalprophet@lemm.ee on 26 Sep 2023 15:58 collapse

Yeah. I don’t care about that. Security trumps convenience for me and i have to say that signal is pretty convenient.

Gsus4@feddit.nl on 22 Sep 2023 00:31 collapse

Dude could be Chinese…

smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de on 21 Sep 2023 12:01 next collapse

Between iPhone and Android, I choose PostmarketOS.

TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 19:12 next collapse

I am a big Apple guy, but this is not healthy. I wish Google would step up their game.

skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 21 Sep 2023 19:50 next collapse

I kinda wonder if there will be any US device makers left? I guess mg biggest fear is let’s say iPhone uses up 90% marketshare in the US than releases a new standard for cell carriers and they drop support for anything but iOS.

dtrain@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 2023 20:52 next collapse

Monopolistic companies: “This is the way”

Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de on 22 Sep 2023 20:23 collapse

Imagine traveling to the USA requiring an iphone. Rip tourism

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip on 23 Sep 2023 05:41 next collapse

I’ll just stick with lineage os

psychothumbs@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 2023 21:52 collapse

So depressing when the bad guys win. iPhone keeps getting worse quality relative to competitors and keeps gaining market share… that thing with the blue and green bubbles should really be illegal.