Gen Z falls for online scams more than their boomer grandparents do. The generation that grew up with the internet isn’t invulnerable to becoming the victim of online hackers and scammers. (www.vox.com)
from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 00:00
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Gen Z falls for online scams more than their boomer grandparents do. The generation that grew up with the internet isn’t invulnerable to becoming the victim of online hackers and scammers.::undefined

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autotldr@lemmings.world on 24 Jan 2024 00:00 next collapse

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“People that are digital natives for the most part, they’re aware of these things,” says Scott Debb, an associate professor of psychology at Norfolk State University who has studied the cybersecurity habits of younger Americans.

In one 2020 study published in the International Journal of Cybersecurity Intelligence and Cybercrime, Debb and a team of researchers compared the self-reported online safety behaviors of millennials and Gen Z, the two “digitally native” generations.

But because Gen Z relies on technology more often, on more devices, and in more aspects of their lives, there might just be more opportunities for them to encounter a bogus email or unreliable shop, says Tanneasha Gordon, a principal at Deloitte who leads the company’s data & digital trust business.

Staying safer online could involve switching browsers, enabling different settings in the apps you use, or changing how you store passwords, she noted.

Gordon floated the idea of major social media platforms sending out test phishing emails — the kind that you might get from your employer, as a tool to check your own vulnerabilities — which lead users who fall for the trap toward some educational resources.

But really, Guru says, the key to getting Gen Z better prepared for a world full of online scams might be found in helping younger people understand the systems that incentivize them to exist in the first place.


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originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com on 24 Jan 2024 00:02 next collapse

genX are the perps. shhhh dont tell anyone. no one knows were here

rdyoung@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 00:03 collapse

This is also why we are more likely to notice it. Some of us could teach the scanners a thing or two.

Asidonhopo@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 07:17 collapse

Yeah I’d say growing up coding in Basic on DOS machines, and logging onto BBSes gives us a leg up over millenials who at best started with AOL and Windows 98

Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 00:11 next collapse

I feel like the scams are just more intracate nowadays.

Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz on 24 Jan 2024 03:52 next collapse

They’re really not. I got one just this morning, your credit has been placed on hold for your AmEx card, log in to update your info… Yeah ok I don’t have any credit cards, and besides why is a pet boarding domain sending me AmEx emails? If you can’t spot something that obvious then you really don’t deserve to have a bank account.

Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 14:48 next collapse

Have you seen the scams that spoof your banks phone number so it looks official, only way to check if it is real is to call back.

Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz on 24 Jan 2024 17:39 collapse

Are you referring to actual phone calls? I mean everyone should know by now that phone numbers can be easily spoofed, we see that in every call claiming we need a new credit card or car insurance. The easiest way to see if a call is a scam is to force them to go off-script. Like when they start asking for personal info like your SSN… you called me, why don’t YOU know my information? Of course they’ll say they need it to verify who I am, and I’ll just tell them that they should already know who I am since they called me. Another big tell is if they want more than just the last four of your SSN… absolutely no legitimate agency will ask for the entire thing over the phone.

I guess it just depends on how much free time you have, but sometimes I just like messing with these people to waste their time. Some will get downright angry when they realize you have no intention of falling for their scam, but mostly they just hang up.

redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2024 16:24 collapse

Thats a dumb one but I had emails come from the real domain of the company.

Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz on 24 Jan 2024 17:43 collapse

Sounds like a company that shouldn’t be trusted if they’re getting hacked that easily?

Marin_Rider@aussie.zone on 25 Jan 2024 06:53 collapse

things will be worrying when people Deepfake family members

AngryishHumanoid@reddthat.com on 24 Jan 2024 00:20 next collapse

Gen Z are 11 to 26, younger when this study was done. Take out the youngest cohort of Gen Z and the oldest cohort of Boomers, then show me the new statistics. This is how you mislead with data.

Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2024 00:23 next collapse

You mean kids don’t have enough life experience to spot scams at first glance? No way!

eager_eagle@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 01:24 collapse

I’m surprised. Just like that time I was the 1,000,000th visitor of this well reputable website back in the day.

Nommer@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jan 2024 00:23 next collapse

And people have unirinically said that zoomers don’t need to learn computers and tech because advancements in UI have made that obsolete.

givesomefucks@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 00:32 next collapse

The cost of falling for those scams may also be surging for younger people: Social Catfish’s 2023 report on online scams found that online scam victims under 20 years old lost an estimated $8.2 million in 2017. In 2022, they lost $210 million.

Teenagers are bad at risk assessment…

This shouldn’t shock anyone, but it makes boomers feel good about themselves and their lead addled brains can’t handle the critical thinking to understand why this isn’t the win they think it’s is…

pavnilschanda@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 00:57 next collapse

True. As a kid I’d fall for scams all the time, constantly downloading malware that would crash the family computer.

lledrtx@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 02:12 collapse

No way it went up 20x in 5yrs? There must be something weird with the data

givesomefucks@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 02:19 next collapse

Time online would naturally increase, but more importantly the pandemic would exacerbate that while also increasing the amount of people resorting to scamming.

There’s multiple parts to the equation, called confounding variables.

EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website on 24 Jan 2024 02:34 collapse

Honestly a lot actually has changed in that time.

So much info has leaked that it’s a lot easier to phish users than ever. There are dumps of usernames and passwords, so you can know several websites they use as starting points for fraud.

Password reuse and credentials stuffing are also common now, which means if teens reuse passwords you can get into manu of their accounts.

lamabop@lemmings.world on 24 Jan 2024 01:50 next collapse

Millennials are probably the best at avoiding scams.

Unfortunately we also have no money to scam anyway.

Altofaltception@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 02:41 collapse

It’s because of all that avocado toast.

AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com on 24 Jan 2024 09:43 next collapse

I stopped eating avocado toast and now I own a mansion and 5 supercars.

Altofaltception@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 12:05 collapse

I knew you could do it!

jaybone@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 11:26 collapse

Plot twist: avocado toast is the scam.

MrBusiness@lemmy.zip on 24 Jan 2024 11:55 collapse

Mmmmm scam

MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com on 26 Jan 2024 20:13 collapse

More scam, please

yoshisaur@lemm.ee on 24 Jan 2024 02:44 next collapse

wish i could say i’m surprised. i’m gen z myself and i’d say i’m pretty decent with not being an idiot with technology. i do the usual stuff like running firefox + uBlockOrigin and i’m also a linux user. anyways, people at my school are just… so dumb with technology. a bunch of people have lost permission to use their school chromebooks and a computer at school because they got malware on it. either by going to a pirate site or just clicking a random download button (my school doesn’t allow us to use adblockers). not to mention that most of them believe that macs cannot get malware. so yeah, i’m unfortunately not surprised with this

stardust@lemmy.ca on 24 Jan 2024 04:29 next collapse

I thank getting into pcgaming for pushing me towards tech literacy. With how simplified tech has gotten and most usage being phones it’s not surprising so many are more clueless than boomers who were at least forced to use PCs in an office setting.

yoshisaur@lemm.ee on 24 Jan 2024 18:01 collapse

that’s similar to what happened to me. i wanted to make a ROM hack for super mario world. fast forward 3 years later and im now using a jailbroken iphone and dual booting win10 and fedora

skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de on 24 Jan 2024 10:05 next collapse

(my school doesn’t allow us to use adblockers)

wtf why

jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2024 12:56 next collapse

Because you can potentially install other extensions, chrome and edge will suck with uBO soon anyway, and you cant install exe’s or chocolatey, too restricted.

yoshisaur@lemm.ee on 24 Jan 2024 17:59 collapse

yeah that’s probably it

yoshisaur@lemm.ee on 24 Jan 2024 16:39 collapse

i really wish i knew

jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2024 12:59 next collapse

Same here, people look at me like an alien when I say that I use an android (no root anything) or a jailbroken iPhone. I’ve met people that don’t even understand the concept of a folder…

redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2024 16:22 collapse

Getting malware on a chromebook is hard. How did they manage that. I thought it was even more locked down than ios?

yoshisaur@lemm.ee on 24 Jan 2024 18:00 collapse

i’m honestly not sure. i should probably ask the school IT guy because he had to ban a few people from using chromebooks. we are allowed to download things so that’s probably it though.

cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de on 24 Jan 2024 03:37 next collapse

Why do we have names for generations? Stupid.

Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org on 24 Jan 2024 04:02 next collapse

Yeah, it’s become the new sports teams. Everyone loves blaming their problems on whatever generation they least identify with, when realistically there’s no fair way to judge an entire generation and no fair way to compare groups with such large age gaps and wildly different experiences growing up.

twack@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 05:17 collapse

Because “the youngest cohort falls for online scams more than the oldest cohort” means the same thing but communicates far less information.

Brekky@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 04:24 next collapse

I means if we’re talking about things like ordering from wish/temu (which I absolutely would) then yeah I can totally see this.

the_q@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 05:18 next collapse

Gen Z is also less tech savvy even though they’ve only known devices and screens since they were born so this isn’t surprising.

Plopp@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 05:25 next collapse

Even though? I don’t think it’s a correct assumption that “devices” would or should make you tech savvy. Smartphones and tablets makes you less tech savvy I’d say. Proper desktop OS computers is where it’s at.

Benaaasaaas@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 06:21 next collapse

It doesn’t matter if it’s smartphone or desktop it’s the not quite working part is what got millennials tinkering and understanding technology

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 21:32 collapse

Fuck desktop OS computers. You can be completely tech illiterate if you use MacOS and Windows only. Hell, even a lot of modern Linux distros are basically “Linux with training wheels.” You want to get really tech literate? Do what I did and use nothing but vanilla Arch for around 3 years, constantly installing new things that broke my install and having to fix it or just reinstall at least once every two months. The greatest teacher isn’t necessity. It’s frustration. The second greatest is the arch linux wiki.

DavLemmyHav@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 25 Jan 2024 06:29 next collapse

“i use arch btw”

TheBat@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 06:40 collapse

I literally can’t tell if this is supposed to be a serious comment or a shitpost copypasta.

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 16:47 collapse

Little bit of both.

HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de on 24 Jan 2024 07:20 next collapse

I dont think this is the case. I feel like there just is a much wider gap because some people grow up without a computer (they may have one but not see the use of it) and others do. I bet you’d be surprised both at how non-tech-savvy and at how tech-savvy some genZ-ers are.

I have had people asking me for help because their “keyboard was capitalizing everything” (caps lock was on) or being amazed by touch typing. But there are also many people who are (at least somewhat) tech-savvy and it’s not so few people either.

QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 08:13 next collapse

What I’ve heard, and what makes sense, is that Millenials had to learn technology and troubleshoot all the issues for their parents.

Now that they’re grown up, they continue to troubleshoot issues for their kids and fix any issues.

So their kids don’t get that same experience.

This is more of a generalization of course, there are absolutely genZ-ers who are tech savvy.

Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jan 2024 09:42 next collapse

I think you raised a good point. A household where one or both parents is heavy into coding or missing would probably help them more than a household that only relies on ‘smart’ technology. Either of those options would be way more helpful for these skills than growing up without any technology, which is just reality for a lot of people.

I know someone from Gen Z who is horrible with computers. I also know someone from Gen Z who is fantastic with computers.

To be honest, I don’t think any generation is immune to this, despite what some want to think.

My personal experience might be biased, but I’ve also seen a lot of millenials in their early to mid 30s who struggle with almost anything online. Too damn many. I’ve also seen some people from Gen X who are beyond tech illiterate. We don’t really talk about those guys though.

There is still time to fix this problem with the younger Gen Z, but there’s almost never any discussion about actually doing that either. “Gen Z” also includes kids who are around 12, but we often act like Gen Z all grew up into adults. Let’s get some of that school funding back ffs! Kids have to learn from somewhere, and many of their parents seem to not care about teaching them any of this stuff.

Many of us were lucky enough to grow up when most of this technology was still developing. We HAD to troubleshoot things if we wanted them to work. Fewer things were locked behind “customer service” and crappy warranties. You could physically open things up to fix them without having such a high risk of breaking them in the process.

ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one on 24 Jan 2024 15:56 collapse

I’ve also seen some people from Gen X who are beyond tech illiterate. We don’t really talk about those guys though.

First rule of Gen X is that we don’t talk about Gen X.

stoly@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 18:31 collapse

It is the case. The generation that grew up with an iPad never had to learn to use a file system.

HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de on 24 Jan 2024 19:03 collapse

Except gen Z didn’t grow up with just an iPad, at least not the majority. A good amount of people had (or have) access to a laptop or family computer. Thats why I say that the gap has just gotten wider. Some people, eg. the ones that just had an iPad and all they ever did was social media and mobile games - sure, they know very little about computers. But the ones that did use computers (and thats not a small amount) do really know how to use it - which is not limited to the more or less office-focused skills of older generations.

bionicjoey@lemmy.ca on 24 Jan 2024 12:50 collapse

They’ve only known devices which were built with such a curated UX that they never tried to troubleshoot problems for themselves. When I was a kid you had to be able to figure out how to edit config files and tweak registry keys to get your PC game to run. These days everything is so smooth and seamless. Oh sure, stuff still breaks. But the computers are pocket sized and run on a locked-down OS, so there’s no point trying to troubleshoot them yourself.

AVincentInSpace@pawb.social on 26 Jan 2024 08:54 collapse

The difference now is that in the olden days when something broke you could fix it if you had enough technical know how. For some reason that doubtless involves money that I do not care to learn, companies have invested a staggering amount of R&D into making fixing anything as close to impossible as they can make it unless you are an authorized service technician.

Pop the hood on a modern car, you can change the wiper fluid and that’s about it. Apple is proud of their walled garden and parts pairing and is considering charging for the privilege of sideloading apps. Most applications nowadays don’t even show crash report data to the user and error messages are getting less and less descriptive for fear of being confusing. The only thing you can really pop the hood on nowadays is webpages, and even then you’ll often have to do at least an hour’s worth of reverse engineering to get anywhere useful.

bionicjoey@lemmy.ca on 26 Jan 2024 11:30 collapse

That’s not the result of advancement, it’s the result of obfuscation. It’s a deliberate trend among companies to make us powerless to manage our own devices. They absolutely could make them in a way that is simple enough for an end-user to understand if they really wanted to.

AVincentInSpace@pawb.social on 26 Jan 2024 20:29 collapse

Regardless of what caused it, the fact remains that people stopped learning how to fix their own crap because there’s hardly anywhere they can apply those skills.

I’m in a particularly techy subset of gen Z. Every electronic device I own is either jailbroken or running a different operating system than the one it shipped with. I use Linux exclusively which is a fancy way of saying I’m used to having to fix things when they break without any instructions on how to do that. I have trouble with tech meant for normies. They hide so much complexity it makes them impossible to troubleshoot. How can I expect people who were raised on tech meant to be seamlesa to mend the inevitable seams when I don’t know how?

It’s not their fault, is what I’m saying. I agree that interfaces nowadays are too user friendly.

Rob200@thelemmy.club on 24 Jan 2024 05:31 next collapse

I disagree partially with this article. While not every gen z tech consumer is a Linux user. Not all of them fall for scams. It’s rather, the people who are so invested in certain franchise like Fortnight, and trying to get free robux or vbucks. Or trying to get free gift cards to get free curency to buy games on console storefronts. There a some that are gen z the do exersize common sense. Being a gen z myself, I would say I am one of those that do exersize common sense guarding form scams.

jerrythegenius@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 08:46 next collapse

It made you sound really old when you said “fortnight” and not “fortnite”

Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jan 2024 09:43 collapse

Not to mention some of Gen Z is still only around 12 years old.

[deleted] on 24 Jan 2024 18:23 collapse

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feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 08:31 next collapse

They can’t use computers! Sorry to generalise, but I was called a genius for using the task manager and just basic Word formatting. The thing is, we do have our 10,000 hours, maybe I am the equivalent of a chess grandmaster in Word. It’s just jarring to hear from a university student.

jerrythegenius@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 08:49 next collapse

As a gen z, I agree-- I once used a terminal in front of one of my friends and he (unironically) asked if I was programming it myself.

feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 09:11 next collapse

From what I can see, it’s because “screens” got so much easier to use there’s been no need for countless nights of screaming at the laptop until you figure something out. I mean, it was not easy becoming fluent.

jerrythegenius@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 11:25 next collapse

I mean, there was that one time that I tried alpine linux w/sway and then spent ~30 minutes connecting to my friends wifi (this was when he asked if I was programming it myself).

feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 17:42 collapse

Right, Linux printer drivers. I am the only person on the internet that solved the issue, as far as I can tell.

jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2024 12:53 collapse

I am scared to see what will happen when iPad kids grow up and something doesn’t work, their understanding of an app is an icon with a label that you click so it opens. No troubleshooting skills whatsoever, even googling a problem isn’t an option for them.

jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2024 12:42 next collapse

Same here, I have the nickname “hacker” at school just because I use an android and am tech savy. I have seen people that didn’t know what a folder was, thx apple, and thought I was hacking the school or smth when I updated some stuff in termux.

TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jan 2024 21:07 collapse

That’s wild to me that people consider using an android device to be technical in anyway. It’s literally designed to be user friendly enough for grandmas and grandpas to use. iPhones have really rotted some people’s brains.

TheBat@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 06:38 collapse

It’s them blue message bubbles causing weird things to their brains.

jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2024 12:50 collapse

Same here, I have the nickname “hacker” at school just because I use an android and am somewhat tech savy. I have seen people that didn’t know what a folder was, thx apple, and thought I was hacking smth when doing an update in Artix…

random_character_a@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 09:29 next collapse

I think that generalization is acceptable.

Most avoid computers. My parents use’em and click everything they come across with. Decade ago I installed Linux in their shitty old computer, just so I can remove everything they can use to screw up the OS.

Everything was fine for few years till my father bought a new shitty low end computer from the black friday with all kinds of support and additional warranty BS that needed Windows with VNC that they really didn’t understand.

So, the result of that study is BS. One reason is that people selling old people expensive shit they don’t need is not considered a scam.

feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 11:38 collapse

Boomer mother using Samsung flagship device to use WhatsApp and literally nothing else? That contract is absolutely a scam.

lepinkainen@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 13:36 collapse

80yo grandma with a ultrafast 5G data plan bigger than mine. And her daily phone is a Doro that doesn’t even do text messages.

stoly@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 18:29 next collapse

Late Gen X to early Millennial was the sweet spot between needing to know how a computer works and having a computer that just works. People before and after don’t have that experience.

HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de on 24 Jan 2024 19:16 next collapse

There is a split in gen Z: The ones who didnt use a computer growing up and those that did have one (and also the time to mess around with it). But I feel like you cant group them together.

feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 20:51 next collapse

That’ll be a very pronounced split in Millenials and Gen X as well.

cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 01:17 collapse

When I spoke to my younger half-brother a few years back I was stunned to find out he only had an Xbox and phone. No PC. I think he’s doing well academically but how the fuck he lived without a proper PC I’ll never know.

I think my dad and his mum refused to get him one to protect him cos they didn’t let him play GTAV either. It was too violent.

I shudder to think WTF he’ll do when AI comes along.

No1@aussie.zone on 24 Jan 2024 22:19 collapse

I had a work colleague who had a spreadsheet with one column calculating something to do with a particular date. They didn’t have any formulas at all. For any calculations. They would go in each day and manually calculate and then type in the values. In every cell.

I put in an input cell date, and simplest of formulas in 3 cells, and they looked at me like I was some kind of wizard.

I returned to my desk, put my head in my hands in sheer shock. I still don’t understand what they thought a spreadsheet was for…It made.nice columns?

Anyways, when I recovered, I finished my resignation letter,.and that was the best thing I ever did in that particular cesspool 😁

skeeter_dave@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jan 2024 09:09 next collapse

They never played Runescape and it shows

bionicjoey@lemmy.ca on 24 Jan 2024 12:45 next collapse

One does not simply buying gf

WolfhoundRO@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 19:33 collapse

They never heard of Theresa Fidalgo and it shows

jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jan 2024 13:18 next collapse

Exposure to technology does not automatically breed expertise. I have a 15 year old. Smart phones have existed for her entire life. She knows how to use Snapchat and take goofy selfies. That’s where her expertise ends. Any time anything is wrong, she sounds like her grandma complaining “mY mOdEm DoEsNt WoRk!” It’s not a modem grandma! That’s your computer! Most of her friends are the same way.

lepinkainen@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 13:35 collapse

And “WiFi” is synonymous for “Interenet connection” to them.

Yea, kiddo, the WiFi is working just fine, but the ISP crapped its pants and you can’t connect to anything past this house.

otp@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jan 2024 15:38 collapse

My partner is a millennial who grew up with computers, but never got too technical with them. She was confused when I told her that our WiFi was down at the router, but we still had an internet connection.

“If we have internet, why can’t I connect?”

Because the WiFi isn’t working.

“But you said we still have an internet connection.”

Well, I do, and so would you if you’d let me run an ethernet cable to your office, too!"

“…but if there’s no WiFi, why does the cable work?”

Lol

NarrativeBear@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 17:20 next collapse

Not to mention most ISP marketing is pretty loose in its terminology. Most if not all radio or tv ads these days seem to interchange internet and wifi as if they are one and the same on a daily basis.

ie. All ads stating something along the lines of “subscribe to whole home wifi for a low monthly fee.”

I have too many conversations on both sides of the age gap trying to explain the difference between supplying your own router with its own wifi capabilities as opposed to a ISP modem/router combo.

Mikina@programming.dev on 25 Jan 2024 07:02 collapse

I’ve had this conversation so many times with my partner. She’s on an older laptop in a room that’s directly through a pretty thick wall from the router, but its still a short distance to bring an Ethernet over, and she’s always using her laptop only at her desk there anyway.

She’s always yelling at me (who have my desk right next to the router, and everything I use has Ethernet ) that the internet is down again and that she really needs it right now, because work.

But no, getting angry at me that I should do something about it is fine, but that something apparently shouldn’t mean the most feasible solution.

I’m not dealing with a WiFi extender for a spot that’s literally like 8 meters from the router, for her 100mbs WiFi card.

But it’s her loss, at least I have the remaining 900mbps for myself from our plan…

otp@sh.itjust.works on 01 Feb 2024 23:33 collapse

Here, you can plug this into your laptop whenever the WiFi goes down and you need internet RIGHT AWAY. If you don’t need it urgently, then you don’t have to plug it in.

“But wires are ugly!”

Not if you keep them organized!

“No, they’re just ugly! Just fix the wifi so this doesn’t happen anymore!”

…yes dear

werefreeatlast@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 14:39 next collapse

But these are sophisticated scams where the scammer sounds exactly like Uncle John and he wants you to help him out with some chips and a Costco gift card for Amazon. That’s pretty normal because your uncle doesn’t like going to the mall.

It’s not like the boomers sending all their money because a prince is going to invest it in recovery his kingdumb or something like that and then pay it back tenfold.

dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 24 Jan 2024 14:46 next collapse

Boomers fall for online scams because they aren’t aware of how powerful the internet can make bad actors.

Zoomers fall for online scams because they’re younger and simply inexperienced dealing with scam artists.

Millennials fall for online scams because we’re lonely and really want the friendly Indian guy we’re talking to to get their itunes gift card.

ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one on 24 Jan 2024 15:56 collapse

Gen X would love to fall for online scams however everyone keeps forgetting them.

reverendsteveii@lemm.ee on 24 Jan 2024 18:08 collapse

in fairness, it’s because y’all answer every question with “Yeah, totally…” and no one has any idea whether you’re being sarcastic

stoly@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 18:27 next collapse

Radical dude.

ExfilBravo@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 21:14 next collapse

Yeah, totally…

stringere@reddthat.com on 25 Jan 2024 00:08 collapse

Word

ikidd@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 15:55 next collapse

I think they’re way more used to just giving information away without thinking about it. “They have everything already, why fight it” just plays into the hands of scammers.

otp@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jan 2024 15:57 next collapse

When you grow up around something being easy to use, you lose the intricate understanding that used to be necessary.

For Gen X and Millennials, it’s probably cars and/or electronics.

Busted light switch cover? Better call an electrician “just in case”.

Need to replace an air filter? Better take it to the shop.

Not sure where the line is, but I had a Gen X woman tell me that she needs to take the car to the dealership to get her air pressure adjusted. When I showed her how to take off the cap on the tire’s air pressure valve, she looked at me as if I had just pried off her steering wheel, lol

Not sure where the line is drawn, and there are definitely some people in those generations who know those things. But I’d bet Boomers and earlier generations had a better understanding on average.

erwan@lemmy.ml on 24 Jan 2024 18:25 collapse

To be fair, cars are becoming less and less serviceable.

I had a light bulb that died on my car, and tried to change it myself. How hard could that be?

Turns out the light bulb is so buried under the engine I ended up giving up and bringing it to the shop. And often even independent shops can no longer service cars, you have to bring it to your maker’s dealership because only they have the proprietary tooling to fix it.

Godnroc@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 18:42 next collapse

That feels like it should be illegal.

RockstarSunglasses@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 19:14 next collapse

As a car enthusiast and backyard mechanic, this is precisely why I prefer to own older vehicles. If something goes wrong with my '06, I can handle that. My friends/family members with newer cars, by and large, can’t even handle their own basic maintenance because of the way things are designed now. It’s worse than planned obsolescence, it’s engineered difficulty.

baldingpudenda@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 05:34 collapse

Want to change the oil? Good luck! the filter is behind the engine and right next to the exhaust cause fuck you. At this point I’ll look at getting a roller and doing an EV swap.

yesman@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 19:30 collapse

I tried to replace my sister’s serpentine belt a couple summers ago. Simple, basic maintenance, right? Turns out, the only way to turn the tensioner, was from underneath the car. I’m still mad about it.

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 24 Jan 2024 21:26 next collapse

If there’s one thing I’ve noticed about Gen Z purely from interacting with them online it’s that they’re incredibly, remarkably gullible. Like, broadly resistant to the concept of facetiousness, sarcasm, or that they might be being taken for a ride. They take everything at face value. I once made the joke on reddit that the greatest Disney villain of all time was Cobra Bubbles from Lilo and Stitch because his backstory was that he used to work for the CIA before becoming a social worker, which meant there was a non-zero percent chance he helped train Osama Bin Laden in insurgency tactics in the 1980s and was therefore indirectly responsible for 9/11. The zoomers were both confused and outraged because they believed me entirely at face value. I would imagine them applying a similar degree of online literacy to your average dark pattern scam that said “click here for free V Bucks.” There are no V Bucks, dog. There’s never any V Bucks.

Chriswild@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 17:08 next collapse

I’m not sure that is any different than any other generation. Hell, I doubt you know the age of all the people you’re talking about.

If you ask my grandparents the whole US is being destroyed by immigrants despite their day-to-day being the same for decades.

All I gotta do is point out Newsmax and Fox News viewership to counter this stupid Zoomer vs Boomer shit. Just because they are less terminally online doesn’t mean they are less gullible.

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 23:33 collapse

*Person criticizes Zoomers*

Random Zoomer: “Yeah, well, THE BOOMERS ARE WORSE.”

Chriswild@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 23:34 collapse

I’m not even a zoomer. I’m just trying to not be sensationalist like the source.

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 23:46 collapse

By the source I assume you mean me, and not the article. Because I’m not being sensationalist. I’m being unfair and judgmental. Very different things.

Chriswild@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 23:49 collapse

No I mean the source. You’re just being anecdotal and that’s ok.

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 00:16 collapse

Vox is being charitable to the Zoomers, though, observing that “Gen Z simply uses technology more than any other generation and is therefore more likely to be scammed via that technology.” The original study is also in a peer reviewed journal. It’s not making judgment calls about Zoomers. It’s aggregating statistical data. You can read the article here: vc.bridgew.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1052&a…

From the discussion of findings at the end of the article, the researchers observed that

“It is reasonable to assume that the safer practices the older group self-reported is accompanied by greater knowledge of information security simply because of the additional years of being engaged in a digital-technology world. Specifically, it was hypothesized that Generation Y would rank higher than Generation Z adults on the OSBBQ Cybersecurity Awareness subscale, and significant differences were observed for half of the items included in the analysis.”

And also that

“From a developmental perspective, it is possible that the normal adaptations that occur throughout one’s life impacted how individuals in this study perceived the literal meaning of the items. This could be due to cultural differences inherent to their generational cohort and the individual experiences that occur over time with age. For example, people tend to lose their sense of invulnerability as hey age (Denscombe & Drucquer, 1999) and generation Y adults grew up in a world where adapting to privacy and cybersecurity threats were first becoming more commonplace. These individuals are now at an age where the realities of (online) risk have become part of their conscious awareness as it relates to their lack of invulnerability.”

Like, this formal study is incredibly generous in its discussion of why Gen. Z might be shown to be more statistically likely to fall for online scams than other cohorts. It also goes into great detail to explain its own limitations as a study.

Chriswild@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 00:23 collapse

That study seems to be a survey of college students knowledge of cyber security not anything to do with what you were claiming before as there are no boomers in question.

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 00:29 collapse

Yes, they acknowledge that as well when they discuss the sample population. Baby Boomers are literally not a part of it. The title of the Vox article is just drawn from a Deloitte industry survey. Which has no real context or judgment around it - it’s purely a reporting of aggregate statistics. The Vox article just attempts to explain why Zoomers, a generational cohort that grew up with the internet, might be more statistically prevalent for succumbing to those scams compared to Baby Boomers, who were fully adult when the internet became widespread. The superficial presumption is that you would expect the opposite - the older generations have little to no familiarity with modern technology and are more easily victimized by it. That presumption is all the Vox article is discussing, really, and why it’s probably not correct.

Chriswild@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 00:42 collapse

So you agree the article is sensationalist? Why link me a study that is irrelevant for no reason?

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 02:07 collapse

So you agree the article is sensationalist?

The article is not sensationalist. Please quote me a part of the article that you feel is and I can address the statements that make you feel that way.

Why link me a study that is irrelevant for no reason?

Because that study is referenced as one of the primary sources the article uses to provide evidence for the phenomenon it discusses. The link to that research paper is literally in the article. It’s critical to the article.

Chriswild@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 03:19 collapse

You just broke it down on how it sensationalized some completely bs data because boomers aren’t online as much as zoomers. You’ve gotta be trolling with this

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 05:15 collapse

You can say the title is clickbait, but that doesn’t make it sensationalist. I feel like either you and I have totally different definitions of sensationalist, or you think the article is doing something it’s not. The article does the following

  1. Introduce a surprising fact: Zoomers fall for online scams more than Boomers do. This is surprising because a) Zoomers are online so much and would be expected to be innately familiar with such things and b) online scammers famously target the elderly, so much so that Boomers are almost stereotyped as being the victims of internet scams.
  2. Add supporting details and discuss the source of the facts being discussed - specifically it introduces the Deloitte study, a 2023 report by Social Catfish, and the academic article I linked in my previous comment. These all help provide the concrete, factual basis for the article.
  3. Highlights important findings from these sources that explains this phenomenon, including the centrality of mobile devices to the lives of Zoomers, how many popular apps have no real safeguards against predatory users or advertisers, and cultural or societal trends that might influence how Zoomers perceive their interactions with others on the internet.
  4. Discusses how Zoomers can better protect themselves online and how, one can infer from the article, an adult or guardian could help Zoomers stay safe on the internet - such as by enabling safer settings or utilizing alternative browsers and ad blockers (things Zoomers might not innately think to do or know about), while also addressing some of the failures of large corporations and app developers to safeguard their users.

I’d like to know what part of that is sensationalist to you, because in my mind that is a remarkably by the numbers tech article.

Also, the data itself is not “BS” - it’s something that is accurate, but has to be understood within a specific context. That’s literally what the article is doing - contextualizing the information. You are saying it’s sensationalizing the data. It’s not. If anything it’s doing the opposite. It’s making the data more mundane by providing logical explanations for it.

Chriswild@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 05:54 collapse

Sensationalism- the use of exciting or shocking stories or language at the expense of accuracy.

You clearly grasp it is surprising or shocking and you clearly grasp that a higher percentage of Z are online in their generation than the percentage of boomers online.

You’ve got to be trolling at this point.

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 13:56 collapse

the use of exciting or shocking stories or language at the expense of accuracy.

What part of this article is inaccurate?

cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 01:06 collapse

I have no evidence of who’s falling for my ‘trolling’ online but it’s very similar to what you describe. I’ll make some absurd, nonsense claim or insult them using flowery nonsense language that can’t possibly be taken seriously - but they do!

I suggested that Java devs (programmers) are the reason we’ll never have FTL engines. They took me seriously!

Yet there’s other times you’ll get obviously younger people screaming in comments under videos “FAKE!” because they can’t conceive that the video’d thing could happen.

In that instance I can understand it to a degree because they don’t have the lived years experience to compare what they’re seeing on screen. You’ll get them claiming “that would never happen” or “people don’t do that and if you think it’s real go touch grass” and I’m thinking - “hang on that’s happened to me at least 3 times”.

I understand it’s probably just the arrogance of youth but it’s quite shocking at times just how confident they can be of their own ignorance.

rwhitisissle@lemmy.world on 26 Jan 2024 02:13 collapse

I know people who teach high school and they say that Gen Z has both an extreme degree of personal esteem and that they won’t take shit from anyone who disparages who they fundamentally are as people (like people giving shit for them being from immigrant families, being POCs, being LGBT, etc.), which is fantastic - no one should ever put up with shit like that. But they also seem to have a very hard time organizing their thoughts and making logical conclusions from structured evidence. Like they can’t write a paper making an argument for something and providing evidence for why something is a certain way. It’s all stream of consciousness. I think that as a generational cohort they might be more inclined towards “unstructured thought” or perhaps “stream of consciousness” than other generations. As old as I might sound because of this opinion, I do think that the fact that they interact with information almost entirely through mobile devices is a potential component of that. The mechanisms and mediums by which you consume information arguably shape how you process information.

risencode@lemmy.ml on 24 Jan 2024 21:29 next collapse

Well yeah, there’s a lot more of them on the internet.

Socsa@sh.itjust.works on 24 Jan 2024 22:00 next collapse

They are also falling for right wing trolls wrapped thinly in progressive language

NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone on 25 Jan 2024 06:34 next collapse

King of obvious really by the sheer volume of manosphere, crypto, etc grift content out there.

TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world on 25 Jan 2024 07:06 next collapse

So… based on this headline… studies from the NFT craze a year and a half ago are finally coming out.

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