A huge battery has replaced Hawaii's last coal plant (www.canarymedia.com)
from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 12:00
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A huge battery has replaced Hawaii’s last coal plant::undefined

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BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 12:21 next collapse

Wasn’t very clear but the battery will be charged using existing renewable sources.

The headline is poorly worded since coal is energy production and batteries are energy storage.

ironeagl@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jan 2024 13:23 next collapse

No, the plant is full of primary batteries! 4.2 million AA cells!

Lmaydev@programming.dev on 11 Jan 2024 15:30 next collapse

I assume they used to fire up the coal plant to fill gaps but now use the battery which stores excess energy generated.

Edit:

The plant’s 185 megawatts of instantaneous discharge capacity match what the old coal plant could inject into the grid, though the batteries react far more quickly, with a 250-millisecond response time. Instead of generating power, they absorb it from the grid, ideally when it’s flush with renewable generation, and deliver that cheap, clean power back in the evening hours when it’s desperately needed.

Seems pretty clear to me.

disablist@lemdro.id on 11 Jan 2024 16:04 next collapse

Coal is also energy storage, well, all fossil fuels. That’s their primary advantage, on-demand easily accessible stores of energy.

If only they didn’t simultaneously pollute and cook the earth when used…

blandfordforever@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 16:10 collapse

They are stored solar energy! Releasing the energy also unfortunately releases the carbon into the atmosphere.

eager_eagle@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 16:20 next collapse

All our “energy production” just converts energy from one state into another. Like a battery.

A dam is often referred to as a giant gravity potential energy battery.

weew@lemmy.ca on 11 Jan 2024 21:29 collapse

in terms of usage though, they are quite similar. Coal serves on-demand power, whereas renewables generate power at times that don’t always align with demand. Batteries can take the role of a coal plant if the renewables already generate sufficient energy, just at the wrong times.

Motavader@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 12:45 next collapse

This is awesome, but now we need better battery tech that doesn’t rely on lithium and cobalt. Getting that up to this scale will be hard, though.

rockSlayer@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 13:05 collapse

There’s some promising headway with molten sodium-sulfur batteries. Not only are they at similar capacity as lithium, but their molten nature allows for the batteries to store energy long-term. The downside is a low cycle rate and the heating requirement. Another promising battery tech is sodium ion batteries, which can use iron as a cathode to output similar power and cycling as lithium

DoomBot5@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 13:19 collapse

This application needs the opposite of that. They need lots and lots of cycles, easy to maintain, and density is not much of an issue.

rockSlayer@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 13:21 next collapse

Sodium-sulfur batteries are designed for the role of grid storage.

Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net on 11 Jan 2024 17:59 collapse

Iron-Air batteries will fill that role

NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 13:04 next collapse

the batteries react far more quickly, with a 250-millisecond response time.

Probably also a world record for the most powerful power switch.

Just imagine you press that button, and 185 Megawatts start to flow :-)

DoomBot5@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 13:18 next collapse

They didn’t say react all at once. I bet you it’s a much slower ramp up.

OriginalUsername7@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 14:56 collapse

“I cast lightning bolt”

Flicks switch

Pxtl@lemmy.ca on 11 Jan 2024 15:02 next collapse

<img alt="Batman hooking into the Gotham power-grid to shock Superman, from Miller’s Dark Knight Returns" src="https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/ed65195b-872b-4f04-b01d-f33a14083ccd.png">

Amir@lemmy.ml on 11 Jan 2024 18:15 collapse

I tap two islands…

Brkdncr@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 13:33 next collapse

Great but the article didn’t address how they are making up for that lost production capacity besides stating “renewables”

My biggest fear is that these dirty, reliable energy producers get decommissioned without a way to provide power on a unique cloudy week that also has little wind.

I’d rather those dirty producers be kept at the ready, just in case.

Serinus@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 15:06 next collapse

I’d rather have brownouts, and I don’t think either is likely.

_Analog_@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 15:23 next collapse

Solar panels still provide power on cloudy days.

In fact under certain conditions they’ll produce more power than under full sun - solar panels drop in efficiency when they are too hot. (Yes I know this isn’t normal; normally full sun will produce more power, but some people don’t know cloudy days are fine for solar energy production.)

Brkdncr@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 15:59 collapse

I have solar and battery. They do not provide more energy on cloudy days. You sometimes get lensing for a few minutes but that doesn’t offset the massive loss in production.

_Analog_@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 16:48 collapse

That is… not what I said at all.

LesserAbe@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 16:03 next collapse

They did talk about that. The article said that in some cases solar producers have had to curtail production because the thermal plants needed to keep running. Solar will generate a lot during the day that might not otherwise be used, the battery allows that surplus to be stored until it’s needed. They also mentioned that more solar projects are being constructed.

TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 20:23 next collapse

Great but the article didn’t address how they are making up for that lost production capacity besides stating “renewables”

This is just non-sense. No general understanding of principals, or local understanding of context.

antimongo@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 21:17 collapse

Hawaiian Electric’s modeling suggests it can reduce curtailment of renewables by an estimated 69% for the first five years thanks to Kapol Energy Storage, allowing surplus clean electricity that would otherwise waste to get onto the grid.

aeronmelon@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 14:09 next collapse

The child in me just wants there to be a larger-than-life D-cell battery looming on the horizon.

blandfordforever@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 16:11 next collapse

Hawaii, I hope you all got that larger than life D.

Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi on 11 Jan 2024 21:41 next collapse

The question is, what brand? Duracell?, Eveready?, Energizer?

Oh my pkcell…

NickwithaC@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 09:19 next collapse

Eneloop

thesorehead@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 09:33 next collapse

Pkcell for sure. Just be careful with your dingus!

StefanT@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 17:51 collapse

It reads “158 Tesla Megapacks”. But yeah, these could contain Duracell :D

Fridgeratr@lemmy.world on 12 Jan 2024 18:22 collapse

The fabled Z cell

Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee on 11 Jan 2024 15:26 next collapse

Why did Hawaii have coal plants to start with? The place is literally made of volcanoes!

andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jan 2024 15:42 next collapse

Ohana means coal industry.

DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works on 11 Jan 2024 20:45 collapse

Geothermal energy requires a very stable heat source near the surface. Unfortunately, while volcanoes meet both the “heat source” and “near surface” criteria, they are not at all stable.

paholg@lemm.ee on 12 Jan 2024 17:02 collapse

It’s still wild to me that I visited Hawaii as a kid, and then several years later. When I went back, a road I had driven on as kid was covered in lava.

obinice@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 16:18 collapse

How much electricity do the batteries produce vs the previous power plant?

SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world on 11 Jan 2024 17:57 collapse

None. But still it gives power when it’s dark and solar panels stop producing power. It’s a miracle.