Because the notes were not removed, they’re just not working due to data center problems right now. Or, at least, that’s enough of a possibility to raise questions.
auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 28 May 21:20
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Inertia, at least in some cases. It takes a lot of work to rebuild your audience. Leaving is accelerating, though, albeit slowly.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 May 09:31
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In other words, the so called “Networking Effects” (which have nothing to do with technical networks and are actually about how “people go were people are, so the more people are in a place the more people go there, the more people are there, the more people go there and so on”) in the business of social networking that made a handful of players dominant, are very hard to revert.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 May 01:32
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Clearly, because even that article is bullshit and couldn’t find 10 despite naming it “Elon Musk, King of Censorship: 10 Times the ‘Free Speech Absolutist’ Silenced Twitter Users” lol
Government ordered takedowns are not Twitter censoring people - it’s the government.
As for “cis” and “cisgender” - they’re considered slurs on there, but they’re not censored. You can go on there and post “cisgender” as much as you want.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 May 02:14
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They operate within the law. If a government says you either ban an account in their country or you stop providing your service to the entire country, which do you think X should do? Because those are the options - follow the law or exit the country.
X are challenging the government legal orders in court btw, but in the meantime they have to cooperate. Like I said, the government are the ones censoring free speech here, not X. Do you not see the difference? To operate in a country you need to follow their laws. Not every country has free speech constitutionally guaranteed btw.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 May 01:34
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It’s fucking unreal just how completely lost you magats are. Just fucking upside down in relation to any sort of reality.
This is just too hilarious. The people that are completely out of touch with reality are people like you who say things like this.
Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works
on 29 May 03:56
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Says the guy who actually believes that felon musk doesn’t censor the everliving fuck out of any sort of dissenting view on his privately owned nazi platform.
Just. wow.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 May 04:36
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But there are “dissenting views” all over X? Pro-Democrat policy and ideology views are not censored. Pro Trans/Palestine/Abortion/every-other-left-wing views are not being censored.
Which views are being censored on X in America? What evidence do you have to support your claim?
Yeah, he’s a really low effort bad faith troll that’s been basically just walking into conversations to sling shit everywhere for months. Not even worth interacting with.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 May 01:29
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Because I can be. The fact that someone being on here with differing opinions upsets so many people is just a bonus.
Lemminary@lemmy.world
on 29 May 00:56
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FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 May 01:29
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That’s not censorship. You can still post with that word and it doesn’t get deleted. It just won’t get spread as far and wide. All your followers etc will still see it.
It’s being blocked from being read or seen, as per the definition. They are quite literally censoring a word for political reasons in line with their political agenda. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 May 02:11
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Do you think they should classify the “n word” as a slur and limit its reach? Is that censorship?
First, don’t fall into the trap of confusing censorship with moderation. Second, don’t confuse the world’s richest man’s sad attempt at fueling culture wars with plain racism.
I used to use Twitter and I know for a fact that it’s literally being limited by not allowing it to be read or seen, appearing under one of those disclaimers at the bottom of a thread that was caught by the filter and in practice functions as a convenient dustbin to silence discourse. And you said it yourself, it’s being treated differently by preventing its diffusion and visibility.
Or tell me, why is a neutral word like cisgender being censored at all? But spare me the gaslighting.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 May 04:42
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I know for a fact that it’s literally being limited by not allowing it to be read or seen
How do you know this? If you can’t see it or read it, how do you know this?
And you said it yourself, it’s being treated differently by preventing its diffusion and visibility.
That isn’t censorship.
Or tell me, why is a neutral word like cisgender being censored at all? But spare me the gaslighting.
Again - it’s not being censored. You don’t get posts removed for saying it. You don’t get banned. The term is a controversial one, it’s not “neutral”. “Cisgender” has no need to even exist as a word. You don’t need a word to mean “not trans”, which is 99.99% of the population. The word “transgender” existing negates a need for “cisgender” to exist. “Cisgender” is really only ever used as an insult, which is why it’s treated as such. There’s no word for “not blind”, because not being blind is the default, the standard.
First, don’t fall into the trap of confusing censorship with moderation.
It’s funny you say that. Moderation that removes all differing opinions, and bans people who express them, is censorship. Limiting the reach of posts deemed “hateful”, while not removing them or banning the person posting them, is not censorship.
How do you know this? If you can’t see it or read it, how do you know this?
Because it’s been reported by the news that I cited.
That isn’t censorship.
It’s the literal definition. Just because it’s thinly veiled as a moderation measure by a billionaire doesn’t mean that the core concept doesn’t apply. Like I said, don’t confuse it either way.
You don’t get posts removed for saying it. You don’t get banned.
And like I said, censorship is not only when your content gets removed or you get banned. You can have a similar effect with different mechanisms that effectively render content invisible, and I find it disingenuous of you not to consider that.
“Cisgender” has no need to even exist as a word.
You don’t need a word to mean “not trans”,
Brother, we have created entire fictional languages for less, and have names for concepts you can’t even conceive of. Your argument is fragile. And your monolignualism is showing with those nearsighted takes.
“Cisgender” is really only ever used as an insult,
Cisgender has been thrown at Musk and his supporters because they treat it as an insult. Don’t even. lol
Limiting the reach of posts deemed “hateful”, while not removing them or banning the person posting them, is not censorship.
It’s most definitely a form of censorship, and I will die on this hill tonight.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 May 07:42
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From your own source:
According to TechCrunch, users who write “cis” or “cisgender” on the X mobile app receive a full-screen message stating, “This post contains language that may be considered a slur by X and could be used in a harmful manner in violation of our rules.” Users can choose to continue publishing the post or delete it.
Strange censorship that is, letting you say what you want.
I know, strange times we live in where “liberal” words are treated as if they were so dangerous that they need a consent screen. I don’t see that happening to hate speech and you’re here defending this.
I know it doesn’t register in your mind the implications but I don’t expect you to.
I love how you reply by pretending that everything I’ve said up to this point hasn’t been said in this thread.
But I love more how you pretend that the contents of the ads being served to millions of users shouldn’t be reviewed for hate speech because the company is turning a profit and that makes it all ok.
Tell me, how old are you and what is your highest level of education? You sound sus as hell with these myopic replies. You really sound like you haven’t experienced life.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 29 May 23:44
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More educated than you, I can almost guarantee :). Some people call me Doctor, though I think that should be reserved for science and medicine. What’s yours btw? Degree in gender studies or arts? The lefts obsession with calling everyone they disagree with “uneducated” is so pathetic.
What are you talking about with regards to the contents of the ads? The “issue” that some people pretend to have is that they don’t think ads should be shown near content they deem hateful. It’s not the contents of the ads that people complain about. As for that complaint, only dimwit sees an ad and instantly thinks that the company the ad is for supports whatever views are shared in the same vicinity of it. In reality it was just a way for the left to try and guilt advertisers into leaving Twitter because they were upset that Elon ruined their safe space.
Oh really? I can almost always tell because it’s obvious in breath, depth and consideration shown in of the replies.
The “issue” that some people pretend to have is that they don’t think ads should be shown near content they deem hateful.
I sincerely can’t believe that someone who claims to be on par with a doctor doesn’t even entertain the possibility that the content of an ad could be problematic on a sociological level. And that’s on top of misconstruing the point I was making.
The “issue” that some people pretend to have is that they don’t think ads should be shown near content they deem hateful
You mean the advertisers of big corporations who care about their brand image don’t like that, right doctor?
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 30 May 00:22
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I sincerely can’t believe that someone who claims to be on par with a doctor doesn’t even entertain the possibility that the content of an ad could be problematic on a sociological level. And that’s on top of misconstruing the point I was making.
Do you think that that article you linked is saying that the content of the ads are “hateful” or “problematic”? That’s not what it’s talking about. It’s talking about showing normal ads near “hateful” content.
You mean the advertisers of big corporations who care about their brand image don’t like that, right doctor?
They only care when a bunch of idiots pretend that having an ad in the vicinity of something they don’t like means that the brand supports the thing they don’t like. They don’t actually care, they just pretended to so they could essentially blackmail companies into pulling advertising dollars from Twitter so they could try and harm twitter.
Did you not realise that? Did you really think that it was just a coincidence that all of a sudden it became some giant issue just as elon musk bought Twitter?
Oh really? I can almost always tell because it’s obvious in breath, depth and consideration shown in of the replies.
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right doctor?
Love it - when you try to make fun of me when you think I’m “uneducated” and it falls flat on its face because I’m more educated than you, you then try to make fun of me for being more educated than you lol. Amazing.
You also didn’t answer my question, while I answered yours. That’s not very nice. What is your highest level of education and, if it was higher than high school, what was the area?
They only care when a bunch of idiots pretend that having an ad in the vicinity of something they don’t like
Studies indicate a link between the ad and its emotionally charged context to viewers. [1][2] I know that Musk claimed that several times, almost verbatim as you said it, but it’s not exactly true. And I also know because I’ve had that visceral reaction to an ad being ‘misplaced’. I don’t think it’s an empty claim at all, and the company has every right to decide where to show their ads and why.
Did you not realise that? Did you really think that it was just a coincidence that all of a sudden it became some giant issue just as elon musk bought Twitter?
Like how Elon made it a huge deal himself by publicly telling companies to ‘go fuck yourself’ if they didn’t like it his way?
you then try to make fun of me for being more educated than you lol. Amazing
Nope, this is not a pissing contest. This is a can-you-piss test because I think your takes don’t reflect your level of education. I can count at least two that I find quite baffling, so I had to ask.
FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
on 30 May 05:27
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Studies can be - and often are - made to show anything. Having family members who work in the research industry I know for a fact, because they would often get approached to do a study to get a particular result. If they refuse, someone who needs the money will gladly do it. It’s the same way that any lawyer can find an “expert” to support their desired position in court.
Like how Elon made it a huge deal himself by publicly telling companies to ‘go fuck yourself’ if they didn’t like it his way?
My point was that no one cared about where their ads showed on Twitter until Elon bought it, and then all of a sudden it was this major issue. It was performative and it was being used to try to blackmail them, that’s why he said what he said.
Nope, this is not a pissing contest.
It was when you thought you could piss higher and further than me ;). Funny that. I find your takes baffling, so I’m asking - what is your level of education?
nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip
on 28 May 20:30
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Non-Westerner that never have or realized alternative platform exist.
Artist that dependant on mainstream social media reach. (some artists already have 100K+ followers there, fedi also have limited reach due to instance blocking, e.g. you’re on Mastodon.art and want to reach Japanese audience (mainly misskey.io, but t was defederated on most of Western instance.)
People with social network bubble outside Westernsphere, they only have exclusively local feed on their Twitter.
People outside Westernsphere that already tried fediverse, but moving back as fediverse is still Western-centric or does not have their own community on feidverse.
Community that does not have monetary power to invest on their own fedi instance.
Some friends of mine also think Twitter just has better content to consume when scrolling through. Too comfy & don’t care enough about who runs it & the issues to jump off. It gives them what they want.
desmosthenes@lemmy.world
on 28 May 20:43
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critical mass probably
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
on 28 May 21:54
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Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 29 May 09:23
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It’s becoming like Facebook, which is were people’s parents, uncles and aunts and even grandparents (as well as technically inept organisations) are, but you yourself either moved on or are too young to have ever wanted to be there (“because nobody my age is there”), only whilst Facebook is merelly a Propaganda outlet for the Far Right, Twitter is openly Nazi.
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Every time i saw a screenshot of these i was really confused why they were still around despite Musk being Musk.
Someone is very mad all their posts kept getting naughty notes!
Wow, not too long after Facebook adopted the same tactic. They chose to drop their previous processes in favor of having their users take care of it.
Sounds like this is just Twitter struggling to run their platform in the wake of a data center fire though.
Oh no, nuance??
Shut it down! Shut it down!
Why would anyone with any hint of common sense “raise questions” about this. There are no questions here.
Because the notes were not removed, they’re just not working due to data center problems right now. Or, at least, that’s enough of a possibility to raise questions.
Working for me now
I’ll take this opportunity to encourage you to limit your Twitter use as much as possible, you know why.
Stopped using it months ago just kept for the occasional work tweet and so no scammer impersonates me
That’s the way
Serious question, why is any non-nazi posting on twitter?
Inertia, at least in some cases. It takes a lot of work to rebuild your audience. Leaving is accelerating, though, albeit slowly.
In other words, the so called “Networking Effects” (which have nothing to do with technical networks and are actually about how “people go were people are, so the more people are in a place the more people go there, the more people are there, the more people go there and so on”) in the business of social networking that made a handful of players dominant, are very hard to revert.
Tech people, especially AI researchers, refuse to leave.
Some people continue to gaslight themselves into thinking there is something to be gained from the audience they once had
Not everyone wants to only see a highly censored echo chamber.
Right so why post on Twitter then?
Because Twitter is the only social media site that isn’t a highly censored echo chamber.
Here you dropped this /s.
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Whose being suppressed, do you have an example?
gizmodo.com/10-times-elon-musk-censored-twitter-u…
Do you think this is hard to find examples for?
Clearly, because even that article is bullshit and couldn’t find 10 despite naming it “Elon Musk, King of Censorship: 10 Times the ‘Free Speech Absolutist’ Silenced Twitter Users” lol
Government ordered takedowns are not Twitter censoring people - it’s the government.
As for “cis” and “cisgender” - they’re considered slurs on there, but they’re not censored. You can go on there and post “cisgender” as much as you want.
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They operate within the law. If a government says you either ban an account in their country or you stop providing your service to the entire country, which do you think X should do? Because those are the options - follow the law or exit the country.
X are challenging the government legal orders in court btw, but in the meantime they have to cooperate. Like I said, the government are the ones censoring free speech here, not X. Do you not see the difference? To operate in a country you need to follow their laws. Not every country has free speech constitutionally guaranteed btw.
This is just too hilarious. The people that are completely out of touch with reality are people like you who say things like this.
Says the guy who actually believes that felon musk doesn’t censor the everliving fuck out of any sort of dissenting view on his privately owned nazi platform.
Just. wow.
But there are “dissenting views” all over X? Pro-Democrat policy and ideology views are not censored. Pro Trans/Palestine/Abortion/every-other-left-wing views are not being censored.
Which views are being censored on X in America? What evidence do you have to support your claim?
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And why are you here?
Based on their username and posts they are here to troll.
Not trolling at all, just have different opinions to the echo chamber.
I don’t understand how I’m even reading your comments… I guess the censor’s sleeping. It is pretty late.
Being factually incorrect is not an opinion. It’s being factually incorrect.
But knock yourself out: X does not censor, Earth is flat, whatever you want to believe…
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Yeah, he’s a really low effort bad faith troll that’s been basically just walking into conversations to sling shit everywhere for months. Not even worth interacting with.
Because I can be. The fact that someone being on here with differing opinions upsets so many people is just a bonus.
cisgender
That’s not censorship. You can still post with that word and it doesn’t get deleted. It just won’t get spread as far and wide. All your followers etc will still see it.
It’s being blocked from being read or seen, as per the definition. They are quite literally censoring a word for political reasons in line with their political agenda. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.
Do you think they should classify the “n word” as a slur and limit its reach? Is that censorship?
Cis isn’t being blocked from being seen or read.
First, don’t fall into the trap of confusing censorship with moderation. Second, don’t confuse the world’s richest man’s sad attempt at fueling culture wars with plain racism.
I used to use Twitter and I know for a fact that it’s literally being limited by not allowing it to be read or seen, appearing under one of those disclaimers at the bottom of a thread that was caught by the filter and in practice functions as a convenient dustbin to silence discourse. And you said it yourself, it’s being treated differently by preventing its diffusion and visibility.
Or tell me, why is a neutral word like cisgender being censored at all? But spare me the gaslighting.
How do you know this? If you can’t see it or read it, how do you know this?
That isn’t censorship.
Again - it’s not being censored. You don’t get posts removed for saying it. You don’t get banned. The term is a controversial one, it’s not “neutral”. “Cisgender” has no need to even exist as a word. You don’t need a word to mean “not trans”, which is 99.99% of the population. The word “transgender” existing negates a need for “cisgender” to exist. “Cisgender” is really only ever used as an insult, which is why it’s treated as such. There’s no word for “not blind”, because not being blind is the default, the standard.
It’s funny you say that. Moderation that removes all differing opinions, and bans people who express them, is censorship. Limiting the reach of posts deemed “hateful”, while not removing them or banning the person posting them, is not censorship.
Because it’s been reported by the news that I cited.
It’s the literal definition. Just because it’s thinly veiled as a moderation measure by a billionaire doesn’t mean that the core concept doesn’t apply. Like I said, don’t confuse it either way.
And like I said, censorship is not only when your content gets removed or you get banned. You can have a similar effect with different mechanisms that effectively render content invisible, and I find it disingenuous of you not to consider that.
Brother, we have created entire fictional languages for less, and have names for concepts you can’t even conceive of. Your argument is fragile. And your monolignualism is showing with those nearsighted takes.
Cisgender has been thrown at Musk and his supporters because they treat it as an insult. Don’t even. lol
It’s most definitely a form of censorship, and I will die on this hill tonight.
From your own source:
Strange censorship that is, letting you say what you want.
I know, strange times we live in where “liberal” words are treated as if they were so dangerous that they need a consent screen. I don’t see that happening to hate speech and you’re here defending this.
I know it doesn’t register in your mind the implications but I don’t expect you to.
Btw, you seem to be defending a company that does this shit:
nbcnews.com/…/elon-musk-x-twitter-antisemitism-ha…
If you say the n word on twitter you get the same message, as you do with other slurs.
A company that relies on ads putting ads in their service? Oh no, the horror…
I love how you reply by pretending that everything I’ve said up to this point hasn’t been said in this thread.
But I love more how you pretend that the contents of the ads being served to millions of users shouldn’t be reviewed for hate speech because the company is turning a profit and that makes it all ok.
Tell me, how old are you and what is your highest level of education? You sound sus as hell with these myopic replies. You really sound like you haven’t experienced life.
More educated than you, I can almost guarantee :). Some people call me Doctor, though I think that should be reserved for science and medicine. What’s yours btw? Degree in gender studies or arts? The lefts obsession with calling everyone they disagree with “uneducated” is so pathetic.
What are you talking about with regards to the contents of the ads? The “issue” that some people pretend to have is that they don’t think ads should be shown near content they deem hateful. It’s not the contents of the ads that people complain about. As for that complaint, only dimwit sees an ad and instantly thinks that the company the ad is for supports whatever views are shared in the same vicinity of it. In reality it was just a way for the left to try and guilt advertisers into leaving Twitter because they were upset that Elon ruined their safe space.
Oh really? I can almost always tell because it’s obvious in breath, depth and consideration shown in of the replies.
I sincerely can’t believe that someone who claims to be on par with a doctor doesn’t even entertain the possibility that the content of an ad could be problematic on a sociological level. And that’s on top of misconstruing the point I was making.
You mean the advertisers of big corporations who care about their brand image don’t like that, right doctor?
Do you think that that article you linked is saying that the content of the ads are “hateful” or “problematic”? That’s not what it’s talking about. It’s talking about showing normal ads near “hateful” content.
They only care when a bunch of idiots pretend that having an ad in the vicinity of something they don’t like means that the brand supports the thing they don’t like. They don’t actually care, they just pretended to so they could essentially blackmail companies into pulling advertising dollars from Twitter so they could try and harm twitter.
Did you not realise that? Did you really think that it was just a coincidence that all of a sudden it became some giant issue just as elon musk bought Twitter?
Love it - when you try to make fun of me when you think I’m “uneducated” and it falls flat on its face because I’m more educated than you, you then try to make fun of me for being more educated than you lol. Amazing.
You also didn’t answer my question, while I answered yours. That’s not very nice. What is your highest level of education and, if it was higher than high school, what was the area?
Studies indicate a link between the ad and its emotionally charged context to viewers. [1] [2] I know that Musk claimed that several times, almost verbatim as you said it, but it’s not exactly true. And I also know because I’ve had that visceral reaction to an ad being ‘misplaced’. I don’t think it’s an empty claim at all, and the company has every right to decide where to show their ads and why.
Like how Elon made it a huge deal himself by publicly telling companies to ‘go fuck yourself’ if they didn’t like it his way?
Nope, this is not a pissing contest. This is a can-you-piss test because I think your takes don’t reflect your level of education. I can count at least two that I find quite baffling, so I had to ask.
Studies can be - and often are - made to show anything. Having family members who work in the research industry I know for a fact, because they would often get approached to do a study to get a particular result. If they refuse, someone who needs the money will gladly do it. It’s the same way that any lawyer can find an “expert” to support their desired position in court.
My point was that no one cared about where their ads showed on Twitter until Elon bought it, and then all of a sudden it was this major issue. It was performative and it was being used to try to blackmail them, that’s why he said what he said.
It was when you thought you could piss higher and further than me ;). Funny that. I find your takes baffling, so I’m asking - what is your level of education?
Thought people would recognize this username and start ignoring them by now. Stop feeding the trolls, kids.
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I love to disagree with things
Need is a strong word
It’s legit applicable for people that have Twitter just for realtime earthquake warning.
At least its applicable for Indonesian users.
For those people they should all contact the government agencies that are still on Twitter and demand they switch to Bluesky.
If people of your country is more likely to use Twitter, moving to Bluesky is not even realistic.
Also, for a lot of countries, moving to Bluesky is like moving from American controlled platform to the same American controlled platform.
I agree with the sentiment, but the action doesn’t do anything to address the immediate issue
Or mastodon.
When is the last time you demanded a government agency do something that wasn’t already their idea, and they did it
Bluesky is not a true alternative. Just recently there were news about them banning opposition accounts in Turkey.
Some friends of mine also think Twitter just has better content to consume when scrolling through. Too comfy & don’t care enough about who runs it & the issues to jump off. It gives them what they want.
critical mass probably
To use community notes
Ok, now that is actually funny. well played!
It’s becoming like Facebook, which is were people’s parents, uncles and aunts and even grandparents (as well as technically inept organisations) are, but you yourself either moved on or are too young to have ever wanted to be there (“because nobody my age is there”), only whilst Facebook is merelly a Propaganda outlet for the Far Right, Twitter is openly Nazi.
If you still use twitter (no, asshole, you don’t get to own a letter of the alphabet - fuck off) then you are part of the problem.
Nobody should use that app. It is a scurge to humanity.
Folks need to make the switch to literally anything else
Oh noes: a private company that has no duty to challenge falsehoods has given up any pretense of giving a fuck.
They asolutely should and likely do have a duty to challenge falsehoods.
The word private makes people feel like it isnt anyone’s business but that isnt the case.
I’d rather “trust” a company that cuts the bullshit with notices like
to remind the user that trusting noncredible information from unreliable sources is a ridiculous concept.
Except for the users presenting shit as facts and it being promoted through their platform.
ban it already