Is Anything Still True? On the Internet, No One Knows Anymore (www.wsj.com)
from L4s@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world on 12 Nov 2023 16:00
https://lemmy.world/post/8159721

Is Anything Still True? On the Internet, No One Knows Anymore::New tools can create fake videos and clone the voices of those closest to us. ‘This is how authoritarianism arises.’

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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Nov 2023 16:13 next collapse

We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false

-Former CIA Director William J. Casey

This has always been the goal of the (dis)information agencies.

They have actually succeeded with a large portion of the American public who, instead of turning to critical thinking and critical reading skills, have just decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater and instead trust random asshats on the internet.

Like, I get it, you can’t trust everything you read from mainstream media, who have billionaire owners who make sure their personal biases show in news coverage and ideas they don’t like are downplayed. That doesn’t mean the most effective solution is to stop listening to them entirely and start listening to entirely random sources with no background. However, that’s the solution many, many Americans have chosen to go with, and that’s effectively what the CIA has been hoping for. They want to be the final arbiters of what is considered “truth” because they don’t want people questioning what they do.

nevemsenki@lemmy.world on 12 Nov 2023 16:20 collapse

Interestingly the USSR disinformation worked exactly the same way.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Nov 2023 16:27 collapse

His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

-From an OSS psychological profile of Adolf Hitler

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

-Joeseph Goebbels

Naturally the common people don’t want war . . . but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or parliament or a communist dictatorship. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

-Hermann Goering

Sounds like Goering was right, then. It seems to be a hallmark of modern disinformation campaigns no matter where they happen: make the public not know who to trust so you can swoop in and be all “you can trust us.”

nevemsenki@lemmy.world on 12 Nov 2023 17:43 collapse

They lost the war but all the sides proceeded to learn from them…

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Nov 2023 17:46 collapse

And they were so right, too. The truth is the enemy of the state. Part of the way the allies won was by the US/UK working together to break German encryption, and then basically lying by omission to the world by never telling anyone about it until about 75 years or so after the war.

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world on 12 Nov 2023 16:51 next collapse

Is Anything Still True?

Something philosophers have been asking for thousands of years pre-internet. It’s just been mainstreamed.

SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 12 Nov 2023 17:12 collapse

Exactly, truth was always based solely on an observers interpretation of events, and since we’re not outside of the universe, but inside of it, we’re not some neutral outside observer.

Manmikey@lemmy.world on 12 Nov 2023 17:45 next collapse

We’ll never know, the article is behind a paywall

zingo@lemmy.ca on 12 Nov 2023 19:47 next collapse

That’s hilarious!

Etienne_Dahu@jlai.lu on 12 Nov 2023 19:51 collapse

The Paywall Street Journal strikes again!

fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com on 13 Nov 2023 02:02 next collapse

Everything gets an upvote, even what isn’t read ¯_ (ツ) _/¯

BrownianMotion@lemmy.world on 13 Nov 2023 04:43 collapse

Add “Bypass Paywalls” app to your browser.

Firefox:

gitlab.com/…/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clean

All Chrome based (and explains howto for Android):

gitlab.com/…/bypass-paywalls-chrome-clean

IOS:

gitlab.com/…/bypass-paywalls-clean-filters

rob299@lemmy.world on 12 Nov 2023 23:21 collapse

and- no one will ever know if the article is paywalled. No wonder people don’t know anymore.