voracitude@lemmy.world
on 24 May 2024 23:42
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On the one hand, generative AI doesn’t have to give deterministic answers i.e. it won’t necessarily generate the same answer even when asked the same question in the same way.
But on the other hand, editing the HTML of any page to say whatever you want and then taking a screenshot of it is very easy.
Just because you click on it that doesn’t make it accurate. More importantly, that text isn’t “clickable”, so they can’t be measuring raw engagement either.
IllNess@infosec.pub
on 25 May 2024 02:37
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What this would measure is how long you would stay on the page without scrolling. Less scrolling means more time looking at ads.
This is the influence of Prabhakar Raghavan.
RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 14:57
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Just because you click on it that doesn’t make it accurate.
Given the choice between clicks/engagement and accuracy, is pretty clear Google’s for the former is what got us into this hell hole.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 26 May 2024 14:05
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Yup, if you have to repeat your search 3 times, you’re seeing 3x the ads. If you control most of the market, where are your customers going to go? Most will just deal with it and search more.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 04:35
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Google runs passive A/B testing all the time.
If you’re using a Google service there’s a 99% chance you’re part of some sort of internal test of changes.
Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 03:55
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There are actually a bunch of these. Adding glue to pizza sauce (scraped from an old reddit post), replacing Blinker Fluid every two years, etc.
QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 05:01
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Technically, generative AI will always give the same answer when given the same input. But, what happens is a “seed” is mixed in to help randomize things, that way it can give different answers every time even if you ask it the same question.
Technically they still are, but since you don’t have a hand on the seed, practically they are not.
QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world
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OK, but we’re discussing whether computers are “reliable, predictable, idempotent”. Statements like this about computers are generally made when discussing the internal workings of a computer among developers or at even lower levels among computer engineers and such.
This isn’t something you would say at a higher level for end-users because there are any number of reasons why an application can spit out different outputs even when seemingly given the “same input”.
And while I could point out that Llama.cpp is open source (so you could just go in and test this by forcing the same seed every time…) it doesn’t matter because your statement effectively boils down to something like this:
“I clicked the button (input) for the random number generator and got a different number (output) every time, thus computers are not reliable or predictable!”
If you wanted to make a better argument about computers not always being reliable/predictable, you’re better off pointing at how radiation can flip bits in our electronics (which is one reason why we have implemented checksums and other tools to verify that information hasn’t been altered over time or in transition). Take, for instance, the example of what happened to some voting machines in Belgium in 2003:
businessinsider.com/cosmic-rays-harm-computers-sm…
Anyway, thanks if you read this far, I enjoy discussing things like this.
You are taking all my words way too strictly as to what I intended :)
It was more along the line :
Me, a computer user, up until now, I could (more or less) expect the tool (software/website) I use in a relative consistant maner (be it reproducing a crash following some actions). Doing the same thing twice would (mostly) get me the same result/behaviour. For instance, an Excel feature applied on a given data should behave the same next time I show it to a friend. Or I found a result on Google by typing a given query, I hopefully will find that website again easily enough with that same query (even though it might have ranked up or down a little).
It’s not strictly “reliable, predictable, idempotent”, but consistent enough that people (users) will say it is.
But with those tools (ie: chatGPT), you get an answer, but are unable to get back that initial answer with the same initial query, and it basically makes it impossible to get that same* output because you have no hand on the seed.
The random generator is a bit streached, you expect it to be different, it’s by design. As a user, you expect the LLM to give you the correct answer, but it’s actually never the same* answer.
*and here I mean same as “it might be worded differently, but the meaning is close to similar as previous answer”. Just like if you ask a question twice to someone, he won’t use the exact same wording, but will essentially says the same thing. Which is something those tools (or rather “end users services”) do not give me. Which is what I wanted to point out in much fewer words :)
kokesh@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 06:20
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When you do this query, won’t you get the same?
thegreatgarbo@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 20:49
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If you read the arstechnica article Google is correcting these errors on the fly so the search results can change rapidly.
RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 07:26
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I too am skeptical, but there have been so many of these the last few days… is it just a new meme?
Infynis@midwest.social
on 25 May 2024 00:29
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I asked Google for the release date of the new Final Fantasy XIV expansion today, which comes out June 28th. It told me March 26th
mynachmadarch@kbin.social
on 25 May 2024 03:34
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I'm pretty sure March 26 is the day the pre-order started, so that one at least kind of makes sense.
andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun
on 25 May 2024 20:48
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But not from a knowledge engine. It makes sense if some rando just spouted off a date from the top of their head but this is the former world leader in knowledge capture and search.
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 01:15
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Will, it’s not wrong. Welcome to the AI powered world of tomorrow.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 05:20
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See the Republicans do sport the disadvantaged. They support the idiots, the greatest disability of them all.
PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com
on 25 May 2024 02:43
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This is amazing
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml
on 25 May 2024 02:58
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I spent most of today looking at places to rent in Denver and I come home to Google having killed it’s fucking search engine. What the hell is going on
jennwiththesea@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 05:52
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That’s what you get for trying to have a real life.
cows_are_underrated@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 May 2024 08:17
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How does je dare to.
DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml
on 25 May 2024 14:22
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Google decided that the entirety of reddit is perfect for training data in their AI LLM. People’s shitposts from 10 years ago have now been given the spotlight at the top of google searches.
laxe@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 02:59
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They lost it a long time ago
Wanangwa_Bamidele@thelemmy.club
on 25 May 2024 03:59
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yo, did you modify the html page to make this meme ?
ArcticAmphibian@lemmus.org
on 25 May 2024 05:48
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Nope. Google trained the model it’s using for search results off of Reddit, etc. junk data and expected it to be coherent.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
on 25 May 2024 07:40
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I wonder if they considered reddit votes to try to give more weight to high quality answers but also high quality jokes.
But without votes pure nonsense becomes equal to truth.
Humans could use reddit because we understand the site enough to be able to filter the valuable from the bad.
I feel like the answer would be in between ai specifically to be such a filter.
Every such post of google failing i have screen capped and then asked chatgpt for a more detailed explanation to do what google suggests i do. Everytime it managed to call out the issues. So just allowing an ai to proofread its response in context of the question could stop a lot of hallucinations.
But its at least 3 times as slow and expensive if it needs to change its first response.
But i guess doing things properly isnt profitable , better to just rush tech and kill your most famous product.
People upvote stupid stuff as well though. Because humans understand humor, irony, and satire.
The AI is like those people that need /s to be able to work it out. If it’s missing they erroneously take everything as serious.
cows_are_underrated@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 May 2024 08:21
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That’s what he mentioned. High quality content and high quality shitposts as the result.
admin@lemmy.my-box.dev
on 25 May 2024 08:46
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Counter point: Poe’s law.
ulterno@lemmy.kde.social
on 25 May 2024 08:50
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Everyone who wants more of that, stop adding “/s” to your posts.
Even better, start using /s for serious instead
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
on 25 May 2024 11:25
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Speaking as an autist for the entire autistic community.
PLEASE DONT
What have i set in motion :o
stellargmite@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 05:50
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As a long time google despiser and someone who almost puked when I was involuntarily subjected to the trailer for that terrible looking movie, this is fantastic.
Edit: forgot to mention a further box is ticked as someone fascinated but horrified with the corporate failures of Boeing.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 07:37
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The fall guy is pretty damn good. Great actual stunts in it too.
stellargmite@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 08:22
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They fooled me into thinking it was likely to be terrible with their ad / trailer in that case. I’ll give it a go sometime when time. Or were you sent by google to make up for their bad AI ? ;) are you good AI guy ?
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 21:25
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I see a lot of films and am usually more forgiving than most since I have one of those unlimited cards that lets me see any amount of movies for a monthly fee so if i see a bad one they’re usually just a drop in the ocean. I’ll just see a good film next week, sort of thing.
That being said though, Fall Guy did stand out more than others for me. I really like films that showcase their choreography and Stunts. And for me this is the best one since the original John wick and Nobody in those regards. No quick jump cuts. Lots of wide shots and whatnot. My kind of thing, so I ate it all up.
SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works
on 25 May 2024 07:50
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AI and its consequences have been a disaster for Google.
masterofn001@lemmy.ca
on 25 May 2024 15:04
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I don’t get the doom but idk I have been watching this stuff closely for over a decade. I think it’s exciting and people are having All these strange expectations out of these systems all the sudden just because they’re smart. Well they were smart before any of this generative AI stuff. Also scientific breakthroughs in medicine, blind people have something that can assist them. As someone with some disabilities, and knowing a lot of people who also have disabilities, it seems to be the privilege of the healthy and comfortable to keep the status quo.
Also if we want to play that game we were so fucked by climate change already that I had no hope. Now I have a little. It’s not going away so let’s push for open open open free software. (And model weights)
vimdiesel@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 19:00
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we aren’t talking about using it to -benefit- human society like discovering new proteins or vaccines. We’re talking about it fucking up search results on google and generating billions of new sites with fucking spam. It’s a tool, but it’s being completely misused and ruining the internet.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 May 2024 08:26
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I stopped using Google years ago. I started using Bing but had to stop that as it would divert me to MSN to sign in when clicking a link for a news article. Like a news article for The Independent or The Times or any other.
I then started using DuckDuckGo which is powered by Bing, but found it wasn’t great at many searches.
I now use Arc Search most of the time and click browse for me to get the information I want without the bullshit. Search is essentially dead due to greed.
alyth@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 08:31
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this is the first i hear of Arc, is it available as an iOS app only?
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 May 2024 08:40
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Seems to only have an iOS app right now. There is a desktop version for Windows and MacOS Here.
It is annoying that it wants to send you the download link by email though.
Edit: Here is an example of how the results look when asking for opening times of a book store in my city.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 May 2024 09:50
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Thanks. I’ll check these out.
What do you prefer about each of them?
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 10:09
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Startpage uses outside search results, but should be very secure like DuckDuckGo, and better certified.
Qwant is AFAIK more independent, and I like the layout better.
Both give pretty good search results IMO, but are somewhat lacking in map/geographic searches. For instance searching “Angola” could result in a restaurant in London. Just as a hypothetical example.
So I do use Google maps too.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de
on 25 May 2024 10:10
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Thanks for sharing he extra info.
vimdiesel@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 19:05
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qwant = 95% bing results, startpage = 98% google results. They are slimmer. They don’t keep your search history or ip address. better for privacy but not much better for search results.
exanime@lemmy.today
on 25 May 2024 12:06
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Tried start page after DDG outage on Thursday and I’m liking it a lot
I used Qwant for a few days and then it popped up a modal dialog asking me to turn off my ad-blocker. Never used it again after that.
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 17:28
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Funny I’ve never seen that, but I switch around from time to time. Because none are perfect unfortunately.
vimdiesel@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 19:03
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kagi is the best but it will cost you $10 a month. It’s been worth it to me, but probably not to everyone.
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 22:19
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Interesting concept, but it’s a bit expensive IMO, considering the huge amount of “free” options.
The pricing is only in USD without taxes. Listing the price excluding tax is illegal here (Denmark and I think the rest of EU), so apparently not a service meant for use outside USA.
Ad free is not a problem for me, i use Firefox with µBlock Origin.
vimdiesel@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 19:02
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qwant uses bing and is mostly a proxy for it. Startpage is a proxy for google. the only thing they really do is protect your privacy, they don’t give you better search results.
Buffalox@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 22:31
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That’s a bit disappointing, I thought Qwant had their own search. I know startpage used Google originally, but I wasn’t sure if they still did.
psycho_driver@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 10:01
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I’m finding SearXNG to be very good. It operates like dogpile used to but is actually functional and it pretty much entirely squelches product placement results. I actually have to manually go to google if I want to get product listings for something.
NewDay@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 08:58
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It’s right in German. English version has more problems i guess
onewaymars@lemm.ee
on 25 May 2024 10:22
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lmao not prepared for this comedy from google
AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com
on 25 May 2024 11:47
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What the hell is going on with Google search? Has it completely shit itself after the AI implementation? I know its been bad for a while but this is another level.
Short answer, yes. The ratio of LLM generated noise to actual content is increasing exponentially as we speak. To us it seems overnight because the increase is so steep but it’s been happening for several years. And it’s going to get a lot worse.
Honestly, I think we’ll have to go back to 90s methods like web rings and human curated link directories.
masterofn001@lemmy.ca
on 25 May 2024 15:02
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I remember having to buy a book.
A book with URLs.
Before search engines existed.
Good times.
On Google: I’ll never forgive them for getting rid of their pseudo secret government search google.com/unclesam where I found a lot of .mil docs I probably shouldn’t have been able to.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 25 May 2024 16:00
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Why do you say this existed? :(
Now I am sad I didnt know about it earlier…
PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com
on 25 May 2024 15:13
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I do random hobby tinkering and search results have become so useless that I’m having to read a lot more books. Everything takes longer this way.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
on 26 May 2024 14:01
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This is why I love Duckduckgo, I can turn off AI and ads.
fne8w2ah@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 11:53
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Did somebody say enshittification?
feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 17:44
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Everyone, constantly.
NutWrench@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 12:04
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Behold the wonders of AI! Now, we don’t have to pay human beings to edit webpages for us! Thanks to AI, you can just sit back and watch the money roll in!
RGB3x3@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 12:11
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Google has been bad for a long time, but they’ve shut the bed so hard lately. Seriously, look at this:
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
on 25 May 2024 18:28
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No idea how fast they want to roll it out globally.
But by the recent track record I’d wager they are doing it rather fast than slow.
Sidyctism@feddit.de
on 25 May 2024 17:35
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Thats because LLMs have a certain level of randomisation built in. You wont always get the same result for any given inquiry
vimdiesel@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:45
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I literally don’t see any AI blurbs at all in my searches. I wonder if one of my 4 ad blockers is killing the javascript element.
chokokooki@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 19:31
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I get the same description, but when on desktop it’s in the ‘about’ section that appears on the right side of the results, so a different spot than in the OP’s image.
Haven’t tried recreating any of the other flops yet though haha.
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk
on 25 May 2024 20:23
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I got exactly the same. Firefox on android and in the UK. Perhaps it’s regional.
They’ll only cancel it after it actually works and becomes useful
unreasonabro@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 16:46
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The reason they don’t have it any more is cuz they sold it. Or fired it…
fossilesque@mander.xyz
on 25 May 2024 17:33
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I like to use the Void from r/place as a metaphor for the Internet’s gremlins. Google has called to the void, didn’t bother to filter it and isn’t happy with what it found. To me that signals that Google no longer understands internet culture.
Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca
on 25 May 2024 18:35
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Nepo babies don’t understand anything.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz
on 25 May 2024 17:57
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We really need a whole community just for the very funny AI errors like this. I could spend all day reading about leaving a dog in a hot car, jumping off a bridge and eating at least one rock a day.
silasmariner@programming.dev
on 25 May 2024 19:04
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And I’d be thrilled if that material were quarantined somewhere 😅
We have not even come close to over saturation yet. Now once we have AI making mistakes about AI past mistakes being used for a meme about AI mistakes then you will be on the money.
silasmariner@programming.dev
on 26 May 2024 09:03
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Honestly by that point I’ll probably be back into it
Chip_Rat@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 20:19
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Great content isn’t necessarily everyone’s prefered content. Having it all in one place helps people who want to see it see it and people who don’t don’t have to. Win win.
bamfic@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:02
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Google had a stroke
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:38
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More like theyre throwing it away.
vimdiesel@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 18:42
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how do you guys get these things? I never see any summaries like that. I wonder if one of my adblockers is killing google AI lmao. Do you have to be logged into your google account? I never log into google any more.
suction@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 19:50
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It’s probably fake
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone
on 25 May 2024 19:54
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I just Googled “Fall Guy” and the AI response doesn’t match the OP. I was shown a summary of the movie.
suction@lemmy.world
on 25 May 2024 19:57
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Yeah Reddit, Lemmy, 4chan and all these meme platforms aren’t exactly trustworthy, because to get the upvotes you have to cater to the “omg that’s hilarious” dummies who are looking for quick fixes for their uneducated hunger for hedonist distractions
SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 02:50
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You have to type “Fall Guy series” to get the result. The result from “Fall Guy” is about the movie and that’s a normal response.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world
on 26 May 2024 03:47
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Maybe they know something we don’t know? What if: It will be a crime series following the “Fall guy” case, man who was a Boeing whistleblower and got sucked out of the fuselage mid flight. Was it the usual door falling off, or was it a murder? Maybe it is being filmed right now and Google leaked the information?
ThiefUserPermissions@lemmy.myserv.one
on 28 May 2024 08:02
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So weird, that's not what I see.
On the one hand, generative AI doesn’t have to give deterministic answers i.e. it won’t necessarily generate the same answer even when asked the same question in the same way.
But on the other hand, editing the HTML of any page to say whatever you want and then taking a screenshot of it is very easy.
It could also be A/B testing, so not everyone will have the AI running in general
It’s not A/B testing if they aren’t getting feedback.
Wouldn’t they be? They could measure how likely it is that someone clicks on the generated link/text
Just because you click on it that doesn’t make it accurate. More importantly, that text isn’t “clickable”, so they can’t be measuring raw engagement either.
What this would measure is how long you would stay on the page without scrolling. Less scrolling means more time looking at ads.
This is the influence of Prabhakar Raghavan.
Given the choice between clicks/engagement and accuracy, is pretty clear Google’s for the former is what got us into this hell hole.
Yup, if you have to repeat your search 3 times, you’re seeing 3x the ads. If you control most of the market, where are your customers going to go? Most will just deal with it and search more.
Google runs passive A/B testing all the time.
If you’re using a Google service there’s a 99% chance you’re part of some sort of internal test of changes.
There are actually a bunch of these. Adding glue to pizza sauce (scraped from an old reddit post), replacing Blinker Fluid every two years, etc.
arstechnica.com/…/googles-ai-overview-can-give-fa…
Technically, generative AI will always give the same answer when given the same input. But, what happens is a “seed” is mixed in to help randomize things, that way it can give different answers every time even if you ask it the same question.
What happened to my computers being reliable, predictable, idempotent ? :'(
They still are. Giving a generative AI the same input and the same seed results in the same output every time.
Technically they still are, but since you don’t have a hand on the seed, practically they are not.
OK, but we’re discussing whether computers are “reliable, predictable, idempotent”. Statements like this about computers are generally made when discussing the internal workings of a computer among developers or at even lower levels among computer engineers and such.
This isn’t something you would say at a higher level for end-users because there are any number of reasons why an application can spit out different outputs even when seemingly given the “same input”.
And while I could point out that Llama.cpp is open source (so you could just go in and test this by forcing the same seed every time…) it doesn’t matter because your statement effectively boils down to something like this:
“I clicked the button (input) for the random number generator and got a different number (output) every time, thus computers are not reliable or predictable!”
If you wanted to make a better argument about computers not always being reliable/predictable, you’re better off pointing at how radiation can flip bits in our electronics (which is one reason why we have implemented checksums and other tools to verify that information hasn’t been altered over time or in transition). Take, for instance, the example of what happened to some voting machines in Belgium in 2003: businessinsider.com/cosmic-rays-harm-computers-sm…
Anyway, thanks if you read this far, I enjoy discussing things like this.
You are taking all my words way too strictly as to what I intended :)
It was more along the line : Me, a computer user, up until now, I could (more or less) expect the tool (software/website) I use in a relative consistant maner (be it reproducing a crash following some actions). Doing the same thing twice would (mostly) get me the same result/behaviour. For instance, an Excel feature applied on a given data should behave the same next time I show it to a friend. Or I found a result on Google by typing a given query, I hopefully will find that website again easily enough with that same query (even though it might have ranked up or down a little).
It’s not strictly “reliable, predictable, idempotent”, but consistent enough that people (users) will say it is.
But with those tools (ie: chatGPT), you get an answer, but are unable to get back that initial answer with the same initial query, and it basically makes it impossible to get that same* output because you have no hand on the seed.
The random generator is a bit streached, you expect it to be different, it’s by design. As a user, you expect the LLM to give you the correct answer, but it’s actually never the same* answer.
*and here I mean same as “it might be worded differently, but the meaning is close to similar as previous answer”. Just like if you ask a question twice to someone, he won’t use the exact same wording, but will essentially says the same thing. Which is something those tools (or rather “end users services”) do not give me. Which is what I wanted to point out in much fewer words :)
When you do this query, won’t you get the same?
If you read the arstechnica article Google is correcting these errors on the fly so the search results can change rapidly.
I too am skeptical, but there have been so many of these the last few days… is it just a new meme?
@RecursiveParadox @voracitude it absolutely has become a meme, there are (or were) a bunch of repeatable results.
Google is probably whack-a-mole'ing them now, because "google's AI search results are trying to kill people" has entered the collective consciousness.
I have no doubt some of their AI answers have antivax and injecting bleach recommendations from all over the web as part of their training regime.
I saw this a few days ago too when I went to see the film and wanted to check who some people were in the film.
There for me <img alt="" src="https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/f0f9fc0e-15ff-4d03-ae17-856e8c3d4a3f.png">
Yup me too 🫡
Zoop
👉😎👉 Zoop!
Me too. But a different person on my same network got a clean result.
A/B testing moment
It’s, uh, not what I remember.
- old
Works on my machine.
Oh perfect. We’ll just point production to your machine.
filter bubble
I see it.
Same <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/2ca745cf-cc4f-471c-8017-ed154201c02b.jpeg">
But the real question is, is the colour blue that you see, the colour blue that I see?
what the heck's the second picture
The lady? She was in the original series. My brother loved that show so I had to watch it if I was watching tv at that time
The Fall Guy tv show from the 80’s.
Guy
The first picture shows Fall, the second shows Guy.
<img alt="" src="https://y.yarn.co/96b749d9-3268-4274-96ae-62c5ff3470b8_text.gif">
I asked Google for the release date of the new Final Fantasy XIV expansion today, which comes out June 28th. It told me March 26th
I'm pretty sure March 26 is the day the pre-order started, so that one at least kind of makes sense.
But not from a knowledge engine. It makes sense if some rando just spouted off a date from the top of their head but this is the former world leader in knowledge capture and search.
Will, it’s not wrong. Welcome to the AI powered world of tomorrow.
the free version is stuck with an IQ of 53.
That’s low end of average for a human. A particularly dim human admittedly, but we’ve all met them.
Never the less, these dim-witted humans can aspire to greatness. See Forrest Gump and Donald Trump.
See the Republicans do sport the disadvantaged. They support the idiots, the greatest disability of them all.
This is amazing
I spent most of today looking at places to rent in Denver and I come home to Google having killed it’s fucking search engine. What the hell is going on
That’s what you get for trying to have a real life.
How does je dare to.
Google decided that the entirety of reddit is perfect for training data in their AI LLM. People’s shitposts from 10 years ago have now been given the spotlight at the top of google searches.
They lost it a long time ago
yo, did you modify the html page to make this meme ?
Nope. Google trained the model it’s using for search results off of Reddit, etc. junk data and expected it to be coherent.
I wonder if they considered reddit votes to try to give more weight to high quality answers but also high quality jokes.
But without votes pure nonsense becomes equal to truth.
Humans could use reddit because we understand the site enough to be able to filter the valuable from the bad.
I feel like the answer would be in between ai specifically to be such a filter.
Every such post of google failing i have screen capped and then asked chatgpt for a more detailed explanation to do what google suggests i do. Everytime it managed to call out the issues. So just allowing an ai to proofread its response in context of the question could stop a lot of hallucinations.
But its at least 3 times as slow and expensive if it needs to change its first response.
But i guess doing things properly isnt profitable , better to just rush tech and kill your most famous product.
People upvote stupid stuff as well though. Because humans understand humor, irony, and satire.
The AI is like those people that need /s to be able to work it out. If it’s missing they erroneously take everything as serious.
That’s what he mentioned. High quality content and high quality shitposts as the result.
Counter point: Poe’s law.
Everyone who wants more of that, stop adding “/s” to your posts.
Even better, start using /s for serious instead
Speaking as an autist for the entire autistic community.
PLEASE DONT
What have i set in motion :o
As a long time google despiser and someone who almost puked when I was involuntarily subjected to the trailer for that terrible looking movie, this is fantastic.
Edit: forgot to mention a further box is ticked as someone fascinated but horrified with the corporate failures of Boeing.
The fall guy is pretty damn good. Great actual stunts in it too.
They fooled me into thinking it was likely to be terrible with their ad / trailer in that case. I’ll give it a go sometime when time. Or were you sent by google to make up for their bad AI ? ;) are you good AI guy ?
I see a lot of films and am usually more forgiving than most since I have one of those unlimited cards that lets me see any amount of movies for a monthly fee so if i see a bad one they’re usually just a drop in the ocean. I’ll just see a good film next week, sort of thing.
That being said though, Fall Guy did stand out more than others for me. I really like films that showcase their choreography and Stunts. And for me this is the best one since the original John wick and Nobody in those regards. No quick jump cuts. Lots of wide shots and whatnot. My kind of thing, so I ate it all up.
AI and its consequences have been a disaster for Google.
… a disaster for
Googlehumanity.I don’t get the doom but idk I have been watching this stuff closely for over a decade. I think it’s exciting and people are having All these strange expectations out of these systems all the sudden just because they’re smart. Well they were smart before any of this generative AI stuff. Also scientific breakthroughs in medicine, blind people have something that can assist them. As someone with some disabilities, and knowing a lot of people who also have disabilities, it seems to be the privilege of the healthy and comfortable to keep the status quo.
Also if we want to play that game we were so fucked by climate change already that I had no hope. Now I have a little. It’s not going away so let’s push for open open open free software. (And model weights)
we aren’t talking about using it to -benefit- human society like discovering new proteins or vaccines. We’re talking about it fucking up search results on google and generating billions of new sites with fucking spam. It’s a tool, but it’s being completely misused and ruining the internet.
I stopped using Google years ago. I started using Bing but had to stop that as it would divert me to MSN to sign in when clicking a link for a news article. Like a news article for The Independent or The Times or any other.
I then started using DuckDuckGo which is powered by Bing, but found it wasn’t great at many searches.
I now use Arc Search most of the time and click browse for me to get the information I want without the bullshit. Search is essentially dead due to greed.
this is the first i hear of Arc, is it available as an iOS app only?
Seems to only have an iOS app right now. There is a desktop version for Windows and MacOS Here.
It is annoying that it wants to send you the download link by email though.
Edit: Here is an example of how the results look when asking for opening times of a book store in my city.
That looks clean, thanks for posting the screenshot!
Anytime. This is what search should be. You shouldn’t have to click into links for such simple information.
Startpage and Qwant are the best alternatives IMO.
www.qwant.com
www.startpage.com
Thanks. I’ll check these out.
What do you prefer about each of them?
Startpage uses outside search results, but should be very secure like DuckDuckGo, and better certified.
Qwant is AFAIK more independent, and I like the layout better.
Both give pretty good search results IMO, but are somewhat lacking in map/geographic searches. For instance searching “Angola” could result in a restaurant in London. Just as a hypothetical example.
So I do use Google maps too.
Thanks for sharing he extra info.
qwant = 95% bing results, startpage = 98% google results. They are slimmer. They don’t keep your search history or ip address. better for privacy but not much better for search results.
Tried start page after DDG outage on Thursday and I’m liking it a lot
Start page was out too afaik
Nope I tried it precisely when DDG was out and it was working… Images were not so those may have come from Bing… But regular searches were working
Weird, it was out when I tried it
Well they official word is that it was intermittent… Maybe I just got lucky when testing
it shouldn’t have been because they return google search results and not bing
I used Qwant for a few days and then it popped up a modal dialog asking me to turn off my ad-blocker. Never used it again after that.
Funny I’ve never seen that, but I switch around from time to time. Because none are perfect unfortunately.
kagi is the best but it will cost you $10 a month. It’s been worth it to me, but probably not to everyone.
Interesting concept, but it’s a bit expensive IMO, considering the huge amount of “free” options.
The pricing is only in USD without taxes. Listing the price excluding tax is illegal here (Denmark and I think the rest of EU), so apparently not a service meant for use outside USA.
Ad free is not a problem for me, i use Firefox with µBlock Origin.
qwant uses bing and is mostly a proxy for it. Startpage is a proxy for google. the only thing they really do is protect your privacy, they don’t give you better search results.
That’s a bit disappointing, I thought Qwant had their own search. I know startpage used Google originally, but I wasn’t sure if they still did.
I’m finding SearXNG to be very good. It operates like dogpile used to but is actually functional and it pretty much entirely squelches product placement results. I actually have to manually go to google if I want to get product listings for something.
It’s right in German. English version has more problems i guess
lmao not prepared for this comedy from google
What the hell is going on with Google search? Has it completely shit itself after the AI implementation? I know its been bad for a while but this is another level.
Short answer, yes. The ratio of LLM generated noise to actual content is increasing exponentially as we speak. To us it seems overnight because the increase is so steep but it’s been happening for several years. And it’s going to get a lot worse.
Honestly, I think we’ll have to go back to 90s methods like web rings and human curated link directories.
I remember having to buy a book. A book with URLs. Before search engines existed.
Good times.
On Google: I’ll never forgive them for getting rid of their pseudo secret government search google.com/unclesam where I found a lot of .mil docs I probably shouldn’t have been able to.
Why do you say this existed? :(
Now I am sad I didnt know about it earlier…
I do random hobby tinkering and search results have become so useless that I’m having to read a lot more books. Everything takes longer this way.
This is why I love Duckduckgo, I can turn off AI and ads.
Did somebody say enshittification?
Everyone, constantly.
Behold the wonders of AI! Now, we don’t have to pay human beings to edit webpages for us! Thanks to AI, you can just sit back and watch the money roll in!
Google has been bad for a long time, but they’ve shut the bed so hard lately. Seriously, look at this:
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8dafac0a-6450-4a80-b44e-712dc6dbe280.png">
I actually run out of screenshot space before I can get to an actual regular search result!
Bing has a similar problem where it just repeats the results, some pages are only 1 result so you just keep clicking next
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/59ad5725-2c5e-4be6-956f-e2537b8cfca1.png"> Search done from Germany.
The mobile search doesnt look much different. The order on mobile is as follows:
Both are Firefox Desktop (Win) and Mobile (Android) running Consent-O-Matic and ublock Origin
Similar results from Spain. Not sure why it thinks I’m in Michigan.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/15e35da8-5aa3-4d15-91e4-3748cc8cacd4.jpeg">
are you using a VPN? turned off location settings?
No and yes. Still not sure why such a random US state though
Well, Flint, Michigan had a high profile water issue, so it might be guessing location based on the question.
It shows the exact same results in Brazil
What’re you talking about? Every one of those results are potential answers to your question.
Unusable.
“Take a look at yourself cause that is what you need to do, 'cause the only problem in this room is about you, 'cause you’re a liar”
-Silia Kapsis, 2024
Nobody mentioned udm14.com ?
ooo! I knew about having to select the ‘Web’ option but this saves that step! Thank you!
It’s time to return to human curated directories.
Do you know if there are any active ones? Hopefully categorized according to genre, geography, language etc?
Nope, been thinking about what it would take to make one though.
Can’t recreate this. Or any of the other AI flops people keep posting
I read somewhere they rolled it out to the US only and more countries are for now on the yet-to-do list aka soon™
I’m in the US and opted into the beta for the AI stuff, but so far my experience has been generally positive.
I’m in Sweden and didn’t opt-in for anything.
No idea how fast they want to roll it out globally.
But by the recent track record I’d wager they are doing it rather fast than slow.
Thats because LLMs have a certain level of randomisation built in. You wont always get the same result for any given inquiry
I literally don’t see any AI blurbs at all in my searches. I wonder if one of my 4 ad blockers is killing the javascript element.
I get the same description, but when on desktop it’s in the ‘about’ section that appears on the right side of the results, so a different spot than in the OP’s image. Haven’t tried recreating any of the other flops yet though haha.
I got exactly the same. Firefox on android and in the UK. Perhaps it’s regional.
Well, we know Google won’t get rid of this.
They’ll only cancel it after it actually works and becomes useful
The reason they don’t have it any more is cuz they sold it. Or fired it…
I like to use the Void from r/place as a metaphor for the Internet’s gremlins. Google has called to the void, didn’t bother to filter it and isn’t happy with what it found. To me that signals that Google no longer understands internet culture.
Nepo babies don’t understand anything.
We really need a whole community just for the very funny AI errors like this. I could spend all day reading about leaving a dog in a hot car, jumping off a bridge and eating at least one rock a day.
And I’d be thrilled if that material were quarantined somewhere 😅
Why? this is great content.
Oversaturation from the presentation format
We have not even come close to over saturation yet. Now once we have AI making mistakes about AI past mistakes being used for a meme about AI mistakes then you will be on the money.
Honestly by that point I’ll probably be back into it
Great content isn’t necessarily everyone’s prefered content. Having it all in one place helps people who want to see it see it and people who don’t don’t have to. Win win.
Google had a stroke
More like theyre throwing it away.
how do you guys get these things? I never see any summaries like that. I wonder if one of my adblockers is killing google AI lmao. Do you have to be logged into your google account? I never log into google any more.
It’s probably fake
I just Googled “Fall Guy” and the AI response doesn’t match the OP. I was shown a summary of the movie.
Yeah Reddit, Lemmy, 4chan and all these meme platforms aren’t exactly trustworthy, because to get the upvotes you have to cater to the “omg that’s hilarious” dummies who are looking for quick fixes for their uneducated hunger for hedonist distractions
You have to type “Fall Guy series” to get the result. The result from “Fall Guy” is about the movie and that’s a normal response.
<img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/91eae887-3c05-498f-b0db-d21dc8e258fa.jpeg">
I just got the same result
I just searched the same words and got the same text.
not fake.
.
Google: “You wanted words? Here are some words!”
Maybe they know something we don’t know? What if: It will be a crime series following the “Fall guy” case, man who was a Boeing whistleblower and got sucked out of the fuselage mid flight. Was it the usual door falling off, or was it a murder? Maybe it is being filmed right now and Google leaked the information?
Hilarious
I kinda like the new google. It’s strong and wrong and doesn’t afraid of anything.