Meta and Microsoft say they will buy AMD's new AI chip as an alternative to Nvidia's (www.cnbc.com)
from misk@sopuli.xyz to technology@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2023 06:44
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Thcdenton@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2023 07:03 next collapse

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odium@programming.dev on 07 Dec 2023 07:26 collapse

Who is that for? I would like to give the middle finger to 75% of those companies.

Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip on 07 Dec 2023 07:29 next collapse

linus torvalds(linux kernel) response to nvidia (who consistently treats linux as a nobody for consumers)

Shadywack@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2023 13:25 collapse

It’s far worse than just simply ignoring what their users and customers want.

Nvidia makes a shit ton of money off of Linux. Between what their Tegra chips were sold for and their data center products being used on Linux (most recently in the AI space), their company is practically built in its success in using Linux for all their backend and supercomputing research.

They are literally as successful as they are, from using Linux themselves, but they treat the community like shit. They take take take, and then they go and shit on the front lawn.

Their senior leadership is ethically bankrupt trash and can go fuck themselves.

bruhduh@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2023 19:13 collapse

Nvidia and Linux = Apple and open source, literary same story

NateNate60@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2023 08:20 collapse

This is Linus Torvalds, creator, namesake, and supreme dictator of the Linux kernel. It’s from a video of him talking about his frustrations in working with NVIDIA. Essentially, NVIDIA treats Linux like a second-class citizen and its components don’t play nicely with the rest of the Linux code base. In this scene, Torvalds shows his middle finger and says “NVIDIA, fuck you!”.

Tosti@feddit.nl on 07 Dec 2023 07:54 next collapse

Large companies that are themselves (near) monopolies see the risk of only having one supplier. This should be evident to all spectators.

MustrumR@kbin.social on 07 Dec 2023 08:23 next collapse

Nuh, free markut regulgates itself. Smol govment only way (except for suppressing the minorities).

stevehobbes@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2023 14:38 collapse

I mean, this is kinda the free market at work? Nvidia built and dominated a market, and AMD and Intel are pouring billions in to give people an alternative which will drive prices down?

DarkThoughts@kbin.social on 07 Dec 2023 10:30 collapse

True, but this will also help boost alternatives to nvidia for consumers too I'd wager, and with that probably also better Linux support along with it.

darkevilmac@lemmy.zip on 07 Dec 2023 08:05 next collapse

Took long enough - at a certain point Nvidia’s pricing just to get CUDA doesn’t make sense when compared to the cost of just investing in ROCm and OneAPI.

All they had to do was find the right balance, but apparently they decided to see how much money the printer could make…

realharo@lemm.ee on 07 Dec 2023 08:17 collapse

I keep hearing how good AI is at coding these days, why can’t they just use it to rewrite all the model and library code up to full AMD support?

/s

aniki@lemm.ee on 07 Dec 2023 12:13 next collapse

I would kill to run my models on my own AMD linux server.

dublet@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2023 14:10 collapse

Does GPT4all not allow that? Or do you have specific other models?

aniki@lemm.ee on 07 Dec 2023 14:21 collapse

I haven’t super looked into it but I’m not interested in playing the GPU game against the gamers so if AMD can do a Tesla equivalent with gobs of RAM and no display hardware I’d be all about it.

Right now it’s looking like I’m going to build a server with a pair of K80s off ebay for a hundred bucks which will give me 48GB of RAM to run models in.

dublet@lemmy.world on 07 Dec 2023 14:57 next collapse

Some of the LLMs it ships with are very reasonably sized and still be impressive. I can run them on a laptop with 32GB of RAM.

aniki@lemm.ee on 07 Dec 2023 15:31 collapse

This is very interesting! Thanks for the link. I’ll dig into this when I manage to have some time.

tal@lemmy.today on 07 Dec 2023 19:12 collapse

if AMD can do a Tesla equivalent with gobs of RAM and no display hardware I’d be all about it.

That segment of the market is less price-sensitive than gamers, which is why Nvidia is demanding the prices that they are for it.

An Nvidia H100 will give you 80GB of VRAM, but you’ll pay $30,000 for it.

AMD competing with Nvidia in the sector more-strongly will improve pricing, but I doubt very much that it’s going to make compute cards cheaper than GPUs.

Besides, if you did wind up with compute cards being cheaper, you’d have gamers just rendering frames on compute cards and then using something else to push the image to the screen. I know that Linux can do that with PRIME, and I assume that Windows can as well. That’d cause their attempt to split the market by price to fail. Nah, they’re going to split things up by amount of VRAM on the card, not by whether there’s a video interface on it.

I suspect that a better option is to figure out ways to reasonably split up models to run on lower-VRAM GPUs in parallel.

IndefiniteBen@leminal.space on 07 Dec 2023 12:30 next collapse

Here’s an article about the chips for those uninterested in business crap: servethehome.com/amd-instinct-mi300x-gpu-and-mi30…

misk@sopuli.xyz on 07 Dec 2023 13:40 collapse

Thanks, I usually submit biz related stuff here, hardware related stuff to c/hardware@lemmy.ml. It’s not very active but I haven’t really found a good replacement to r/hardware on Lemmy.

IndefiniteBen@leminal.space on 07 Dec 2023 15:17 collapse

I see.

On another note, the way you linked the sub doesn’t work for me, should be: !hardware@lemmy.ml

EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website on 07 Dec 2023 19:00 collapse

I very much hope this is a success for AMD, because for years I’ve wanted to use their chips for analysis and frankly the software interface is so far behind Nvidia it’s ridiculous, and because of that none of the tools I want to use support it.

Attached is my review of AMD:

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stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 08 Dec 2023 07:04 collapse

If we’re nitpicking about AMD: another thing I dislike about them is their smaller presence in the research space compared to their competitors. Both Intel and NVIDIA throw money into risky new ideas like crazy (NVM, DPUs, GPGPUs, P4, Frame Generation). Meanwhile, AMD seems to only hop in once a specific area is well established to have an existing market.

For consumer stuff, AMD is definitely my go-to. But it occurs to me that we need companies that are willing to fund research in Academia. Even if they don’t have a super good track record of getting profitable results.